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Author Topic: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device  (Read 36547 times)

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Thomas Moray's book "THE SEA OF ENERGY" http://globalfreeenergy.info/2011/11/25/full-text-book-the-sea-of-energy-by-thomas-henry-moray-p1-p18/ Talks about being surrounded by a sea of vibrational energy and also hints that his device was a siphon for this energy.

So thinking in that perspective I made some interesting finds.

From my understanding you can look at the Geiger tube as a transformer that turns ionizing radiation into electricity. It does this using an electron avalanche or Townsend avalanche.

"The tube consists of a chamber filled with a low-pressure (~0.1 atm) inert gas. This contains two electrodes, between which there is a potential difference of several hundred volts. The walls of the tube are either metal or have their inside surface coated with a conductor to form the cathode, while the anode is a wire in the centre of the chamber. When ionizing radiation strikes the tube, some molecules of the fill gas are ionized, either directly by the incident radiation or indirectly by means of secondary electrons produced in the walls of the tube. This creates positively charged ions and electrons, known as ion pairs, in the gas. The strong electric field created by the tube's electrodes accelerates the positive ions towards the cathode and the electrons towards the anode. Close to the anode in the "avalanche region" the electrons gain sufficient energy to ionize additional gas molecules and create a large number of electron avalanches which spread along the anode and effectively throughout the avalanche region. This is the "gas multiplication" effect which gives the tube its key characteristic of being able to produce a significant output pulse from a single ionising event.[4" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geiger%E2%80%93M%C3%BCller_tube

So if you look up ionizing radiation, cosmic rays ARE on the list. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionizing_radiation

And if you look into Thomas Moray's device he had an antenna bringing cosmic rays to his tubes/valves and he also had radio active material IN the tubes/valves.

I think of radio active material as a tuning fork tuned to a very high frequency sucking in and resonating with surrounding energy of the same frequency.  So did Moray put the radio active material inside the tubes creating a resonant circuit tuned to cosmic rays?

Is this a way to siphon the sea of energy that surrounds us?

These are some of the experiments I will be performing in the Captret section http://www.overunity.com/13273/i-will-be-testing-high-voltage-capacitor-self-charge-t-h-moray-style/#.UQbIIGc7LRM

Other relevant links= Townsend discharge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townsend_discharge  Electron avalanche http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_avalanche

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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2013, 07:36:32 PM »
Looking at the available pictures of Moray's tubes, http://www.freeenergyplanet.info/free-energy-devices/images/2370_631_275-thomas-henry-moray-device.jpg I can see this theory really taking shape. You can look at this tube as a self exciting Geiger tube. Where the electrodes on the left are a Geiger tube/dynatron and the stuff on the right shoots x-rays (ionizing radiation) at it. It can be theorized that by running power through a loop like this would gain power from the gas multiplication effect of the Townsend avalanche and maybe the negative resistance characteristics of the dynatron (which doesn't need a heated cathode because the x-ray emitter supplies the electrons). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynatron

The many strange qualities of vacuum tubes fascinate me and seem to have more potential for free energy than conventional electronics.

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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2013, 01:18:49 AM »
Did some more research..

The Townsend avalanche seems to be the same thing as the nuclear chain reaction that powers nuclear power plants..... Except on a smaller scale  (in the ion scale instead of protons and neutrons)....without radiation emissions (that aren't used)......And in a safe way because of the process's self limiting effect "Raether limit" where the gas in the tube becomes so ionized that it becomes conductive and self discharges .. in contrast to the run away nuclear chain reaction that ends up as a bomb.

It acts as a free current amplifier....


So by introducing one elctron or positron it will put out around 1000000000 to 10000000000 electrons.

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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2013, 05:58:23 AM »
Keep up the good work.   It may be there is a lack of responses here as Moray's work has been discussed at length before.   Probably one of the most in depth researchers on his material is Bruce Perreault.   Are you familiar with him or his work?   He has a web site or two (may have changed recently) but try www.nuenergy.org and www.sonomagnetics.com  if you don't already know about them. 

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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2013, 08:05:36 PM »
I have probly been over them links but I will check. Seems like I have read everything available on Moray. Even buying books that aren't available on the net.

Moray talks about his "detector".... I believe when he says detector he is talking about a version of the Geiger tube, which can also be used as an oscillator.

Here is a guy who puts a commercial Geiger tube on an oscilloscope.   400v input from 2 AA batteries to run it. Every ionizing event  creates a negative -4000v spike.  But you have to realize that a commercial tube is designed to completely ground/breakdown/discharge from one event. I will be designing my own to get the best characteristics.

http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~nick/geiger/

I can easily picture building a wide flat Geiger tube to act as a solar/cosmic ray cell.  I believe Tesla's cosmic ray collector using an insulated metal plate on antenna does the same thing without the avalanche amplification.

The charged electrodes are just to suck the electrons to it. As the electrons get closer the stronger (magnetic?) field of the electrode acts as a particle accelerator. Acceleration past a certain speed creates energy for the avalanche effect.
 So I want to do some testing with already accelerated electrons from an electron gun/cathode ray tube, which I understand could work from high voltage static electricity too. And instead of relying on the electrode to suck the particle in, I want to try just shooting the electrons at the electrode plate.

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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2013, 08:12:37 PM »
Thanks for the interesting and relevant links. I haven't made it through all of it yet.

This link you posted settles what this tube of Moray's actually is. It is a dynatron oscillator suped up with x-rays. Compare the Moray patent http://www.freeenergyplanet.info/free-energy-devices/images/2370_631_275-thomas-henry-moray-device.jpg
Compared to dynatron oscillator page 3 figure 1   http://www.ietlabs.com/pdf/GR_Experimenters/1930/GenRad_Experimenter_May_1930.pdf

 So it would seem my theory might be going a different direction than Moray's device.

But closer to the Plasmatron in this link, with it's large reverse flow energy spikes. http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/07.12/plasmatron.html

In a few more days when stuff comes in the mail I will start some testing.

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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2013, 10:27:10 PM »
Thanks for the interesting and relevant links. I haven't made it through all of it yet.

This link you posted settles what this tube of Moray's actually is. It is a dynatron oscillator suped up with x-rays. Compare the Moray patent http://www.freeenergyplanet.info/free-energy-devices/images/2370_631_275-thomas-henry-moray-device.jpg
Compared to dynatron oscillator page 3 figure 1   http://www.ietlabs.com/pdf/GR_Experimenters/1930/GenRad_Experimenter_May_1930.pdf

 So it would seem my theory might be going a different direction than Moray's device.

But closer to the Plasmatron in this link, with it's large reverse flow energy spikes. http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/07.12/plasmatron.html

In a few more days when stuff comes in the mail I will start some testing.

other interesting readings related to plasma Self-Organization
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADP015026
http://epsppd.epfl.ch/Praha/WEB/98ICPP_W/H094PR.PDF
...
http://www.rrp.infim.ro/2008_60_3/43-885-898.pdf

... plasma source of life
http://www.dapla.org/pdf/Lozneanu1.pdf


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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2013, 06:25:28 AM »
Keep up the good work.   It may be there is a lack of responses here as Moray's work has been discussed at length before.   Probably one of the most in depth researchers on his material is Bruce Perreault.   Are you familiar with him or his work?   He has a web site or two (may have changed recently) but try www.nuenergy.org and www.sonomagnetics.com  if you don't already know about them.
Hi,
Very good input.
I did said the same thing on this forum many times.A simple spark discharge is in fact a current multiplier.It is like a nuclear chain reaction, but happening with electrons.A single electron at the beginning, and kA range of current at the end of spark discharge enters the circuit.It is OU in front of our noses.
Regards,
Pix

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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2013, 06:29:30 AM »
Did some more research..

The Townsend avalanche seems to be the same thing as the nuclear chain reaction that powers nuclear power plants..... Except on a smaller scale  (in the ion scale instead of protons and neutrons)....without radiation emissions (that aren't used)......And in a safe way because of the process's self limiting effect "Raether limit" where the gas in the tube becomes so ionized that it becomes conductive and self discharges .. in contrast to the run away nuclear chain reaction that ends up as a bomb.

It acts as a free current amplifier....


So by introducing one elctron or positron it will put out around 1000000000 to 10000000000 electrons.
Hi yellowsnow2,
Sorry to repeat, my reply was directed to you:
>>>Hi,
Very good input.
I did said the same thing on this forum many times.A simple spark discharge is in fact a current multiplier.It is like a nuclear chain reaction, but happening with electrons.A single electron at the beginning, and kA range of current at the end of spark discharge enters the circuit.It is OU in front of our noses.
Regards,
Pix<<<<

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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2013, 06:42:54 AM »
@ yellowsnow2,
Please see : http://www.google.com/patents/US20110188278
and attached.
Regards,
Pix

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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2013, 09:58:58 AM »
other interesting readings related to plasma Self-Organization
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADP015026
http://epsppd.epfl.ch/Praha/WEB/98ICPP_W/H094PR.PDF
...
http://www.rrp.infim.ro/2008_60_3/43-885-898.pdf

... plasma source of life
http://www.dapla.org/pdf/Lozneanu1.pdf



Naudin .. Electrical power from the plasma ?

http://jlnlabs.online.fr/cfr/ape/apenrg.htm

and going back to the Dynatron here some explanation

http://users.tpg.com.au/users/ldbutler/NegativeResistance.htm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_resistance
In early research it was noticed that arc discharge devices and some vacuum tube devices such as the dynatron exhibit negative differential resistance effects.[4]Practical and economic devices only became available with solid state technology. The typical true negative impedance circuit—the negative impedance converter – is due to John G. Linvill (1953)[5] and the popular element with negative differential resistance—the tunnel diode – is due to Leo Esaki (1958).[6]


http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1973/esaki-lecture.pdf

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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2013, 02:37:28 AM »
Well I made a really simple Geiger tube. just a metal tube(cathode) with a copper wire (anode) with 3mm spacing like the commercial units. Mine is enclosed in a pill bottle since my alpha emitter is put inside the bottle. Starting off trying it at regular pressure. Commercial ones run about +1.4psi.

PROBLEM.  I need a 400-500v power source. My camera circuit will only charge it to 220v. Need a new idea for a simple cheap power source.  Or do I need more surface area to hold more charge.

Picture of the inside  http://i.imgur.com/eWeGTqC.jpg

Put together  (little round thing by the needle nose is my alpha emitter from a smoke detector) http://imgur.com/DZhrYL1

This posted by "Pix" is very interesting  http://www.google.com/patents/US20110188278

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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2013, 04:56:59 AM »
Well I made a really simple Geiger tube. just a metal tube(cathode) with a copper wire (anode) with 3mm spacing like the commercial units. Mine is enclosed in a pill bottle since my alpha emitter is put inside the bottle. Starting off trying it at regular pressure. Commercial ones run about +1.4psi.

PROBLEM.  I need a 400-500v power source. My camera circuit will only charge it to 220v. Need a new idea for a simple cheap power source.  Or do I need more surface area to hold more charge.

Picture of the inside  http://i.imgur.com/eWeGTqC.jpg

Put together  (little round thing by the needle nose is my alpha emitter from a smoke detector) http://imgur.com/DZhrYL1

This posted by "Pix" is very interesting  http://www.google.com/patents/US20110188278
Hi Yellow,
Check this giegercounter circuit     www.uzzors2k.4hv.org/index.php?page=geigercounter    I believe it utilizes a camera type circuit in it. Have a look -and good luck.
Paul
 

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Re: converting cosmic rays to electricity comparing to T.H.Moray's device
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2013, 06:55:05 AM »
how much power is available per square meter in cosmic rays at sea level?
how much a hundred miles up in space?
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