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Author Topic: The Primer Fields - Breakthrough in our understanding of magnetism  (Read 70436 times)

Offline Qwert

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Re: The Primer Fields - Breakthrough in our understanding of magnetism
« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2013, 08:33:16 PM »
The colors of the domes on the video are somewhat misleading: they should be painted two colors, just like regular magnet; the inside of the dome should have different color from outside.

It could be from this concept:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyvfDzRLsiU
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Re: The Primer Fields - Breakthrough in our understanding of magnetism
« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2013, 10:04:57 PM »
PF 3 will be released on February 7.

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Re: The Primer Fields - Breakthrough in our understanding of magnetism
« Reply #47 on: February 03, 2013, 11:29:04 PM »
A magnetic dipole are not two particles (North/South), but are more one entity.  Below is an interesting comic posted by Broli in another thread in a topic on magnetic fields.  I modified his original comic by adding an image to box #6. 

According to David LaPointe, "the bowls emit a magnetic field that controls the plasma. The electricity does not make the fields, nor cause the formations therein. The formations are there all along with or without electricity".

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Re: The Primer Fields - Breakthrough in our understanding of magnetism
« Reply #48 on: February 04, 2013, 01:02:16 AM »
PF 3 will be released on February 7.

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Thank you for the update, looking forward to seeing it and eventually the free energy device based on this technology!
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Re: The Primer Fields - Breakthrough in our understanding of magnetism
« Reply #49 on: February 04, 2013, 01:13:04 AM »
Gravityblock:

Based on what I observed in the first clip, it looks like each half-hemisphere (I'll call them bowls) is just a magnet with a funny shape.

It looks to me like he took the two bowls and put them in a magnetizer.  Let's assume that you have a magnetizer that has a horizontal surface that you can place the bowls on.  Let's assume that the magnetizer generates a very strong magnetic field in the vertical direction.

You put the first bowl in the magnetizer and push the button.  The result is a bowl with the top half the north side and the bottom half the south side.   Then you put the second bowl in the magnetizer, but this time the bowl is upside-down.  You push the button and this time you get a bowl with the top half the south side and the bottom half the north side.

So if you were following his colour scheme convention, the reality is that one bowl is top-red bottom-blue and the other bowl is top-blue bottom-red.

When you magnetize the bowls the resultant magnetic lines of flux inside the bowl material will tend to follow the curvature of the shape of the bowl.  This is because during the magnetizing process the magnetic lines of flux will tend to follow the path with the highest permeability.

So the author of the clip is playing with strangely shaped magnets inside a partial vacuum where two high-voltage electrodes are generating plasma.

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Re: The Primer Fields - Breakthrough in our understanding of magnetism
« Reply #50 on: February 04, 2013, 07:21:13 AM »
I looked at the first 30 minutes of the first clip.  It a nutshell the clip is nonsense.  What has puzzled me for clips like this is what is the motivation for making them?  Who is making them and why are they making them?  They appear to be professionally done so someone is paying for them.

Perhaps they were done for all of the cable channels out there that cater to this stuff?  If so, then it's possible that this is just an exercise in investing and hoping for a profit when you try to sell your product to the TV networks at the annual trade shows for television content.  The fact that the material is complete nonsense is irrelevant, it's just another way to make money.

Another possibility is a really wealthy guy is on a "quest" and he really believes this stuff and he pays to have his ideas turned into a very slick professional set of movies to stroke his own ego.

He shows a "north" bowl and a "south" bowl and seemed to be indicating that they are monopoles.  As Gwandau pointed out several times there is no such thing as an all-north or all-south magnet.

In fact, there is no such thing as "north" and "south" parts of a magnetic field.  Those are terms created by scientists to just make it easier to discuss magnets in general.  Some people believe that there is a difference between "north" and "south" when there is none.  Again, "north" and "south" don't even really exist in magnetism.  The narrator in the clip makes a big deal about distinguishing north and south and has his differently coloured bowls.  So my assumption is that the author of this clip does not understand the basics of magnetism.  So the clip ends up being delusions built on top of a big delusion.

I hate these clips because they are "dumbing down" forces.  It's a common theme in science fiction where whole societies are built around artificial constructs that are false and the population is unaware because the false artificial constructs have been around for generations.  That's what this clip ultimately does, it hurts people by feeding them a pack of nonsense and lies.  Assuming that somebody is making money from this clip. they don't care that they are dumbing you down.  All that they want is the money.  Or perhaps like I said it's a rich dummy stroking his ego trying to spread his "dumminess" around to the general population with the false notion in his head that he is "enlightening" people.

This reminds me of the Bedini followers that believe that there is a Bloch wall in the center of a standard bar magnet and that divides the magnet into "north" and "south" halves.  There is no Bloch wall in a bar magnet and there are no "north" and "south" halves.  Likewise Bedini talks about mysterious energy from the vacuum corkscrewing it's way into the bar magnet (or coil) at the non-existent Bloch walls.

It's so bad that Bedini and his followers even talk about a "Bloch wall" at the center of an air coil.  That's completely ridiculous.

I know my comments will be upsetting to some, but you have to see this series of clips for what they really are.

MileHigh

According to David Lapointe, the bowls are not magnetic monopoles.  He has a page showing the parts being casted for this technology.  On that page, he writes, "No you can see from how they interact that they are not monopoles. They are of opposite orientation. They each have a N/S to them but it is reversed. Completed info coming in the video and paper".  He's more than likely using an array of magnets as found in his other patents.  He also says this machine is not for energy, but will blow your mind when you find out what it will do.

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Re: The Primer Fields - Breakthrough in our understanding of magnetism
« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2013, 08:02:02 AM »
@HH and everyone else having watched these two videos,
 
I have to agree they are mesmerizing productions, excellently presented.
 
But no matter how much I want to buy their concept, I fail to understand the logic of using magnets that expresses such an excentric and unnatural magnetic geometry.

The two magnets used in the experiments are shaped into forms that twarts the normally expressed shape of a magnetic field. One of the poles has been given an exterior domination, resulting in a expression of field geometry that gives rise to inteference patterns inside the bell shape, reffered to as "Flip Ring, "Choke Ring" and "Confinement Dome".
 
The fact that these strange interference patterns show similarites to the patterns found in depicted nebulas does not carry enough momentum to survive proper scientific scrutiny as long as the magnetic geometry created is deviating distinctly from naturally created magnetic field geometries. In order to resemble the same field geometry as in the experiment, it seems reasonable that the nebula has to be subjected to the same surrounding bell shaped magnet, which just is not there.
 
Still it is an interesting video and the magnetic field observations made by the Primer Field guys would have been interesting enough without all the many unfounded preconceptions so frivoly deducted from their experiments.
 
But it all comes back to the contorted magnetic field of theirs. They never mention in their videos the reason for using these twisted magnets in relation to natural magnetic phenomena, and that leaves a big question mark.
 

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It's to form a concentration of energy (COE) having a focal point.  The fields are around each particle or COE and each COE has a focal point or singularity.  We should look at the particles as being a concentration of energy. The fields keep the focal points apart and yet hold them together at the same time. So in the air around you is an interlinked matrix of these fields. Sound vibrates the matrix and this vibration of the matrix is how sound is transferred. In space (vacuum) the distance between focal points is too great for the vibration to transfer to the next field so no sound. Nothing to vibrate.

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Re: The Primer Fields - Breakthrough in our understanding of magnetism
« Reply #52 on: February 04, 2013, 08:29:57 AM »
Quote from: David LaPointe
One side of the field won't make you a star. But when two opposite "sexes" get together they give birth to a star.  So simple and incredible. But sometimes a problem in the relationship between the two fields. Or something within the relationship of the field size and magnetic flux density gets too low to contain the amount of energy within the star they gave birth to. When this happens this perfect magnetic confinement breaks down and we have a supernova. I would not properly call it an explosion. I would call it a sudden release of confined energy.

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Re: The Primer Fields - Breakthrough in our understanding of magnetism
« Reply #53 on: February 04, 2013, 10:05:19 AM »



And there it is....

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Re: The Primer Fields - Breakthrough in our understanding of magnetism
« Reply #54 on: February 04, 2013, 11:35:54 AM »
Gravityblock:

Quoting you:

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It's to form a concentration of energy (COE) having a focal point.  The fields are around each particle or COE and each COE has a focal point or singularity.  We should look at the particles as being a concentration of energy. The fields keep the focal points apart and yet hold them together at the same time. So in the air around you is an interlinked matrix of these fields. Sound vibrates the matrix and this vibration of the matrix is how sound is transferred. In space (vacuum) the distance between focal points is too great for the vibration to transfer to the next field so no sound. Nothing to vibrate.

Quite honestly, most of what you are saying above is not credible.

- The bowls may indeed concentrate magnetic flux at the narrow end.  There is no singularity and I have no idea why you would say that.  Perhaps that's what David LaPointe says?

- Focal points apart and together at the same time?  Is this coming from David LaPointe?  Perhaps you can draw a diagram and post it and explain it?

- There is no "interlinked matrix," that's fantasy talk.  If you disagree then please explain what you are saying in more detail.

- Sound "vibrates the matrix?"  One more time, this is just fantasy talk.  Sound is a pressure wave in the air that is 90 degrees out of phase with a velocity wave.  The medium is air molecules bumping into each other and not magnetic fields.  It's standard wave motion and it has nothing to do with magnetic fields.

I am not sure where you got these ideas but if you got them from David LaPointe's presentation it just shows how these types of slickly produced videos that are basically junk can be detrimental to people.

Quoting David LaPointe:

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One side of the field won't make you a star. But when two opposite "sexes" get together they give birth to a star.  So simple and incredible. But sometimes a problem in the relationship between the two fields. Or something within the relationship of the field size and magnetic flux density gets too low to contain the amount of energy within the star they gave birth to. When this happens this perfect magnetic confinement breaks down and we have a supernova. I would not properly call it an explosion. I would call it a sudden release of confined energy

This is just nonsensical fantasy talk.  Do you really and truly think if you play with some bowl-shaped magnets you will produce a "star?"  Do you think that David can quantify some of his statements?

Do you really think he is talking about something real and concrete and measurable when he says, "something within the relationship of the field size and magnetic flux density gets too low to contain the amount of energy within the star they gave birth to?"  What relationship?  What field size?  What flux density?  How low is too low?  How much energy?  What star?  What birth?

Personally I don't think David LaPointe can respond to the questions above and give credible and coherent answers.

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Re: The Primer Fields - Breakthrough in our understanding of magnetism
« Reply #55 on: February 04, 2013, 06:22:31 PM »
On the Facebook page he refers to this as a "Prototype of powered structured ionic field emitter" Guess we'll have to wait to see what its actual function is. Also here is why I can't seem to find the patent applications online. Can't wait for the next video.

"Primer Fields Mary, my patent was just filed with expedited filing status in Sept 2012. It will not be visible to the public until late summer from what my patent attorney tells me. All my actions are timed around that event. I was really surprised to have the USPTO issue such a rapid response to my initial filing, but I did pay the USPTO an extra $2500 to get expedited treatment. Really glad I did now.
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Re: The Primer Fields - Breakthrough in our understanding of magnetism
« Reply #56 on: February 04, 2013, 10:52:13 PM »



May the force fields be with you, David.  Perhaps he and Keshe could....mesh.




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Re: The Primer Fields - Breakthrough in our understanding of magnetism
« Reply #57 on: February 05, 2013, 08:56:55 PM »
Concerning the "how could we make this, this, and this, if we do not understand it" argument concerning magnetism.....


You can manipulate something once you know even the simplest basics of how something works, without even having to know what it is. Lodestones were used to make compasses long before anyone had come up with the notion of "magnetism". People used gravity as a tool long before Newton "discovered" it. Explosives were made in China long before Chemistry was a science. Though science has occasionally aided invention, it is not invention in itself. We can manipulate many things. Manipulation does not imply nor guarantee understanding.


That logical argument is false and always has been.

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Re: The Primer Fields - Breakthrough in our understanding of magnetism
« Reply #58 on: February 05, 2013, 09:20:16 PM »
I am still wondering just what in the poo what we call a "field" really is....


I have heard the various cop-outs... errr... models which tend to fall apart when closely examined. Asking six people to define it generally grants six different though SOMEWHAT similar answers.


Is it a "thing"? Is it a storage space for a "thing"? Is it a warpage of some-"thing"? Is it a warpage of a non-"thing"? Reminds me of the logic of space/time.


No-one can seemingly make up their mind and come up with even a half believable definition. We know it exists. We know it is real. We just don't really know what it even is.

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« Reply #59 on: February 05, 2013, 10:46:08 PM »
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We know it exists. We know it is real. We just don't really know what it even is.

But do we even know what 'real' is?  Is reality an accident, a simulation, a daydream?

Many a scientist once 'knew' that a single human cell was a simple unit of protoplasmic goo that 'evolved' on it's own, via random, blind, mutation....yet look at it today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJyUtbn0O5Y

How real is that....Molecules!  Molecules acting with amazingly complex, intelligent purpose! What guides them to act so harmoniously, each working for the benefit of all, if not Intelligence of High Order?  Each of your trillions of cells is a veritable city. A harmonious, vibrant, Advanced, city.  Complete with self assembling and disassembling highways.  Bipedal molecular 'creatures' walking about on those roads.  Timely trash collectors, gears, cogs, chain drives, sprockets, skyscrapers..... in a word: Wow!

And the Bacterial Flagellar Motor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-j5kKSk_6U   

You heard that right....8 million of these amazingly complex electric motors would fit in the cross section of a human hair!  Each is complete with Stator, Rotor, Magnets, Bushings, Drive Shaft, Universal Joint, Sensors, Switches, and Propeller.  Oh, and they are self replicating.  Man is parsecs from pusillanimously duplicating this accomplishment, even in rudimentary form yet his 'brightest' minds largely attribute it to dumb, deaf and blind, mutation. 

When you get right down to it, whatever 'it' is....the smallest bits that man has been able to 'see' provide at least a handful of clues as to the Origin of our shared reality.  The infamous 'double slit experiment' (youtube) comes to mind.  The very 'rules' of reality seem to change when observed too closely.  (smacks of a kind of holo-deck security protocol?) Man has spent upwards of fifty thousand million dollars in a quest to find the 'God particle' alone!  Even as those particles have been within and without him all along, impressive enough in their macro structures to prove to the vast majority of the planet that I AM truly Is. 

They were much less trying to find the 'higgs boson' than trying to peek and see if we, all of us, and our reality, are 'real' or a simulation. 

Trying to put a pinprick in the veil.....to see what's behind the curtain.

But the signs, signposts, their post holes, the dirt under our feet, are everywhere....and it is written:

"For since the creation of the world, God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse." - Romans 1:20



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