Storing Cookies (See : http://ec.europa.eu/ipg/basics/legal/cookies/index_en.htm ) help us to bring you our services at overunity.com . If you use this website and our services you declare yourself okay with using cookies .More Infos here:
https://overunity.com/5553/privacy-policy/
If you do not agree with storing cookies, please LEAVE this website now. From the 25th of May 2018, every existing user has to accept the GDPR agreement at first login. If a user is unwilling to accept the GDPR, he should email us and request to erase his account. Many thanks for your understanding

User Menu

Custom Search

Author Topic: Free Solid State/mechanical energy  (Read 468041 times)

boxofsparks

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 23
Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2006, 05:29:06 PM »
Hi Stefan
A newbie but saw a possible help point.
As a kid I had a ball setting up photocells actuated by leds to oscilate a relay. the closer the led to the photocell the faster the cylce time of the relay. One to open turning off the led switches to NC to activate the led and so on so on. Just a thought to not loose the contacts but add a variable rate for switching.
Thanks
I enjoy the forum very much, Thanks you !!

stonrman401

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 26
Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #31 on: December 05, 2006, 02:16:54 AM »
gyulasum

So we have solved energy crisis, now what...

I wonder how many of You are allready made your devices and telling to gass station plant guy that at your home you do everything on electricity and in the same time telling electric company guy that even your TV set is propeled with gass ?
Looking forward to join You.

Igor

So correct me if Im wrong, what you are saying is free energy is right here, that anyone can build it, and create their electric generators if they got these parts tonight?

Please just confirm you guys tested and got this working, is this really it? Could I really take a charge from a battery, do some switching and play with that one charge, multiplying it... forever?

Someone please just say yes.

gyulasun

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4117
Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2006, 09:55:31 AM »
Hi stonrman401,

From my part I can only answer a no to your question. My reply #9 in this thread I gave to Igor is still valid. Please read that thread thorougly.

What text you quoted from earlier post by Igor can be explained by Igor's 'little sarcasm'. You will understand it if you go through the mails written at that time.

And Igor's answer to your question is included in his first sentence in his reply #30.

rgds
Gyula

chadj2

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 45
Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2006, 06:04:29 PM »
Hi guys,

I am happy to see others experimenting with this circuit. I have been messing with this circuit for about a year after I accidently discovered this strange effect while experimenting with my John Bedini motor. I believe this circuit or variations of this circuit was what Ed Gray was using during his multiple demonstrations of is so called "split the positive". I realize that he also used a spark gap but I believe that this was the essence of his secret. What I have discovered with this circuit is that you can not extract power with a transformer connected between the positives. I have done hours of load tests of measureing power in to power out and when I connected a transformer to try to extract the power from between the positives I start losing power. One difference is that I am using Lead Acid Batteries instead of capacitors. The reason I believe you lose power when you use a transformer is because when you extract power from the secondary winding it causes a magnetic equal and opposite reaction on the primary winding so this takes away energy stored in the magnetic field built up by the current flowing through the primary winding. Here is the key though....I have noticed that you can extract mechanical energy like through a DC motor with a loss of less than 1 percent. Go and do research on Ed Gray's motor and look through the old articles which are hosted on some websites. Just imagine how this circuit would "NOT FIT" with what is described by the articles of what he was doing. Have fun experimenting.

Chad

lltfdaniel1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 682
Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2006, 10:10:11 AM »
Right so this 1 cup into a nother cup, is there ways of amplifying that, what about a telsa coil, can that increase the power??

Not telsa telsa coil, that wire that is a coil.

 parallel circuit  :-\ ?

Please excuse my ignorance on electric....

chadj2

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 45
Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2006, 11:30:59 PM »
It looks like Ed gray was able to amplify this effect somewhat by using a spark gap with his so called "Conversion Switching Tube". But you dont really need to amplify this effect so much. Look at one of Ed Grays experiments of running a starter motor for almost 8 days on four batteies. He had a bunch of free mechanical energy so just hook up this free mechanical energy to a generator.

saintsnick

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 51
Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2007, 05:13:47 AM »
This is the same thing I found on Bedini's web pages, except he was using batteries, as someone previously stated.  Somewhere I read this originated from Tesla as an instructional gift to a friend.
The theory should be the same for batteries OR for caps, if previously charged initially. 
Two sources in series charging 2 sources in Parallel, then reversing.  The electrons are basicly shuffled back and fourth, each time, because the series set has a higher potential.  Hi to low.  When the opposite set is in series, they have the higher potential and the current reverses.  The magic seems to come from the fact that the switching source, eiether relays or solid state transistors controll a much larger current that when switched WANTS to flow all by itself of course.  Put the Load in the path of the switching current, and you have work.
This circuit is an enigma BECAUSE:  ideally, the wattage disapated by the load should be a LOSS to the charging set of parallel bats or caps. In other words, loss of watts across load = loss of power charging the lower potential set.  If this is the case, when the sets reverse, there will now be less potential on the now high side to charge the new low side.  The charge on the batts or caps should get lower and lower with each passing cycle, as more and more and more power is lost from the closed system and deposited as work in the load resistance.
BUT.... it doesnt!  This may very well be an over unity circuit.  It is closed from the outside, all energy seems to be recaptured, and reusable, with each passing cycle.
Totally weird.
JLN tested this circuit with very strange results.  He used low power, dry cells I think, 2n2222 transistors, I think, low low wattages, but the theory is the same to scale.   The available power never seemed to get lower over time.

saintsnick

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 51
Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2007, 05:27:52 AM »
Here is one from that Bedini site.  Same thing.  This time simplified.  A battery on one side, two caps on the other.  The transistors take the caps from series to parallel and back.  In Parallel, the caps charge to the battery voltage.   In Series, they dump.  Eiether way, back or fourth, the electrons pass through the load  and are re-captured by the opposite side to be used again.

saintsnick

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 51
Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2007, 05:32:12 AM »
Same circuit, different transistor control.

saintsnick

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 51
Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2007, 06:08:23 AM »
Again, same idea.  But this time one important change.  As the electrons shuffle back and fourth, they are NOT sent through the load here.  The electrons are free to shuffle without resistance directly in and out of the batteries. ( maybe a diode loss)  BUT, as they shuffle, and the potential difference changes from one side to the other, two series load caps pass the alternating potential, and cause an alternating current flow through a  rectifier, which DOES send electricity through a load.  This serves to eliminate the resistive loss between charging / discharging sides.  Instead, power is derived from the varying voltage, AND, without taking a single electron from the whole see-saw circuit above.

One thing to note, the series caps can only be seen on the flow diagram, near the rectifier.  They are considered part of the load here and therefor not visible on the system diagram.  They must be of anough capasitance to pass decent current through the load.

Also, I've modified one diagram to show only a half cycle, easier to understand.  Here you can see the 3 transistors turned on at the same time from the control circuit.  The opposite three are turned on alternatly, to reverse the current flow.

I think this is completely a better idea for a see-saw circuit.  Those series caps are KEY to the prevention of resistive loss.

saintsnick

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 51
Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2007, 06:44:03 AM »

pg46

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 188
Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2007, 08:53:52 PM »
Hi saintsnick-

 Interesting information you've posted. The tesla 4 battery system is very interesting for sure as is the scalar battery charger system. I am interested in experimenting with both systems.
 Have you built either systems and tested them yourself yet?

Best Regards,

chadj2

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 45
Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #42 on: January 18, 2007, 08:57:50 PM »
I built the basic setup. As I stated above I was able to recapture almost all the power that was run through my motor. Loss of less than 1 percent for hours. But, if you set up a transformer as the load and try to take the power out of the system it becomes truly a loss. I learned this though experience. But you can run loads like dc motors or heating elements.

Chad

pg46

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 188
Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2007, 07:48:06 PM »
@chadj2-

 I have recently set up a telsa 4 battery system. I am manually switching every hour or so or whenever the voltage difference between the series set and the parallel set gets down to 11 volts. I notice very little power loss after many hours of running. My load is 12 volt lamps. I am imagining small losses over time unless some of the load was itself a generator to replace the slight power loss. I will try to build an automatic switching system in the near future.
 Regarding the scalar battery charger system, perhaps with using a mechanical switching system one would get constant sparking at the contact points with the caps and maybe then actually 'gain' in voltage over time on account of the "newman effect" This system has less complex switching components and could be more space and cost efficient then the 4 battery system on account of it needing less batteries for the same load.

Best,
 

pg46

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 188
Re: Free Solid State/mechanical energy
« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2007, 07:37:00 PM »
@chadj2-

 Thanks for your information. Even though one must be careful while measuring actual battery storage charges and loads etc. my initial small tests so far with this 4 battery system is looking promising.
 I was wondering at what point in the voltages did you find it best to switch sets of batteries? Did you use regular lead-acid or deep cycle batteries?
 This system obviously is a great energy conserver if nothing else and perhaps even OU or close to it with the addition of a generator and/or a bit of tweeking.
 Can we invert DC into AC without a transformer?

All Info Is Appreciated-

Best Regards,