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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #45 on: January 23, 2007, 09:55:08 PM »
@saintsnick

i think nobody know an old 108 top hat can transistor

it is an Germanium To36 Transistor like 2N174  30 Amp 100 Watts

Next the circuit is an Design-inventor brain-fault only  !!!
If you follow in your mind the discharge of the ecos , you understand
that they can only discharge to the halb supply voltage (both).
Also the next step : Charging ist also onle
half-full to fully the voltage ... and so on.

So it is nothing happened what the inventor try

So it is shure , if not mystic or physical "scalar" WAVES will be add
so , no FE OU or any succes will follow.
(Only lost?s)

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #46 on: January 26, 2007, 12:35:19 AM »
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I used regular lead acid batteries for my tests. I am designing a sysyem based on this concept but a little different. I actually built a circuit to pass the current back and forth. I would use a full wave rectifier and a dc motor connected to it as my load. I would discharge one set of batteries until the recieving batteries would charge to 13.00 volts then I would switch directions and charge the other ones to 13 volts. I would take voltage samples every five minutes on each battery.  I did this for hours, and discovered that I lost a little over half a percent each cycle. I am not sure if this loss was due to the diodes or that the batteries werent able to capture all of the power. I would refer you back to the Ed Gray articles where he said during one battery popping experiment that 99 percent of the power they just used went back into the battery.

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #47 on: January 26, 2007, 12:41:18 AM »
Pg46

Sorry, I forgot to answer your second question about trying to get the power out of the system. If there is a way to get the power out of the system in the form of electricity I have not discovered it yet. However, think about it; we have re-discovered a source of free mechanical energy. All we have to do is hook that motor to a alternator and then all we have to do is make up that 1 percent loss we get and the rest of the power is free. I am in the process of doing this now but I lack in mechanical skills in building my setup. I have the electrical knowledge. I am trying to connect a golf cart motor to a alternator and extract the power in that fashion but I dont really know how I should build such a mechanical setup.

Chad

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #48 on: January 26, 2007, 08:17:06 AM »
Hi Chad-
 I guess we realy ought to move this over to the "battery systems" section.
Thanks for your reply. I am also recording only small losses in using this system. Quite amazing really!
 As I am not using diodes just now I atribute those losses due to heat. Since I am using small dc motors or lights as loads they will heat up and so I believe the losses occur there. As you say though the losses are quite small in comparison to the energy you get to use for free to run the loads. Therefore I agree with you that we only need to replace those small amounts to obtain a 100% closed system without having any losses at all.
 I rigged up a rapid switching system last week but was recording obvious losses. I am not sure exactly why that happened but I want to now set up a  voltage only controlled switching system which should be nice and slow depending on the battery capacities and the load.
 Since I am often using a small DC motor as a load anyways I was thinking of connecting it to a small dc generator to create power to put back into the batteries again. A dc motor can be used as a generator also although its not very efficient.

Keep up the good work and keep us posted.

Many thanks,
 
 
 

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2007, 09:27:54 AM »
than you must try to light also an lamp,
so that the battery must "work" .
without work the battery charge have an long live
and low lost
and NO overunity.

try it with additional load  (lamp.bulbs)

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #50 on: January 26, 2007, 03:28:06 PM »
pg46

I also tried many months ago to use a rapid switching system to swap the batteries quickly and like you said I saw obvious losses. Through research and studying switch mode power supplies I think I know what the problem was. I was using multiple transistors to switch the batteries from parallel to series. As you may be able to see there is a problem that occurs if both transistors are on at the same time. The current short circuits and energy is wasted for whatever the overlap may be. The overlap could be microseconds but microseconds add up very quickly if you have a fast switching system. Like I said I pretty much have the circuit figured out I just need to figure out how I can mount the motor and generator onto a sturdy platform.

Chad

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #51 on: February 02, 2007, 06:36:38 AM »
Some of you are missing my point.  Look at this first diagram.  I've cut the wires to the load.  Notice, the see-saw circuit is still complete.  There is still a current path from the high side to the low side.  Like this, the series set will charge the parallel set.  There is NO resistance in the circuit. 

(There is a voltage drop as the current passes through the diodes though.  In a more complicated circuit, forward biased transistors can replace the diodes and eliminate the voltage drop.)

My point however, is that there is NO resistive loss between the series set and the parallel set.  With no voltage drop from diodes (if eliminated) AND no resistive loss with wires cut , every single electron will be re-captured by opposing batteries with the same amount of jules per electron.

Remember: 
Joules/Coulomb = volts
Coulmbs/second = Amperes
Joules/second =Watts

Every single ounce of energy (measured in Watts) is recaptured by this system, BUT there is no work being done, Yet.

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #52 on: February 02, 2007, 07:03:46 AM »
Now, add the load, but STOP any loss of any Wattage in the load by eliminating the ability of electrons to flow from the batteries through the load.

How?  By placing series capacitors on the load.

Look at the pic.

Caps don't pass DC because electrons can't get through the dielectric.

AC however passes through, but not the real AC, it's like Faux AC current.  The same electrons are bombarding the dielectric and still cant get through, BUT, the cap charges because of the voltage applied, which in turn causes an equal and opposite charge on the other side of the dielectric, which SUCKS electrons from the motor windings. 

The Opposite cap charges in the opposite polarity at the same time, becuse it is hooked up to the opposite end of the batteries.  The opposite charging cap has, on the other side of IT'S own dielectric, the opposite charge of it's primary side, which is Pushing electrons into the motor windings.

The TWO inner CAP plates respectively push and pull together forcing electrons through the motor windings, without EVER using a single electron from the batteries.

When the caps are done charging, like a fraction of a second later, the current flow through the load STOPS.

A fraction of a second later, when the current stops through the load, YOU reverse the whole SEE-SAW, and the current flow starts again through the batteries AND through the load, but now, in the opposite direction.

We are passing AC through the load.  This MUST be a purely resistive load OR an AC motor, or it will not work.

The Frequency MUST be no slower than the charge time of the caps, or the current will stop.  The bigger the caps, the longer the charge time, and the more time you have before you need to switch the system.

YES, if you use a rectifier right where the load is, you can have a steady DC output for a DC load instead of an AC load.

More importantly, based on average capacitor sizes, you're switching the system FAST to keep the current flowing through the load in an AC fashion. MANY cycles per second, NOT 1 cycle every three hours.

Bigger load motor, bigger caps needed to provide enough "inside" current for the load.

One final kicker.  The potential difference between the outside of the caps while charging on any 1/2 cycle should be no greater than 1/4 the series battery voltage, BECAUSE:

series voltage-parallel voltage= potential difference between battery sides (with NO resistance between them)
ie.  24series-12parallel = 12remaining

divide the remainder by 2, half on the top side, half on the bottom. 

12/2 = 6

SO again, if series voltage = 24Vdc.  Load voltage = 6vac

MUST consider this rule for engineering something that actually works.

If you need higher load voltage, you need 4 times as many batteries.

ie...  if load needs 12 volts,   12x4 =  48Vdc series batteries which is equal to 4 12v batteries on each half of the see-saw.

if load needs 120ac, buy stock in Duracell.  ;o)









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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #53 on: February 02, 2007, 10:06:34 AM »
Hi Saintsnick,

I wonder if this setup with the 4 batteries would work with 4 capacitors of appropiate uF values?  Of course in this case the initial charges should be supplied in advance to the capacitors, then the transfer of charges could take place?
Further, I guess some control circuit would still be needed to take care of possible runaway at the caps etc. But if this circuit works with capacitors instead of batteries, then the output voltage could easily be enhanced to higher values, depending on of course the needed uF value versus the voltage rating limits.

Thanks
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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #54 on: February 05, 2007, 06:58:24 AM »
Yes, caps will work.  Just as i said, and now you said too, you must charge the caps first.  Batteries have acid to provide the inital charge.  Caps can just be charged.

That scalar charger thing uses a cap on one side of the see-saw.  So does that other battery switcher circuit I provided.

Ideally, caps should be better than batteries.  Lighter, quicker to charge and dump, higher voltage capability instead of stacking volumes of batteries.

You just need to charge the caps first.  This also means, if say you had a system shuffeling 240 volts back and fourth, you'd need to initially charge the caps to 960 volts!  DANGEROUS! 

Again, the magic seems to come from the ability to switch potentials (between batts or between caps)  with very little effort.  The only effort is the power consumed by the relay coil or the power consumed by the transistor.  By doing the switching, you are creating possible HUGE potential differences which can do massive work with the right charge behind it, ALL FOR ALMOST NO EFFORT. 

Big Work, Little Effort, smells like OU to me.

I honestly havn't built any of these circuits though.  I DO consider them something I will tinker with, because I believe this is something that can actually work.  Additionally there seems to be good results coming back from like minded fringe experimenters.  There's already some good stuff happening on this board, here.

Similar idea of switching large energys with little energy.  I saw some video on UTube or somewhere, some physicist theorising some principal on a white board.  Magnet, with ferrite ring to conduct magnet lines.  Interupted ring by superconductor&crystal structure, which happens to react to EM energy close to some common laser emmision frequency.  With miliwatts of laser light, he switches on and off the ability of the ferrite ring to conduct magnetism, which is shutting on and off the much larger magnetic power eminating from the magnet.  A coil picks up the difference in the change from total to no conductivity, from none to all magnetic lines of force.  Big work, little effort.   Yeah, the magnet will wear out I guess.  But the principal is the same, Small Effort, Large Change.

 Only human technology can make big changes with little effort.  Relays are old news, but they do exactly that.  Give it a source, like a battery current flowing through the contacts, and you can controll large volumes for little effort. 

With Control of something large, you can cause Large alternations.

With Easy control of something large, you can cause Large Alternations Easily.

Relays or Transistors controling large power, causing large alternations, with little effort.




I really don't know if Newman has anything to do with this.  Newman's motor is based on the similar principals of Edwin Gray's motors, Capturing Back EMF.  Newman uses huge inductances for a huge kick back.  His commutator only serves to cycle the field winding on and off and to direct the back emf, same as Gray.  Nothing to do with sparks causing OU.  ( I think)  Gray however used high voltage spikes to slap the coils.  Quick HV bursts, actually delivering less charge to the coils, yet causing momemtum and a very big back emf.

Gray DID however have a second device, a Spark emition and energy capture device.



Unless Newman had some other device, other than his motor.  Nothing of this on his web page.


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« Reply #55 on: February 05, 2007, 03:05:28 PM »

I really don't know if Newman has anything to do with this.  Newman's motor is based on the similar principals of Edwin Gray's motors, Capturing Back EMF.  Newman uses huge inductances for a huge kick back.  His commutator only serves to cycle the field winding on and off and to direct the back emf, same as Gray.  Nothing to do with sparks causing OU.  ( I think)  Gray however used high voltage spikes to slap the coils.  Quick HV bursts, actually delivering less charge to the coils, yet causing momemtum and a very big back emf.

Gray DID however have a second device, a Spark emition and energy capture device.



Unless Newman had some other device, other than his motor.  Nothing of this on his web page.




In fact, Newman may have a spark device built within comutator. For reference, see the test results and comments at Naudin page:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/NMac0629.htm

I hope this helps, my self I'm still looking for answers and for now, I'm just taking notes on paterns/coincidences. So far, the *spark* looks to be the winner (IMHO). Why and how interacts with vacuum / aether is the big unknown.

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #56 on: February 10, 2007, 07:31:47 PM »
For a better understanding, do you have a picture? switch and coils?
It's a bit confusing to me what secondary belongs to what primary (I understand the diagram is also a spatial representation...?...)
A functional description would help also along with timing diagram. Which coil fires, which coil recicles... I personaly don't understand the switch representation.

Thanks.

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #57 on: February 12, 2007, 01:55:50 PM »
Hi Erfinder,
where are exactly your primary and secondary coils located ?
It does not get clear from your drawing.

It would be good, if you could post some pictures too.

As we are going to have open source energy solutions over here,
all solutions should be published as complete as possible.

The one who can present a working prototype which will
run on its own energy will get many prices and fame.

I am trying to setup my own free energy device prize soon.

Stay tuned.

Regards, Stefan.(admin)

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #58 on: February 13, 2007, 11:01:20 PM »
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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #59 on: February 14, 2007, 02:19:26 PM »
Hi erfinder,

I await your paper. Thank you for all the information you have given us. You have given me hope that Free Energy exists and that the public may one day have this knowledge as a known fact.

Regards,
Omar Rosado


barbosi, pese,
and anyone else interested

Hello,

The 144 inches is based on a 22.5mm inch.  ??? Yeah!!! I know how it sounds.  I in my researching I have learned of a measuring system used by the ancients. This system was brought to my attention by Wayne Thompson.  Information on this system can be obtained by reviewing his website. 

Weights and linear dimensions are interchangeable, this being said anything goes. 

www.themeasuringsystemofthegods.com/index.html

Quote taken from the site:

"The Three Metrics that are most common to Free Energy Devices are
1080/45 = 24 mm inch and the 1080/48=22.5 mm inch and the 1080/42 Metric.
The 25.4 mm Inch has NO scientific value as you are led to believe, it is only to deceive you."


I have not been able to locate where Tesla made the statement about the weights of his primaries and secondary coils, but the following quotes are very important to understanding my diagram and the patents which I suggested.


512,340
Coils for Electro Magnets

?I have found that in every coil there exists a certain relation between its self-induction and capacity that permits a current of a given frequency and potential to pass through it with no other opposition than that of ohmic resistance, or in other words, as if it possessed no self-induction.  This is due to the mutual relations existing between the special character of the current and the self-induction and the capacity of the coil, the latter quality being capable of neutralizing the self-induction for that frequency.  It is well known that the higher the frequency or potential difference of the current the smaller the capacity required to counteract the self-induction;  hence in any coil, however small the capacity, it may be sufficient for the purpose stated if the proper conditions in other respects be secured.?


593,138
Electrical Transformer

?If the rate at which a current traverses the circuit, including the coil, be one hundred and eighty-five thousand miles per second, then a frequency of nine hundred and twenty-five  per second would maintain nine hundred and twenty-five stationary waves in a circuit one hundred and eighty-five thousand miles long, and each wave would be two hundred miles in length.  For such a frequency I should use a secondary fifty miles in length, so that at one terminal the potential would be zero and at the other maximum."




As I am constantly adding to and modifying my understanding it may take some time before my paper is finished; I hope that most who are viewing this can accept that.  I will not be rushed, nor pressured into exceeding my means.  Because it will take me some time I have no problem with answering a few questions I am no scientist, so my answers will not be in line with the mainstream view.  It should be understood that I am not trying to give the answers away, as this would not benefit anyone, including myself, I will however help where ever I can those individuals willing to modify their view, find the answers themselves, as they are here and have been here since the very beginning.  It is my opinion that a majority of what we consider fact is in fact nothing more than theory.  Until electricity, magnetism, gravity, and electrostatics and their relationships to one another are perfectly understood (by observing them in nature) no new technology can nor will come forward. 

Review the diagram, study the patents, and take note of the above quotes.  All of these things combined are more than enough for anyone of any level to build a working device. 



Regards


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