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Offline Grumpy

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #90 on: February 22, 2007, 05:05:50 AM »
You can almost ignor the magnetic field.  There is a field in the center of the ring that wraps around the ring = this is evident when the magnetic field is closed like this.  If a consuctor is placed through the ring and the magnetic field in the ring varies - the field will induce a voltage in the conductor.  Kinda like moving a magnet along a wire.  From the polarity of this voltage - you can deduce the rotation of the current loop that creates the magnet.  This field exist for the solenoids but will be buried in the magnetic field.  I have always refered to this field in the center as the A-Field (aka "magnetic vector potential" in modern physics) and consider it primary to the magnetic field since it can exist when the magnetic field is cancelled.  Erfinder appears to take the opposite view - refering to this field as a second octave of the magnetic field.

I would venture a guess that if I can make a magnetic field rotate electrically, then I can make this center field rotate as well.  With this thought in mind, perhaps Erfinder also has a non-mechanical version.

While searching for the magnets, I'm looking into Vedic math and physics.

127.56"

(By the way, 1/22.5 is .0444444... see the repeat?)

22.4mm/25.4mm = 0.8858 x 144 = 127.56  (You went the wrong way.)


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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #91 on: February 22, 2007, 07:28:01 PM »
Digging out the ol' Walter Russell books...

The "Devine Cosmos":

EDIT:

Are these octaves the same as the three octaves on Walter Russell's periodic chart?  I figure they must be - Tesla refered to the Aether as a "gas" and the 25 "elements" below Hydrogen would be gaseous entities.

The fields that we speak of are composed of these "gases" - whoa! Feel a little dizzy.  Lots of ideas just fellinto place.  Telsa, Keely, Reich's Orgone, etc.

Help me understand this.


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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #92 on: February 23, 2007, 12:18:00 AM »
Harmonic scales (first two):

SVP Harmonic Relationships:



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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #93 on: February 23, 2007, 01:36:04 AM »
First thing I would like to say is that Grumpy, your conversion from 22.5mm to 25.4mm is wrong.  1" = 22.5mm; so if you divided these two by each other you would get 1,

1"/22.5mm = 1

Likewise, the conventional inch is 1" = 25.4mm; if you divide these two together you will get 1
 
1"/25.4mm = 1,

So, to find the conversion factor;

1"/22.5mm = X/25.4mm 

Simple algebra here (I do hope algebra isn't too mainstream),
X = 1in.*25.4mm/22.5mm
X = 1.28888888888888888888888888888888888888

Now, to convert 144" to conventional inches, you multiply it by our conversion factor (144*X) and that equals 162.56". 

Second, Erfinder, I know that a battery is like a capacitor.  The difference is that normal capacitors do not hold as much energy as a battery.  There are things called "super capacitors" which can hold more energy than normal capacitors (I'm not sure if they hold as much as a battery though).  I would like to know what I have posted that is "mainstream".  Do we need to come up with other names to call voltage, current, and magnetic field so that we are not "mainstream"?  My drawings are more of questions.  I'm trying to realize the greatness of this circuit, I draw pictures because a picture is worth a thousand words - and if my thinking is wrong CORRECT IT!  Don't attack me for being "mainstream" and declare my "words limit every aspect of any and everything" - WTF budday... WTF. 

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Charlie_v had you really studied the drawing, you would see that the circuit immediately changes the EMF of the battery to BEMF which goes right back into the battery, and the capacitor.

Isn't that what I said?

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The induced "back EMF" of the secondaries will collapse.  Through induction, the primaries (now disconnected) will recharge the capacitor.  In this case, the permanent magnets do not supply the back EMF, they only produce a force to rotate the wheel (cutting the connection).  The back EMF is produced by the fields in the secondaries collapsing and inducing a voltage into the primaries.

I missed saying battery - it will recharge the capacitor AND battery - there, said it! 

Third, Grumpy, I don't really understand what your talking about when you say, "If a conductor is placed through the ring and the magnetic field in the ring varies - the field will induce a voltage in the conductor."  When you say conductor, do you mean the aluminum axial that the magnets are wrapped around?  Could you draw a picture of what you mean - it would be easier for me to understand.  Is it the secondaries that change the field that you talk of? Sorry, just trying to understand things here.  Thanks!

Last thing to wrap up.  Mainstream science is not 100% completely wrong.  If it was, none of us would be typing on a computer, living in a home with electricity, and reaping the benefits of indoor plumbing.  I do feel that mainstream does limit themselves creatively.  Remember, even Tesla used modern science in his research - if you don't believe me, read any number of his actual works - they sound pretty mainstream to me - just unrestricted!
« Last Edit: February 23, 2007, 11:07:54 AM by Charlie_V »

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #94 on: February 23, 2007, 04:41:31 AM »
Charlie,

At first, I too came up with 162.56", but my interpretation of the meaning of "144 22.5mm inches" would mean that the 144" is "shorter" than 144" since the inch is based on 22.5mm per inch rather than 25.4mm per inch.

22.5mm x 144" = 3240 / 25.4 = 127.56

Just a difference of interpretation...
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What I mean by a conductor is a piece of wire or other conductive object.  Here is a link to a conversation I found about it:
http://www.advancedphysics.org/forum/showthread.php?s=7a03b285c2ec2004f4ec037bfcd9b7c2&t=5907

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #95 on: February 23, 2007, 11:03:39 AM »
DOH! My apologies Grumpy!  Your absolutely right about the dimensions.  22.5mm is going to be shorter so it would be 127.56".  I realized this too late and you had already replied haha.  I had my X in the wrong place. 

Thanks for the picture too.  So, the current traversing the switch, assuming the switch and aluminum axis are not insulated, is what will produce the force on the wheel?  Or would it be the eddy currents generated by the secondaries on the aluminum axial - kinda like putting an aluminum can in the center of an induction motor?

After looking at it, it seems the secondaries are at right angles to the magnetic ring so their flux shouldn't affect it - I think.  I made a magnetic ring like that before a long time ago.  Metal objects wouldn't stick to the magnets because the flux was completely enclosed.  I didn't try to see what other magnets would do if placed on the loop, but they probably would've had no effect. 

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #96 on: February 23, 2007, 02:49:00 PM »
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Last thing to wrap up.  Mainstream science is not 100% completely wrong.  If it was, none of us would be typing on a computer, living in a home with electricity, and reaping the benefits of indoor plumbing.  I do feel that mainstream does limit themselves creatively.  Remember, even Tesla used modern science in his research - if you don't believe me, read any number of his actual works - they sound pretty mainstream to me - just unrestricted!

I think what Erfinder2 was saying is that mainstream sience was deflected about 200 years ago. Of course algebra, geometry, etc. were older than that and it was imposible to simply hide them (or twist them).

An example might be the concept of "octave" which by "convenience" was defined as 2^n of frequency. Which one is the first frequency? We can choose one with no relation to music whatsoever.
Another example I think is "phi". Although was known and used in the history, nowadays has no meaning.
The same with Fibonacci numbers. Next logical step for mainstream sience is to take them out from curiculum, since they appear not to have any pragmatic use and replace them with study of, lets say... Project Management with implications on Stock Market growth.

Also, related to the ring magnet, I guess Erfinder2 wanted to say "circular" instead of radial, when he was sugesting how to build the magnet:
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Grumpy if you can can make the magnets know this, they must be radially magnetized.
Although the magnets are 1/4 of a ring, the magnetic field should close circularly.

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #97 on: February 23, 2007, 03:03:15 PM »
 :)
Glossary    
     
Air Gap    A low permeability gap in the flux path of a magnetic circuit. Often air, but inclusive of other materials such as paint, aluminium, etc.
   

Anisotropic Magnet
   A magnet having a preferred direction of magnetic orientation, so that the magnetic characteristics are optimum in one preferred direction.
   
Closed Circuit    This exists when the flux path external to a permanent magnet is confined within high permeability materials that compose the magnet circuit.
   
Coercive Force
(Hc)   The demagnetizing force, measured in Oersteds, necessary to reduce observed induction, B, to Zero after the magnet has previously been brought to saturation.
   
Curie Temperature
(Tc)   The temperature at which the parallel alignement of elementary magnetic moments completely disappears, and the material is no longer able to hold magnetization.
   
Demagnetization Curve    The second quadrant of the hysteresis loop, generally describing the behavior of magnetic characteristics in actual use, also known as the B-H curve.
   
Eddy Currents    Circulating electrical currents that are induced in electrically conductive elements when exposed to changing magnetic fields, creating an opposing force to the magnetic flux. Eddy currents can be harnessed to perform useful work (such as damping of movement), or may be unwanted consequences of certain designs which should be accounted for or minimized.
   
Ferromagnetic Material    A material whose permeability is very much larger than 1 (from 60 to several thousand times), and which exhibits hysteresis phenomena.
   
Flux (?)    The condition existing in a medium subjected to a magnetizing force. This quantity is characterized by the fact that an electromotive force is induced in a conductor surrounding the flux at any time the flux changes in magnitude. The cgs unit of flux is the maxwell.
   
Fringing Fields    Leakage flux particularly associated with edge effects in a magnetic circuit.
 
   
Gauss   Lines of magnetic flux per square centimeter, cgs unit of flux density, equivalent to lines per square inch in the English system, and webers per square meter or Tesla in the SI system.
   
Hysteresis Loop    A closed curve obtained for a material by plotting corresponding values of magnetic induction, B, (on the abscissa) against magnetizing force, H (on the ordinate).
   
Induction (B)   The magnetic flux per unit area of a section normal to the direction of flux. Measured in Gauss, in the cgs system of units.
   
Intrinsic Coercive force
(Hci)
   Measured in Oersteds in the cgs system, this is a measure of the material's inherent ability to resist demagnetization. It is the demagnetization force corresponding to zero intrinsic induction in the magnetic material after saturation. Practical consequences of high Hci values are seen in greater temperature stability for a given class of material, and greater stability in dynamic operating conditions.
   
Irreversible Loss    Defined as the partial demagnetization of a magnet caused by external fields or other factors. These losses are only recoverable by remagnetization. Magnets can be stabilized to prevent the variation performance caused by irreversible losses.
   
Isotropic magnet    A magnet material whose magnetic properties are the same in any direction.
 
   
Magnetic Field strength
(H)
   A measurement of the magnetic ability to induce a magnetic field at a given point. This is measured in Oersteds.
   
Magnetic Flux    The total magnetic induction over a certain area.
 
   
Magnetizing Force
(H)    The magnetomotive force per unit length at any point in the magnetic circuit. this is measured in Oersteds.
   
Magnetomotive Force
(F)
   The magnetic potential difference between any two points.
   
Maxwell    A unit of magnetic flux. One Maxwell is one line of magnetic flux.
 
   
Oersted, Oe    A unit of magnetic field strength or magnetizing force.
 
   
Orientation Direction    The direction in which an anisotropic magnet should be magnetized in order to optimize the magnetic properties.
   
Saturation    This is a condition where all magnetic moments have become oriented in one direction.
 
   
Stabilization   Exposing a magnet to demagnetizing influences which are expected in the application in order to prevent irreversible loss during the operation of the magnet.

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #98 on: February 23, 2007, 03:50:19 PM »
I don't think this evice should be viewed in terms of eddy currents and induction.

Erfinder is coupling to the other field that I mentioned which is in the center of the ring.  From what little I know, this field has been linked to gravity in several experiments and the results have been published.  This field is not rally seen as a tool yet, just a convenient way of calculating things. It was not even proven to be tabgible until about 50 years ago or so.

Here is a quote from Walter Russell's book "The Secret of Light", pg 260:

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No matter what instrument produces  octave tones, it's frequencies and other dimensions must be in the orderliness demanded by the opening and closing spiral pairs which control those tones by conditioning them.  Likewise, no matter what instrument, wether larynx of man, string of violin, carbon wave field or color spectrum, its sole motivating power for producing change of dimension for the purpose of producing change of tone is electric pressure directed by desire and borrowed from the keynote of the octaves stillness.  Furthermore, all power thus borrowed for one expression in any octave tone must be in balance with the opposite of that tone within which those borrowings have been debited.

This outstanding fact of natural law must be borne in mind in considering those principles as applied to the mechanics of the universal wave which produces the octave wave tones of the elements of matter with such precision that any effect produced by any of them in combination, or separately, will produce that same effect always.

Probably makes little sense - see, it is difficult to correlate Walter Russell's description with modern terminology and understanding.

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #99 on: February 23, 2007, 04:20:47 PM »
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Here is a quote from Walter Russell's book "The Secret of Light", pg 260:

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No matter what instrument produces  octave tones, it's frequencies and other dimensions must be in the orderliness demanded by the opening and closing spiral pairs which control those tones by conditioning them.  Likewise, no matter what instrument, wether larynx of man, string of violin, carbon wave field or color spectrum, its sole motivating power for producing change of dimension for the purpose of producing change of tone is electric pressure directed by desire and borrowed from the keynote of the octaves stillness.  Furthermore, all power thus borrowed for one expression in any octave tone must be in balance with the opposite of that tone within which those borrowings have been debited.

This outstanding fact of natural law must be borne in mind in considering those principles as applied to the mechanics of the universal wave which produces the octave wave tones of the elements of matter with such precision that any effect produced by any of them in combination, or separately, will produce that same effect always.

Probably makes little sense - see, it is difficult to correlate Walter Russell's description with modern terminology and understanding.

Thanks for the first book. It will take a while to mull things over...
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Excelent lecture!


While I hope this book to help understand, do you have the second one you mentioned? You'll never know, after finishing the current book, I might be wiser and capable to make sense with the second one.
I freed my mind alright, so the only think I feel, I'm dumb. But I try!
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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #100 on: February 23, 2007, 05:03:03 PM »
Are the frequency ratios to insure a vortex is created within the center?

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #101 on: February 24, 2007, 12:34:32 AM »
There are a few tests you might be able to do.  Sorry, this might sound too mainstream  :( - but its good to experiment. 

Keep the rotary switch with magnets the same, remove the coils, and pass a current through the switch (aka charge and discharge the capacitor with the switch - which I'm assuming is electrically tied to the axial).  If there are any interactions like that in a homopolar motor, this will cause the axial to spin.

If it doesn't spin, put back the coils, like in the original circuit, and repeat.  If it spins with the coils, then it MIGHT be eddy currents.  To make double sure, replace the aluminum axial with plastic and repeat.  If it does not turn without aluminum, then it is an eddy current interaction.  If it does turn, then the secondaries are interfering with the magnetic ring somehow.

OR, you could just take a measurement of the current with the magnetic ring verses without the magnetic ring.  With the ring , the current should be larger.

I think I see what Erfinder is explaining.  The ring puts a magnetic vector potential (MVP) in the conducting axial that the magnets are wrapped around.  The MVP can produce voltage if it is changing.  We typically think of these magnets as being DC - mainstream science would say this, but Erfinder has proof that they are really AC - with a perceived high frequency oscillation.  The circuit is tuned to an octave of those magnets.  When the capacitor discharges, the magnetic vector potential (I'm calling it this for lack of a better term) will increase the current in the system.  I still think that the axial spins from eddy current interactions - remember aluminum is paramagnetic - but the over all current in the system is increased.  In my mainstream-evil views, the increased current will create a larger magnetic field in the secondaries.  When the secondaries collapse, they will induce a larger voltage into the primaries and recharge the capacitor and battery.  Thus, things will run on unity like Erfinder said.  If I'm right, that would be very, very awesome.  If I'm again wrong, let me at least use some lubrication.

Yea, I'm probably going to get attacked for saying stuff like this.  It's ironic, on conventional science forums I'm attacked for being unconventional.  On these type forums, I'm attacked for being mainstream.  I suppose I'm at a happy medium... or maybe I should just stop posting all together. 

Side Rant:  Ed Leedskalnin thought there were only three things: a north magnetic particle (he called them little magnets), a south magnetic particle, and the neutral matter between.  His research led him to believe there was no electricity - only magtricity.  I have a good friend who rebuilt Ed's motor and has made some amazing discoveries.

Here's his sight, http://www.coralcastlecode.com/index.html

Look at his experiments, they are pretty awesome - and yes his website looks a little cheesy haha.  I wouldn't just throw away magnetic fields just yet, even if there is something to this magnetic vector potential thingy. 
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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #102 on: February 24, 2007, 06:28:00 AM »
Oh by the way.  I have taken apart 30 or more hard drives in my life time - usually to get at their juicy bearings.  All the magnets I've ever pulled out were (according to ResinRat2's diagram) Lateral Parallel Multi-poles (always 2 poles).  They have a curved, crescent moon, shape but are not like a bent bar magnet.  I don't think you could form a closed magnetic path with hard drive magnets.  They make them like this because its easier to shield them in this arrangement.  Here's a little drawing of the HD magnet's poles.

So, if Erfinder used hard drive magnets, either he has really rare hard drives, broke them so that their poles were like bar magnets - placing them in a special arrangement, or his magnetic ring is not as closed loop as he thinks it is.  Not trying to attack you Erfinder, just pointing out how it would be hard to make a closed loop path with regular hard drive magnets.  I've seen all kinds, hard drives from the early 90's up to today.  They all have this pole configuration.  If you did have some odd ball HD magnets, could you clue us in on the brand of hard drive? 

You could take a horse shoe magnet and cut them so that 4 made a closed loop - maybe?

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #103 on: February 24, 2007, 04:22:19 PM »
Last post?

You posted on several other forums and got nothing.  You post here, get a handful of interested people, and then depart?

OK - if that is the card you wish to play then so be it.  What is - is best.

Charlie_V -  This subject is worth persuing even without a guide.  Can you contact your friend that studied Leedskalnin's work?  Perhaps he can lead us to the water where we will either sink or walk on it - or at least point the direction.  I agree that it apears that horseshoe magnet sections would work.   I do not believe that the HD magnets will cancel.  The flux direction is through the face and you will  need end-to-end to cancel in a ring.  If you have four of these, form and ring to verify this assumption.

Barbosi and others - a start would be to read what you can find online about Edward Leedskalnin (built Coral Castle), Walter Russell, and the Tesla patents that Erfinder listed.

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #104 on: February 24, 2007, 06:15:50 PM »
Hello Erfinder,

Thank you for everything you have shared with us. It has been a great experience. Even though you have given us much, I wish you would not depart, but that is not my choice. I guess you must have your reasons for doing so.

I can understand why you may depart, probably because you know that you have given us enough so that we may start to design and eventually develop your device.

Sincerely,
Omar Rosado


Good,

You have found the magnets, now put arrange them as I have suggested.

This will be my last post, people want to think and do what they want and I respect this.  Someone was once asked if there is a solid state device based on what I have attempted to share here, my answer is yes.  You must sincerely study and comprehend, and understand what was given in order that you may understand the solid state, as solid state takes us into the third and fourth octaves.  Our collective understanding of electricity, magnetism, is wrong but I leave this for you all to discover for yourselves.  I have been told that I speak in riddles, this is not my intention, it is next to impossible to share what I have awakened to with people who are not willing to open their minds to newer and better things.  I wish all of you the best, and leave you all with your understandings, and the tip of the iceberg of mine, I leave all of you with an image of true solid state, where only an understanding of natures forces Paramagnetism (EMF), and Diamagnetism (BEMF), coils, and magnets are the only tools required to tap into the unlimited power of the universe.  Soon we will understand and use this untapped power source and will be enabled to fulfil our greatest dreams.  The day we collectively master diamagnetism (BEMF) will with mark the day when humanity finally remembers the techniques with which the pyramids, and other ancient megaliths were constructed, this will also mark the day when we remember how to fly!


Remember the following universal truth


"Positive charge attracts positive charge, and expels negative discharge.  Negative discharge repels both negative discharge and positive charge."

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Positive Charge = Paramagnetism = EMF
Negative Discharge = Diamagnetism = BEMF



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