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### Author Topic: Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM  (Read 59325 times)

#### circle

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##### Re: Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM
« Reply #60 on: April 14, 2013, 01:05:44 AM »

the way people study this matterial is misleading them into overlooking what can be done
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotation_around_a_fixed_axis

these are some of the concept that figure in significantly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Improper_rotation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudovector
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentum

if you know what you are looking for you can see that the discussion is (deliberatly?) being limited to topics that can not result in the outcome that we all seem to have come to this website to either research, prove or reject

#### circle

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##### Re: Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM
« Reply #61 on: April 21, 2013, 01:18:14 AM »
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#### circle

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##### Re: Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM
« Reply #62 on: April 22, 2013, 01:17:36 AM »
its pretty basic once you see what is taking place

for solving the device one of the first elements of data is the fact that people saw the weights
the cylinder shape seems to indicate the orientation of the weight inside the device
and the fact that people saw him try to fit a weight in place when instead the tension on the spring was accidentaly released with a slaping noise and a twanging spring noise

consider the small hole that was left for access and his comments about same when 'detractors' inquired

these clues can be exained in considerable depths

i hate that i have the solution for the bessler wheel and that i have still done nothing with it

it would be one thing if i were stating that i knew how to set something into a balanced motion.. the principal of that might be debatable

but to actually produce useful additional energy the concept has to be solid

as basic as it is, the process still seems to be beyond the conceptual grasps of most people

it has the effect of folding the looping path of the weights over with between .2 and .25 of the weight set in motion left hanging into empty space

#### circle

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##### Re: Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM
« Reply #63 on: April 22, 2013, 01:28:13 AM »
...perhaps i hate even more that no one from amoung the few here are able to tell for themselves the solution to this device

as simple as this knowledge is.. it represents a world very different than the one we find ourselves living in

#### zoelra

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##### Re: Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM
« Reply #64 on: April 22, 2013, 04:11:36 PM »
Circle said
"...perhaps i hate even more that no one from among the few here are able to tell for themselves the solution to this device as simple as this knowledge is.. it represents a world very different than the one we find ourselves living in".

Just because no one here is proclaiming they have a solution is no reason to believe it has not already been found. Also, many here have learned the hard way that having a solution is not having a solution until you have a runner.

Regarding your most recent PM, sorry, I have attempted to grab all of Docs notes, of which there are numerous posts. It has turned out to be a more time consuming process than I thought. It's not a simple copy/paste process. I will keep at it though, if only for my records. Consider joining BW. You can search for all posts under his name. It makes for many hours of enjoyable reading.

#### circle

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##### Re: Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM
« Reply #65 on: April 25, 2013, 05:30:20 AM »
Circle said
"...perhaps i hate even more that no one from among the few here are able to tell for themselves the solution to this device as simple as this knowledge is.. it represents a world very different than the one we find ourselves living in".

Just because no one here is proclaiming they have a solution is no reason to believe it has not already been found. Also, many here have learned the hard way that having a solution is not having a solution until you have a runner.
Regarding your most recent PM, sorry, I have attempted to grab all of Docs notes, of which there are numerous posts. It has turned out to be a more time consuming process than I thought. It's not a simple copy/paste process. I will keep at it though, if only for my records. Consider joining BW. You can search for all posts under his name. It makes for many hours of enjoyable reading.

your use of the indefinite article sums up the matter at hand..
i do not have "a" solution..

i have THE solution
and having had it since 2007 has left me with adequate time to evaluate the issue to the extent that i am confident that their exists only a single method that could have been used given the factual data that remains on record to show the events of the life of johann bessler

those who can not tell the difference between the two can assume or presume themselves to be awash in an ocean of potential solutions to no avial
square peg.. round hole

you have helped make it clear why people are not excited to action by my announcement
additionaly, in quoting me, you omited a space from my statement changing the character of what was said..
acuracy is a significant point
and, for gathering data, observation that does not wash aside all points that are not sought is a must..

by "recent pm" i assume you are refering to the information that you offered to send on feb 18..
not exactly recent
sure.. it sounds interesting
probably should have its own thread
i would be more interested in tangible evidence that there is biological or associative relation between the two inventors, keno and bessler
i am already aware of the claim of the presence of an annotated personal book..

[previously in this thread.. did we seriously see high velocity certrifugal forces considered as possible motive force for besslers device?]

#### zoelra

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##### Re: Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM
« Reply #66 on: April 25, 2013, 04:05:24 PM »
I don't remember seeing any posts about high velocity centrifugal forces but I will have to go back and search.  Eyewitness reports of the Kassel wheel said it would self start once a certain, but slow, rotational speed was attained.  This would indicate that once a minimum speed was reached, the overbalance shifting would begin.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2013, 07:36:32 PM by zoelra »

#### circle

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##### Re: Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM
« Reply #67 on: April 29, 2013, 02:48:37 AM »
I don't remember seeing any posts about high velocity centrifugal forces but I will have to go back and search.  Eyewitness reports of the Kassel wheel said it would self start once a certain, but slow, rotational speed was attained.  This would indicate that once a minimum speed was reached, the overbalance shifting would begin.

if you know what is inside the wheel the reasons for the evidenced effects are clear
the entire design is repeated in reverse inside the kassel wheel
the wheel only needs to be turned to lock four sets of weights and release the other four so that the device will reverse the direction of operation
the reason for doing this was to satisfy his 'detractors' who thought the device was operating on a single stored energy supplied before the demonstrations began
by showing that the device could be reversed that particular arguement was made much more untennable

the single structure made of four sets of two weights is self starting
there is no position in the looping posture of the weights that does not have more or less weight suspended from one side or the other
there is no 'overbalance' shifting.. (as might be seen in the wheel of asa jackson)
the looped path secures that there is no moment when the imbalance is not in effect

i honestly get tired of looking at all the posts by people who start with supposing that certain things that they have assumed, unexamined, 'must' be the case
they persist in assuming themselves correct while i sit here able to show them the truth of the matter

i am good with puzzles

for many persons the most significantly difficult aspect of this particular puzzle is the mental aspect of breaking with the established society
a great segment of those who might be able to solve this stop themselves from success due the the lack of community support
others are drawn to this subject like a moth to flames for exactly the opposite reasons
the psychology of those who persue this matter is a seperate subject worthy of study in its own right

bring me one other person who has had an employed physicist respond to their elaborated insights on the matter with enthusiastic exclamation to the effect that they 'really should do something with' their conceptual design

i, for one, would be very interested to speak with anyone who was honestly able to make such a claim
it appears that i am very nearly alone in this sentiment

#### silent

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##### Re: Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM
« Reply #68 on: January 10, 2020, 04:01:03 AM »
Whatever happened to this circle guy?  I find his posts fascinating and convincing!

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