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barbosi

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #60 on: February 14, 2007, 08:47:31 PM »
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The 144 inches is based on a 22.5mm inch.
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www.themeasuringsystemofthegods.com/index.html

Quote taken from the site:

"The Three Metrics that are most common to Free Energy Devices are
1080/45 = 24 mm inch and the 1080/48=22.5 mm inch and the 1080/42 Metric.
The 25.4 mm Inch has NO scientific value as you are led to believe, it is only to deceive you."
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Any hint why is used 22.5 inch mm and not 24 mm inch? Or may be used also 24 mm inch as well? What might be the noticeable difference?
Sorry I'm trying to grasp the concept...

Best regards.

Charlie_V

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #61 on: February 15, 2007, 04:58:36 AM »
HAHA I know how this works, or atleast what he's trying to do.  I have a similar idea which I attempted but, for lack of equipment, vaulted for a later time.  Here is my explanation of what is happening. 

There are two forms of power, real power (which we use to light our houses) and reactive power.  There are many fancy equations to explain reactive power, but the concept is simple: the voltage and current rise and fall at different times.  In order to have real power, your voltage and current must rise to a maximum and fall to a minimum at the same time, in sync with each other.  If the voltage starts to rise faster or slower than your current, reactive power is generated.  The maximum reactive power you can have is when your voltage reaches a max at the exact same time your current reaches zero.  In essence, your voltage is 90 degrees out of phase with your current. 

How does this apply to over unity?  In order to drive any kind of motor, you must have a coil with an oscillating magnetic field pushing and/or pulling against another magnetic field (the other field being a permanent magnet, energized coil, or eddy current).  It is well known that the larger the current flowing in a coil, the greater the magnetic field produced. 

With real power, you are limited in the amount of current you can generate.  Transformations are possible, however the load required to produce a large current would need to be very big (i.e. small resistance).  In a large coil, small resistance can be hard to achieve.  This is where reactive power becomes much more interesting. 

A standing wave can be produced in a single wire without a closed loop (i.e. ground connection).  The very essence of a standing wave is reactive.  Real power placed in the system is reflected back.  The reflecting waves interfere with the outgoing waves and produce nodes and antinodes.  At each voltage node, there is a current maxima.  At each voltage antinode, the current is zero.  Since power in an electrical circuit is P=V*I, a voltage of zero could yield a current of infinity.  Thus, in a standing wave, the current maximum at each antinode can be extremely high. 

By properly arranging your secondary coils to coincide with a current antinode, you could produce an extremely large magnetic field with only the loss of wire resistance.  Place a magnet on an axial near this coil and you will cause the axial to spin.  The interesting thing is that no real power is being used....  This is a reactively driven motor.  Erfinder's circuit seems to be along these lines - a concept that reeks of over unity!

Whats even more interesting is that you don't need any special design.  ANY electrical motor could be operated reactively - in theory anyway.  The problem is going to be using low frequency oscillations to drive the motors, which will require very very very long lengths of wire.  This doesn't mean the device needs to be large, you can make the self inductance/capacitance big enough so that the wave velocity (speed at which the waves travel) is much slower than the speed of light.  That would make your wire lengths smaller - but not by much. 

If you want to use higher frequencies, bear in mind that a motor has a certain time constant.  You can only switch the magnetic fields so fast before the motor starts to rotate slower and ultimately stops. 

Hope this helped,
Charlie

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #62 on: February 16, 2007, 03:03:01 AM »
So, if you use the formula Tesla wrote (which I might add he did not come up with, it is a common equation for finding wavelengths - it works with sound also) λ (wavelength) = c (velocity)/ f (frequency - in hertz).  If you want a quarter wavelength so that the top of your secondary is a voltage maximum and the bottom is zero, divide λ by 4.  The frequency with a 144 inch wire (at a quarter wavelength) is 20,528,640 Hz (if you assume c = 186624) OR 20,350,000 Hz (assuming c = 185000). 

I'm not sure I follow, but you want your primary to be 22.5mm because this corresponds to the first octave - the first octave of what?  Your circuit has a switch.  When the switch is open, you are charging a capacitor.  Since the battery is DC the coils are not energized.  When you close the switch, the capacitor becomes in series with the first and second primary coils, which seem to be paralleled with the secondary coils.  The secondary coils are in series with each other.  Like you said, the circuit is only on half the time.  I don't see how the primaries and secondaries interact in your schematic, but I'm assuming the capacitor and the primaries make some sort of oscillation which inductively couples to the secondaries.  I guess I'm just an idiot, but I don't get how this is suppose to be equal to unity.

Sorry for my ignorance...


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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #63 on: February 16, 2007, 02:11:24 PM »
@Erfinder,

1 picture could tell more than 1000 words... !

Should I now say I hate you ??? ;D

Regards, Stefan.

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« Reply #64 on: February 16, 2007, 06:00:40 PM »
I think Stefan meant that in a joking way. He doesn't actually mean he HATES you. Please everyone, let's lighten up and calm down. We are all trying to help mankind in some way, let's all be civil and try to take a joke. OK

Peace everyone

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #65 on: February 16, 2007, 06:33:03 PM »
Erfinder,

Hell, I'll build it.

Where is the primary coil located?  The drawing does not indicate how the primary is wound.

Also, is there a ferrous core or just a core form (such as wood or palstic)?

Does closed magnetic loop core rotate?

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #66 on: February 16, 2007, 07:12:56 PM »
Erfinder,

Hell, I'll build it.

Where is the primary coil located?  The drawing does not indicate how the primary is wound.

Also, is there a ferrous core or just a core form (such as wood or palstic)?

Does closed magnetic loop core rotate?


I'll make a wild guess about the primary coil location. See the attached picture.

Also regarding the magnetic ring, I guess it is composed of four segments, each segment having a Postive and Negative side. Each segment forms a ring, but there is a gap  where the segments meet.



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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #67 on: February 16, 2007, 07:25:05 PM »
It seems to me that this device is a motor and generator at the same time. The magnetic ring is placed on a rotor and the rotary switch is placed on the rotor to switch polarity on the primary coil. The secondary coild could capture radiant energy at certain intervals, which is fed to the primary coils. Of course I could be assuming incorrectly...

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #68 on: February 16, 2007, 07:34:51 PM »
I agree witht he primary location - didn't notice them before.

How many positions on the rotary switch?  This looks like a comutator, so it would rotate with the "rotor".

I assume that the closed magnetic ring rotates, or is it fixed and just the comutator rotates?

Any recommendation for the coil windings?  number of windings, wire size, etc.

Would think that core is non-ferrous for this application.  Is this correct?

This arrangement, asuming it works, will jack with the vector potentials and cause a momentum violation - aka lift.

barbosi

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #69 on: February 16, 2007, 10:34:06 PM »
I agree with ResinRat2, I see Stefan made just a joke, knowing there is nothing to make you change your decision.

As you said...
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P.S.

I will not make photos, ever, so hate me or hate me.  I am sorry, but nothing anyone says will change this.  If this is not acceptable then I will leave, this is not a problem, I am here to inspire, not to change the world.  The proof you require is within your grasp.  Study, and build!


... he chose the only option you offered.

Anyway, back to the subject, the only problems I have are:

1. The switch configuration (there are 4 wires going into the switch and I cannot see clearly which one going where to make sense as a timing device)

2. Please give more directions for further lecture concerning vedic measures. There is a major difference berween the terms we use nowadays, compared with those in the far past. An example beside the "inch" concept, there is also this "octave" term. As you know, "octave" is a matter of multiplying a frecquncy (note) by 2.
From your previous example, there is a factor of 3 (like a third harmonic).
I would sugest to adopt a comon language, so all interested in the concept willing to debate on this mater, will be on the same page.
Although I'd prefer you leading this initiation, I cannot abuse your time, so if you please, give us some directions (links, documents, pictures, etc). This way, I believe more people will come in contact with the principles you are trying to put in our sight.

Thanks.

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #70 on: February 16, 2007, 10:57:05 PM »
top two wires to switch.

Bottom two to brush that contacts switch.

switch just switches the coils on and off - just make several poles.  Tesla original motor used AC rather than switch.  coils are series connected, so no need to match comutator to poles.

Looks like when the switch is off, the back emf charges the cap.  Is this correct?

when the switch is on, cap shorted through primary coils.


Battery size?

Wire size? Number of windings?

Core material?

Magnetic ring rotates?

That will do it...

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #71 on: February 16, 2007, 11:24:22 PM »
I think Stefan meant that in a joking way. He doesn't actually mean he HATES you. Please everyone, let's lighten up and calm down. We are all trying to help mankind in some way, let's all be civil and try to take a joke. OK

Peace everyone


@Erfinder,
sorry,  ResinRat is right,
it was just meant as a joke,
sorry, if you did misunderstood it.

Have a nice evening.
Regards, Stefan.

barbosi

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #72 on: February 16, 2007, 11:42:58 PM »
top two wires to switch.

Bottom two to brush that contacts switch.

switch just switches the coils on and off - just make several poles.  Tesla original motor used AC rather than switch.  coils are series connected, so no need to match comutator to poles.

Looks like when the switch is off, the back emf charges the cap.  Is this correct?

when the switch is on, cap shorted through primary coils.

A switch controled by a camshaft and a pair of brush?
Still beats me. Hate me, make fun of me, but I think I was looking to intense to the picture and I might not see the obvious.
If you have time to spare, I would apreciate a drawing.

Battery size?

I think is not as important as obtaining "true unity". I believe this means beside the union with the nature, it might use the power itself generates. For now, is hard to me to anticipate what it would be at the end of the road...
Certainly, it was suggested the spiritual vector in this engineered aproach.

Wire size? Number of windings?

Here is the beauty, it has been sugested that not the number of windings is important, but rather the lenght of the wire of each wind.

Core material?

My best guess is soft iron.

Magnetic ring rotates?

That will do it...


My understanding is that actualy is an electric motor and the magnets are mounted on the shaft.
My question is: how can this magnet-ring could be implemented by a poor man? several short magnets mounted in circle will do it? The number of four (magnets) is critical? in this case we're doomed, 4 bar magnets will not look as a ring...

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« Reply #73 on: February 17, 2007, 12:12:26 AM »
Got it.

Pulling old motor apart to scavenge parts.

I'll have to cheat on the magnets unless I can find horse shoe magnets locally or order them.
If you just need a closed magnetic loop - I'm there.

You are correct that there are two "fields" as you call them - I call them potentials.  One is electrostatic and the other electromagnetic.  The field in line with the axis of the ring is the electromagnetic one.  The electrostatic one is wrapped around the ring.

I believe Tesla mentioned the mass of the primaries and secondaries in his Colorado Springs Notes.  I have a gram scale for this since it is only a few feet.

I suspect this thing will do more than rotate, so I will position axis verticle.

Winding direction same for all coils?  Tesla's patent shows many more coils so can not determine pattern for your version.

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Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #74 on: February 17, 2007, 02:06:18 AM »
I don't know much about HD magnets so I google it.

It's stated at:
http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2005/9/24/152446/359

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The problem with HD magntes is that the have 2 poles per face NS and in the opposite face SN, but when you break it in 2 pieces you get a magnet with one pole per face and the oposite pole in the other face. Thats what I have with my broken HD magnets and I can probe it when they atract or repel with the same or diferentes poles.

It doesn't look exactly the way is sugested. Or maybe this it should be? I thought the magnets should close their magnetic field.
About 10mm thick... this could be hard to find.
Unless several magnets are stacked one in the top of another.
maybe horse shoe magnets are easier to fit for this project.