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Offline circle

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Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM
« on: February 04, 2013, 08:11:10 AM »
Has everyone read this? i wonder how much of his devotion was in fact fear of the chuch?
anyone happen to know how much it cost his benefactor to produce this?

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Re: Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2013, 08:24:32 AM »
i was able to read the latin more easily than the german but i can get most of the meaning from either without running too often to the dictionairies
automated web translator services are comical
there are more reliable sources for word definitions and historical usages

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Re: Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2013, 08:32:48 AM »
for me the main thing to be gathered from this book was that he had no intention of letting his secret out too easily
but just like me he kept thinking he had handed out too much
but it seems that people just take the fragments and use them to confuse themselves with what they think they already know

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Re: Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2013, 08:32:48 AM »
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Re: Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2013, 08:36:32 AM »
anyway..
time for bed
i will put the rest of this book up later

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Re: Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2013, 07:20:38 PM »
The entire DT book (translated into English) is available from John Collins for $5.00 (US).  All you have to do is purchase and download the PDF.  You can also get all of Bessler's other books (also in English).  Well worth the cost.  AP and MT especially.

http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/johncollins


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Re: Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2013, 10:20:09 AM »
yea i know there are people out there trying to make a buck off it
i grabbed it for free off the german acrhives back in nov 07
missing a page though..

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Re: Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2013, 02:34:29 PM »
5 bucks is not too much to ask for an accurate English translation.  My guess is very few people on this forum will be able to read the pages, so if you're not going to translate, then I would say your post will only pi$$ off Overunity for a big waste of their space.

For everyone else that doesn't want to save all the pages, you can do a Google search for DAS TRIUMPHIRENDE and you will find links to online sources. Below is one.

http://books.google.com/books?id=f0yV7mWwQgQC&pg=PA12&lpg=PA1&ots=wQDOQVZbWH&dq=Das+Triumphirende

Of course you will still need to translate ...

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Re: Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2013, 07:25:33 PM »
I case you care to look at just one drawing in this strange book, you will see that it it was driven by a weight. And like a pendulum clock, it would run a very long time untill the weight reaches the ground:

http://books.google.at/books?id=f0yV7mWwQgQC&pg=PA144&dq=Das+Triumphirende&hl=de&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=3

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2013, 08:40:10 PM »
I case you care to look at just one drawing in this strange book, you will see that it it was driven by a weight. And like a pendulum clock, it would run a very long time untill the weight reaches the ground:

http://books.google.at/books?id=f0yV7mWwQgQC&pg=PA144&dq=Das+Triumphirende&hl=de&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=3

Greetings, Conrad

No,  Conrad, that is the weight the machine is able to pull up !
So it is doing real work !

Also at the left side it shows 4 stamping rods that are used as a stamping hammer mill for corn processing.

This is another mechanical output of the wheel.

This picture is a composition of 2 different side and front views !
So the Bessler wheel is shown 2 times from different view angles.

Hope this helps.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2013, 10:36:52 PM »
No,  Conrad, that is the weight the machine is able to pull up !
So it is doing real work !

Also at the left side it shows 4 stamping rods that are used as a stamping hammer mill for corn processing.

This is another mechanical output of the wheel.

This picture is a composition of 2 different side and front views !
So the Bessler wheel is shown 2 times from different view angles.

Hope this helps.

Regards, Stefan.

Well, would have been too easy. Obviously, Bessler was not that blunt.

Sorry, Conrad

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Re: Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2013, 03:07:20 PM »
dont be discouraged conrad..
for about two hours after i first found that image i was under similar impression
my first idea was that there was a discharge of energy from the rope on display to the axle it winds around
i was sitting looking at my attempt to draw out a diagram detailing the function on display when i realized that was not the case
the force driving the motion is inside the wheel and not on display
but five days later i had the solution
i dont think my claim has much appeal to people
but consider the response i mentioned in a seperate post
a physicist told me i 'need to do something with this'..
i do not consider their insight as to what unseen obstacles might exist to be adequate to comprehend why i do not
how does the bessler quote go? when he said 'it makes no difference one ounce this way or that'
it really does not matter
and it can be seen as glaringly obvious when looking at the schematic
 
people are just not doing a through job at defining that which they are looking at
diagram your idea
then
draw a line down through the axle
and
identify what you see
by name i could cite that many ideas and systems that people present could be refered to as 'symetrical'
while any repetitive mechanical structure is going to have that as a characteristic many people somehow imagine that the design ends there; that the working wheel is somehow symetrical and ordered
i will point out that it is systematicly disordered with relation to the two halves
 
and i wonder what bessler was thinking when he wrote 'and still do you not see?'
it is so glaringly obvious once you know, it is litteraly amazing that one can dump so much clue and hint and others fail to gasp
 
that physicist i mentioned this to was led through it step by step
and agreed

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Re: Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM
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Re: Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2013, 06:06:33 PM »

but five days later i had the solution
i dont think my claim has much appeal to people
but consider the response i mentioned in a seperate post
a physicist told me i 'need to do something with this'..
i do not consider their insight as to what unseen obstacles might exist to be adequate to comprehend why i do not
how does the bessler quote go? when he said 'it makes no difference one ounce this way or that'
it really does not matter
and it can be seen as glaringly obvious when looking at the schematic
 
by name i could cite that many ideas and systems that people present could be refered to as 'symetrical'
while any repetitive mechanical structure is going to have that as a characteristic many people somehow imagine that the design ends there; that the working wheel is somehow symmetrical and ordered
i will point out that it is systematicly disordered with relation to the two halves
 
and i wonder what bessler was thinking when he wrote 'and still do you not see?'
it is so glaringly obvious once you know, it is litteraly amazing that one can dump so much clue and hint and others fail to gasp
 
that physicist i mentioned this to was led through it step by step
and agreed

@circle: Well, I still do not see, but I will keep trying. Thank you any way for the hints.

I am referring to the Google Books publication of the book and to the pages you already showed in this thread:
http://books.google.at/books?id=f0yV7mWwQgQC&pg=PA144&dq=Das+Triumphirende&hl=de&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=3

The contents of the book up to page 143 are just polite talk (necessary at the time when addressing a noble person like a duke). The book becomes interesting and technical starting with the drawing at page 144 and the list of components on pages 145 to 148.

Unfortunately I can not see anything after page 148 because Google blanks these pages.

Since you have a copy of the book, could you please tell us what one finds on the remaining pages in case it is just small talk again. But if it is technical, it would be nice if you could first show us these technical pages starting with page 149.

Are there more than one drawing page in the book?

Greetings, Conrad

Observation: The two "Perpendicul 8" (one on each side of the wheel) drive the axle of the wheel ("Hauptwelle 3") by help off the "Leisten 9" and the "Zapffen und Corben 10" (crank). Either the wheel drives the pendulums or the pendulums drive the wheel. In both cases the motion would stop after a while (till friction dampens all initial movement). So, this is just an observation and no solution or explanation of the riddle.

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Re: Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2013, 03:21:19 PM »
Can somebody post a simplified diagram, or a different page view.
 
I am looking & looking, but I cannot see the mechanism that causes the wheel to rotate.
 
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Re: Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2013, 04:15:14 PM »
I would say, these are the only drawings available:

http://www.besslerwheel.com/drawings.html

And since Bessler's time people are speculating what could be inside the big wheel, which offers a lot of space in its interior to hide some stuff.

My take is that the available drawings do not allow a definitive conclusion. Poster "circle" claims to have some insight, but so far he keeps talking in riddles instead of explaining. The pages of the book he published in this thread are of little help. May be he will come back with more concrete information.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Das Triumphirende PERETUUM MOBILE ORFFYREANUM
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2013, 04:34:33 AM »
conrad,
 
the pendelum retards the rate of motion.. governs it.. keeping it within a stable pace
look to the work of george bidell airy for the basis in mathematics
 
fatbird..  there is nothing to see..  "the force driving the motion is inside the wheel and not on display"
 
conrad..
 
you must find the peices of the puzzle and then solve them
it does not suffice to declare that there are not enough peices simply because you have yet to find enough of them

in four days i had all but one of them (actually two if you figure in the second of the two directional latches without which it will not function [this is your requested 'something more concrete'])
at the time i did not know how much yet was missing but i knew that i had sorted what i could not refute to the fullest extent posible within my own ability
on the fourth day i spent at least 5 hours reading an english captains log from the german archives that i had found besslers written work in
it is a habbit of mine to return to a language i am more familar with when i get to the point of burnout when dealing with linguistic immersion
even if only returning to a language that is poorly mastered it is a comfort to return to the familiar
i spent those hours immersed in the captains detailed log.. immersed in the visual descriptive detail of pacific natives, beautiful pristine beachs and the struggle to take from them that which is needed to survive
for those hours the first wheel of bessler was two years off in the furture and on the other side of the world
 
although it has not yet been my intention to offer my insight for free i have not been trying to speak in riddle ..even so you make a good point
the weights change what they are to the wheel as it turns
to make a reference to a riddle that indicates the nature of one aspect of the change;
"when is a door not a door?..
  ..when it is ajar"
its funny how well that riddle fits

 

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