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Author Topic: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.  (Read 33272 times)

Offline MarkE

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #45 on: September 02, 2014, 02:07:58 AM »
Geez @mark E.he's got the blueprint for the thing,cheapshit ingredients,let him play with it and come show us how its not a perpetuum mobile.should be the easiest thing for the poor soul to do.he's the one barking about the concrete laws of physics not me.
Profitis these are things such as the supposed blueprint are just things that you allege.  If you know of a way to realize the extraordinary result of free energy, then it is up to you to support your claim or see it dismissed.  Extraordinary claims are false on their face.  Only strong evidence can prove them.

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #46 on: September 02, 2014, 02:09:26 AM »
@All

F.E.S. or more commonly known as "Flywheel Energy Storage" is the answer to "free energy".  Combining both "Time" and "Mass" gives us free energy we're just too stupid to demand answers.  E=mc2. It's all in that equation.

FES is being used right now utilising Halbach array's to "spin up" the flywheels to around 150,000RPM. Because our energy is provided to us at 60hz it's very easy to see how to build it to provide "free" energy.
If anyone here understands how a "Distributer cap" works on an old carby V8 engine it isn't a stretch to see how building 60 (or even 120) "Flywheel Energy Storage" devices with the output routed to a "Distributor" that only draws power for 1 second out of every minute then allowing it to build speed back up for the other 59seconds via the "Halbach Array".

Source:
http://beaconpower.com/
http://www.launchpnt.com/portfolio/transportation/electric-vehicle-propulsion/ <<<<<< They did have PDF's outlining how they were drawing large amounts of power for very short times and the Halback array would build speed back up to the stable RPM's prior to drawing any power. I don't have the pdf anymore and they don't have it on their website but if someone could find it, you'd have "Ultimate" proof the power company has built these things.

How we would build something small enough to put in the boot of your car might take a little time and replicating something capable of 30kRPM in your garage is a recipe for disaster.
"Free" energy is available we just need to learn how to build it mechanically instead of confusing ourselves with irrelevant almost meaningless drivel.
I think that you misunderstand that these are low loss energy storage devices.  They are potentially very useful.  Unfortunately Beacon couldn't get their business going and filed for bankruptcy.

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #47 on: September 02, 2014, 02:30:20 AM »
Oh woops (Re: Beacon) I'd researched other power companies and lost the links thanks to a pc meltdown.

I understand they are low loss storage devices though the pdf by Launchpoint clearly outlined how they'd drawn large power in short bursts and their motor had returned to the rpm it was at prior to drawing any power. So to be clear, it was spinning at 25kRPM*, they drew power from it in a short burst for 1 second and it dropped to 17kRPM* and then over the next 59seconds it accelerated back to 25kRPM*. *(Not actual figures, unfortunately I lost the real ones)

Here's a short vid of their early prototype though it isn't nearly as interesting as their PDF they removed from their site...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFGCHlCNhq8

I'm not trying to say one way or another which company can do what though, my actual message is that we're mis-stating and misunderstanding what it is we're trying to achieve. "Free" energy to me is simply energy that is "free" (we don't have to "pay for it) and I believe it will be in terms of the Flywheel.

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #47 on: September 02, 2014, 02:30:20 AM »
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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #48 on: September 02, 2014, 02:38:20 AM »
The only truly closed system is the Universe itself, the Universe is everything so nothing can enter because there is nowhere to
enter from and nothing can escape because there is nowhere else to escape to. The Universe is a closed system and logically
the conservation of energy applies to it.

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You hit that nail square on the head, Farmhand. The problem is that others try to limit the 'system' to an individual item, such as a circuit, without considering that other energy sources may be affecting the 'circuit' besides the original power source. In my book, OU is merely a statement describing the neglect of an unknown energy source that was not calculated properly into the system. If all energy sources are accounted for, then the system is still within the boundaries of unity, and no energy is being either created or destroyed.


Basically, an actual demonstration of OU is a clerical error due to the current level of ignorance of science.

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #49 on: September 02, 2014, 03:20:38 AM »
Lol @mark E. You'd think that 3-5 times power density would lower the bar a bit.lower the bar toward unanimity.

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #49 on: September 02, 2014, 03:20:38 AM »
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Offline profitis

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #50 on: September 02, 2014, 03:37:23 AM »
@pauldude I don't know what book you've got there but its utter crap.energy does not have to be created or destroyed to transend unity barriers,even by wikipedia's definition of perpetual motion (ie.ppms of the 2nd kind)

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #51 on: September 02, 2014, 04:05:50 AM »
Lol @mark E. You'd think that 3-5 times power density would lower the bar a bit.lower the bar toward unanimity.
You keep laughing, but you never seem able to demonstrate the free energy generators that you keep saying are so easy to realize.

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #51 on: September 02, 2014, 04:05:50 AM »
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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #52 on: September 02, 2014, 04:14:58 AM »
Oh woops (Re: Beacon) I'd researched other power companies and lost the links thanks to a pc meltdown.

I understand they are low loss storage devices though the pdf by Launchpoint clearly outlined how they'd drawn large power in short bursts and their motor had returned to the rpm it was at prior to drawing any power. So to be clear, it was spinning at 25kRPM*, they drew power from it in a short burst for 1 second and it dropped to 17kRPM* and then over the next 59seconds it accelerated back to 25kRPM*. *(Not actual figures, unfortunately I lost the real ones)

Here's a short vid of their early prototype though it isn't nearly as interesting as their PDF they removed from their site...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFGCHlCNhq8

I'm not trying to say one way or another which company can do what though, my actual message is that we're mis-stating and misunderstanding what it is we're trying to achieve. "Free" energy to me is simply energy that is "free" (we don't have to "pay for it) and I believe it will be in terms of the Flywheel.


 "Free" energy to me is simply energy that is "free" (we don't have to "pay for it)

                               Gibbs Free energy is not "energia for gratia"

  a.You will have to pay for the FE-system !


b.If you are living off-grid and can not use more than 20% from the FE-machine capacity you will actually find the result -by calculation-that with a 1500 US$/KW installationinvestment the KWh-price for this energy-on-demand system will not greatly differ from the price from your actual electricity provider  !
                                      the problem: KWpik/peak


FE-beginners first job: decreasing the KWp -on-demand, cheap energy storage (water/battery)

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #53 on: September 02, 2014, 04:21:06 AM »
Ok mark E.I like that challenge.let's see what maximum peak demo I can do here with that device.

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #53 on: September 02, 2014, 04:21:06 AM »
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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #54 on: September 02, 2014, 04:35:17 AM »
  Basically, an actual demonstration of OU is a clerical error due to the current level of ignorance of                                                                       science


                                                 clerical error: Haeresie ?

                                     How old are the thermodynamic laws ?


                   And how old is the scientifically defined "radio-active energy" ?
                                       alpha/beta/gamma-.... radiation


                   Is it ,now,not possible to calculate the total in/out-put relation ?


    `                           Who is accusing whom about what ?

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #55 on: September 02, 2014, 04:53:15 AM »
  Basically, an actual demonstration of OU is a clerical error due to the current level of ignorance of                                                                       science


                                                 clerical error: Haeresie ?

                                     How old are the thermodynamic laws ?


                   And how old is the scientifically defined "radio-active energy" ?
                                       alpha/beta/gamma-.... radiation


                   Is it ,now,not possible to calculate the total in/out-put relation ?


    `                           Who is accusing whom about what ?
It is generally agreed that if a black box outputs far more energy than can be accounted for entering and/or stored in the box that the box appears to be OU.  There are some disagreements between people as to whether this behavior would mean that the extra energy would be from some presently unrecognized source, or that a process in the box makes something from nothing.  The latter argument is pointless until such time as we observe a black box that seems to deliver surplus energy.

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #55 on: September 02, 2014, 04:53:15 AM »
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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #56 on: September 02, 2014, 05:01:41 AM »
@mark E if you are judging for overunity it is pointless to even look at a black box unless you know exactly what's inside.it is however not necessary to know what's inside a black box if its going to power your ipod cheaply and for a long time.

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #57 on: September 02, 2014, 05:17:37 AM »
@   lancaIV
I'm referring to the energy such a device would provide. Obviously the device would need to be paid for the same way solar panels need to be purchased.
Based on observations around this forum and humanity in general, I feel we need to evolve pretty quickly if we're to avoid such futures as the one theorised in the classic TV series "Firefly".
I don't really understand the direction this thread and most of others has gone when it comes to discussing ideas around the "Free energy" or "OU" subject.
That statement isn't an attack or an attempt to put anyone down rather just an expression of frustration regarding, what looks to me, an unfortunate case of chest beating. Think gorilla saying hey pay attention to me.

The universe is huge. If we don't hurry up and get out there, another species will claim suitable planets before us and we'll be confined to a resource depleted planet arguing between ourselves.
Anyway, another pointless argument attempting to clarify words said by those who can't even agree on what those words mean even though you're speaking the same language.

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #58 on: September 02, 2014, 05:59:29 AM »
@mark E if you are judging for overunity it is pointless to even look at a black box unless you know exactly what's inside.it is however not necessary to know what's inside a black box if its going to power your ipod cheaply and for a long time.
If we know the mass and dimensions of a black box then we know what the maximum stored energy is using any recognized energy source.

"Cheaply" and "long" are both subjective.

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #59 on: September 02, 2014, 09:15:19 AM »
Woooow reaaallly @mark E so calculate for us the exact potential energy storage in precisely one gram molar nickel hydroxide(Ni(OH)2) coupled to one gram molar MnO2 under air in 1M NaOH then.I got him by the balls now @lanca (-:

 

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