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Author Topic: The Fundemental Laws Of Over Unity (group effort)  (Read 16594 times)

Offline hoptoad

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Re: The Fundemental Laws Of Over Unity (group effort)
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2013, 05:41:03 AM »
TK's 3 Laws of OU:

1. All electrical OU devices must use at least one battery.

This has been shown empirically many times, and while it may not exactly be a fundamental "law" of OU, it has never been proven false, in thousands and thousands of experiments, just like the 2LoT.

2. The amount of OU that you get from an electrical OU device is directly related to the number of colored clipleads in the device, and inversely related to the cost of the test equipment used.

Again, this is an empirically-derived "law" so it might not be fundamental, but thousands of examples exist to support it.

3.  A Joule is a Watt, the terms are interchangeable, and "PER" never indicates a division operation.

This is also sometimes known as Ainslie's Law, and proper application of it is sure to produce OU in just about any electrical device you can imagine.

4. Don't forget the inverse law of credibility, whereby the less qualified and less understanding the claimant of OU is/has, the more credible his/her OU claim will be.

5. Also, don't forget to apply the  power factor of 10 to the claimants credibility , IF THEY WRITE ALL THEIR POSTS IN BIG CAPS.

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Re: The Fundemental Laws Of Over Unity (group effort)
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2013, 05:50:21 AM »
so i ever hear if some machine isnt  use any battery is that true

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Re: The Fundemental Laws Of Over Unity (group effort)
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2013, 07:10:45 AM »
I think cavitation may be overunity but would be difficult to prove or use because it is centered around heat. It would be interesting to see a patent/invention that used cavitation as a motor force.  Perhaps the Clem engine did this or Schauberger or the original Keely Motor.
I tried to see the original Keely Motor at the Franklin Institute last year but was informed it was taken off public display.
There was a cavitation device that made instant steam by an old German inventor (Schaefer?) but it was not a motor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjGSXKSLpfY

http://opensourceenergy.net/index.php?topic=10.0

http://www.rexresearch.com/griggs/griggs.htm

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Cavitation_Heaters

http://www.overunity.com/356/hydrosonic-pump

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Re: The Fundemental Laws Of Over Unity (group effort)
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2013, 07:10:45 AM »
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Offline tinman

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Re: The Fundemental Laws Of Over Unity (group effort)
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2013, 02:51:39 PM »
There need not be any law's for an overunity device,because it never has and never will exist.
An overunity device is said to produce more energy than it consume's,and this can never happen-we all know this.
Energy can be niether created nor destroyed,but only transformed from one form to another. So to have an OU device,we would have to throw this law out the window.There are some law's that we believe could be changed,but i think this law will stand. To claim to have an OU device simply means that we dont yet know where the extra energy is comeing from,and it has to come from some where, as it cannot be created. I guess this is where the term ! exotic energy device! would come into play,or a free energy device. Even a self runner would be possable,but it would still require an input power source equal or greater than the output.

I think maybe the first law of OU would be to to remove OU altogether,as it just cant be done.
Rename overunity to something that can actualy be achieved. Saying you have an overunity device is like saying your recharging or desulphating a battery with the backEMF. Although most might understand what you mean,it is still an incorrect term-when you actualy mean the flyback or kickback from an inductor.
So unless some one works out how to create energy, then overunity is just an incorrect term.

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Offline Liberty

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Re: The Fundemental Laws Of Over Unity (group effort)
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2013, 04:33:58 PM »
There need not be any law's for an overunity device,because it never has and never will exist.
An overunity device is said to produce more energy than it consume's,and this can never happen-we all know this.
Energy can be niether created nor destroyed,but only transformed from one form to another. So to have an OU device,we would have to throw this law out the window.There are some law's that we believe could be changed,but i think this law will stand. To claim to have an OU device simply means that we dont yet know where the extra energy is comeing from,and it has to come from some where, as it cannot be created. I guess this is where the term ! exotic energy device! would come into play,or a free energy device. Even a self runner would be possable,but it would still require an input power source equal or greater than the output.

I think maybe the first law of OU would be to to remove OU altogether,as it just cant be done.
Rename overunity to something that can actualy be achieved. Saying you have an overunity device is like saying your recharging or desulphating a battery with the backEMF. Although most might understand what you mean,it is still an incorrect term-when you actualy mean the flyback or kickback from an inductor.
So unless some one works out how to create energy, then overunity is just an incorrect term.

It is not necessary to "create energy".  It is more likely that energy that already exists, but is not used or perceived, known, or understood to be available, could be made to be more available by increasing efficiency.

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Re: The Fundemental Laws Of Over Unity (group effort)
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2013, 04:33:58 PM »
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Offline profitis

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Re: The Fundemental Laws Of Over Unity (group effort)
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2013, 06:47:33 PM »
@tinman.i have never heard bigger crap in my life.why did you forget about the 2nd law of thermodynamics huh?

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Re: The Fundemental Laws Of Over Unity (group effort)
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2013, 04:20:21 PM »
   There used to be a law of conservation of energy.  Einstein invalidated it a long time ago.  Einstein stated that mass and energy are equivalent.  The new law is that there is conservation of mass/energy.  And there always was the conservation of momentum laws that need to be abided to.    This is why I am trying to determine the momentum of a bound electron  compared to the momentum of an unbound electron.   If a bound electron is moving at 1/10  the speed of light with a rest mass of say 1.  Then the mass velocity would be  .1c  Now this same electron somehow is daccelerated to zero c.  It's mass/velocity would be 1.  This is a pretty significant amount of difference.

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Re: The Fundemental Laws Of Over Unity (group effort)
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2013, 04:20:21 PM »
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Offline profitis

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Re: The Fundemental Laws Of Over Unity (group effort)
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2013, 07:01:01 PM »
hey sparks. chek out the present work of nobel winner frank wilczek who is trying to show a particular kind of perpetuum mobilum at the ground state of a crystal using a few singular calcium ions from a perspective of time assymetry. 

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Re: The Fundemental Laws Of Over Unity (group effort)
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2014, 09:25:35 AM »
 
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So maybe we can come up with some fundamental laws to keep each other from wasting our time down a dead end path.


Yes, one guy actually came up...long time ago, but it doesn't help if nobody read and think about it ;-)

“A Departure from known methods – possibility of a “self-acting” engine..."

http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1900-06-00.htm

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Re: The Fundemental Laws Of Over Unity (group effort)
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2014, 09:25:35 AM »
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Offline Newton II

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Re: The Fundemental Laws Of Over Unity (group effort)
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2014, 03:48:34 PM »
Conservation law says that 'energy can neithr be created nor be destroyed'.  Which itself means that energy is perpetual.

For example convert 10 Watts electrical energy completely into photon energy (light energy) using a bulb.  This light energy travels from earth to outer space and after travelling very long distance, it will be tired and gets converted into cosmic dust.  This comic dust in space attract one another and get converted into a star.  After sometimes star catches fire and emits photons.

So, the light emitted by bulb again comes back to earth from star.  Energy is not destroyed hence it is perpetual!!


Offline vineet_kiran

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Re: The Fundemental Laws Of Over Unity (group effort)
« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2014, 01:22:17 AM »

Energy is not destroyed hence it is perpetual!!


This forum is meant  to discuss about perpetual machine and not perpetual energy.   How do you build a perpetual machine using 'perpetual energy'?
 

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Re: The Fundemental Laws Of Over Unity (group effort)
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Offline alan

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Re: The Fundemental Laws Of Over Unity (group effort)
« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2014, 08:29:51 PM »
before defining laws, observations must be made and made repeatable, lets start with a single observation of free energy :P

 

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