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Author Topic: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.  (Read 36101 times)

Offline MarkE

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #60 on: September 02, 2014, 12:23:39 PM »
Woooow reaaallly @mark E so calculate for us the exact potential energy storage in precisely one gram molar nickel hydroxide(Ni(OH)2) coupled to one gram molar MnO2 under air in 1M NaOH then.I got him by the balls now @lanca (-:
Profitis: you would first have to show that for that volume and weight The available energy from those reagents is euqal to or greater than any other known potential energy store of the same mass and volume, which you of course cannot. 

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #61 on: September 02, 2014, 01:26:41 PM »
Heeeeheeee @lanca look at mark E squirm now lol! @Mark E did you pass your high-school electrochemistry grades or not.please calculate the energy density of one gram nickel hydroxide coupled to one gram MnO2 in alkali under air at 25degree c..I'm not going to let you get away with this this time.please consult your standard potential table

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #62 on: September 02, 2014, 03:33:28 PM »
Heeeeheeee @lanca look at mark E squirm now lol! @Mark E did you pass your high-school electrochemistry grades or not.please calculate the energy density of one gram nickel hydroxide coupled to one gram MnO2 in alkali under air at 25degree c..I'm not going to let you get away with this this time.please consult your standard potential table
If you think that configuration is anything close to the maximum energy density by weight or volume that one can pack in a black box, then you have another thing coming.

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #62 on: September 02, 2014, 03:33:28 PM »
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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #63 on: September 02, 2014, 04:28:59 PM »
@mark E all we want from you is the calculated power density from one gram mole Nickel hydroxide coupled to one gram mole MnO2 in alkali under air.can you do this for us please.

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #64 on: September 02, 2014, 07:31:04 PM »
@mark E all we want from you is the calculated power density from one gram mole Nickel hydroxide coupled to one gram mole MnO2 in alkali under air.can you do this for us please.
All I want is a house in Malibu, and I don't even have to pretend I am a we to want that.  If you can establish that chemistry is the mist energy dense known to man then I will sit down and work out the value you seek.

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #64 on: September 02, 2014, 07:31:04 PM »
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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #65 on: September 02, 2014, 07:56:31 PM »
@mark E your own words   was quote 'if we know whats in the black box we can calculate the maximum allowable energy from the thing'.indeed this is the basis of mr farmhands objection too.why are you hesitating to give US a  ballpark figure on the maximum allowable energy contained in a molar nickel hydroxide/MnO2 galvanic couple..we(the overunity crowd) are rather perplexed and stunned 

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #66 on: September 02, 2014, 09:26:07 PM »
@mark E your own words   was quote 'if we know whats in the black box we can calculate the maximum allowable energy from the thing'.indeed this is the basis of mr farmhands objection too.why are you hesitating to give US a  ballpark figure on the maximum allowable energy contained in a molar nickel hydroxide/MnO2 galvanic couple..we(the overunity crowd) are rather perplexed and stunned
LOL, you'll have to try a bit harder if you want your fabricated quotes to be convincing.

Perhaps you are not familiar with the black box concept.    The internals are not exposed to inspection.The whole idea of a black box is that we don't know what is inside, nor do we care.  It's called a "black box" because it is opaque.

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #67 on: September 02, 2014, 10:09:57 PM »
@mark E why are you describing a black box? We know what a black box is thanks.mr farmhand had laid down a very specific criteria for protocol judgement here and we respect it.all we demand from you is a ballpark figure of maximum power outage expected from one molar nickel hydroxide vs one molar MnO2 in alkali under air.we demand it because you demand the aforementioned demanded protocol.therefore we demand what you demand,and that is a ballpark estimate for power outage.please comply or we will be forced to work it out for ourselves

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #68 on: September 02, 2014, 11:09:03 PM »
@mark E why are you describing a black box? We know what a black box is thanks.mr farmhand had laid down a very specific criteria for protocol judgement here and we respect it.all we demand from you is a ballpark figure of maximum power outage expected from one molar nickel hydroxide vs one molar MnO2 in alkali under air.we demand it because you demand the aforementioned demanded protocol.therefore we demand what you demand,and that is a ballpark estimate for power outage.please comply or we will be forced to work it out for ourselves
Do you smoke a lot of marijuana? 

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #68 on: September 02, 2014, 11:09:03 PM »
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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #69 on: September 02, 2014, 11:19:00 PM »
OU is possible.

If you do exactly as I tell you and give me all your money, I will give you OU.

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #70 on: September 02, 2014, 11:34:50 PM »
@mark E no but you want me to organise you some?  An nickel hydroxide/MnO2/air couple is expected to have exactly Zero power outage by standard galvanic protocol. Therefore if we do see anything there we know we have something definitely worth looking into.

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #70 on: September 02, 2014, 11:34:50 PM »
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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #71 on: September 03, 2014, 12:51:18 AM »
                                             profitis,this here is not a battle !


@markE :
                                      an japanese inventor idea:

The present invention is an LED which is characterized by comprising a power generation unit in order to solve the problems described above, including a light emitting section for emitting light using an LED, a power generation panel to the generator receives the light of the light emitting portion configuration of a power generating apparatus utilizing, and characterized by comprising a light emitting unit for emitting light by providing many LED on a substrate, and a power generation unit generating power by receiving the light of the light emitter provided on the power panel on a substrate configuration of a power generating apparatus using an LED for a light emitting section for emitting light provided many LED on the front surface and the rear surface of the substrate is sandwiched from above and below the light emitting portion provided on a power panel on a substrate, receives light emitting portion a light emitting portion of the plurality of emitting light provided many LED on the front surface and the rear surface of the substrate and the configuration of a power generating apparatus using the LED which is characterized in that and a power generation unit of the two sheets for generating power, and the surface of the substrate consists of a power generation unit generating power by receiving the light of the light emitter provided on the power panel on the back, provided with a power supply unit as a power source to the light emitter, and a storage unit for storing the power generated by the generator unit configuration of a power generating apparatus using the LED which is characterized by providing the configuration of the power generating apparatus using the LED which is characterized in that it is using the electric double layer capacitor to the storage unit and the power supply unit, a solar panel to the power unit configuration of a power generating apparatus using the LED which is characterized by using,Configuration of a power generating apparatus using an LED which is characterized in that it used a solar cell power generation unit, a power generation unit including a light emitting unit for emitting light using an LED, a power generation panel to the generator receives the light of the light emitting portion to obtain a configuration of a power generating apparatus using vinegar and LED characterized in that it is housed in the frame of the box-shaped with a door that can be opened and closed a power generating apparatus using an LED made of.

   Question : a. solar cell/panel efficiency -light emission bandwith related ?
                       b. electricity to light L.ight E.mitting D.iode efficiency
                       c. double layer capacitor losts ?

                         This above  light -not black(Miau-Miau)-box concept -
                         under this light source condition :


                         http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/186773-the-polariton-laser-with-250x-lower-power-consumption-could-this-be-the-answer-to-on-chip-optical-interconnects


                        conventional L.A.S.E.R. efficiency X 250= ?


and a kind of Raman Laser http://phys.org/news172497349.html#nRlv
light amplifier /accelerator :
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=7&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931012&CC=US&NR=5252176A&KC=A

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #72 on: September 03, 2014, 02:09:50 AM »
@mark E no but you want me to organise you some?  An nickel hydroxide/MnO2/air couple is expected to have exactly Zero power outage by standard galvanic protocol. Therefore if we do see anything there we know we have something definitely worth looking into.
Your chaotic and confused lines of reasoning suggest game playing or impairment of some kind.  Now you have veered completely away from the discussion topic.

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #73 on: September 03, 2014, 02:24:57 AM »
                                             profitis,this here is not a battle !


@markE :
                                      an japanese inventor idea:

The present invention is an LED which is characterized by comprising a power generation unit in order to solve the problems described above, including a light emitting section for emitting light using an LED, a power generation panel to the generator receives the light of the light emitting portion configuration of a power generating apparatus utilizing, and characterized by comprising a light emitting unit for emitting light by providing many LED on a substrate, and a power generation unit generating power by receiving the light of the light emitter provided on the power panel on a substrate configuration of a power generating apparatus using an LED for a light emitting section for emitting light provided many LED on the front surface and the rear surface of the substrate is sandwiched from above and below the light emitting portion provided on a power panel on a substrate, receives light emitting portion a light emitting portion of the plurality of emitting light provided many LED on the front surface and the rear surface of the substrate and the configuration of a power generating apparatus using the LED which is characterized in that and a power generation unit of the two sheets for generating power, and the surface of the substrate consists of a power generation unit generating power by receiving the light of the light emitter provided on the power panel on the back, provided with a power supply unit as a power source to the light emitter, and a storage unit for storing the power generated by the generator unit configuration of a power generating apparatus using the LED which is characterized by providing the configuration of the power generating apparatus using the LED which is characterized in that it is using the electric double layer capacitor to the storage unit and the power supply unit, a solar panel to the power unit configuration of a power generating apparatus using the LED which is characterized by using,Configuration of a power generating apparatus using an LED which is characterized in that it used a solar cell power generation unit, a power generation unit including a light emitting unit for emitting light using an LED, a power generation panel to the generator receives the light of the light emitting portion to obtain a configuration of a power generating apparatus using vinegar and LED characterized in that it is housed in the frame of the box-shaped with a door that can be opened and closed a power generating apparatus using an LED made of.
That reads like machine translated text.
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   Question : a. solar cell/panel efficiency -light emission bandwith related ?
                       b. electricity to light L.ight E.mitting D.iode efficiency
                       c. double layer capacitor losts ?
The entire description is one of a device that converts and stores energy.  Each of the listed processes are lossy.
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                         This above  light -not black(Miau-Miau)-box concept -
                         under this light source condition :


                         http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/186773-the-polariton-laser-with-250x-lower-power-consumption-could-this-be-the-answer-to-on-chip-optical-interconnects


                        conventional L.A.S.E.R. efficiency X 250= ?
Semiconductor LASER are typically less than 0.1% efficient.  So in the best case this would be about 40% efficient.  It is still a huge breakthrough worth watching for its impact on computing and communications.
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and a kind of Raman Laser http://phys.org/news172497349.html#nRlv
light amplifier /accelerator :
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=7&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931012&CC=US&NR=5252176A&KC=A

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Re: Why overunity MUST be difficult or even impossible to replicate.
« Reply #74 on: September 03, 2014, 04:12:36 AM »
Your chaotic and confused lines of reasoning suggest game playing or impairment of some kind.  Now you have veered completely away from the discussion topic.
They do that you know.

 

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