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Author Topic: 1850 Watts free energy power ? New GEGENE circuit by JL Naudin shows COP = 2.8  (Read 197503 times)

Offline mscoffman

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Simply because there is NO OU there. Let me explain...

I have also been interested in this experiment and so, naturally, built a replication circuit. I will tell you the results in a minute.
To make sure that I am objective and there is no outside influence of any kind I even signed up my son and some other local school boys to do a science fair project based on GEGENE. Some picture are attached.

In both cases the end result was the same. The circuit efficiency was never overunity. At best it was close to 94%.
Why then others claim overunity here? Simply because they made some errors in their input/output consumption calculations.
The test circuit included a 1300w induction plate, Tectronix THS710A scope/meter, 3 * 250W load lamps, SunPower 500W online inverter, 35A rectifier bridge / 15000uF/200V capacitor plus a Kill-A-Watt plug-in meter. In addition a Fluke meter was used to double check the results.

The experiments covered every possible scenario with different combinations of flat pancake/bifiler coils, various combinations of number of turns and induction power levels. The efficiency has never even reached 100%.

While it was interesting/educational to complete the project the end result is undeniable: no OU.

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Hi Avalon,

Your setup is very nearly perfect except for a couple of things that almost
certainly would boost the units efficiency by the few percent required. Certainly I think you
could squeeze slightly above OU efficiency out of this set-up. Show those
kids that dad has a few tricks up his sleeve.

1] Your instrumentation power should not flow through the kilawatt power meter.
  - unless it performs a controller function. A flying ground wire might be justified though.

2] Did you use a HF Fast Full Wave Bridge Rectifier? I would prefer to build the bridge
rectifiers out of  these individual diodes. You really can use two bridges for a total of eight
diodes. Diodes will potentially create a PF power factor so you should scope the voltage
and current signals to see how lossy they are.

I like rectifier:
IRF OM5226-SA and -RA Dual Diodes    with only 1 each (2) required for each bridge.
12amps each 600Volt 50ns  so  @200VDC 12 amps   =  2.2KW @ 20Mhz :-)  300VAC pk-pk max.


3] Rather then mixing antenna signals. you should use a bridge rectifier for each then
    then sum the DC power signals. You really can't mix AC signals without affecting both
    antennas. That mix could be a good for a power result, but probably will be bad because
    of interaction.

4] I guess you have tried wiring the antenna via the tesla radiant schematic? I keep
wanting to twist two 14Gauge solid copper wires tightly in a hand drill for use as
lead-outs from the antenna. Parallel wire seem would form an improperly matched
impedance transmission line.

5] it may be interesting to try front and back mounting of the coils sandwiching
the drive coil. Maybe use five coils total.

6] One thing I was going to do was to buy two inexpensive 800watt induction
      heaters. So that way I could try to use the one spare cook-pot heater's antenna only
      as receiver antenna to try for greater efficiency.

7] You really should use a 2KW or higher HV inverter so you don't have to play games
    connecting it. Once you get an OU output calculation you could immediately try to
    loop it. Efficiency in the inverter is important. Those solar wind grid stand-alone front
    end inverters with MPP automatic impedance matching and > 90% efficiency
    would be ideal. I would stay away from grid interactive front ends until overunity
    result was obtained then they would be interesting again.  I can easily see the added efficiency
    going above 100% if all the above where implemented.

8] You can check your inverters efficiency by feeding 120VAC rectified and filtered or 120VAC
     Voltage Doubled to 240VAC rectified and filtered into it. Load, then measure the results.
     You can use 2 identical  x 1.5KVAR  transformers back to back for 1:1 voltage galvanic ground
     isolation if so preferred.
 

:S:MarkSCoffman


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Offline avalon

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:S:MarkSCoffman

1] Kill-a-watt was not used as a through device - only a mains monitor. Ground wires are directly connected through a T-connector.

2] I did use a fast full wave rectifier and a separately built full wave rectifier using ultra-fast Shottky diods. The results were identical.

3] AC feedback signals never were mixed directly. Instead separate full bridge rectifiers + capacitor circuit were used but only for experiments with multiple coils.

4] I only performed experiments with flat/bifiler coils as pictured.

5] Great minds think alike! I did disassembled the induction plate and used coils on both sides of the primary induction coil. Although it resulted in higher voltages the efficiency stayed absolutely the same.

6] I have not tried any experiments with multiple induction plates.

7] My inverter has a 94% efficiency and can take up to 62V DC input voltage. This was the best inverter I could find. Have I tried direct looping? No as it would not be possible in my setup. The online inverter is constantly monitors the input line in order to synchronize its output. Theoretically, I could use a battery pool to feed an off-line inverter and then have an online inverter and a battery charger added to the setup but it would not make a clean experiment. I could see the resulted drop in consumption once the inverter was online but it has never brought the input consumption to zero, let alone OU.

8] I have tested my inverter many times in the past and know its efficiency. I have also tested it with solar panels (a pair of 230W mono panels) and fed it directly from my lab NIST certified DC power supply to check the efficiency. Although the manufacture claimed the efficiency of nearly 96% I could only achieve 94%.

~A

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7] My inverter has a 94% efficiency and can take up to 62V DC input voltage. This was the best inverter I could find. Have I tried direct looping? No as it would not be possible in my setup. The online inverter is constantly monitors the input line in order to synchronize its output. Theoretically, I could use a battery pool to feed an off-line inverter and then have an online inverter and a battery charger added to the setup but it would not make a clean experiment. I could see the resulted drop in consumption once the inverter was online but it has never brought the input consumption to zero, let alone OU.

~A

Firstly, I don't believe there is any mechanism by which the circuit can achieve OU, it's simply a loosely coupled transformer.
That said, your efficiency of 94% is excellent bearing in mind the cable losses, coupling coefficient etc etc - nice work!

Oh, and nice printer ;-)

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Offline mscoffman

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WOW, Ok, I'm impressed that you tried so much and did such complete experimentation...excellent work!

Well, scratch one overunity method...all those light bulbs really had me going!

If you ever get a chance to try a more powerful inverter between the utility and the
hotplate it would really be interesting. For example run a variac manual controlled
autotransformer between they utility to a rectifier filter then another rectifier filter
to the pickup antenna. Then one would reduce the DC signal from the variac which
would pull more from the antenna. You could also add DC power signals where the variac
supplies only make-up power. The hotplate might produce VARS signals that would disturb
the inverters operation, or the hotplate might attempt to seize VARS from utility and
the inverter would have to conduct more real power to make up for it.
The reason is those induction range tops might be used in countries where you would
want to use electricity as "efficiently" as possible. That hotplate must be nearly 100%
efficient already.

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Hi Avalon,
You need to connect more loads to have better effect.
For example if you measure the system set at 400 wats input power, your connected load has to be 4000 wats or more (at 220 volts)
Your reciever coil is not wound properly I think. It is like two coils one on another connected in series. Not a Tesla pancake

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Still hoping that someone could do this final loop test that Igor setup and proved working !
We tried indiegogo to get the funds for a few inverters but without any success ! I am still convinced it can be a self-runner !?  ;)

http://youtu.be/IpAuvTBCugs?list=UUVesA155Der2tRd5vpyYdJw

http://tesletic.com/

Offline Paul-R

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Hi Avalon,
You need to connect more loads to have better effect.
For example if you measure the system set at 400 wats input power, your connected load has to be 4000 wats or more (at 220 volts)
Your reciever coil is not wound properly I think. It is like two coils one on another connected in series. Not a Tesla pancake
I am confused. The picture you show IS a pancake coil.
This is how Jean-Louis' coils are wound.

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Offline mscoffman

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Still hoping that someone could do this final loop test that Igor setup and proved working !
We tried indiegogo to get the funds for a few inverters but without any success ! I am still convinced it can be a self-runner !?  ;)

http://youtu.be/IpAuvTBCugs?list=UUVesA155Der2tRd5vpyYdJw

http://tesletic.com/

Keep watching this space.


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Thanks, well where there's hope...etc btw highly appreciated if anybody can tell me more about this video as it seems to produce +- 150w out of radiant energy !? Igor told me that the guy presenting it is not the maker !
http://youtu.be/4jGXvw7AyKU

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Thanks, well where there's hope...etc btw highly appreciated if anybody can tell me more about this video as it seems to produce +- 150w out of radiant energy !? Igor told me that the guy presenting it is not the maker !
http://youtu.be/4jGXvw7AyKU

Here's more, from March 2014:

http://zaryad.com/2014/03/13/105-vatt-svobodnoy-energii-iz-germanii/

"Seems to produce" is the key phrase, of course. Notice that when he first turns it on, the voltage and current meters read 9.1 and 11.8. By the end of the short video, the meters are down to 8.9 and 11.7.  Looks like the "radiant energy" is running down pretty fast.

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Thanks Pal, highly appreciated, will ask IGOR his take on is as he understands perfectly Russian and he is a 100% realistic tester and his works are one of the best out there! Thanks again!  ;) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVesA155Der2tRd5vpyYdJw

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Thanks Pal, highly appreciated, will ask IGOR his take on is as he understands perfectly Russian and he is a 100% realistic tester and his works are one of the best out there! Thanks again!  ;) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVesA155Der2tRd5vpyYdJw
You're welcome. You might ask specifically about the huge heatsinks. It's clear that most of the components don't need heatsinking and that in at least one version of the device, the thermal contact with the big heatsink is very sketchy.

Offline tinman

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Lol
Has this one fired up again. This experiment cost me $180.00 for an induction cook top lol-but the wife loves it ;)

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Lol
Has this one fired up again. This experiment cost me $180.00 for an induction cook top lol-but the wife loves it ;)
Yes me to, several units till I run out of budged  ;D Anyway we should never stop at a crucial moment like anybody can see in this video from Igor, I eventually made him reevaluate his own setup and he is now working on it again and the only thing missing to do the test is a pure sine converter !  I am still convinced that 2015 will be that we can build in any little workshop an easy parts device to produce a few KW from radiant or whatever you call it!   8)  Thanks again all of you http://youtu.be/IpAuvTBCugs?list=UUVesA155Der2tRd5vpyYdJw

PS. This seems to be going in the right direction...http://overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/975/#.VMEeIy59vYA

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I am confused. The picture you show IS a pancake coil.
This is how Jean-Louis' coils are wound.


http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Ch9/Fig51.gif


That is Tesla Pancake => one wire next to the other, not on top of it.


This is wrong =>    http://www.overunity.com/13228/1850-watts-free-energy-power-new-gegene-circuit-by-jl-naudin-shows-cop-2-8/dlattach/attach/140453/image//

 

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