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Author Topic: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.  (Read 33284 times)

Offline forest

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2014, 08:59:46 PM »
"Unknown" energy source can be in balance in normal state.  ;)   
For example ant can ride on elephant  :D without knowing it  ???
C'mon, you have to knwo what I mean , right ? ::)

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2014, 09:22:05 PM »
"Unknown" energy source can be in balance in normal state.  ;)   
For example ant can ride on elephant  :D without knowing it  ???
C'mon, you have to knwo what I mean , right ? ::)

Now, if we can just get the elephant to ride on the ant, THAT would be overunity.

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Offline profitis

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #32 on: September 01, 2014, 09:30:11 PM »
Ant don't need elephant no-more

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
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Offline Farmhand

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #33 on: September 01, 2014, 10:57:32 PM »

Interesting. You are right in that you do not have to know everything about everything to show that something is impossible, you merely have to know everything about one thing, which we do not. That is an argument from incredulity, since you bring in the concepts of formal and informal logical fallacies.


Since we are on that topic now anyway, is it not arrogant to challenge an argument and then end your short dissertation with an argumentum ad hominem?


Here is a 'heads up', so to speak -- You do not have a sole lease or ownership of logical, rational thought. Either agreement or disagreement are both allowed and encouraged. Both positions are often highly subjective states anyway, since in very few cases that I have witnessed have the positions been determined logically, but instead tend to be based upon personal bias and emotional preference.


Me stating something you dislike or disbelieve does not inherently make me arrogant.


Simple fact: The 1st law of thermodynamics (energy is neither created nor destroyed), as a physical law, only applies within the framework within which it was proposed (within a closed system). Application of this law outside of that framework invalidates it's applicability. Many scientist seem to have forgotten that little principle concerning physical laws, in that they are only laws within a very specific situation.


If any system is not closed, then the first law does not apply.


We also do not get the privilege of defining ad hoc what is, or is not, a closed system by definition. The definition does not get to change at a whim, or the law is invalidated. We also do not get the logical privilege of limiting the system to suit our desired outcome.


Any unknown energy source that does exist within any system is already a part of the system being examined. Our lack of knowledge concerning said energy source does not allow us to exempt said energy source from the system -- with either an argument from ignorance or probability. To do such is true arrogance.

The only truly closed system is the Universe itself, the Universe is everything so nothing can enter because there is nowhere to
enter from and nothing can escape because there is nowhere else to escape to. The Universe is a closed system and logically
the conservation of energy applies to it.

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #34 on: September 01, 2014, 11:00:01 PM »
ant is riding on the elephant , is that free energy ?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Yes it is free energy, neither the elephant nor the ant have any money and so there was no fee for the energy the elephant
dissipated, no one paid for it, and it cost nothing to harness. Totally free energy.

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Offline Farmhand

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2014, 11:05:55 PM »
Woooooo @forest I feel sorry for you buddy.here's a challenge for you: prove to the audience that the MnO2-nickel-air profitis battery obeys the 2nd law of thermodynamics please.remember,it has about 3 times karpens original power density..

For a battery to be OU it must output more energy than is stored within all the material the battery is made from.
Proving anything to be OU is the job of the claimant.

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2014, 11:23:22 PM »
@farmhand.proving that the laws of physics are still valid is the job of the disclaimant.you have to show how the cell dies out or how it extracts energy from chemical combustion.you will fail on all counts.your closed universe theory doesn't negate local negentropy phenomena

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
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Offline lancaIV

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2014, 11:46:32 PM »
                                   fisia and physics:


Galaxis A to Galaxis B : B cannibalistic behaviour or copulating ? best worst case discussion
probably a help:
 bioanalytics: fetus/baby in mother body behaviour: cannibalistic !


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poste scriptum I : "cell dies out ": bio-watch ? +/- 40 cell recuperation phases : then midlife-crisis
                                                                              1 cell phase : 9 months   
 
p.s.II : Thank you,"GOD junior"(written: GOD   spoken: IOS or YOS ; phonetic ! ):
  The Universe is a closed system and logically the conservation of energy applies to it.
                                 

But in my "Goetterwelten"(with myriad of GODs) there is the existence of many universums,summa summarum.
                            Das Wort ist heilig         
                            Das LOGOS ist heilig
                            LOGOS~Crisis~Deo Criste                 crisam
                            Der Kreis ist heilig
                                     rise

                            Pi- or Py-tagoras , Pi-or Py-ramid student,Hellenismus ,
                            + Konzil von Nicaae


                           classical Hellenismus: nonplusultra     "FORMAT"
                           modern :                                          In-FORMAT-ik


                                                  procedere,process:

    in dubio ?                         pro reo !                de advocato angelii (gen.) or advocato diabolii(gen.)
       doubt                                  Offen/Bar-Legung 
       duvida Kyrill : b~v               Testimonial
      Zweifel


                          Messias,written      Mahdi,written       spoken ? phonetic laws ?
                                                         Messi,F.C.Barcelona

                                              fatum,Schicksal,Kismet written :
                                    f.e. (K)isme(t) spoken
                                  but not in anglo-saxonical kind :like  'Aesme'  in saxonic phonetics : 'isme'


                                  mater(maé),matrem,matre
                                  mother
                                  Mutter
                                  Madre De IOS        Madre D'IOS      Madre Dios     
                                  Madre DE AEOS      Madre D'AEOS   Madre DAEOS ~Madredeus


                                  Asia translated: Orient  Europe: Okzident

                                                   The O is holy  ::) 
                                                   The A 'l`co-holy ? ;)

                                           Europe: Marien=Madredeus-Kult
http://recognoscere.wordpress.com/2012/06/08/die-bedeutung-und-der-ursprung-der-europaflagge/
                http://fatima.ch/1987/10/maria-und-europa-uber-den-ursprung-der-eu-flagge/


                          Fatima/Ourém :      http://www.holymary.info/howfatimacametobe.html


                                         From   holyfisia,Olymp to holymary


                                                     logos and ratio/racio
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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2014, 11:52:19 PM »
@farmhand.proving that the laws of physics are still valid is the job of the disclaimant.you have to show how the cell dies out or how it extracts energy from chemical combustion.you will fail on all counts.your closed universe theory doesn't negate local negentropy phenomena

Well I'm not trying to prove the Laws of physics are still valid. I am stating logic. And logic agrees with some of the "Laws" of Physics.
You are the one who is claiming the Laws are not valid but do not say which ones. I simply stated the Universe is everything and
it is the only truly closed system. Also that a battery is made from materials that contain stored energy, if the battery is physically
changed by the output of energy then the questions must be asked.

1) How much energy is stored in the materials of the battery ?

2) How much of the battery is being transformed into output ?

3) What is the difference between the two values if 2) is subtracted from 1) ?

4) Is there energy dissipated as waste heat or radiations ?

5) When 4) is added to 3) and 2) does it exceed 1) ?

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Offline MarkE

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2014, 11:56:30 PM »
Profitis, given premise A that is well evidenced and claim A' that contradicts A and is not previously well evidenced, it should be obvious where the burden in any debate of A versus A' lies. 

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2014, 11:56:48 PM »
Interesting. You are right in that you do not have to know everything about everything to show that something is impossible, you merely have to know everything about one thing, which we do not.
Not really.  I can truthfully state there are no integer solutions for 2x = 5 (under ZF) without even knowing everything about math or even just everything about algebra. 
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That is an argument from incredulity, since you bring in the concepts of formal and informal logical fallacies.
Clearly I'm not making an argument based on the completeness of my knowledge.
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Since we are on that topic now anyway, is it not arrogant to challenge an argument and then end your short dissertation with an argumentum ad hominem?
If you're implying that I did that then please provide a formal proof for that.
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Here is a 'heads up', so to speak -- You do not have a sole lease or ownership of logical, rational thought.
Never said I did.   That said you haven't shown me anything that demonstrates you having a very good grasp of those things.

Apologies but I deleted a lot of the stuff you wrote between the above quote and the next since it doesn't appear to have anything to do with what was being discussed.
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Simple fact: The 1st law of thermodynamics (energy is neither created nor destroyed), as a physical law, only applies within the framework within which it was proposed (within a closed system). Application of this law outside of that framework invalidates it's applicability. Many scientist seem to have forgotten that little principle concerning physical laws, in that they are only laws within a very specific situation.

If any system is not closed, then the first law does not apply.

We also do not get the privilege of defining ad hoc what is, or is not, a closed system by definition. The definition does not get to change at a whim, or the law is invalidated. We also do not get the logical privilege of limiting the system to suit our desired outcome.

Any unknown energy source that does exist within any system is already a part of the system being examined. Our lack of knowledge concerning said energy source does not allow us to exempt said energy source from the system -- with either an argument from ignorance or probability. To do such is true arrogance.
If this is supposed to be an argument demonstrating that it is likely that there is some 1st or 2nd law breaking energy source?  If so, it isn't very clear.   Let me know when you can make a better one.

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #41 on: September 02, 2014, 12:08:33 AM »
         If any system is not closed, then the first law does not apply.


        Bingo,the german academic thermodynamic "perpetuum mobile" science treats "closed cycles",
        not about ambiental open,energy absorving,machines .


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Offline profitis

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #42 on: September 02, 2014, 12:43:00 AM »
Geez @mark E.he's got the blueprint for the thing,cheapshit ingredients,let him play with it and come show us how its not a perpetuum mobile.should be the easiest thing for the poor soul to do.he's the one barking about the concrete laws of physics not me.

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #43 on: September 02, 2014, 12:52:33 AM »
@farmhand replace nickel metal with nickel hydroxide and this rules out all possibility of chemical combustion within the thing.

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #44 on: September 02, 2014, 02:00:49 AM »
@All

F.E.S. or more commonly known as "Flywheel Energy Storage" is the answer to "free energy".  Combining both "Time" and "Mass" gives us free energy we're just too stupid to demand answers.  E=mc2. It's all in that equation.

FES is being used right now utilising Halbach array's to "spin up" the flywheels to around 150,000RPM. Because our energy is provided to us at 60hz it's very easy to see how to build it to provide "free" energy.
If anyone here understands how a "Distributer cap" works on an old carby V8 engine it isn't a stretch to see how building 60 (or even 120) "Flywheel Energy Storage" devices with the output routed to a "Distributor" that only draws power for 1 second out of every minute then allowing it to build speed back up for the other 59seconds via the "Halbach Array".

Source:
http://beaconpower.com/
http://www.launchpnt.com/portfolio/transportation/electric-vehicle-propulsion/ <<<<<< They did have PDF's outlining how they were drawing large amounts of power for very short times and the Halback array would build speed back up to the stable RPM's prior to drawing any power. I don't have the pdf anymore and they don't have it on their website but if someone could find it, you'd have "Ultimate" proof the power company has built these things.

How we would build something small enough to put in the boot of your car might take a little time and replicating something capable of 30kRPM in your garage is a recipe for disaster.
"Free" energy is available we just need to learn how to build it mechanically instead of confusing ourselves with irrelevant almost meaningless drivel. 

 

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