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Offline PARAV

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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2013, 10:40:23 PM »
Hi Yellow,
Check this giegercounter circuit     www.uzzors2k.4hv.org/index.php?page=geigercounter    I believe it utilizes a camera type circuit in it. Have a look -and good luck.
Paul

Hi Yellowsnow2 -
Sorry I forgot to tell you about the nifty little DIY kits you can order from Electronic Goldmine -- "www.goldmine-elec-products.com"--and check out their Geiger counters you can buy assembled and or in kit form --The one you might be interested in, is kit no. -or part no. "G18410".  Uses a 9 volt battery and it puts  out, --I think, about 450 volts for the GM tube--check it out.
Let us know what you think about these units as , I too! am thinking down the same lines as you are on this ----keep up the good work.-Paul

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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2013, 07:39:11 PM »
Thanks for the suggestions for a power source guys.

But I realized I could make a completely adjustable power source from my neon transformer. I am designing it to be adjustable between 500-1200v. Since my tube is crude and only uses air, it will most likely need more voltage than commercial ones. I read an old study into Geiger tubes and the different gases effect the recovery time and voltage needed, mainly.  I used this free circuit design simulator to figure it out http://qucs.sourceforge.net/

I also have most of the stuff needed to try this electron avalanche drive circuit. http://www.google.com/patents/US20110188278  Except for the commutator.

My megohm resistors should be coming in today. And my megohm potentiometer should be 2 or 3 days. This will make an adjustable voltage divider circuit for the neon transformer. 

Here is a DIY ion chamber (low power in, less avalanche action) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfVBW622Vbs

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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2013, 04:07:02 AM »
Hi  all!   

Details on the website              http://tarielkapanadze.ru/science-eng.htm                                       


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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2013, 06:38:33 AM »
So I quickly looked over this kapnadza stuff. If they are using a gas discharge tube and making fancy waves for it, then it seems to be basically the same concept as the patent I link in my last comment.  If that is the case then they are doing it the hard way. Instead of doing all that work to make it solid state, they should just make a commutator like in the patent I linked. The commutator is an adjustment for duration and timing of the current to the spark gap/gas discharge tube to tweak it for best Townsend avalanche action. Then once you find the sweet spot you scope it and reproduce it in solid state.

Im sticking to the Geiger tube testing first.

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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2013, 07:01:44 PM »
Hey,
I think you are into a right path into something.
But what was the purpose of the antenna in Moray's setup? It was quite useless.
The substance which converts cosmic rays into lower frequency energy is a radioactive material.
This is the antenna.

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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2013, 06:45:17 PM »
Hey,
I think you are into a right path into something.
But what was the purpose of the antenna in Moray's setup? It was quite useless.
The substance which converts cosmic rays into lower frequency energy is a radioactive material.
This is the antenna.

That is a good question. In reality no one has seen the patent for Moray. The pictures of tubes and stuff are actually from his health based machine. He talks about a "detector" in his writings. Most ion chambers and Geiger tubes are referred to as detectors. He talks about "Swedish stone" which could refer to radioactive material or a semiconductor material. ...I am more convinced that Moray just made a resonant circuit tuned to an extremely high frequency to tune into the frequency of background radiation. He writes that his machine is faster than the speed of light. Well, to tune into back ground radiation you would need oscillations faster than the "frequency" of light.

Since starting this thread I have concluded that my idea strays from Moray's method.

FYI I have started testing my idea and should have something to post this weekend.

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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2013, 05:50:31 AM »
That is a good question. In reality no one has seen the patent for Moray. The pictures of tubes and stuff are actually from his health based machine. He talks about a "detector" in his writings. Most ion chambers and Geiger tubes are referred to as detectors. He talks about "Swedish stone" which could refer to radioactive material or a semiconductor material. ...I am more convinced that Moray just made a resonant circuit tuned to an extremely high frequency to tune into the frequency of background radiation. He writes that his machine is faster than the speed of light. Well, to tune into back ground radiation you would need oscillations faster than the "frequency" of light.

Since starting this thread I have concluded that my idea strays from Moray's method.

FYI I have started testing my idea and should have something to post this weekend.

To tune to the background radiation the antenna size should be less than the size of the atom according to this article:
http://www.blazelabs.com/f-u-rtg.asp

But in any case, looking forward for your results!

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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2013, 08:28:27 PM »
Ok I did some testing. I was able to get my 6000v neon transformer down to adjustable between 0-900v for a few minutes at a time before my resistors started melting down. I tried 2 different tube designs and couldn't get any results. I also tried the full 6000v rectified. I did some more research and found that I was going about catching the voltage spike all wrong. And my power source seemed to have a 200v reverse current leakage.

So I really need to make a more controllable power supply. I going to try making a voltage multiplier circuit. I'm really heavy on the theoretical and less on the doing part. One thing I can't find info on is how do you choose the capacitors and diodes when making a voltage multiplier?

One question I can't find an answer to is what is the relationship to the voltage? Is it supposed to be right under breakdown voltage, which I am thinking? And will I be able to actually see the voltage output (without a scope) if I route it to my 10kv capacitor?

I found this great video of a home made one that works. The tube is made from a film bottle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIO3DUrB-IY

And I found the circuit design on how to draw the output the correct way from this link (warning PDF) http://www.centronic.co.uk/downloads/Geiger_Tube_theory.pdf To correctly catch the output you put a resistor between the cathode and ground  and positive lead between the resistor and cathode, with negative lead to ground. Like in Figure 12 page 18. I was just using 2 diode to catch any reverse flow. Totally wrong way.

So the experiment continues. I'll post some video when I get some actual results.

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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2013, 01:37:51 AM »
Coupled-cavity TWT The Coupled-cavity TWT uses a slow wave structure of a series of cavities coupled to one another. The resonant cavities are coupled together with a transmission line. The electron beam (shown in figure 9 as red beam) is velocity modulated by an RF input signal at the first resonant cavity. This RF energy (displayed as blue arrow) travels along the cavities and induces RF voltages in each subsequent cavity.
If the spacing of the cavities is correctly adjusted, the voltages at each cavity induced by the modulated beam are in phase and travel along the transmission line to the output, with an additive effect, so that the output power is much greater than the power input.
http://www.radartutorial.eu/08.transmitters/tx13.en.html#charac

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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2013, 04:24:10 AM »
Would be nice to use old dials from the aircraft instruments as a good source of alpha particles.
Perhaps just glue them to the inside of the tube with the varnish.

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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2013, 06:20:45 AM »
Would be nice to use old dials from the aircraft instruments as a good source of alpha particles.
Perhaps just glue them to the inside of the tube with the varnish.

I already have an alpha emitter from a smoke detector. They contain Americium two thirty something. But once things are set up I plan on testing different timings of ionization events by adjusting the amount of alpha emissions. I am starting to think (after tons of research) this will act like a wattage amplifier. Getting more than put in by the energy from the AMERICIUM which lasts ~250 years. It may not be capable of a lot of amplification, and may need several tubes to amplify a 100 watt power source to run a house (best case scenario).

Ok guys...I hope you haven't gave up on me. I dropped close to $100 on getting a good power supply. I bought a variac to adjust the wall AC from 0-150v and I bought a 12 stage voltage multiplier circuit (output half wave DC). This will give me an easy to control output of DC 0-~10KV.  And since it is DC half wave, I can use a transformer to isolate the VM and another transformer to convert the output spikes to lower voltage higher current.

But that means I will need to make 3 transformers from scratch.......One at 1:1 isolation trans...2nd to knock output voltage down to under 1000 volts so I can read the output. I may also try routing it to my 10kv capacitor. and 3rd to convert output down to 115v for usable output.

So any help on understanding how to make high voltage transformer would help. The info i can find isn't helping a whole lot.

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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2013, 12:27:08 PM »
Hi yellowsnow2,

If you really wish to make your own transformers then perhaps this video may be informative enough to you (or maybe too basic?):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6NyTprQCBI

Other possibility is to collect some microwave oven HV transformers from discarded ovens, they have a 1.2 to 1.5kV secondary coil and you could connect some in series to increase output HV voltage.  You can find several web pages on how to dismantle such oven trafos should you wish to rewind them or whatever.  You may find local service shops who repair or collect out of order mw ovens or maybe ask your next door neighbours etc.

Gyula

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« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2013, 06:59:30 PM »
My search for transformer info was a hard one. They all over complicate things and make it really hard to find the amount of turns. They focus way to much on explaining the math on the core and don't explain how the turns are figured.

But I finally found how you do it.  The core size you want is found by watts squared x 0.14= core size in square inches.
Primary turns= (K*E) / A    ....A= core in Sq. inches....K= 6.5 for 60hz and 7.507 for 50hz...E=voltage

And for the secondary ... Take the primary number of turn divided by the primary voltage equals the voltage per turn on the secondary.

This little bit of info took me many many hours to find explained in a way that could be understood.


 

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