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Title: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: wattsup on December 31, 2012, 10:11:07 PM
@ALL

On this last day of 2012, I would like to thank @hartiberlin (Stefan) for opening this group, and just in time for 2013.

I would like this Understanding OverUnity (OU) group to eventually become a condensed prerequisite for all OUers that are or will be working towards achieving OU. In a way, it seems like a contradiction in terms. We don't have OU yet, so how can you understand something you don't yet have. There in lies the challenge. We know it's there, we know it's possible, we know it has to have certain attributes and we know we must to learn more basics and even learn new perspectives that can break us out of the proverbial mold or mind games any rational human has to cope with in working towards OU.

So......the first thing about Overunity is that there is no such a thing in the strict sense of the word. Nothing comes from nothing. The energy that we are talking about here is the energy that has always been around us, always producing the magnetic fields in our pulsed coils, always coupling through air or cores to a secondary coil, always supplying the motive flux in our motors and even always energizing every single atom in this universe. That all omnipresent energy is what we call ether or aether. I prefer to spell it as "ether", the way Mr. Tesla did just to perpetuate something from a man that gave so much to this planet Earth and hoped that one day we would plug our devices into "his" envisioned wheelwork.

Our limited brains cannot deal with all that ether implies so to simplify matters, we have come up with the Overunity nomenclature because our limited perspective based on visual, textual and academic teachings can only accommodate the classical limitations of what overunity implies to simply be an impossibility. This is the shell we have to break out of to work towards OU. But in reality all we are implying is that ether is already present and being used by man in a less then efficient manner and that there is room to improve the attraction of ether energy to a point where the energy expended to attract ether is less then the ether energy accumulated. We are not inventing energy out of thin air with magic or tricks. We are coaxing this energy to compress harder then it would have.

The ether should be considered to be the most well trained and obedient "element" in the universe. I am calling it an element because we need substance in order to understand our reality. Ether knows exactly how much impress is required on every single object in the universe, from the largest objects to the infinitesimally smallest objects, each has its complimentary level of ether surrounding it and penetrating it. But ether is so perfect that it will only provide what is required for a certain circumstance. It is the greatest measure of our reality because whatever is received is what it needs.

So the only real option any of us have to increase that ether impress above and beyond the level ether would normally impress is to trick it into thinking there is more going on that requires more ether energy then there really is applied. We need to find out what makes ether tick, what makes it pile on, what makes it overly active and what is required to harness this excess.

Some of the notions here will be a new perspective on energy and electricity. I will try to explain this step by step in a logical manner so that all level of OUers will be able to grasp some of these concepts and hopefully start looking at OU research in a new light. These are foundations that we can extrapolate and keep and advance with until and beyond the day of OU.

Why am I doing this. Well, during the past several years I had been noticing that classical EE is not giving us the real answers. Yes classical EE works and it works well to the point where anyone questioning the working methods now seems to be treated as a fool for even trying to rock the boat.

The other factor is that for too many years now the OU community has been sidetracked and all of us have been victims. The main issues are one of intent. We have followed for too long purported OU devices that are still being kept a secret by their so called inventors. We had to deal with SM and his TPUs, but no TPU in sight. We had to deal with TK and no TK device in sight. We have to fight to attain the all elusive ether capturing techniques and we have to fight against the all pervasive advent of all these characters coming onto the OU foray and creating so much irrelevant, time wasting and non-productive conditions for all OU @members.

This has got to stop. We have to grow up. We have to put all these guys back into a curiosity bin where they really belong because none of them are talking so everything we can do is limited to either grasping at straws or finding video discrepancies that either confirm or provide a new theory of effect or that they confirm these guys are just a bunch of fakers looking for some level of perverted fame and ill gained fortune.

The point is these guys have wasted enough of our time, energy and intellect and they need to be put back into the irrelevant box. They are only good to fodder functional theories that range in the thousands, only limited by the very fertile minds of all OUers. While this is a good exercise for the mind, after a while it has a deleterious effect because the mind cannot cope with all the theories and OUers just keep turning around in circles, wondering and wondering endlessly on things that in all probability were never functional. How can an OU community take that chance? There should be no room for chance when it concerns OU research.

The only real way to move forward is one solid step at a time, step by step advancing, checking effects, making variations for comparisons and not relying on anyone or anything but our own god given talents. We all come from ether so we all have this inherent knowledge stored away in our subconscious that needs to be developed in an honest and open manner. There is nothing on this planet more important then to discover and disseminate OU information.

So in this light, this section will have some limitations and as moderator, I will take it on myself to both make sure those limitations are not surpassed so that this section provides present and future OUers with a place they can call home. Home where true OU is discussed and not true OU Secret Holders that waste our time. So here are a few rules for this section.

1) As an example, I will be opening up a new thread that will be locked and then open a second thread using the same thread title and adding the designation of " - Companion Thread" to the second title. Only I will be able to post on the main thread so that information does not get lost in endless pages while the Companion Thread can be used by all @members for discussions that will ultimately lead to changes in the main thread. I am not saying I am always right and welcome corrections and new ideas to include in the main thread, but only I can do those changes.

2) Other @members can open a new thread plus a Companion Thread but the main thread will not be locked. If the @member that has started the main thread wishes to have a post removed, all they have to do is ask me and identify the post number and I will remove that post without any questions or advanced notice to the person who made the post. Time is a limited commodity so expediency will be the normal method.

3) There are absolutely no threads to be started in this section regarding anyone that is not working open source. That automatically cancels out anything about SM or TK or the like. If someone in the world has a device but they do not want to disclose the function, or if they say they will publish it at a future date, then we should not be wasting time with them offering our free time, energy, knowledge and orientation. We have given these guys way to much unwarranted credibility and it is time that the OU community, as a whole, decides that enough is enough.

4) If a new @member wished to make a full disclosure, this section will be the ideal location to do it since I can lock the main thread once the disclosure is done and open a companion thread for discussions. Again, this is to keep the main information in a concentrated format that is easy for other @members to access. Information is useless if it is lost is a limbo of jargonisms.

5) Some OU @members may have to be banned from this section for the greater good of the masses. Anyone saying OU is impossible gets an automatic showing of the exit door. This is an OU site for those who seem to forget. OU is not 1/4 or 1/2 possible. It is possible and that is the vision required to advance in OU research.

6) I want this section to be a safe haven for OU brains to grow and flourish without the constant hammering down and irrelevant postings of other @members. This means that your posts must always be well thought out with no idle chitchat and not simply posting endless diagrams without providing a who, what, where, when and why of the post. Irrelevant threads will be removed so don't go starting a thread if you are not interested in being responsible for its content.

7) Do not prepare a quick text and post it immediately. Always wait a few hours to let the discussion progress further out. You will soon realize that in more instances then you can imagine the post you wanted to put on the thread does not even require to be posted. Never post on a whim.

8) Prepare your posts in a logical progression. Work the post and the ideas it has to convey. Edit and re-edit it. Work out the logic of your post. Consider the countering arguments that others @members may post and see if your position still holds. If it does not, then work your post again. Consider that every post is a new publication of yourself and what you stand for.

9) All other forum rules apply. There is no problem to have lively debates as long as it is respectful.

This is it guys. I had already set-up my own forum a good while ago but have never done anything with it because there are enough forums out there already. I think that overunity.com is the best medium for this section although I do have the utmost respect for the guys at OUR as more of a classical comparative that for me lacks a certain level of childlike innocence required for OU research to be done in an open minded manner. So, here it is and hopefully this section will help other OUers to work not only better and smarter, but, with the true encouragement all OUers require on a daily basis to keep moving forward.

I can only foresee a 2013 full of OU success that will be open sourced with no secrets. So Happy New Years 2013!!!!

Welcome and let's start.

wattsup

PS: I will be posting the first thread in the next two days.
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: vineet_kiran on January 01, 2013, 01:16:24 AM
 
Overunity cannot be achieved unless you eliminate the feed back force (reaction) which tries to slow down the applied force.   In most of the experiments which I have posted in this forum,  I have tried to eleiminate this feedback force. 
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Dave45 on January 01, 2013, 04:06:50 PM
Your not going to achieve ou unless you start understanding and working with both polarity's.


Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: wattsup on January 01, 2013, 06:26:48 PM
@vineet_kiran

You bring up a good point and we will cover this question and also try and identify the terminology when guys talk about effects in their coils. Usually feed back is an intended effect taken via a third coil on a core, so the term you are using may not be the right one, but this confusion happens way to often in OU discussions and it often becomes a source of great discourse, so we will take a look at that in the next threads.

@Dave45

I agree with you. And again, this is another main point to look at. When you look at Tesla patents, you will notice that he rarely makes reference to positive and negative and you could swear some of his devices worked bi-directionally. I am using the word "direction" here very loosely because I really think that DC has no direction. Direction only became a reality once the positive diode was invented and by doing so forced all circuits into a fixed direction. I also think one day someone will invent the negative diode and when that becomes a reality, circuits will be seen in a whole new light. We will have to cover this more in the coming threads.

@all

If you have some other short ideas to add to this thread, concerns, observations, etc., that we can then cover these more deeply in newer threads, please do so.

wattsup

 
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Dave45 on January 01, 2013, 07:54:33 PM
Idea's  ;D
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Bob Smith on January 01, 2013, 09:34:15 PM
Overunity cannot be achieved unless you eliminate the feed back force (reaction) which tries to slow down the applied force. 
One way to do this is with a bifilar secondary, which cancels out its own transverse EM waves, thereby preventing secondary reflection (from secondary to primary), and producing longitudinal (scalar) vectors. In this way, there is no dissipation/losses of energy in primary - i.e., it remains isolated.  If you look at Dave 45's diagram, the secondary is an open bifilar coil, which in theory, should not affect the primary with reflective losses.
 
The only other thing I would add about OU is that a system must remain open, imbalanced, to allow background/vacuum/ambient energy to continuously flow in. Many ways to skin this cat. Perhaps someone else can elaborate.
Respectfully, Bob
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: TinselKoala on January 02, 2013, 12:38:36 AM
The schematic Dave posted is the same basic circuit I have been using for some months now in my wireless power systems and my extreme flyback driver. It is also the same basic circuit as many induction furnaces. I don't see any "open bifilar secondary" in that diagram.

Also, I have to say....... voltage is charge pressure. It arises from the mutual repulsion of like unit charges, and in our normal experience this means electrons, the carriers of the unit negative charge. And current is the time rate of flow of charge past a measuring point. You cannot have a flow of charge -- a current -- unless you have a difference in charge pressure-- a difference in potential, or voltage. I think there are some misconceptions about voltage and current that are pretty common in this forum.

I also take issue with this statement:
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One way to do this is with a bifilar secondary, which cancels out its own transverse EM waves, thereby preventing secondary reflection (from secondary to primary), and producing longitudinal (scalar) vectors.
Do you mean a true Tesla bifilar connection, or a non-inductive hairpin connection? Certainly the Tesla connection does not "cancel its own transverse EM waves." The increased inter-turn capacitance of a true Tesla connection means that the coil's inductive and capacitive reactances can cancel without needing an external capacitor, if properly constructed, thus reducing its total impedance when compared to an ordinary coil of the same turns and length of wire, and allowing a given power source to produce a changing EM field -- transverse EM waves -- more efficiently. A Tesla bifilar connection does this not by lowering inductance as some people seem to believe, but by raising capacitance. The Tesla bifilar coil will still have plenty of inductance, in contrast to the hairpin connection which reduces inductance to nearly zero.

OK.... I realize I've probably violated a bunch of wattsup's rules by now, so I'll stop. But I like my drawing version of the Royer self-resonant zero-voltage-switching oscillator better than Dave's.   ;)
 
Carry on..... and I promise to stay quiet..... as long as I don't see too much outrageous stuff that I've already shown to be erroneous in my videos !!
 :-X
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Magluvin on January 02, 2013, 02:03:38 AM
Idea's  ;D

Hey Dave

If so, would we be able to 'read' a difference in current between the red and yellow output lines?

Mags
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Dave45 on January 02, 2013, 01:09:25 PM
Hey Dave

If so, would we be able to 'read' a difference in current between the red and yellow output lines?

Mags
I see what you are saying, I havent tried that, but it would only move through a load so could we really tell.
Here's one, find the frequency of the PM
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Dave45 on January 02, 2013, 04:01:50 PM
Here's one for your circuit, Hendershot

Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Dave45 on January 02, 2013, 09:44:48 PM
 :o
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: TinselKoala on January 03, 2013, 12:02:40 AM
I'm looking forward to seeing your demonstrations of these circuits and diagrams you are posting, Dave. Can you please give a link to your YouTube videos illustrating the effects you are diagramming?

Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Dave45 on January 03, 2013, 12:20:33 AM
I added one to the diagram
Soon
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Dave45 on January 03, 2013, 01:27:33 PM
The zvs cannot be used, if opened up it goes into a runaway situation.
This setup cannot go into runaway because we control the input.

Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: wattsup on January 03, 2013, 03:39:52 PM
@Dave45

Regarding the first circuit you posted, I have used that for driving several flyback types. The only hold-up is that it is a fixed circuit so no way to play around with a variable frequency. When someone publishes a fixed circuit but then includes a flyback coil or other coil type that can have so many variables, for sure you can run anything with this circuit and you will get a result as output, but there is nothing in there that indicates any advantage towards OU. You would have to use that fixed circuit and try 100 or so variations of coiling systems to achieve any serious results. Or, the publisher of the circuit must also indicate the full specs of how the coil is built, turns and winding directions, wire gauges, core model showing that the person has already done all the above variable checking to arrive at this particular circuit and coil. But a circuit just showing as it does is still light years away from any practical use, besides being a base for further R&D.

@TK

About your Royer circuit, I would ask you why you think the L1 coil is there. I think I know why but that would be jumping the gun since i wil be getting into that in the locked thread. I would be curious to know what your take on it is. Also, could you put a few words on the zeners. How do they function in that circuit? This would help @members here. Actually we would need one thread with dozens of sample circuits with explanations on zener usage.

About breaking rules, please feel at home here as I know your input is priceless. I read what you posted on the Solution vs Hoax thread but was too busy to post anything.

In the next thread I will open, it will call for simple bench tests that if you or other @members had time to do as an unbiased observer, this would help because for sure my own credibility is not high enough to put some weight on what I want to convey here. If you see anything that is not right, please correct us and I will make the changes in the main threads as warranted. Also, I may come back and disagree with your assessment and provide you with the reason(s) why and hopefully at that point it will be my way of possibly opening your eyes to some EE discrepancies, that may seem mundane or even misunderstood by myself and I will always accept that possibility. As long as the rebuttals are pertinent and logical, no problemo.

@Bob Smith

I wonder if there is a chronological chart or list of Tesla patents. I think if one would study that list and see where in that time line Tesla actually invented AC, we may be able to notice a DC progression that leads to the advent of AC. I would say that the Tesla bifilar patent came before the AC patent and that in the bifilar patent Tesla is basically showing one way to partially overcome some of the DC limitations in a coil that he then extended with his AC patent. I am sure Tesla realized that AC also had its limitations. I will get into that in the next thread as well because at the base, we all start from there. If you are off a few degrees, your trajectory changes and your landing point also changes. Just need a day or so to finalize the first thread start.

@all

We will be discussing enough about coils in the next thread and we will start simple, because I am convinced it is the sum of the simplest mistakes we make that push us away from OU. There has to be some checkmate conditions that we just do not realize are playing against us right from the start.

It's hard to explain in simple terms but just humor me for a minute. If all of the highest levels of intellectual activity in this world were controlled from a century before Tesla to today by those holding the money, arms and power, call them the Cabal, again just to humor me, then we cannot trust anything we have been taught. It is greater then possible that all technological activities that are controlled by a "national association" have in their midst people that are there only to control and limit the amount and type of academic learning that will be made available to the masses. We are part of that mass and have to consider that everything we have been taught in school is only a limited thin layer of truth mixed in with fallacies that both keep us functional in our specializations but crippled to expand beyond those limitations. So for me, you cannot trust anything in standard EE. Everything must be rehashed, re-examined and re-established in order to pull down the veil of ignorance we are living under. This may or may not be true, but there is no way we can take the chance. The only way is to start all over. I know this sounds crazy because it is easier to dismiss this as rampant paranoia, but let's just say our intellectual room is in a damn mess and some citizens need to tidy it up. That's what I hope these threads will help do. Put real information in a concentrated format that cannot be lost in 1000s of pages.

The ultimate answer is rather simple on how to fix this world of ours. It already occurred in the USA over 150 years ago when citizens were asked to vote in the first American referendum specifically asking that all Freemasons be banned from holding any positions of power. In those days, their numbers went from 30,000 to 5,000 but the remaining Freemasons hunkered down and went underground for years while the public just forgot about this hidden menace and their numbers thereafter have grown to about 1 million in the USA as we speak. So, if there was only one law to enforce today, it should be to remove anyone that is part of the Freemasons, 10th degree and above, or, anyone in any other secret societies that call for normal citizens to take oaths of allegiance to powers other then holding allegiance to ones nation.  Those holding any position of power in all spheres of activity including religions, meaning all of them would be fired and replaced with normal citizens of this world. Do that and this world will flourish with normal people. Keep these creeps in place and we are royally screwed as we will continue to live in a society run by highly demented and controlled individuals.

OK, ok, I know, let's cut the drama but it is so hard to ignore when t is so prevalent.

I think I have a  better idea for the first upcoming locked thread and companion thread.

I will start the locked thread and each paragraph will be numbered.

So you guys can then refer directly to the paragraph number or range when you make a suggestion to keep it, change it or remove it. We talk, we balance, we develop and undertake proof of concept experiments and then we decide and as this happens, the locked thread will change and evolve by consensus.

If someone wants to do the updates to the locked thread, let me know and I can ask @stefan to add you as moderator status for this group.

The end document would be a culmination of an OU multi-effort. But no distractions. I will remove anyone that wants to crap around. I won't let this fall because we and the guys coming after us need this now. We have to wake up. The way I see it is that we all need a wider base of knowledge that could never be rubbed away for the total transition to occur. The transition is from before OU to during OU transition (our time) to after OU (our grand-children). I don't give a damn if I do not discover OU. I would not mind finding it, but, I also know we need to know more about our coils and the juice mix and there are some things I have learned on my own that I think will interest smarter guys then me to make the transition a reality. That's all. This is all open source so no hiding around.

Yes I could do all this myself, but it would not mean anything. We need third party involvement and that means you. I will post here the first two simple experiments when I get back from work. If one or two @members. or more, can do these experiments and report their results, then there is no way anyone can accuse me or us of skewing the data.

wattsup
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: TinselKoala on January 03, 2013, 04:50:52 PM
Hi Watts, thanks for being accepting.
The L1 coil is there, _I think_, so that there remains some relatively high impedance between the battery positive and the mosfets when operating at the design frequency. The drive coil itself is very low impedance usually. With a non-center-tapped drive coil, as in my wireless transmitters, the drive coil isn't center tapped and is _really_ low impedance, so there are 2 "L1" chokes to the positive rail, one on either side of the drive coil. I think this is the case. I had one transmitter fail when one of these chokes failed (got too hot, shorted thru the cheap wire enamel insulation, and actually broke the ferrite core, along with blowing both mosfets.) I'll be interested to see your take on these chokes. I have found that their value isn't too critical; I've used as low as 40 uHy in my transmitters when the schematic calls for 100 uHy. I'm operating at around 800 kHz for the wireless (IIRC, I haven't measured it lately). I've seen some lower frequency  center-tapped versions that call for 1000 uHy here along with big spiral transmitter coils, I haven't played around much with those yet. My best flyback driver (center tapped, one choke) uses about 120 uHy for this choke and works awesomely well.
The Zeners in the drawing I posted, and in the "Hendershot" drawing from Dave, are "gate protection" Zeners which limit the voltage at the mosfet gate by shunting any overvoltage directly to the mosfet source (negative rail, ground.) Most of the mosfets we use have a 20 Volt gate-source limit, some have 30 volt limit. Using 12-volt or 15-volt Zeners here in these circuits is a simple way of allowing the DC input voltage to go higher - 36 volts or more - without taking the chance of exceeding the gate-source limit of the mosfets. If the zeners weren't there you'd be limited on your supply voltage to something that the gate can handle.  There is a _lot_ of reactive power circulating in the coils of these circuits, which is why you need very low Rdss mosfets, because even with true ZVS the mosfets are carrying a lot of peak current when they are on.

In that last circuit of Dave's using the ignition coil to drive the output arrangement (through a spark gap?) those first two diodes are going to have to be capable of handling at least 20 kv PIV, I think.....  so I wonder why not use a modern flyback transformer, whose output is already rectified by its internal HV diodes....
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Dave45 on January 03, 2013, 04:52:44 PM
Finding the best way to explain  :-\
A coils magnetic field resists change not only because of the direction of current through the coil but also the polarity of the current.
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Dave45 on January 03, 2013, 07:07:22 PM
One side needs a pos pulse the other a neg pulse preferably at the same time.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/afep01.htm
Naudin using the AV plug
Look at the fwbr and you will see the av plug.

Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: TinselKoala on January 03, 2013, 09:52:22 PM
Finding the best way to explain  :-\
A coils magnetic field resists change not only because of the direction of current through the coil but also the polarity of the current.

What is the difference between the "polarity of the current" and the "direction of current" ?
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Dave45 on January 04, 2013, 12:02:33 PM
What is the difference between the "polarity of the current" and the "direction of current" ?
I was trying to spit it out, it came out wrong  ::)
 
I was thinking on the zvs,
The capacitor sets the frequency that the coils run at, it acts like a spring catching the bemf from both coils.
What happens when we put diodes before the cap, the cap catches the bemf but does not return the energy back into the system, we have freed the coils up to run at their maximum, their only limit would be component speed, wire resistance, core resistance. It would runaway.
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Dave45 on January 04, 2013, 02:16:58 PM
My idea's are my own, take with a grain of salt, I make no claims.
I can post or not, whichever you prefer. ;)
 
I wonder if the zvs coils were wound on a magnet in such a way as to buck the magnetic field of the pm would this give enough resistance to stop the runaway and increase the bemf which is being fed into the caps.
Just pondering
Im building the circuit now I have the core and everything else but the mosfets I have cant handle the current so I have to order some or figure out how to make the circuit draw less amps.
Im learning and have lots of idea's.

later
dave
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: wattsup on January 04, 2013, 03:50:13 PM
@TK and @Dave45

Sorry for delay in posting back. When it snows heavy I am free because we cancel jobs on those days but when it is snow free or light, we wind up rushing twice as much so next two days will be rough going with lots of work. But on Sunday I will be posting again. Post what you think is pertinent. I will be back soon.

wattsup
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Qwert on January 04, 2013, 05:49:40 PM
My idea's are my own, take with a grain of salt, I make no claims.
I can post or not, whichever you prefer. ;) ...   ...

Only something that I call "constructive criticism" can move ideas into great inventions. I guess, TK does right job in this forum.
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Trino Cularoid on January 04, 2013, 06:23:43 PM
Many scientists deny it or ignore it: consciousness. It allows to turn possibilities into probabilities. Or, in other words, it can make things happen more (or less) likely than expected. It can also make the repeatability of experiments unreliable, which isn't exactly appreciated for currently used scientific models.

If we assume that consciousness can affect an outcome, then it shouldn't be a big surprise that some inventions are not working reliably during demonstrations if the audience is very skeptic. On the other hand, some individuals or groups might be able to successfully replicate many inventions because of their state of consciousness, may even be able to make "fake" inventions work.

Also, there might be more than one way to do something. Just because something can "easily" be faked doesn't necessarily mean it was actually done in such a way.

Just some things that might be worth keeping in (an open) mind...
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: TinselKoala on January 04, 2013, 06:26:30 PM
Thanks, Qwert.

Dave.... please keep posting !! I'm trying to understand what you mean, and I have some little experience with the basic circuit you have posted. I've built many wireless transmitters using the same basic circuit with IRFZ44n mosfets, and flyback drivers using IRFP260 mosfets, and I'm about to build another variant using IRFP460 mosfets to try for low-power induction heating. (I plan to use a circuit with around 0.5 uF capacitor and 25 uHy for the output coil, beefy Litz or multistrands of magnet wire.)
All my work with these circuits is documented in my YT channel. The flyback driver is particularly spectacular in performance.
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Gwandau on January 06, 2013, 01:39:43 AM
Many scientists deny it or ignore it: consciousness. It allows to turn possibilities into probabilities. Or, in other words, it can make things happen more (or less) likely than expected. It can also make the repeatability of experiments unreliable, which isn't exactly appreciated for currently used scientific models.

If we assume that consciousness can affect an outcome, then it shouldn't be a big surprise that some inventions are not working reliably during demonstrations if the audience is very skeptic. On the other hand, some individuals or groups might be able to successfully replicate many inventions because of their state of consciousness, may even be able to make "fake" inventions work.

Also, there might be more than one way to do something. Just because something can "easily" be faked doesn't necessarily mean it was actually done in such a way.

Just some things that might be worth keeping in (an open) mind...

Trino Cularoid,
 
I am astonished and pleased to find someone on this forum expressing such novel area of thought, most people still believe that our so called
physical reality consists of an unchanging and unimpressionable set of fundamental laws that governs the observed physical phenomena around us.
 
What you are closing in on is absolutely heretical to the scientific community as well as the majority of the OU community.
 
Still, according to validated quantuum theory, the observer is beyond doubt affecting the observed on the Planck scale level and below.
Today many scientists find it a great mystery why this effect is not apparent on the macro scale as well. Theoretically it should, since macro reality is made up of micro reality.
 
And maybe this phenomeon actually does exist on the macro scale, but still have evaded recognition due to its elusive quality.
 

The concept of consciousness being directly involved in the level of probability is far, far ahead of our times,
and will probably only be fully understood from a level of holistic understanding still unavailable for the human mind.
 
 
The British biochemist Robert Sheldrake has devoted his entire career into the exploration of a new science he calls "Morpho-Genesis".
He has found through statistical research that any new innovation takes a certain time to gain momentum in its function.
 
For example, a never before done chemical experiment is performing very different results in the beginning, but the more times the experiment
is performed, and the more people that has witnessed it, the more stable the chemical reaction becomes.
 
This is totally opposing the conventional view of our universe being rock solid in its dependence on never changing scientific fundamental laws.
 
When dealing with novel areas of research it is therefore absolutely essential to be select in your choice of audience when presenting initial experimental results or even ideas.
 
The solution initiated by wattsup by creating an environment here at the OU free from hyenas and litter is a welcome first step in that direction.
 
 
Gwandau
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: tinman on January 06, 2013, 09:26:59 AM
@vineet_kiran

You bring up a good point and we will cover this question and also try and identify the terminology when guys talk about effects in their coils. Usually feed back is an intended effect taken via a third coil on a core, so the term you are using may not be the right one, but this confusion happens way to often in OU discussions and it often becomes a source of great discourse, so we will take a look at that in the next threads.

@Dave45

I agree with you. And again, this is another main point to look at. When you look at Tesla patents, you will notice that he rarely makes reference to positive and negative and you could swear some of his devices worked bi-directionally. I am using the word "direction" here very loosely because I really think that DC has no direction. Direction only became a reality once the positive diode was invented and by doing so forced all circuits into a fixed direction. I also think one day someone will invent the negative diode and when that becomes a reality, circuits will be seen in a whole new light. We will have to cover this more in the coming threads.

@all

If you have some other short ideas to add to this thread, concerns, observations, etc., that we can then cover these more deeply in newer threads, please do so.

wattsup
Hi Guys

Wattsup-i am replying to your statment-you could swear some of his devices were bi directional.
Well as it turns out,i have been working on a simple circuit that uses a tesal bifilar pancake coil.
TK has been helping me along the way in reguards to figuring out what we are seeing.

I am yet to see results that resemble what im seeing with this circuit.
Some how i have current flowing in the wrong direction on both the positive and negative side?
I guess the best thing to do is post my latest video here, and let you guys see for your self the effects im getting.

I am hopeing to get my 2 channel scope this week,and this should make it easy to see what is going on.
But for now,take a look and let me know if you have seen this effect befor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxEalA83XlE

It is good to see a thread that will not have any negative input or polution on it.

I am far from full bottles on electronic's-hence the reason i asked TK to take a look at this circuit.
But i am more than happy to replicate and confirm result's with others finding's.

Thanks guy's
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: TinselKoala on January 06, 2013, 03:28:54 PM
Hi Tinman, thanks for the video and the circuit. I took the liberty of re-drawing your schematic.... it always helps me to draw the schematic, I try to imagine myself swimming around in the wires like a negative charge carrier, trying to figure out which way to go and what to do....

Please go over my drawing and let me know right away if I've made any mistakes.

I don't remember what diodes you used so I just put in 1n914 (1n4148, etc) but it would be best to use whatever you used, if you can let me know the number.

Also, what's the peak voltage of the square wave generator as you are using it? I forgot to put the frequency in there too, I think you said it was 550 Hz about?

It might also be important to know the winding direction and hookup of the TB coil: is the outer wire or the center wire connected to positive rail, and when looking at the coil's face, does it spiral CW or CCW?

I haven't yet built it, just woke up, will build and test later on today.
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Dave45 on January 06, 2013, 09:30:54 PM
Had to go out of town for a bit
http://www.falstad.com/vector3dm/ (http://www.falstad.com/vector3dm/) when java opens select horseshoe electromagnetic in the first drop down box then select field lines in the next box, expand the box and you can rotate with your mouse pointer
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: TinselKoala on January 07, 2013, 03:00:46 AM
A big part of understanding overunity is understanding how to measure things, and how measurements can go wrong, or at least be very suspect.

I've reproduced the effect TinMan showed in the video above. Even though these DMMs can be very accurate measuring voltage and current in oscillating systems, it's still possible to fool them, which is apparently what is happening here.

In the following video I show the operation of TinMan's circuit when driven by my F43 function generator making a symmetrical square wave output with 50 percent duty cycle. These LEDs are from a Harbor Freight 27-LED flashlight.... when these are on sale for $3.99 they are the cheapest source for white LEDs I've found! And easy to work with, I just pulled out the 3-LED front light board and used it completely as-is.

But I am astounded at the brilliance of the LEDs when driven with the full output from the FG to the TinMan board. Due to the loading the FG is only putting out about 12 V p-p at this setting.... but the LEDs are brighter than I have ever seen an ordinary 5mm white LED get without blowing. It hurts to look at them they are so bright, at certain settings of frequency and amplitude on the FG.

But the DMM story is also astounding. First, one can see that increasing the output amplitude of the FG does cause the lights to get brighter.... but the indicated current on the meters goes _down_. And by careful tuning of frequency and FG amplitude..... I can get the meters to read _zero_ current, even on the 2000 microAmp range, yet the LEDs are still shining respectably brightly.

I don't show any scope traces from the circuit here, because there is some groundlooping happening in my setup somehow, even when I have the F43 switched to full isolation (Black output lead isolated from chassis ground), when the scope's grounds are hooked up. So to be sure to avoid non-measured current paths I disconnected the scope and am just showing the DMM readings here. Later on I'll make another video showing some scope traces, they are beautiful and interesting.

(I do show a scope trace from a pickup coil not connected to the circuit except by induction; since I am at the resonant frequency of the pickup coil it shows a pure sine wave of high amplitude. This is _not_ what is happening in the TinMan circuit's Tesla bifilar coil, however.... that will come later.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvf9Uo7UVx0


I'd like to see Tinman start a thread on this, it's a very interesting circuit and TinMan deserves a thread on it; plus it will keep us from distracting from other topics.
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Dave45 on January 07, 2013, 04:49:33 AM
I think one of our problems is understanding the magnetic field, there is a static field and there is a kinetic field.
The static field is the field we see when we put iron filings on a sheet of paper. The static field interacts with the iron but the iron is not effected by the kinetic field, the kinetic field is electrical and needs an electrical medium to be viewed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3grPo81fBrA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3grPo81fBrA)
In this vid you can see the kinetic electric field interacting with the plasma.
There are two fields associated with a magnet, one is the static field(viewed with iron filings) and the kinetic field (A-vector field) viewed with plasma.
A magnet is essentially a motor sitting there running, we just have to understand how to tie into that motor and make it work for us.   
In the drawings I post I am drawing the electric field, the static field is normally only shown with north south representations.
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Dave45 on January 07, 2013, 01:34:05 PM
This is a coil I submerged in water and froze you can see the A vector field.
This is the field we need to study.

Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: wattsup on January 07, 2013, 02:28:32 PM
@TinMan

Regarding the circuit posted by @TK, why is the first 1N914 (left) the same model as the second that is also in series with a resistor and capacitor? That is curious because both have the same attribute but will be working under different conditions and I doubt if that is the best choice.

I think you need to hunt for the best first diode. I use this diode carousel to always hunt for the best diode models. While some diodes can give zero results, another will give 1 while another will give 10. You never know and will be very surprised and happy to have this. You could be wasting hours and hours without knowing the diode was the effect killer or reducer to begin with. So you always need to hunt and not take diodes for granted. Even if the circuit works, it may work better with another diode model with dramatic results.

http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Wattsups%27%20stuff/diode-carrousel/

You can use this on the load as well with the dioded capacitor as seen and a volt meter across the capacitor. You can then place a load on the cap as well and really see the voltage load on the cap in real time while you change your frequency settings.

Also, maybe try to put a toroid coil or other coil type in series with the bifilar. Try on one side, then on the other side. If there is a secondary on the added coil, try shorting the secondary.

Or if you had a second bifilar as your first one, put in series, one over the the other with a piece of plastic (dielectric) in between.

@Dave45

Interesting concept. we will be getting into that as well but will be asking some very precise questions about that but not yet. hehehe

wattsup




Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Dave45 on January 07, 2013, 03:24:54 PM
Hope you dont mind if I ramble on a bit, we can determine the direction the A vector field travels by looking at the spin of our planet. If north is up our planet spins from west to east, if north is up the A vector field moves to the right across the static magnetic field.
The A vector field acts like a gear that moves independent of the shaft and will interact just like a gear with another gear.
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: tinman on January 07, 2013, 03:34:28 PM
Hi Wattsup
TK just took a pick as to what diodes he would use,as i never posted the diode type on the schematic.
Im useing 1n4004's.The cap and resistor are for a voltage reference point ,but also have some feed back into the led's via the coil-just a small additive.
Indeed there is much more experimenting with this circuit to go,and things like diodes and cap's of diferent values will be tried.
I have a video uploaded,but i am waiting to hear from TK in reguards to my request that he open's a thread on this circuit-as i feel he is more up to speed on electronics than myself.

But i think you will find that the results from this very simple circuit are indeed very good.
It is my intention to do as was requested by this thread,and show all that i have-open sorce.

Thanks
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: ramset on January 07, 2013, 05:16:22 PM
Asset Maximization
 
Wattsup
You are a most trusted member and asset to this community.We have many other assets out there that are quite strapped financially but perfectly willing and able to contribute to these pages.
 
Just Take  Tinsel as one example,he Burns up personal resources for public gain all the time!
there are others here  stymied  so much by Lack of funds.they can't even start to help.
 
Perhaps a builders acc't with certain vendors?
 
Setting up a link to "fund" and a method to access the resources [anonymously if requiered ]would get a whole new set of skilled eyes and hands working on these projects.
Times are hard [very hard for some].
?
Thx
Chet
PS
Soundicek {paul} at Energetic has done this "fund raising" successfully with One project [ongoing].
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: TinselKoala on January 07, 2013, 06:56:41 PM
wattsup asked,
Quote
Regarding the circuit posted by @TK, why is the first 1N914 (left) the same model as the second that is also in series with a resistor and capacitor?
They are fast, small signal diodes within the parameters of the circuit. Also.... I have about a hundred of them and they aren't doing anyone any good sitting in a box, so I try to use them whenever possible.
But since tinman is using 1n4004 rectifiers I suppose I should too. I've just checked my diode stash and I have 3 left, along with some of 4002 and 4005 and 4007.
I have a few other diode types. I'm down to my last new MUR1560, but I have a handful of various fast diodes pulled from TV chassis, and some 1n5400, and one STTH8S06D from a TV. And a half dozen germaniums, 1n34a and 1n60.
My usual strategy in cases like this would be to put in a couple of candidate diodes and be able to select between them with a switch while the circuit is running.
I am running out of supplies, but I think I still have a handful of SPDT switches I can use. No room on that little scrap of circuit board though.... well, I'll see what I can manage.

@tinman..... I thought about opening a thread, but since it's your circuit I'd be happier if you opened the thread yourself, telling us your story and outlining what you'd like to see tested, etc. Don't be shy about your electronics chops... you've already demonstrated a high degree of competency and you should not worry at all about that stuff. We are all learning here -- at least those of us with open minds that aren't already so full that the ....er..... knowledge comes running out the earholes.  Some of what I  know I know is right, some other stuff I think I know is probably wrong, and there is a lot of stuff I have no clue about, and there is even bound to be stuff I don't even know that I don't know (thanks Rumsfeld).
 ???
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: poynt99 on January 08, 2013, 03:48:48 PM
TK,

Would I assume correctly that you are driving tinman's circuit with a symmetrical bipolar signal (+/- 4v for eg.) from your FG?

If so, then it is quite understandable why or how you would achieve "zero current" at low currents and not at higher currents.

Remember that your meters are going to indicate what the average current is. So you could be driving amps at both polarities and still indicate "zero current", provided  the + and - currents are equal. At low current I suspect they are quite close in this circuit, but at a higher voltage output from the FG, the load it sees is imbalanced (per the schematic), therefore the current indicates some net value, albeit that value is most likely not representative of anything realistic.

With a 50 Ohm output, your FG could in fact be sourcing significant current to those LED's. I suspect it is much higher than 2.5mA at least.
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: poynt99 on January 08, 2013, 04:25:22 PM
TK,

You and tinman may wish to try something like this.
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: TinselKoala on January 08, 2013, 06:51:33 PM
TK,

Would I assume correctly that you are driving tinman's circuit with a symmetrical bipolar signal (+/- 4v for eg.) from your FG?


Yes, that's right, just as Tinman is doing with his oscillator. I have also driven it with both positive only and negative only square waves (all of which should be translated into the "red/black" FG output terminology, to avoid confusion, as we found in another case using negative supplies from the FG.....) and sine and ramp signals as well.

Quote
If so, then it is quite understandable why or how you would achieve "zero current" at low currents and not at higher currents.

Remember that your meters are going to indicate what the average current is. So you could be driving amps at both polarities and still indicate "zero current", provided  the + and - currents are equal. At low current I suspect they are quite close in this circuit, but at a higher voltage output from the FG, the load it sees is imbalanced (per the schematic), therefore the current indicates some net value, albeit that value is most likely not representative of anything realistic.
Actually the response for me is the other way around; the readings are less symmetrical at low FG output amplitudes, but that might be due to my instrumental setup. I hope it's clear from the videos, both mine and TM's, that the settings that give the exact zeros are quite precise and need careful tuning of input power level and frequency.

My comment posted early yesterday  morning in reply to someone on the video page:
Quote from: TK
Thank you... I do know how to make accurate measurements.
The point of this demonstration is to reproduce Tinman's circuit and DMM readings. Did I give the impression that I thought the meter readings were accurate? If so I apologise.
They are averaging a pulse train that has positive and negative going components.... they _should_ read Zero all of the time if they are accurately averaging this pulse train.

Quote

 With a 50 Ohm output, your FG could in fact be sourcing significant current to those LED's. I suspect it is much higher than 2.5mA at least.

Yes, that is right, and that is also why I've repeated the testing with 50R in series (Carbon resistors, 2x100R 2Watt in parallel) with the FG output, with the same brilliantly blinding results... but of course the F43 is capable of supplying 40V p-p.

Also, the F43 has an "isolation" switch that isolates the "black" output (the shield or ground of the BNC connector/cable) from the instrument's chassis and the line input ground. All the BNC connectors in the unit are isolated from the chassis anyway,  and I've moved the F43's signal isolation switch to the front panel, it was on the back along with the input voltage selector, kind of a pain to reach around for, but now.... I've probably voided my warranty by drilling a hole in my panel and putting a toggle switch there.   ;D

Sorry I haven't gotten scoposcopy up yet... I am having motivational difficulties right now, plus I've discovered a bunch of Wallander episodes on YT, both the British ones with Branaugh and the Swedish ones with English subtitles. Very distracting, they require full attention for the best performance impact.

But I have done the scoposcopy, just not videoed it yet. The reason the meters read zero is clear. The reason the meters sometimes read differently from each other is because of subtle wave-shaping at certain freqs and input power settings..... I think.

The sheer brilliance of the LEDs is still astounding. I am quite sure they will not get this bright with straight DC without blowing out in a hurry. But I don't have a pile of them to waste, nor an accurate instrumental means of looking at absolute brightness levels. I have found good lux-meter setups using the Arduino but I don't have the necessary sensor, TSL235.

TK,

You and tinman may wish to try something like this.

Yes, that's right. In my case I can also vary the output offset, and/or use the positive-only or negative-only wave settings on the F43.

Tinman has said that he would rather that I started a thread on his circuit here, since he's involved elsewhere, but I can't figure out what category to put it in, and I'm not in any sense "leading" research on this item. Nor do I know just where TinMan is going with this ..... I think this circuit is just a preliminary build up to what he really wants to test, if I am guessing right.
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: wattsup on January 10, 2013, 04:15:54 PM
@TK and @Tinman

If you want, you can open a thread inside this moderated group or ride on this thread for a while, no problem. This thread is just a mishmash or bounce board to run some insights.
Just go here if you want to start a new thread.
http://www.overunity.com/understanding-overunity/#.UO7JhXe9rok

About the circuit, for me, the bifilar coil is acting like a capacitor except in reverse.

Caps discharge on connect, inductors discharge on disconnect. But in this case the bifilar inductor is also a  capacitor. So what does it do in this circuit? I'd love to see some scope shots, one with the bifilar and one where you measure the bifilar capacitance and replace it with a real capacitor of that value. Will they act the same way? What if the same value cap and bifilar were in parallel.

@all

For me I want to look at each step of the pulsing process and have been mulling over what step #1 should be and till now, I think starting by just taking a wire and shorting it across a car battery would be a good first step.

What does DC do to a wire? Do it 10 times. 5 times with the positive side connected first and 5 times with negative side connected first. Measure from the positive to the negative where the wire breaks. Report the results to the group. If 2-3 guys can do this, it will provide more input and possibly confirm a trend. Then asking the question, why are the results the way they are. Then comparing this to conventional theory. Then comparing it to alternative theory. What fits the effect.

This one little simple but destructive action of shorting a wire could say so much and maybe we just jumped over this effect as a given. But everything else that we can imagine, build and then connect to this same battery is but a fancier version of a short circuit and if we don't really know how our battery works under the simplest of these, how are we supposed to best use it?

So maybe the short circuit is the ultimate battle of the dualities. What if 100 wire lengths were shorted, where does it break the most and why? The wire type I am thinking of is non enameled 14 awg or 16 awg copper wire that has no bends and connected directly to the battery terminal with pliers. What do you think the majority will show?

@Dave45

This is a coil I submerged in water and froze you can see the A vector field.
This is the field we need to study.

Yes, this is one question to answer. If the coil was constantly energized or pulsed while the water was freezing, then you need one more coil in a separate cylinder of freezing water as well but not energized and as a control base, one more cylinder without a coil, to compare and confirm the differences. Otherwise you can then make many erroneous assumptions of what you are seeing.

Is the visual effect frequency dependent and what happens when the frequency changes while the water is freezing. What if the coil received a stronger capacitive discharge, etc.

Usually one little experiment will open up more questions and more variables. The more you do of these, the more you will learn about the effect.

wattsup

Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: poynt99 on January 10, 2013, 04:26:55 PM
A thread has now been opened.
http://www.overunity.com/13244/electron-reversing-device/msg350510/#new
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Dave45 on January 14, 2013, 03:17:47 PM
Hey TK
 I was thinking about the vid you did with the plasma mug
As you can see the field stays the same, its just how we are viewing it  ;)
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: wattsup on January 14, 2013, 04:21:30 PM
@all

Hmmmmmm. Very hectic weekend in our family but I had some time to try wire shorts over a fully charged 12vdc car battery. I used 14awg wire of 12" long each. The effect is so immediate and too fast to visually comprehend the effect. Also, the wire goes into plasma mode and just falls apart due to its own weight. I have to find a way to slow down the destructive effect and also to fully support the wire on a stone material so the wire breach would be caused by the over current and not by gravity. I will have to use the camera and hopefully afterward with VitualDubMod at 30 frames per second, I could see the effect progression. You would probably need a real high speed camera to see it in true slow motion.

Yes I know this sounds so juvenile because we all know what happens to a wire when you short it on a car battery, but we do not really know what is happening in that one split second. We see the immediate outcome and stop there, but there is much more to this then meets the eye.

What is happening in a wire under extreme conditions is what is happening in our coils under lesser extremes. I need to know this in order to design a better primary coil strategy because I am convinced this is where we are all going wrong. The primary is the ether attractor and director. How you wind and configure the primary will ultimately determine the maximum flux changes in a core. It will also determine where on the core those changes occur and how far these changes can transfer to one or more secondaries. There are so many variations of this one simple process that we can wind up getting lost in the standard methods for years and years.

The ultimate way to learn more about primary coils is pretty simple. You would require a toroidal core onto which you wind about 10 turns of wire, but at each turn you make a tap point. The ultimate again would be to then use 11 scope probes, one on each tap point plus the ends and all probes set at the same values. Then while you pulse the coil you can read the waveforms, hence energy changes throughout the primary coil while you make changes to frequency, width and amplitude pulse values. There is much more going on in the coil then we think by just looking at scoped waveforms at the start and end of a coil.  I have never seen this done this way. Sort of like when they put a bunch of probes on your head to measure the brain activity, but do it to measure coil activity.

wattsup

Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: wattsup on January 17, 2013, 02:07:26 PM
@all

OK, so here are three brief videos for shorting a battery with 14 awg by 12" long wires. From the first, then second then third video the battery power seems to decline so ideally I would need an good DC power supply that will always provide the same power level on each trial. But actually I am very happy already because they do show the effect in three different energy levels.

Understanding Overunity - Battery Short - Test 1
http://youtu.be/iAeoktG6hkg

Understanding Overunity - Battery Short - Test 2
http://youtu.be/tOMFbi7qXyo

Understanding Overunity - Battery Short - Test 3
http://youtu.be/78CoFCCyFBA

In all three videos the positive (left) was connected first.

So here is a small challenge to all OUers. Something so simple as shorting a wire and creating this simple effect but I would like to know how this is explained in standard EE methods or what you think is happening in alternative theory.

The answer is right in front of your eyes, but how will your EE trained mind tell your eyes what they are seeing, is what I am interested in. Then we can talk about the logic and see where this will lead to as a definite conclusion.

One simple question, let's see how many answers. What do you see in DC?

Eventually I would like to try this with 12vac and 100 amps. How will the effect differ? Hmmmmmm.

wattsup

Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: MileHigh on January 17, 2013, 02:52:03 PM
For starters, the simple model for this is a voltage source in series with two resistors.  The first resistance is the internal resistance of the battery and the second resistance is the wire.  The total resistance is low, so that means a lot of power is being dissipated.  Of the two resistors, the higher-valued resistor will dissipate more power than the lower-valued resistor.  I am assuming right now that the internal resistance of the battery is the higher-valued resistor but that would have to be double-checked.

If you were looking at the voltage across the battery it would drop considerably.  I am going to guess about 0.3 volts due to the shorting wire.  You measure the voltage across the wire/battery to determine the current.

Then the wire itself is like a small furnace with constant heat production.  The wire heats up to the point where the heat production is in balance with the heat dissipation.  If the balance point temperature is too high then the wire will melt.

Naturally the high current through the wire and the battery creates a strong magnetic field for a single wire.  However, since there is only one loop, not that strong as compared to a multi-turn coil.  You might be able to feel the magnetic field with a magnet in your hand.

The inductance of the single-wire plus battery current loop is very small but with the high current for a while you are storing a small amount of energy in the magnetic field created by the current loop.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Dave45 on January 18, 2013, 03:12:38 AM
The wire heats from the center out, where amperage and voltage meet, if electrons only moved in one direction the wire would start heating at one end and move around the wire.
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Dave45 on January 18, 2013, 03:53:52 AM
Wind your wire into a coil and do the same test.
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Qwert on January 18, 2013, 03:56:25 AM
The wire heats from the center out, where amperage and voltage meet, if electrons only moved in one direction the wire would start heating at one end and move around the wire.

"Where amperage and voltage meet" ??? ? What are you talking about? Do you understand, what are you talking about? ??? ?? Amperage and voltage don't meet , but we also can't say that they go together. See http://amasci.com/elect/vwatt1.html (http://amasci.com/elect/vwatt1.html)
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on January 18, 2013, 05:10:24 AM
an idea is not a theory, only when it has mathematical proof is when it's theoretical, only after testing and re-testing does it become a theory.
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: wattsup on January 18, 2013, 06:45:26 AM
@MH

Yes, that's one of the ways to see this and I thank you for your input. I am not saying that anyone is right or wrong because in a learning process, both are welcome.

So.... let's look at some visual evidence of what happened when the battery was shorted.

I made six image grabs of Test 1 shown below. Hope they turned out in the right order. hehehe

Let's let the wire tell the story of what is going on when it is hit rather hard with DC.

When you look at these images and compare these to the standard EE theory of electricity "traveling" from one polarity to the other, we run into problems.

When we measure the voltage across a battery, we see a + to - voltage of 12 volts. So we say one polarity is at zero volts the another is at 12 volts. So when we short the battery, one side of the wire will receive zero volts while the other side receives 12 volts.

But if this was true, then how is it possible that this potential difference produces a symmetric distribution of energy dissipation on the wire. This goes counter to what would be expected if the battery energy was unidirectional.

The visual evidence indicates that the energy is "leaving" the battery from both terminals equally. Both sides enter the wire and meet at the wire center point. It's as if the battery is really 6 volts on the + and 6 volts on the - and when you put your volt meter across the battery you still read 12 volts.

When a generator rotor is turning and the stator has let's say three coils that each go all the way around, what happens? Each of the three coils is always receiving a north and a south impress from the rotor magnets. Both rotor polarities are producing the total of the potential difference at all times over the coils. So why would it be any different with a battery shorted by a wire. The battery is the rotor, instead of spinning a magnet the battery is spinning a chemical reaction. The wire is the generator stator and the wire is getting hit by both polarities at the same time.

If you take a dual channel scope and a 7ah 12vdc battery and put the probe positive of each on one of the battery terminals, with volts div at 10mV each and a time div at 20mS, what do you see and why?

@onthecuttingedge2005

I'll work on the theoretical side and you can work on the mathematical side and we can see where we meet. Seems to me that you still need a theory before you can work out the math.

wattsup

Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: TinselKoala on January 18, 2013, 08:46:19 AM
Nice work, Watts. I am especially happy that you caught the instant of wire failure.

I've done a lot of work exploding fine wires by discharging HV caps into them. I use my Bonetti machine to charge up some Maxwell pulse caps to 60 kV or so, then discharge them by an overvolting air gap through enough inductance to make a critically damped discharge (so it's not AC, just all the energy is dumped in a single DC pulse). Here's what the result looks like. The copper is vaporised and ejected, always on the outside of the curve of the wire, and sometimes the enamel insulation is left behind almost intact. The copper blasts out of tiny holes or splits in the enamel tube. This was #36 enamelled magnet wire.
I also did some with very fine aluminum strips... and got extremely violent explosions, much more so than with copper at the same energies.

Two mysteries: the copper vaporizes or liquefies and is ejected always on the outside of any curvature in the wire, and the fragile insulation often survives relatively intact, with only tiny holes or splits.
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: wattsup on January 18, 2013, 03:35:11 PM
@TK

Thanks for your images. Yes a HV discharge is another effect that we know little of. At HV discharge the advancing of energy from both polarities into the wire is so quick that you would require very fast video capability to then see the occurrence progress frame by frame to see exactly what is going on.

We would have looked at this effect later on but the question remains....

How is is possible for electricity to enter the wire and travel through the wire at such a high speed to then cause copper atoms to be ejected in an almost perfect perpendicular angle? Regular EE theory does not explain this well.

The only analog I can think of is David and Goliath. David puts a rock in his sling and starts turning the sling faster and faster until he releases the rock that exits perpendicular to his sling and hits Goliath in the forehead. This event may be true or not but the sling would be the analog to fast spinning of copper atoms. So fast that the centrifugal force surpasses the copper bond and copper atoms get ejected perpendicular to the wire.

How can you physically eject something perpendicular with enough force if you are only moving forward. In billiards, if the white ball just barely skins the black ball, the black ball will move almost perpendicular to the white ball direction but the force of the black ball will be minimal. To achieve a strong perpendicular exiting of an object you need to have it spinning on an axis then released. The atom itself has its own axis of spin and some relative distance and with enough speed will break its bond and could only then depart from the mass perpendicular.

In your first image we see that the ejections are not in one or two concentrated locations but throughout the wire length. It is impossible to consider this being caused by a forward movement. It can only be explained by what I have coined as "Spin Conveyance". At HV, the spin is exerted throughout the wire instantly. Again we are not supposed to be this far ahead on the subject but it does not hurt to dabble in it.

These effects may seem rather mundane or unimportant, but they are really very important because they are at the base of our EE theorizing, on which everything else takes its starting perspective. Again, regardless of the true effect logic, this does not change anything in standard EE as far as measurements and formulas go. But it will at least give a more mentally acceptable visualization of our everyday EE effects.

What I am trying to do is go inside the wire, inside the battery, inside the capacitor or coil to better understand what makes them tick and bring this logic to the forefront. Only then will we be able to see the potential methods of OU.

But there is so much more to cover.

wattsup
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: MileHigh on January 18, 2013, 03:54:07 PM
Wattsup:

It's more like all of the atoms in the wire are just sitting there and then the voltage is applied and all of a sudden the atoms are in a "raging wind" of electrons.  It happens throughout the wire simultaneously.  Or if you want to split hairs, the electric field propagates at the speed of light so it takes a few nanoseconds.  Then it takes a short time for the voltage to overcome the inductance of the wire and induce the current flow.

So on the wire scale the wire heats up, and for TK's case the wire heats up instantly and then starts to boil.  The heat causes expansion and gives the molten and boiling metal outward velocity.  Since you are on a long wire, the mass is expelled outward radially.  It's just a quick energy conversion that's taking place when the wire flashes:  electrical -> heat -> motion.

It's all quite straightforward.  I don't see any surprises.  The issue for you is visualizing the start of the current flow. The current moves everywhere at the same time; through the entire volume of the battery and through the wire.  A very fast power burn takes place, so fast in TK's case that it would be better described as an energy impulse.  So if the energy impulse is very large and very short in duration, you get a massive generation of heat energy in a very short time.  The heat has nowhere to go at first, so the wire has to shoot up in temperature until it pops and the circuit is broken.  It's basically an electrical firecracker and heat is the root cause of the metal spraying out radially.

Also, in TK's case, the metal wire heats up and starts to vaporize so quickly that the enamel coating doesn't even have time to heat up.  So the enamel coating is still quite strong overall for a very short amount of time, such that the pressure from the molten wire pokes holes in it and a lot of the molten and vaporized metal escapes that way.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Dave45 on January 18, 2013, 07:15:34 PM
"Where amperage and voltage meet" ??? ? What are you talking about? Do you understand, what are you talking about? ??? ?? Amperage and voltage don't meet , but we also can't say that they go together. See http://amasci.com/elect/vwatt1.html (http://amasci.com/elect/vwatt1.html)
Yea my terminology was wrong, thanks for the link.
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Dave45 on January 20, 2013, 06:48:47 PM
Time to step it up
http://www.hyiq.org/Library/18-07-11.htm

Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: MileHigh on January 22, 2013, 06:28:09 AM
Wattsup:

I am just going to add a few final comments here and then leave you to your thread.  I read what you said at the beginning of the thread and I know that these explorations will take your own path.

Quoting you:

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The visual evidence indicates that the energy is "leaving" the battery from both terminals equally.

There are a lot of comments in a similar vein over your past few postings.  It seems you have this visualization of power "leaving" from a battery terminal.  Your visualization is really wrong and let me try to help you.  If there is no "uptake" on your part that's fine, this is your thread and I won't be hanging around.

Think of pumping up a tire of a racing bike.  The PSI in the tire is quite high, and at the end you really have to pump hard to get a small amount of air into the tire.  That short time when you are actually pumping the small amount of air is like the battery discharging high voltage across a high-value resistor.  Alternatively, it would look exactly the same to the battery if it was charging a capacitor where the voltage in the capacitor is very high.  The latter is actually the better analogy to the tire.

Think about this:  When you are pumping the tire up you are acting like the battery pushing current through a resistor or charging a capacitor.  You as the pumper don't care what the load is, all that you know is that you are outputting power into a load.

In that sense, there is no power "leaving a terminal and traveling outwards" from the battery.  That's a wrong way of thinking about it.  Instead, all that the battery "knows" is that it maintaining a certain voltage across two terminals and pushing current through those terminals into the outside world.   The outside world could be anything, the battery doesn't care.

The battery just outputs power across it's two terminals, point finale.  Can you visualize that?

Now, let's briefly look at the load, which is a wire in these cases.  Power is not "flowing into the load from the positive terminal of the battery" like you seem to be visualizing.

Imagine we slice the wire into 1000 little disks, each one connected to the other.  Think of a roll of coins.   Each one of those little disks is just sitting there minding it's own business.  Each little disk has its associated resistance.  When the current starts to flow it means that each little disk starts to get hot.   Each little disk has no clue and doesn't care where the power source came from.  All that each little disk knows is that it has just become a small furnace because it is now dissipating power.  The source of the power happens to be the battery, but the disks don't care.  All the disks know is that they are going to heat up.  The little disks are converting electrical power into thermal energy.  In other words, when you look at small slices of time, each slice is power x time = energy.  So each tiny little disk is like a thermal energy producer, as you step through time.  Each disk is like a small furnace, a heat factory.

That's kind of what's going on.  The battery knows nothing, all that it knows is that it has been tasked to output electrical power.   Likewise, the disks know nothing.  They just happen to find themselves acting like little heat factories, and for every small step in time, the little heat factories have put out more total accumulated energy.

The important point being, there is no "flow of power out of a terminal" like I think you are alluding to.  The battery does its thing, and the wire does its thing, and in a way they are not even aware of each other.   The battery has no clue where its output power is going to "flow."

Now, to change gears completely, when you analyze circuits, yes of course you can look at were the power is flowing, and measure power output, power flow, power dissipation, and energy, etc.  That power is flowing like a river.  But I believe that is a completely different analogy to the one you are referring to.  The power analysis I am referring to is a slight abstraction of the real power flows in a circuit without assigning specific physical attributes to it.  In contrast, you seem to be viewing power flowing out of a single battwey terminal like squeezing toothpaste out of a toothpaste tube, and that's not what's happening.

This is probably my last post in this thread.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: wattsup on January 22, 2013, 02:59:37 PM
@MH and @all

I have been busy with family matters in the last several days and will be for another day or so. Then I will continue with @MH's responses and all. I did not want to say anything half-witted and need all my concentration these days. Please do not think I am neglecting your comments, all of which for me are golden perspectives of a good EEer. But not all that seems to be gold, may be gold and I have to take this thread slowly so things sink in well. Back soon.

wattsup


Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: ismael_34 on January 28, 2013, 06:12:04 AM





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            maybe you want to try the same effect with a copper plate


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Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: ismael_34 on January 28, 2013, 09:47:36 AM





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        Perhaps Radiant electricity - it is really something else.
I remember once I closed the battery terminals ordinary wrench. This caused a huge explosion with a white glow and rabryzgivayuschimisya white sparks in all directions. I remember I was in the neighborhood and the sparks fell on me, but he never got burned, as was the case with conventional electricity discharge. Maybe Radiant electricity - it is really something else.


Recently I was asked to translate the article from the English, there is just a manifestation described radiant electricity. I want to give this article here, I think many will be interested to read it, but the truth is it only leaves the question open, and then what was observed in the device dynatron? I think - this is something no less important.


Please do not judge strictly on the quality of the translation. Tested only once.
So, the passage from the book which I do not remember the author




Shocking discovery
...
Tesla constantly observed that connect either AC or DC power to the line often caused explosive effect. Along with the fact that these effects to be of practical use in the area of ​​improving safety, Tesla was puzzled by certain piquant features of this phenomenon. He watched these powerful explosions when switches type "knife" quickly opens and closes his polyphase system. Vyklyuchatelnye blocks are often torn to pieces when the speed of the operator coincides with the current phase.


Tesla understood the situation very carefully. Suddenly applied currents cause both electrical and mechanical stresses in the conductors. When the speed of the turn is close enough and the power reaches a relatively high "crescendo", the effects do not look like a little sparkle. Electricity heats the wire first, bringing it to the point of evaporation. Then constant current application wire breaks into pieces electrostatic bursts. However, whether it was possible to apply a mechanical explanation of all aspects of the phenomenon?


The most resistant metals evaporated from such outbreaks. Others have used this phenomenon to produce tiny faceted diamonds. Yes, there were other aspects of the phenomenon of unbridled impulses that beckoned egoTeslu. Intrigued enough, he constructed a small glowing "generator" consisting of a high-voltage dynamo and small capacitance. His idea was to blow up certain parts of the wire with current "pozhih on glowing." He wanted to observe the effects of the mechanical explosion that have wires under the influence of sudden high power electrification.


Constant application of high current high voltage could eventually turn into thick wire pairs. Charged a high potential DC capacitors allowed to discharge through a section of thick wire. Tesla set up your machine so that to remove all possible current oscillations. When lowered single contact switch, it made the unit, an explosive electrical surge: once through impulse-like glow. Initially, Tesla is controlled by the system, manually moving heavy knife resembling the switch up and down. It became frustrating when voltage dynamo has increased significantly.


He quickly lowered his large knife switch, which he held in his hands in gloves. Broads! Wire exploded. But as soon as he did, with the force of the explosion Tesla stung many needles. Turning off the dynamo, he began to scratch his face, neck, arms, chest and hands. Annoyance was clear. While dynamo stopped, Tesla thought. The blast was powerful. Must have it sprayed fine droplets of molten metal as small as elementary particles of cigarette smoke. He carefully examined the body, but fortunately did not find any wounds. No trace of the searing blast, which he so clearly felt.


Place a large piece of plate glass between them and the exploding wire, he repeated the experiment again. Broads! Wire again turned to steam .. but burning all the pressure effect is also felt. But what was it? How is this burning effect could get through the glass plate? Now he was not sure if he felt the pressure effect, or whether it had an electric effect. Glass delayed the metal fragments, but was the protection of electrical effects.


After studying every detail carefully isolation experiment, Tesla gradually realized that it is very rare electrical phenomenon. Each "broads" is produced in response to Tesla unexpected shock while turned into steam section of wire. Constant explosions gave a strange effect, which has never been observed with alternating currents. Painful shock sensations appeared every time he lowered or raised the switch. These sudden shock currents were pulse, and not waves. Its really surprising is the fact that these resembling injections from needles shock strikes, could reach him at a distance, he was nearly ten feet away from where the discharge occurs!


These electrical stimulation differed from the wire in all directions, filling the room mysteriously. He had never seen anything like it. He thought that the hot metal vapor could act as charge carriers. That would explain the strong pressure wave that came with electrical injections. He used a long wire. The occasion was the bit when sufficient resistance, explosion occurred.


Replace the wire dynamo buzzing at a slower speed. He threw the switch on the handle time and again lost focus because of the oppressive searing waves! Effects continue even in the absence of explosive spark. Here there was a secret. Hot steam is not there to carry high charges across the room. No charge carriers can not be detected in order to explain the nature of the crushing waves of scalding. So it's all the same here?


Pressure waves were sharp and strong, like a miniature lightning. Felt their strange electrification, when the voltage is high enough dynamo. In fact, the bombing was felt uncomfortable when the voltage reaches a certain dynamo threshold. It became clear that these pressure waves could be electrified. Electrified sound waves. Such a phenomenon would not be surprising at high voltages. I guess he was lucky because he was able to observe this phenomenon for the first time.


He asked questions. How and why the charge jumped out of line in such a strange way? There has been a phenomenon that has not been described by any of the texts, which were familiar to this day. He knew all that was written about electricity. Thinking that he was the victim of a hidden, and possibly a dead short circuit, he quickly examined the design chain. However, despite searching, leaks were detected. There was simply no way for the appearance of the effect of the crown, the origins of which lie in the switch, which he held in his hands.


He decided to be isolated structure to eliminate all the possible leakage line and then repeated the experiment. Knife switch again quickly sank and rose again, and he felt bad shots, as painful as before. Right through the glass shield! Now, he was stumped. He wanted the full distance from the machine and began to modify the system again to make it "automatic."


Finally, he was free to walk around the room during the test. He could not hold a shield, or just walking without it. Small rotary spark gap switch-set instead of manual knife-switch. Rotary switch was made so that interrupt current dynamo slow, successful intervals. The system is put into operation, the motor switch closes contacts slowly. Clank ... clank ... clank ... each contact produced in exactly the same room-filling irritation.


This time it was the most intense. Tesla could not hide from the shots, despite the distance from the device over the entire length of his great hall - the gallery. He approached with fear just to deactivate the rotary switch. What he saw, painfully watching the sparks were thick blue and white, which went straight out of line with each electric contact.


Stinging sensations were felt far beyond the end of the visible sparks. This seemed to point to the fact that their potential was much greater than the voltage applied to the line. Paradox! Charge dynamo voltage was applied with fifteen thousand volts, however, pointed to the burning sparks, electrostatic discharges exceeding two hundred fifty thousand volts. Somehow, this input current is converted into an output voltage greater potential unknown process. No natural explanation is found. No scientific explanation has not helped. There simply was not enough information about the phenomenon in order to get an answer. And Tesla knew that this was unusual. Somewhere in the heart of this action lay deep natural secret. Secrets of this kind are always open humanity to new revolutions.


Tesla considered this strange effect of multiplying the voltage on all sides. The main problem was that there was no magnetic induction. Transformers increase or decrease the voltage when the current changes. There were impulses. Changes took place during the pulses. But in the chain was a transformer. There was no wire close enough that there is a magnetic induction. Without the magnetic induction is theoretically impossible to get a transforming effect. Impossible transformation from low to high voltage. Still, each comprising brought the blue and white sparks and their painful stings.


FOCUS


High current pulses produced hitherto unknown effect of floor heating. In fact, there has been a electrical "retransmission" effect of the application of which in a myriad of different designs Tesla isolated from all inventors. The effect of a new electric power became the most outstanding discoveries of great historical significance. In spite of this, only a few scientists recognized its importance. By focusing on the works of Maxwell dogmatiziruyuschih, scientists could not prevent the exciting discovery Tesla. Institutions have argued that the effect of Tesla could not exist. They insisted that Tesla rewrote his statement.


Tesla's mysterious effects could not be predicted by Maxwell, because Maxwell did not detect them in formulating his equations. How could he do that if the phenomenon was just discovered? Now Tesla was considering scientific applications of this new effect. Now what other electrical phenomena, which are not invested in Maxwell's laws of force? Will scientists ignore their existence? Will they even deny the possibility of such phenomena on the basis of incomplete mathematical descriptions?


Seeing that the effects can bring to mankind great opportunities as soon as they can learn, wanted to study Tesla Radiant electric effect and apply it in a much more secure environment. The first step he took, before proceeding with this pilot line was the creation of special grounded copper barriers: shields to protect themselves from exposure to electrical emanations
These were the size of the mantle body of a relatively thin layer of copper. He ground them, to see if the own safety. Expressed in terms of electrical, he formed a "Faraday cage" around. This design allows you to block any kind of static charges during the tests. He could simultaneously observe and write what he saw with confidence.
While at this copper mantle, Tesla began experimenting. ZZZZ ... connected to the motor switch wire dynamo interrupted several hundred times per second, but stun all continued. He felt a constant rhythm of electrostatic stimulation directly through the mantle, accompanied by pressure waves, which continued to increase. It's impossible. No electrical stimulation could not go through the amount of copper, which was made of a shield. However, this effect was thrusting energy, electrically shocking and oppressive. He had no words to describe this aspect of the new discovery. Injections were really burning.


Tesla was convinced that this was his new discovery will create an entirely new kind of inventions, and if his master limited. Its effect is completely different from those observed in high-frequency alternating current. These features, radiant sparks were the result of irreversible ramjet pulses. In effect, this effect was based on the irreversibility of these pulse bursts. Quick Contact powerful dynamo charging aroused great interest, what was not capable of any generator. There was a demonstration of the transmission of electricity.


Most scientists and engineers are defined in their points of view on Nikola Tesla and his discoveries. They seem fixated on the idea that the scope of his experimental work was limited electricity AC. This misconception can be detected by a thorough study of the patents. Few recognize documented fact that after working with the AC was completed, Tesla switched to the study of pulsed current. His patents from this period to the end of his career, full of terminology, operating exclusively concepts pulses.


The secret lay principally in the application of direct current in a short time. Tesla studied the increase in this interval, believing that may be able to eliminate the pain, shortening the period of time when the contact occurred. In a crazy amount of experimentation, he developed a rapid mechanical rotary switches that are capable of withstanding very high constant potentials. Each contact lasted one ten second.


Exposing themselves to such impulses of very low power, to his delight and surprise, he found that the pain is almost gone. In its place was a strange effect of pressure that was felt immediately across the border barrier. The increase in power did not allow an increase in pain, but to give the country an increase in the pressure field. The result is simply interrupt the DC high-voltage potential was fenoemen, which had not previously reported, except for the witnesses of lightning in the area. However, it was mistakenly attributed to the effects of pressure in the air.


At first, unable to explain their nature, Tesla also took a conservative phenomenon pressure to the pressure of air waves. He first announced that the field of pressure was due to acute air sound waves that suddenly appeared from the charged line. In fact, he wrote about it in his little-known publication in which he first announced his discovery. Calling electric effect "electrified sound waves", he described them in terms of features bombarding acoustics.


However, further experiments are gradually brought a new awareness that both electric stinging and oppressive effects do not occur in the air at all. He demonstrated that these effects take place to be immersed in oil. Impulse bit lines have been placed in the mineral little and thoroughly investigated. Manifestation of strong pressure coming out with sharp edges in the oil as if the air using a high pressure.


Tesla first believed that this thread has been the absorption of air is due to the electric pressure. Long repetition of the phenomenon convinced him that the stream was not air at all. In the future, it's not that he could not explain the effect, but he tried not to mention his own explanation for the fact that the high-voltage direct-flow worked out impulses.


Tesla performed electrical measurements of the projected flow. One end of the galvanometer was connected to a copper plate, and the other is grounded. When the pulses were applied to the line wires disconnected, located at a distance measuring device recorded the DC. The current through space without wires! This was something achieved pulses and which did not observed with any frequency currents.


Analysis of the situation showed that the electrical energy or electrical energy projected from the productive unit pulses as rays, not waves. Tesla was surprised to find these rays is consistent in its effect through space, describing them in one of his patents, the term "like light rays." These observations were confirmed by theoretical expectations described by Kelvin in 1854.


In another article Tesla calls them "dark rays" and "rays, which behave more like a light." Rays did not decrease with increasing distance from the source.
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Dave45 on January 29, 2013, 12:07:06 AM
Magnetic grid
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/9656-electric-field-magnet-43.html#post223133
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: wattsup on January 31, 2013, 06:44:50 AM
@ismael_34

Thank you very much for your post. I have prepared a post for @MH and @others so I will post it and then you may see some answers in there that Tesla maybe did not consider at the time. I have a lot to say bout DC and AC but starting with a battery and short circuit was the best place to start and your post is just right on the subject. Thanks again.

@MH and @all

Thanks again for your comments. As I said before, it is like gold bars being pulled from the EE perspective shelf, but we have to assume that not all gold is 99% pure and therefore we have to question everything. There is a sort of categorical assumption wanting to say "That's just the way it is - accept it and move on".

I did not really want to delve that much on @TK's HV wire burst because I have no way right now to video the same event in high speed, thus I have no way to confirm the actual effect. I will get around to that eventually. I have to see it happen.

What I would prefer is to concentrate on my last post and images of the 14 awg wire. As I have shown, the energy dispersion on the wire is not homogenous as one would expect if electricity was traveling in one direction as we have seen so many times in animations. This basic notion does not make any sense at all if you compare this to anything else we know about electricity and magnetism.

Look here at this video explaining the present EE standard of "current flow".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Oul4S2wfCk

What I am trying to do is go beyond this and ask some pointed questions and try to find somewhere where the standard EE is proven to a level that is irrefutable. So far I have not found anything. All I see is the standard "accept this as we tell you and don't ask questions". Seems like another form of religion where we are asked to believe in something that is unseen, unheard, unobservable but regardless of the great lack of evidence, you must believe this is how it works when you see it on the scope or through your volt meter.

So maybe we all need to tip our perspective a little to the middle of the road here and play the midway advocates. I know it is not easy but just consider that all those that came before us were not Gods. They were all people that had the same limitations as you and I and they all tried to make heads or tales of the EE phenomena in a way that they could wrap their brains around and produce a working society. EE works, regardless of how it is really working, it works, so I think this is the main hold back to advancing or if that is not the right word, going deeper into the actual function of electricity.

Example: Consider with an open mind that the magnetic field (MF) present around an energized coil is produced in one of two ways.

1) The MF is produced by the coils ability to expel internal magnetic flux.

Or...

2) The MF is produced by the coils ability to attract and concentrate exterior magnetic flux.

So..... the MF can come from inside the coil going outwards or from outside the coil going inwards.

Now you can go through all the known EE standards and in all cases, both of these possible MF reasons will always be valid. But EE only considers the first when curiously the second one will explain much more of the EE phenomena if you are looking to work in OU.

Put it this way, right now there is no generalized OU device in the world. One day there will be. On that day and thereafter, a new EE phenomena called OU will be introduced to the the EE standard and EE guys will have to wrap their heads around it or become EE dinosaurs or Level 1 functionals. But the guys doing OU research right now need to wrap their heads around it before it is realized. That's what researchers do. So to be totally honest with the eventual OU phenomena, guys needs to think in what I would call "Bimodal EE (or BEE for short)". If you are a standard die-hard EEer, there is no point working in OU. Why would you? It's impossible, or is it? That is the question. hehehe

Question: #1

You have a toroidal core. You wrap two primaries of 180 degrees on the coil. Then you wrap two secondaries, one over each primary. So you pulse the primary. Why is it that the outer wrapped secondary,

- that is layered  further from the core then the primary, and,
- that has an energized primary between the secondary and the core, and,
- in which the primary is actually working like a quasi cloaking device between the secondary and the core,

... can this secondary coil still output impressed power. Where did that power come from?

Did it come from the primary expelling a field into the core that then goes back outwards through the primary to transfer to the secondary plus the fact that the primary will also expel directly into the secondary, or, is it because the primary is energized over the core making the primary seem to have more energized mass drawing in more ether towards the primary and core to produce a MF that transfers onto the secondary that is conveniently wrapped on the outside, so first in line to the impress. Both effects 1 and 2 would be valid in the way we see coil exchange occur.

So again here the flux origin can come from choice 1 or 2. So why are we all dumbed down on one possibility when there really exists two? Both just as plausible and both can comply with already achieved EE standards. Who knows, there could even be a third or fourth possibility.

Think of any effect you have done and both 1 or 2 is plausible. Sometimes the theory finds only one possibility as a source, but sometimes the theory will find two. If our present EE is based on the first theory and it has gotten us this far, then maybe the second will get us even further.

I am not talking about changing EE standards for students looking to work in electronics to design the next iPod. I am talking about expanding the EE standards for OUers only. They are the ones who will push to the next level. The rest of the world does not have to bother with BEE and can continue to live and work in the uni-directional safe zone. BEE will give guys more perspectives and tools to push their experiments more out of the box.

I am not even asking you yourself to espouse the BEE method or call it what you want. Some will call it Bull I know, but that's OK too. If the bull comes from a smart reflection, great. If it comes from malice, not great, but that's the way forums go. Anyways, I am just calling it BEE to give it some form.

Consider that most present technology is, to a good extent, doomed by its past. We say we walk on the shoulders of great men but we also run with their mistakes and oversights and darn trickery. They were not perfect then and we are not perfect today.

When the first coil was energized and the compass needle moved, someone first decided that the effect was caused by a field expelled by the coil. On that same day, if that same person said instead that the energized coil attracts or causes an over concentration of Ambient Ether Field (AEF), we would all have thought today that the coils field comes from outside the coil going inwards.

Before a coil is energized it is like a rock, or a piece of metal or anything else matter can make. Once it is energized it comes alive and this attracts the ether around it to compress more on the source of this energization. Do you realize how this impacts coil winding strategies. hehehe

But there is so much more. We are not only fighting to work against our own ignorance but we must realize we are also have to fight against a new world order that will keep us ignorant at all cost.

Thinking of the post made by @ismael_34, Tesla had a damn hard time trying to figure out why he was getting spiked even when the short was inside a Faraday cage. How is it possible? So what if the spike comes from outside the cage going towards the shorting impact and passes through everything in line of sight including anyone standing remotely near the impact source. Tesla was so adamant that the spikes came from the source and this was his only consideration while ether was trying to tell him "hey man, look behind you".

Question: You have the power of the gods in your hand. You are out in space where there is no star to be seen. With the flick of your finger (or the twitch of your nose) you create a gigantic star from nothing then into existence. Enumerate all the forces this will create and effects it will have in the stars vicinity. Can these forces correlate with Tesla creating a sudden gigantic spark. Can a spark be considered a fledgling star? Can an energized coil be considered a fledgling spark. So can an energized coil be considered the first step towards becoming a star attracting to it so much ether energy. Throughout most all of the universe we have ether just waiting to pounce on any sign of life. We have ether in us. We are all only 2% away from being ether. We are alive. We take totally inanimate objects and energize them and we change that ether neglecting object into an ether attracting powerhouse. One little coil was always off and as soon as it is on, it receives ethers undivided attention.

I saw this the other day and realized a connection. Consider it is winter and a frozen icicle that is stuck to your car. You are driving around and the icicle will not fall or melt or weaken. The damn thing is stubbornly holding on to that fender and away you go. I realized that the faster the car goes, the colder the icicle gets and the harder it holds in place. I saw this on so many cars while driving to work and was just amazed that the winter cold was always surrounding the icicle and giving it strength to withstand its perilous travels. I was even rooting for them. We are the icicle and our cold is ether.

I'll stop here or this post can go with 200 more lines easy.

More to come.

wattsup
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Gwandau on January 31, 2013, 10:57:41 PM
Excellent post, wattsup.
 
Your point of view is exactly what is needed to ascend to a higher level of understanding, and this "outside the box" project of yours is truly inspiring.
 
Mankind quite naturally tend to base the initial interpretation of any observed phenomenon by relating it to our "database" of common sensory input, but the appearance of anything observed is bound to change with perspective. So what seems like solid facts on one level naturally will appear as incorrect information seen from a wider perspective. And the beauty of it all is that there is no final truth, there is no end to understanding in an infinite universe.

If our present EE is based on the first theory and it has gotten us this far, then maybe the second will get us even further.

This is what it is all about.

Gwandau
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: MileHigh on February 01, 2013, 05:58:29 AM
Wattsup:

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What I would prefer is to concentrate on my last post and images of the 14 awg wire. As I have shown, the energy dispersion on the wire is not homogenous as one would expect if electricity was traveling in one direction as we have seen so many times in animations. This basic notion does not make any sense at all if you compare this to anything else we know about electricity and magnetism.

Not sure why you would say that the energy dispersion in the wire is not homogenous.

With respect to your comments about coils and magnetic fields, it all stems from what a magnetic field looks like around a wire with DC current going though it.  A coil is just an extension of that concept.  The simplest inductor is just a small piece of straight wire.

In engineering, you can often work with slight abstractions.  Yes a coil can produce a magnetic field or react to an external magnetic field.  But for energy accounting purposes, we realized that all you need to know is the inductance value and the current flow through an inductor to work with it and use it.  Just like people never talk about the electric field associated with a capacitor and the collapse of the electric field as the capacitor discharges.

Then you factor in the fact that we discovered that in Nature energy and power are always associated with the product of two variables.  So we have two electrical variables, and two variables for various physical systems, and so on.  So it turns out that Nature is acting the same way energy-wise for different "energy systems."  They are so similar that it's uncanny.  We figure the same thing is the reality throughout the Universe.

So with this perspective, one of the points of view might be to look at how these two variables interact and try to see if there might be any remarkable differences with other energy systems and without wanting to split quantum hairs, they are not different.

And perhaps to distill this down and crystalise it down to a simple example, the coil behaving just like a flywheel.  So you can imagine a flywheel spinning up and spinning down, no magic there.  You can see and feel it and there is no surprise in how it behaves.

Now, here is a simple test to see if you can visualize this:  Thing of the main coil in a Bedini motor (not the pick-up coil).  How do you visualize a flywheel acting like the coil in a Bedini motor acts?

Again, as a reminder, we are concerned with power and energy, and we are not concerned at all about the magnetic field.  Instead of worrying about the magnetic field, we use the measure of current flow instead because that's tangible and we can measure it and the current flow and the magnetic are inextricably linked to each other and are essentially the same thing.

So can anybody answer the question?  It's important to stress this is not some stupid pop quiz.  If you are interested in electronic circuits and energy then you should be able to visualize this.  And if you can indeed visualize this then it may help demystify this notion that coils are "aether antennas" or however you want to term it.

Finally, nobody is suggesting that you don't take your intellectual journey as per the theme of this thread.  But you will be that much wiser if you can look at a Bedini motor and visualize what Nature is doing on an electrical level.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: wattsup on February 04, 2013, 09:00:12 PM
@MH

Thanks for your comments. Let me answer them in your post in bold.

Wattsup:

Not sure why you would say that the energy dispersion in the wire is not homogenous.

You are right, I did not put more precision because of post lengths. Not homogeneous in the first instance before the wire becomes completely hot. I am not looking for the hot part but the build up before the hot part. If electricity is moving from a to b at XX speed, so fast, then I should not have seen any build up because of the speed and just seen a blackening going from left to right, not a blackening as we see from both ends towards the center. If action is reaction then the wire is telling us exactly what is going on.

With respect to your comments about coils and magnetic fields, it all stems from what a magnetic field looks like around a wire with DC current going though it.  A coil is just an extension of that concept.  The simplest inductor is just a small piece of straight wire.

In engineering, you can often work with slight abstractions.  Yes a coil can produce a magnetic field or react to an external magnetic field.  But for energy accounting purposes, we realized that all you need to know is the inductance value and the current flow through an inductor to work with it and use it.  Just like people never talk about the electric field associated with a capacitor and the collapse of the electric field as the capacitor discharges.

I know all about that, but the simple wire being a coil is going to do the same thing the simple wire does and that is with battery DC, it will advance from both polarities into the center of the coil (blotch). The blotch itself is the result of two advancing polarities canceling themselves. For pulsing, this provides so many new ways of thinking about coils. It is not merely positive to negative or negative to positive but negative and positive to blotch. Once this perspective becomes more known and experiments are designed in that line of thinking, maybe we can win against what I have already called "Half Coil Syndrome". The syndrome is because of the perspective because if you realize this perspective, you will start working out coiling to counter it. This is good for OUers.  .


Then you factor in the fact that we discovered that in Nature energy and power are always associated with the product of two variables.  So we have two electrical variables, and two variables for various physical systems, and so on.  So it turns out that Nature is acting the same way energy-wise for different "energy systems."  They are so similar that it's uncanny.  We figure the same thing is the reality throughout the Universe.

So with this perspective, one of the points of view might be to look at how these two variables interact and try to see if there might be any remarkable differences with other energy systems and without wanting to split quantum hairs, they are not different.

And perhaps to distill this down and crystalise it down to a simple example, the coil behaving just like a flywheel.  So you can imagine a flywheel spinning up and spinning down, no magic there.  You can see and feel it and there is no surprise in how it behaves.

The only reason we see the product of two variables is that we use volt meters that can only see the potential difference between any two points. This gives us absolutely no way of knowing what is really going on inside our systems in a visual or intuitive sense. We spend our days talking about voltage and current. It feels like we are doctors of the King working in the dark ages. We check what the king eats and what the king expels to consider his current state of health. But be have no idea whatsoever what is really going on inside the Kings' body. Volts and amps. We have a defintiion for them but both these definitions are so counter intuitive that they may as well be a totally foreign concept because most guys just cannot wrap their heads around it in a pragmatic way. What I would like to do in these threads in give some bulk to these notions, give them some character. You know when something is wrong and you cannot put your finger on the cause of so many problems and then, one day the linking solution dawns on you and you start to see everything just falls into place. This is where I am at right now and I will try to explain these slowly so each aspect can take its rightful place in a fully conceptualized working of electricity. I do not see a coil behaving like a flywheel because the coil is just a wire and if the wire cannot act like a flywheel why should the coil?

The way I see electricity in a wire is so different to present day accepted concepts because I need to see it in my minds eye interacting in the wire or coil and present day concepts just create so much cloudiness that guys just try to accept things as they are purported.

The way I see electricity in a wire is simple and has to do with each and every atom inside the copper mass making up this linear copper or other conductive ridden object. So I will say some here as a preamble because this concept needs to be so well described that I am not really ready to explain it in a totally dumbed down manner.

To just get some idea, consider that the copper atom is a magnet so your wire is chock full of tiny magnets. Now think of each magnet (atom) as being suspended in a gyroscopic mechanism that is comprised of their outer shell electrons which hold each atom in a three dimensional physical space between all other atoms that are dong the same.

So let's just say you had five magnets and for our sake here, each magnet is placed in a gyroscopic mechanism and all five are tightly held together so each magnet can move in any degree or angle. When the magnets are at rest they are all aligned to the Earth field. But now I approach one of the end magnets with a much larger magnet in my hand and as this larger magnet comes near the 1st magnet, the 1st magnet starts to turn towards my hand held magnet and this makes the 2nd, 3rd 4th and 5th magnets turn as well. It is as if once the first magnet turns, the others follow right away in kind. Now when I change the hand held magnet to point with the other polarity the 5 magnets turn in the opposite way in succession. By changing the hand held magnets pointing polarity the 5 magnets are reacting in kind and when it is done in the right cadence, the 5 magnets start turning and turning. Now think that I have a second held held magnet in my other hand that I approach to the 5th magnet side. So I turn the 1st magnet side CW and the 5th magnet side CCW. Now the 1st and 2nd magnets are turning CW and the 4th and 5th magnets are turning CCW and the 3rd magnet located in the center is not turning at all. In a nutshell, for me, this is what is happening inside our wires and coils.

The hand held magnets are our power sources and these power sources just make our wire atoms turn and turn by what I simply call  "Spin Conveyance" (SC). If you Google "spin convenyance", you fill not find much so this confirms to me that this is new enough.

By this visualization, voltage is simply the speed of spin and amperage is the number of atoms that are actually spinning in the conveyance. This simply means that if you have a thick wire and you apply a thin wire to it as a power source, only the diameter of the thin wire will be spinning in the thick wire since the thin wire regulates the maximum amperage available to the thick wire, and the voltage of the thin source wire will regulate the speed of spin of the copper atoms. When I look at electricity in this manner, ever effect in OU or standard EE all starts making so much sense.

Voltage = Speed of SC,
Amperage = Percentage of conductive mass in conveyance.

This explains much more directly why.....

Wire heats up - spin creates friction,
Coil losses - spin engenders slippage.

Everything we deal with regarding the generation of electricity involves spin. We take an inner rotor magnet and an outer stator coil. The magnet turns and turns and turns. At each turn of the rotor, the atoms inside the stator spin to agree with the changing rotor polarities. The speed of spin (voltage) and the strength (amperage) of spin are available at the ends of each stator coil as a power source or atomic spin source. When we connect a coil to that power source now the atoms in the coil are spinning as well. If we put a light bulb on the power source, both leads are spinning one CW and the other CCW and the filament in the center receives both spin directions and creates friction and light.

All we are doing is transferring atomic spin momentum via SC and all our effects can be explained by this one simple attribute of electricity.

Some will ask, if electricity is SC, how can you explain the diode. Well the diode no longer becomes our favorite analog as a check-valve. It changes to become a one way ratchet. Since the one way ratchet can only turn in one direction, this creates the illusion of being like a check valve that perpetuates the illusion of electricity as having a single directionality. Several times in past posts I have eluded to why we only have positive diodes when electricity should also be controlled with negative diodes since if you can make a one way ratchet turning CW, you can also make one that will turn CCW.

Wow, sounds like the crazy ranting of a madman, but then why does it all fit into what we see.

Now, here is a simple test to see if you can visualize this:  Thing of the main coil in a Bedini motor (not the pick-up coil).  How do you visualize a flywheel acting like the coil in a Bedini motor acts?

Again, as a reminder, we are concerned with power and energy, and we are not concerned at all about the magnetic field.  Instead of worrying about the magnetic field, we use the measure of current flow instead because that's tangible and we can measure it and the current flow and the magnetic are inextricably linked to each other and are essentially the same thing.

So can anybody answer the question?  It's important to stress this is not some stupid pop quiz.  If you are interested in electronic circuits and energy then you should be able to visualize this.  And if you can indeed visualize this then it may help demystify this notion that coils are "aether antennas" or however you want to term it.

At this stage of the thread I do not think it is time to actually look at a given device. There are so many more effects to understand in a stand alone way before we can start looking at a complete system. I don't think Bedini knows enough about electricity himself to teach us how to get to the next level. I myself may be wrong in the above but I am exercising the level of out-of-the box thinking always being concerned with the theory being correlative to the observations we already see in our effects. Bedini will not teach us this, It will only confuse the issues I am trying to discuss here as I am trying to offer not "The Way" but a practical way of thinking out of the box. Bedini will only offer you a way to get to his level of present day checkmate and that is not where I want to go with this.

Finally, nobody is suggesting that you don't take your intellectual journey as per the theme of this thread.  But you will be that much wiser if you can look at a Bedini motor and visualize what Nature is doing on an electrical level.

Phew, I am glad to read your last sentence as this is not easy for me to open up. I am not saying I am 100% right or wrong. Guys in the future will know more about this then I ever will but I only want here to be able to at least point to a different horizon and walk towards that hilltop. These new ideas will maybe help get across what Tesla may not have been able to get across at his time. When DC was the ruling force, it must have been very troublesome for Tesla to introduce the idea of AC as a better method of mass electricity generation. Since DC and AC, we have nothing. I am sure Tesla was never 100% satisifed with AC and that is why his later works involved so many other disciplines as being his untendered way of looking for something more intuitive. 

MileHigh
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More to come.

wattsup



Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: MileHigh on February 05, 2013, 06:16:54 AM
Hey Wattsup:

You certainly have an interesting theory and good luck running with it.  You know how hard-core intellectual mathematicians spend months and months developing theories and mathematical proofs to solve all sorts of theoretical mathematical problems.  It's a big deal.

I am too tired to comment on your posting but I will later.

But just for fun here are two classic circuitry examples for you to ponder with respect to your model and how it fits in.

You have two ideal inductors of equal value.  Imagine one has one ampere of DC current circulating through it, and we put a ground reference on the left terminal of this coil.  Call it "coil1."  So the coil is in a closed loop with one amp of current flowing through it.  Initially the second coil is simply disconnected.  Then imagine then we add the second coil in series with the first coil, we "switch it in" to the single ideal coil circuit instantly.  So we have this:  Ground - coil1 - coil2 - back to ground.  Also, there is no magnetic coupling at all between the two coils.  In the real world on the bench you put the two coils at right angles to each other to have near-zero coupling.  Before and after the spike the voltage at the junction point is zero volts.

What happens at the the moment the "switch in" happens?  The answer is that the current instantly drops to 0.7071 amp (for ideal coils).  And the potential measured at the connection point between the two coils goes infinitely high for an infinitely short amount of time.

With non-ideal coils in a real-world circuit on the bench, the current will also nearly instantly drop to perhaps a little bit less than 0.7071 amp.  At the connection point between the two coils, the voltage will shoot up in a spike to hundreds or perhaps even thousands of volts.  The pulse width will be very narrow, and the higher the voltage spike, the narrower the pulse will be.

Anyway, that might be interesting for you to contemplate with respect to your theoretical model!

MileHigh
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: MileHigh on February 06, 2013, 06:28:33 AM
Wattsup:

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Not homogeneous in the first instance before the wire becomes completely hot. I am not looking for the hot part but the build up before the hot part. If electricity is moving from a to b at XX speed, so fast, then I should not have seen any build up because of the speed and just seen a blackening going from left to right, not a blackening as we see from both ends towards the center. If action is reaction then the wire is telling us exactly what is going on.

Each end of the wire is attached to a large mass of metal acting as a heat sink.  So the heat being produced in the ends of the wire is flowing into the set of heatsinks.  That explains the blackening from both ends towards the center.  The center of the wire is farthest away from the heatsinks so it gets hotter.  So the wire itself is dissipating even heat all along the wire.

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the simple wire being a coil is going to do the same thing the simple wire does and that is with battery DC, it will advance from both polarities into the center of the coil (blotch). The blotch itself is the result of two advancing polarities canceling themselves.

This is probably a whole other discussion.  There is no Bloch wall in an air coil or solid-filled coil or a bar magnet.  I don't know if your model expects this but if it does then you have a problem if you accept what I am saying.  This one is a quite popular misconception.

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We have a defintiion for them but both these definitions are so counter intuitive that they may as well be a totally foreign concept because most guys just cannot wrap their heads around it in a pragmatic way.

That's where the mechanical analogies can come into play to help visualize and understand but unfortunately you don't seem to want to go there.  It's all quite clear to me.

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I do not see a coil behaving like a flywheel because the coil is just a wire and if the wire cannot act like a flywheel why should the coil?

It's the empty space within and around the coil that is like an invisible flywheel.  They behave identically to each other if you take an appropriate frame of reference for each case.

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Wire heats up - spin creates friction,
Coil losses - spin engenders slippage.

I am surprised that you say this.  When you say "coil losses" don't you mean the resistive losses in the coil?  That would be the same as the wire heating up, no?

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Some will ask, if electricity is SC, how can you explain the diode.

It's holes and electrons being pushed around by the electric field on the dance floor.  If the electric field goes one way, the holes and electrons are like wall flowers on opposite sides of room.  If the electric field goes the other way, then the electrons and the holes race towards each other and annihilate each other at the center of the dance floor like some sort of insane mosh pit.

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Wow, sounds like the crazy ranting of a madman, but then why does it all fit into what we see.

I love "B" and "D" schlocky sci-fi and exploitation movies from the 50s and 60s.  Check out the Internet Movie Database Bottom 100.

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When DC was the ruling force, it must have been very troublesome for Tesla to introduce the idea of AC as a better method of mass electricity generation.

Edison pushed for his crappy DC because he wanted to make money off of it.  I seem to recall that he also didn't even understand AC.  Thinner wires are cheaper wires and AC won.

Good luck with the model and the intellectual journey.  You know what Bette Davis said.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: wattsup on February 11, 2013, 04:31:15 PM
@MH

Thanks again for your comments. I will be talking about series coils soon enough but we are not there yet. I am afraid I have not been a good host these days because of work and family overload.

Please understand that what I am trying to do is like putting an image covered with many blank cards on the table and taking out one card at a time to show more of the image. It is hard to get the complete picture at this stage. Once I get through the other effects, it should start making sense to many.

I am not asking you to espouse anything here but your sounding board is fantastic. I know it is intellectually hard to take grasp of and for you to post but you are not obliged. It is very challenging for me as well and very energy consuming because I usually reread my posts a good 10 times. I can take this along slowly as she goes and whenever you feel like it, please let's talk more. I will not always reply to your comments to not break the flow but your interjections are very welcome at all times.

@all

I am looking at this in the sense that I am looking for over unity. The Standard EE Model (or SEEM for short) has no room for OU at this time. Not even on the top dusty shelf of the EE archives. So what I am looking for is why and where in the SEEM should there be a place for OU. To do that, you need to turn over every leaf, every shred and ask yourself why is it like that. While you do that, you will start to develop a critical thinking mode to correlate out of the box ideas. It is only out of the box that we will find OU.

How many centuries had man thought the world was flat. We still survived, we still advanced and when it was found to be round, we just kept on advancing from there (maybe not always in a good way). So how long will we be in the SEEM, it's up to us and the questions we ask and the logic we employ, but one day it will happen.

The one wire on a battery, as stupid as it sounds, is how DC works. DC is not AC. DC works on both sides of the coil. You can short a wire 1000 times and it will tell you the same story each time. So we make coils and pulse them on one side. We measure the voltage and see scope waveforms all based on differential potential. But looking at coils as differential potential will not lead to OU because it keeps you stuck in the SEEM. But what other tools do we have to see what is going on in our coils. We have our brains and our perspective that already plays for 50% of the SEEM because even if you work by that model you still have to use your own imagination as to what is going on in your coils.

All I am showing is that there is a perfectly feasible other method that holds the sames values on our instruments but expands your choices of experimentation. If you never realize or consider that maybe ether enters the coil to produce the magnetic field and not the other way around, then  how will you think of making OU devices with more secondary. There are no accidents in nature. Everything has a reason and ether needs a good reason to pile onto your secondaries. So how do you call ether in and how can you trick it to think there is more happening.

If the Ether Pile On Model (or EPOM for short) that I am trying to develop has any truth to it, it will apply to all energy sources including our sun. Imagine all the energy interactions in our sun are so intense and complex that the EPOM delimits a solar system. All that ether is already precondensed for us because of our sun. So imagine your coil is a fledgling sun, a seed for a star, a caller of ether that you use as bait to trap in more ether then you need. So you devise your baits and devise your nets to catch the ether feed in so many other ways.

Parallel and series, end tap or center tap, single set or multiple set, all devises fall into these categories. With the EPOM, ether will follow all of them as we are doing now but not all will produce OU as we are realizing. Right now we are in the primary/secondary type. If the DC model of + and - forward is correct, you will never get OU with only a primary and a secondary any more then the sun could work with two beats. That is where the SEEM stops and EPOM should start. We have to start expanding our coils in multiple primaries to confuse the heck out of the ether so it piles on more to the extreme. There is no other way. You can pulse the frequencies all you want, if you use a peanut, you will be left with the shell.

Coil winding example - mutli primary toroid.

Let's go to the extreme. Take a toroid core and calculate the wire diameter required to make 360 turns to complete a one layer wind over the entire core. Now wind the primaries in 3 to 4 turns each so you get 80 to 120 primaries all in parallel. Or take the same toroid and wire diameter but wind 360 primaries of 4 turns wound in pancake mode (very difficult to do - I have never seen this done). Now that is out of the box for a primary. Now wind your secondary any way you want to output for more volts or for more amps or a mix of both. Now imagine those primaries being in parallel will be able to handle much more energy growth then if you only used one 10 turn primary that will never be able to increase as the output refeeds the source. The primary is the most important coil because it has to start the process and be strong enough to grow with the processing. The 360 turns is just an example to explain the notion of multiple primaries.  If the flux in the toroid has a turning effect, then the primary all around the core will ensure this to be constant throughout the core. Maybe the ether will see this event as a potential runaway energy anomaly and decide to pile on a larger field presence. This is how to play with ether. It's like going fishing. Find the right spot and use the right bait and the fish will go crazy. Well, not always with Walleye. hehehe

The secondary could be five mag wires wound 360 degrees around the core as one or more layers and paralleled to increase the amperage output. You can put the primary and the core inside a plastic donut shape and wind the secondary on the donut so it is not skin close to the primary layer. This will give some space for the flyback field release.

There is so much more I have to say so you can understand how to drive such a coiling technique and what I mean by flyback field release.

Put it this way. If the EPOM is valid and the field comes from outside the coil, then on pulse off the field is released and will never collapse back into the coil. First of all, can anyone explain what the SEEM is for field collapse. The field that is on the outside of the coil, re-enters the coil when the pulse is off. So what is the step by step mechanism for the field to do that. I have never heard of a more wishful theory then that but this is what the SEEM purports to happen and we hear guys saying this everyday. The field just zaps back into the coil and creates this huge voltage jump. Wow, talk about a well trained field. No way man. That is not possible because for the field to do that, for the field to fall inwards like that, you would require a black hole that sucks in everything around it.

It would be like saying when you exhale cigarette smoke, as soon as you stop exhaling the smoke re-enters your mouth. If this was true then one cigarette should last a lifetime.

Next post will be on biased and non-biased pulsing that will explain the field collapse misnomer and how re-biased spin conveyance may be the reason we have flyback or as some wrongly call the supposed "field collapse" as being BEMF.

wattsup

Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: MileHigh on February 14, 2013, 02:37:44 AM
Wattsup:

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First of all, can anyone explain what the SEEM is for field collapse. The field that is on the outside of the coil, re-enters the coil when the pulse is off. So what is the step by step mechanism for the field to do that.

I'll just give you the mundane explanation.

The field is not on the "outside" of the coil.  It's both inside and outside the coil like the familiar bar magnet field pattern.  The field does not "re-enter" the coil when the field collapses.  The field will diminish and decrease in strength as the field collapses.

So on the most basic level if you had magic glasses that allowed you to see the field, as it collapsed it would look something like a glow that decreases in brightness until it eventually disappears.  The glow is brightest inside the coil.

If a coil is a closed circuit the field sustains itself and does not go away.  If you insert a resistance into the loop of the coil then the field will start to collapse.  The larger the value of the resistance, the faster the  field collapses.

When you observe the spike of voltage, it's a secondary effect that is driven by the primary effect of the collapsing field and equivalent decreasing current flow.

And the root diving mechanism behind all of this is to never forget that the coil and it's associated magnetic field/current flow is an energy storage mechanism that takes work/energy to "fire up" and will then release that work/energy in a "burn" if there is a load.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: mondrasek on February 18, 2013, 06:46:10 PM
The field is not on the "outside" of the coil.  It's both inside and outside the coil like the familiar bar magnet field pattern.  The field does not "re-enter" the coil when the field collapses.  The field will diminish and decrease in strength as the field collapses.

So on the most basic level if you had magic glasses that allowed you to see the field, as it collapsed it would look something like a glow that decreases in brightness until it eventually disappears.  The glow is brightest inside the coil.

MH, don't we need to consider the collapsing field as "moving" back to the coil?  It has to move to satisfy the fact that it will generate a current in a secondary stationary "pickup" coil.  Ultimately it collapses down to nothing and so does not still exist within the coil.  But are not magnetic field lines moving to and from the surface of the conductor when the coil energizes and de-energizes?
 
M.
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: MileHigh on February 19, 2013, 12:35:19 AM
Mondrasek:

The magnetic field does not "move" to generate current in a separate pick-up coil.   It would be more appropriate to state that the pick-up coil is infused with the emanated field from the main coil.  That means by definition the pick-up coil is "watching" the main coil for changes in the magnetic field.  If the pick-up coil "sees" a change due to changes happening in the main coil it will then react.

In real electronics language the pick-up coil will react to changes in external magnetic flux that pass through the loop defined by the pick-up coil.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: wattsup on February 21, 2013, 01:36:08 PM
@mondrasek

Goods questions.

These are the kind of questions to ask and understand.

If @MH is correct, then throw out all your coils because they will never produce OU.

If the EPOM is correct, then work the coils in different new arrangements and test variables.

Here is a sample I am testing. hehehe

wattsup
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: Doug1 on February 21, 2013, 07:53:37 PM
Wattsup
  Have you tested a core in which the magntic MMF is moved around the core in one direction only yet? Meaning no reversal, always pumped forward.
 Ive been winding one on a alternator stator rated for a 100 amp. for use as a transformer that will be run from disk dyno using teslas mention of segmented disk with the magnet possitioned on the shaft from the book Tesla's treasures.The build out will be such that it can take an opposeing disk/magnet on the bottom of the shaft to aid as a drive motor.
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: wattsup on March 04, 2013, 02:55:11 PM
@Doug1

Sorry for the delay in responding to your question above. I have not tried that yet and have some problem visualizing how this could occur. At pulse on, the flux would appear in the core and on at off the flux would be released (not collapse but that is a contentious issue these days). The flux to "move in one direction" would be hard to achieve and even if it did "move" in open direction the flux would have to be everywhere in the core already while it moved so the secondary would not see any change but only a constant flux presence with a weak fluctuation.

What I would like to do when I have more time is to take an alternator stator, nice round and already proven secondary object and then just wind a Rodin Coil over the entire stator. I think this would be the best primary to secondary we could ever make since we already know that the alternator stator as a secondary can output up to 100 amps and 12vdc or 1200 watts of energy. The Rodin Coil is the best coil to produce the "rotational effect" as you can see in so many Rodin coil youtubes and I am sure the marriage of Rodin and stator will provide a good avenue for further experiments since the Rodin is keeping the spin in the center where the stator wants to see it. One day I will try it but I mention it here in case anyone else has some time to try it. I think the Rodin coil winding method had been long neglected in our own core winding methods and we should start experimenting in that line of thinking as well.

@all again

I am putting here a link to a youtube I made on the Diode Carousel (DC). More and more guys are making videos on their coil pulsing schemes which is great but I am afraid many are just skimming the surface of their potential results since they are not using a DC. The choice of diode can be the reason your experiments either produce great results or poor results especially when you are working with a fixed frequency circuit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj0ShZV6bhY

For those interested in the function of the Ether, there are three great videos that were mentioned I think in the TK thread. They are three Primer Fields videos part one located here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM6hxYxkaOg

This has given me some new ideas on coiling methods that would direct the Ether rather then count on direct primary to secondary coupling. hehehe

More to come.

wattsup
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: JohnnyB on April 21, 2013, 12:48:48 AM
@Doug1

Sorry for the delay in responding to your question above. I have not tried that yet and have some problem visualizing how this could occur. At pulse on, the flux would appear in the core and on at off the flux would be released (not collapse but that is a contentious issue these days). The flux to "move in one direction" would be hard to achieve and even if it did "move" in open direction the flux would have to be everywhere in the core already while it moved so the secondary would not see any change but only a constant flux presence with a weak fluctuation.

What I would like to do when I have more time is to take an alternator stator, nice round and already proven secondary object and then just wind a Rodin Coil over the entire stator. I think this would be the best primary to secondary we could ever make since we already know that the alternator stator as a secondary can output up to 100 amps and 12vdc or 1200 watts of energy. The Rodin Coil is the best coil to produce the "rotational effect" as you can see in so many Rodin coil youtubes and I am sure the marriage of Rodin and stator will provide a good avenue for further experiments since the Rodin is keeping the spin in the center where the stator wants to see it. One day I will try it but I mention it here in case anyone else has some time to try it. I think the Rodin coil winding method had been long neglected in our own core winding methods and we should start experimenting in that line of thinking as well.

@all again

I am putting here a link to a youtube I made on the Diode Carousel (DC). More and more guys are making videos on their coil pulsing schemes which is great but I am afraid many are just skimming the surface of their potential results since they are not using a DC. The choice of diode can be the reason your experiments either produce great results or poor results especially when you are working with a fixed frequency circuit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj0ShZV6bhY

For those interested in the function of the Ether, there are three great videos that were mentioned I think in the TK thread. They are three Primer Fields videos part one located here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM6hxYxkaOg

This has given me some new ideas on coiling methods that would direct the Ether rather then count on direct primary to secondary coupling. hehehe

More to come.

wattsup

Hello wattsup,

We think in very similar terms and are working on very similar designs. Theoretically if we have multiple coils in a loop and the number of coils for this example is say nine with one being the main strong primary and out of the flux loop, and others being very weak primaries we can produce a strong flux going in one direction. The main primary is to start the volume of flux moving to all the other coils and to increase the flux, magnets are added in each flux loop from the main primary to the secondary coils. All of the coils are wound in the same direction and would be energized at exactly the same time, thus the flux would be in one direction. Every coil reacting to the high volume of flux would have an increase voltage from induction from the preceding coil(s). This voltage being in reverse would produce flux in the opposite direction. Since magnetic flux follows the path of lest reluctance an alternate flux path to loop back is provided to redirect the flux to further increase the volume of flux. By now you're probably getting a fluxing headache but that's all right as I got one reading all of your posts. LOL. I omitted the resistance load at each coil for simplicity but you don't need that to understand the theory. The energy produced at each secondary/primary coil is fed back through the circuit thus a constantly increasing current maintains a zero increase in the initial voltage. At this point the return voltage produced can be pulsed and or the frequency increased to possibly harvest the ether. I hope you get over your headache. John
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: wattsup on May 17, 2013, 03:46:41 PM
@JonnyB

Thanks for your post, although I am late in responding. Interesting comments indeed.
I noticed that you have your first and only post so I guess I could be talking to a ghost by now.

@all

Here are a few problems with coils.

1) They have pri and sec winds, or they can be simply two coil windings and either can be either. But one gets a pulsing drive and we look to the other for "more" output. But the conundrum is that the primary gets energy at E and we want the sec to output energy at E x 1.01 or more. But consider this...... when or if the sec outputed more energy, it automatically becomes the pri. Yes, you read it right..... if a sec outputs more energy than the pri, it now becomes the primary. We can diode the hell out of both sides to stop this but you cannot put a diode in the transformers laminations or core materials or between the etheric coupling of the windings themselves where all this will occur. At least not as of May 17th, 2013 (as far as I know).

2) When this overunity happens, you wind up getting a hotter and hotter primary side and then, your mosfets blow up. It's as if you need to design the primary drive to the output specs. I mean that if you are designing an OU device that will input 25 watts and (hopefully) output 100 watts, the drive side needs to withstand a minimum of 100 watts if it wants to play in that ball park with that secondary. Otherwise, you are just toasting mosfets.

3) Switching is a bitch. We actually need to stop using mosfets. We need to work on a way to pulse a primary without using mosfets on that primary, either before or after, it does not matter, they will blow if you play the OU game nearing OU. Actually blown mosfets are a good sign and I have had many. hehehe

4) The way I see it is if you have a battery and take one of the leads and put it to a primary coil as lead #1, then on lead #2 of the battery you send it through a choke coil then to the other primary coil side all you will get is heat. But what if you wind a new coil over the choke and pulse that new coil to find a frequency and wattage level that acts like a blockage of energy through the choke that you can pulse, then the primary would be free to grow with the secondary until you can disconnect the battery and run off a parallel cap tank.

5) So R&D is required in possible ways to influence power going to the primary without using mosfets, relays, scrs, or whatever other discrete devices that would be in line with the primary. It does not work because if it did, your drive side would blow, and it does blow. Such a pulsing method could be called Blockage Pulsing or maybe there is already a term for it, because you would have a way to block the input without opening or closing a physical or discrete inline switch.

6) Another pulsing method would be like when you pulse one coil and hold another coil with a parallel LED near the pulsed coil and see the LED lights up, like in my Pulsing Coil youtubes. Why not replace the LED with a primary of an OU device? hehehe

So there is not only coil to coil topology but pulsing strategy that needs to be totally reworked.

7) Then comes the frequency hunting. Right now we have a drive circuit and then we put our FG to the mosfet base and start hunting for the best output that we often call the "resonant" point. But hear again something is very wrong in this method. When I put up my youtube of the diode carousel it was to show that every build has its preferred diode and the output differences are impressive indeed. But the problem goes even deeper then that.  In sweeping this one mosfet base, as I go higher and high in frequency, the actual applied energy goes lower and lower so the actual applied energy is not the same during all the sweep.

 8) I am not an EE in any standard level but here goes a simple example.

If I ask a team of top EEers to design the following circuits that can be driven by my FG and output the watts and frequency ranges as follows;

a) 100 watts, 0-5,000Hz
b) 100 watts, 5,001-25,000Hz
c) 100 watts, 25001-100,000Hz
d) 100 watts, 100,001Hz to 400,000Hz and
e) 100 watts, 400,001Hz to 1,000,000Hz

Chances are they will design 5 almost identical circuits with only the changes required to the individual components. By contrast, what we do now is use one circuit and sweep all the way up to a 1 megahertz (50Mhz in my case), expecting that the circuit will accommodate all the required changes to do the job at the same applied energy state.

So technically speaking, if you or I wanted to sweep up to 1MHz, you would need 5 circuits (or more, or less) that are switched in and out of the main circuit automatically as the frequency rises. So the advent of finding the right drive spec for any given circuit that includes coiling is so remote in the way we would consider our present "advanced" methods (one FG, one drive circuit to coiling), that we are really in the monostate of pioneering times. Once guys can figure this out, sweep pulsing for hunting purposes will have taken a major leap forward. It would be just like my diode carousel where I switch diodes while a test is running to find the best diode, it would require the same for caps, resistors, mosfets or switchers, etc, etc. With that type of flexibility, the hunting skills would be multiples greater and not the shot-in-the-dark methods we use today. This is only for R&D purposes. Once you find the right mixes, you can then work on a fixed system with a finer variability of the mosfet base to really hone in on the effect and chances are that blown mosfets will have dropped by a good 90%. You can't loose all the fizzy fun now can you? hehehe.

I was planning on starting my Primer Fields test but realizing that pulsing is the most deficient part on any experiment, I have decided to work on alternative pulsing methods for now. As far as I can now state that this is the key to OU when you consider all the other variables that experimentation has scrutinized, the only real constant is the usage of mosfets type components that just do not work to OU level. So we need new switching methods that are less intrusive to the mutual pri/sec exchanges.

More soon on alternative switching methods for OU research. I think this is where we need to work really hard.

wattsup

PS1: Re: Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS" thread. Keep going. Just know that when Tesla made the pancake coil, pancakes are rarely served one on a plate. A mountain of pancakes makes for a very hefty breakfast. But my question is this. If capacitors discharge at connection and if inductors discharge at disconnection, when does the pancake coil discharge? Would it discharge at both connection and disconnection and how would that show if proven. If Tesla says the pancake coil replaces a capacitor, then the coil has to have the same overall attributes as a capacitor, while being an inductor. hehehe
Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: TinselKoala on May 17, 2013, 04:44:35 PM
A tank circuit has capacitance and inductance, and a coil alone also has both. Capacitance and inductance make a coil to have _reactance_ which is a component of the total _impedance_ that a coil or tank presents to an incoming bit of power. The other component is the DC resistance. Power is dissipated in the DC resistance, and the longer the wire the greater the DC resistance.
Capacitive reactance and inductive reactance behave oppositely as frequency is increased. This means for any given combo of inductance and capacitance, there is some frequency that gives the _minimum_ total reactance from these two sources.
If your goal is to reduce power losses, you want the shortest wire length possible (minimum DC resistance). If you want also to reduce the rise and fall times of the power in the coil, you want minimum inductance and capacitance. But if you are Tesla, you also want low frequencies of operation and high power transfer between the resonating coils. If you are looking to get all these things together (minimum DC resistance, and operating at the frequency that produces the minimum total reactance from the inductors and capacitors) you will do what Tesla did: You'll wind up using a big primary coil of few turns, bifilar wound if possible but with external caps if necessary, so that you get minimum power lost to resistance, a low frequency of resonance and minimum total reactance from the inductance and capacitance.


Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: wattsup on March 15, 2014, 08:37:43 PM
@all

Some @members had PM'd me asking where I have been for the last few months so I decided to post this here on my own thread.

For guys that are not aware, I built a garage during last autumn. This was the hardest build (even if not OU related) I ever made. My only regret is I should have tied all the foundation rebars together with some good copper wire and have two leads coming out of the concrete. That would have been a good angle for other tests. Maybe a foundation coil. hahaha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbLyewMeBt4

As you can see, I designed and built this garage in not so standard method because I wanted something that would be easy to keep warm in the winter and cool in the summer. I challenged myself that the build would include only one cement pour, something that everyone I talked to that does construction told me is impossible. hehehe. Not so man!

It is actually better built then my home. So the garage is now a great space and will allow me to eventually have a press drill and some other good machining tools for bigger projects plus a space to try out motor to motor works.

Most importantly the garage attic space allowed me to store lots of home effects in order to then increase my office/lab space in the home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vIG35QKKdY

Now that I am all set-up, I will be back on the forum to advance this thread.

wattsup

Title: Re: Welcome to Understanding Overunity!!!!!
Post by: wattsup on March 16, 2014, 04:02:10 PM

@Grummage and @all

This post is relative to your thread entitled Re: Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator located here.....
http://www.overunity.com/14378/akula0083-30-watt-self-running-generator

You look at past works and how they are portrayed and this will give you a basis for present work from Akula. He has always drawn his coils as they are. If that E-core had anything else but one wind left and another wind right, I am so sure Akula would have drawn it in his circuit just to save a million questions from potential replicators, so I am convinced the @T1000 coil wind method is not right. Just follow the diagram as it is shown.

Also, doubling the frequency means nothing . The flux path of the E core will not react in a greater way. You are simply making double the frequency most likely this is cutting the amplitude in half because you are creating cancellation points from both sides of the center core. Doubling the frequency means you have half the time to produce the same voltage rise but if that rise is not twice the intensity your voltage will drop from its original point to half. Pulse frequency and amplitude is everything. The higher the frequency, the less time you have to produce the same spike. That's why if the amplitude does not increase as the frequency increases, the waveform will drop. Also in almost all coils with a core, you will hear a squealing sound anywhere between 150 and 6000 hertz but this does not mean you are at a sweet spot.

What I think is you are mistaking how Akula winds his air core towers and how he winds his transformers. You can wind air cores in a million ways and always expect an effect once you find that sympathetic frequency. But with a core, there is no million ways. The flux, its limitations to augment on pulse and then to try and reset or return to neutral bias on off pulse all come into play. The core needs to be told to swing one way, then it also has to be told to swing the other way. It does not just revert back like a spring. Air cores do not work in the same way at all.

Why do you think Tesla was so happy when he invented AC. At last he had both a positive and a negative signal alternating so his core would not only be pulsing but undergoing a forced rebiasing at the same time. Less heat more action. Unfortunately I am sure Tesla was not 100% happy because like DC, his AC is only active on one side of the coil since the other side always stays neutral and the side receiving the AC swing is happening gradually, sloping up then sloping down. For coils, there is better then AC and DC but that could be discussed on another day. hehehe

No matter what Akulas' device does more special then others, it has to involve alternating a north and a south field in proximity of a secondary. But DC starts at 0, not at any minus voltage. So how can it rebias the core and the atoms in the copper to get them fully ready for the next pulse. That is the Achilles heel of our DC coils is getting the flux in, then out, to have clear path again for the next in. If the out is not complete, then the core cannot create a maximum flux change and your secondary will only feel the lazy changes and not the extreme changes plus the core will heat up.

I think the copper strip is used to do that. You put in a pulse and when it is off, the copper strip may help sink out the flux as fast as possible so the next on pulse has a clear slate to once again re-energize the core.

For the normal EEer designing devices for our normal daily use, yes they have concern of energy consumption but their concerns are not the same as ours. Where they look to destroy havoc, we look to take advantage of it. Where they choke, we want to spike. Where they dampen, we want to increase.

I am including a link, located on my fpt OU web site, of a pdf on cores that I find is one of the best I have read. Lots of math but if you know how to read between the lines, you will understand more about the core. From this pdf, and the descriptions of the materials, I think the #18 will be the best as an overall performer but the top EEers here may have other opinions.

Another point.

Always remember that capacitors discharge when connected and inversely, inductors (coils) also discharge but only when disconnected. This means never disconnect the transformer while it is in operation because this could toast your circuit. Always wait till everything is turned off before disconnecting the main inductor. I have toasted one regular FG (16.5v at mA) plus one big FG (100v at 1 amp), power supplies, big powers supplies that prove this one fact. You get caught up in the moment, pull a wire and zapola, the FG or power supply is toast.

The other point is this. Your output is your only way of judging how well your unit is working. I will always use a capacitor with a diode on the output to let the output load the capacitor. Then if the energy increase is enough you can put an LED (one or more) across the cap with your volt meter as well. Now this is the best way to see how the output is performing and changing as you play with adjustments. But the output diode you will use is the most important part of your system because if you have the wrong one, it could give you 1 volt loading on the cap while the best diode can give you 20 volts loading under the same conditions.

Seems like this has not set into the minds of OU researchers yet, but I am always trying to push this as the most important part of your system. We work our asses off to produce output at which point most neglect the output diode choice. Just a crazy way to work. Just look at my youtube here for the umpteenth time;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj0ShZV6bhY

If this part of your R&D is just relying on one available diode, then you may as well just stop working in OU because chances are that the best results from your experiments will never be known or manifest. You look at a circuit diagram that has no model numbers. It says diode, so you take any diode, do the test and it does not work so you say "this test shows this circuit does not work". But that is not the case. It only shows that this diode does not work. You need to try a good 10 different diode models to make sure and I don't really care how experienced you are in EE or if you say "I'm using a fast acting diode". Now if you make any further changes on the circuit and redo the test, you will have to hunt again for that best output diode. Even if you find that the same diode is the best with the circuit changes, YOU STILL HAVE TO TRY THEM ALL TO MAKE SURE. That's how you learn and find new things. It is the methodical process of investigation that will help you learn the effects. Sometimes the smallest comparison can offer the greatest insight.

Also, at this stage when just pulsing a coil and checking output, you should not use a ready made bridge rectifier. You need to do as above. Once you find the right single diode, you can always make your own rectifier using four of the same. These ready made bridge rectifiers are good when you are working at 60 hz or when output efficiency is not a concern, but as soon as you start working at higher pulse frequencies, they are simply not worth relying on for true results unless you make a Diode Carousel with 10 different bridge rectifiers to find the best one. Hmmmmm.

I'll repeat. Most of our works involve making a set-up then hunting for the right frequency, but we then neglect to hunt for the right output diode. Once you have identified the right frequency because the scope waveform found a peak setting with any diode, you need to then hunt for the best diode at that point. Then you can work to make it in a stand alone circuit. Neglect the diode hunt and you are again working blind or at best working with a possible major handicap. It's like driving a car with low air in the tires. Well the car will roll but you are not going to win any awards.

If a circuit diagram shows a specific diode model, just know that this model is not identified just for fun and that any other diode may not necessarily work in its place. Diodes are as different in reaction times as there are different women on this planet. hehehe One is more or less finicky then the next and usually only one will be the "right" one for you. I pronounce you Man and diode. You may kiss the output. hahaha

Another point. You have a primary coil wound on a core. You now have two ends to the coil. One end is closest to the core or the first layer or let's now call it the Primary Core Layer (PCL) end and the other end is the farthest away from the core, Primary Outer Layer (POL). So you have this pulse system that produces your make/break. But which side of the primary do you want to make/brake is a very important consideration. Yes, you need to test pulsing from each side and compare results, but, technically, you're best side to produce your make/break at the Primary Core Layer. That will be the coil end that experiences the most change to happen nearest the core because the other side is always connected to the same unchanging signal.

I have come to realize that all coils suffer from what I call Half Coil Syndrome (HCS). (I believe that's why Tesla invented AC as a semi-solution). At best, only half the total wind is in active changing mode while the other half is the support half that just does not change as much. I will start covering these points when I continue my Understanding Overunity thread in the coming days. So consider this........When you have one primary, half is active but if you put two primaries in series, now one complete primary will be active because that complete primary is half of the total series primaries that the pulse will still consider as being one complete primary. So what will happen when your primary is totally active over a core? hehehe

Last last point. Many guys will pulse a coil and put their scope probe at one side of the coil and they see this waveform. Many think that this waveform is homogeneous across the full length of the coil so they think that is what's going on in the coil. Not so man. What you are seeing is the energy and frequency at that specific point and no where else. Put your probe on the other side of the coil and see for yourself. Or include several taps in the coil and put the scope on those points (only use the probe without the ground)) and you will see how the energy decreases as you get further into the coil. So in your mind you have to think that there is a gradual change in the initial impulse. This is very common unless you are working at much higher frequencies in which case most all components will show the frequency.

More to come.

wattsup