Language: 
To browser these website, it's necessary to store cookies on your computer.
The cookies contain no personal information, they are required for program control.
  the storage of cookies while browsing this website, on Login and Register.

GDPR and DSGVO law

Storing Cookies (See : http://ec.europa.eu/ipg/basics/legal/cookies/index_en.htm ) help us to bring you our services at overunity.com . If you use this website and our services you declare yourself okay with using cookies .More Infos here:
https://overunity.com/5553/privacy-policy/
If you do not agree with storing cookies, please LEAVE this website now. From the 25th of May 2018, every existing user has to accept the GDPR agreement at first login. If a user is unwilling to accept the GDPR, he should email us and request to erase his account. Many thanks for your understanding.
Amazon Warehouse Deals ! Now even more Deep Discounts ! Check out these great prices on slightly used or just opened once only items.I always buy my gadgets via these great Warehouse deals ! Highly recommended ! Many thanks for supporting OverUnity.com this way.

User Menu

A-Ads

Powerbox

Smartbox

3D Solar

3D Solar Panels

DC2DC converter

Micro JouleThief

FireMatch

FireMatch

CCKnife

CCKnife

CCTool

CCTool

Magpi Magazine

Magpi Magazine Free Rasberry Pi Magazine

Battery Recondition

Battery Recondition

Arduino

Ultracaps

YT Subscribe

Gravity Machines

Tesla-Ebook

Magnet Secrets

Lindemann Video

Navigation

Products

Products

WaterMotor kit

Statistics

  • *Total Members: 83535
  • *Latest: Fritzman

  • *Total Posts: 514386
  • *Total Topics: 15304
  • *Online Today: 44
  • *Most Online: 103
(December 19, 2006, 11:27:19 PM)
  • *Users: 1
  • *Guests: 9
  • *Total: 10

Author Topic: Lorentz force questions  (Read 17388 times)

Offline crazycut06

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 297
Re: Lorentz force questions
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2012, 04:13:27 PM »

crazycut06
with a flux gate generator, that is a rotor which has pieces of iron at the rim.
those pieces pass between fixed magnet and fixed coil (one in front of the other).
The coil receives the flux when the rotor iron makes a bridge when passing.
As far as I know, not OU yet.
google (or  youyube): lenzness generator

cheers
Alvaro


Yes, i know about that, but i was thinkin of the core inside the coil moving from left to right with magnets on both ends, will lenz be less? Or We get less lenz because we do not generate more current?

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Lorentz force questions
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2012, 04:13:27 PM »

Offline Neo-X

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 379
Re: Lorentz force questions
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2012, 04:52:17 PM »
@crazycut

I havent tried it yet bcoz im more into solid state ou generator. I believe that a standard generator specially those bigger one are capable of getting overunity. For example, you draw a constant current from the generator, so the lorentz force or drag is also constant. Suppose we increase the speed of the generator, the voltage through the output coil is also increased but the drag losses is still the same bcoz we draw constant current. So we can say that the output power to the generator is can be increase by increasing its speed while its drag loss is not. And if we reduce the friction of the generator, the input power needed to rotate the generator will become so less untill the output power of the generator surpass the input power.

Offline verpies

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3389
Re: Lorentz force questions
« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2012, 10:43:54 AM »
In Faraday disk, Lorentz law cannot apply there so oviously its overunity.
Why Lorentz law cannot be applied?

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Lorentz force questions
« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2012, 10:43:54 AM »
Sponsored links:




Offline broli

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2217
Re: Lorentz force questions
« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2012, 12:01:00 PM »
If you have some spare time at your hand try to read this:
http://www.df.lth.se/~snorkelf/LongitudinalMSc.pdf

and go through these:
http://blogs.scienceforums.net/pengkuan/

and if you're still really bored:
http://www.distinti.com/docs/nm.pdf




Dave45

  • Guest
Re: Lorentz force questions
« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2012, 03:46:52 PM »


Watch this short movie:


http://freelights.co.uk/move.avi


The ramifications should quickly become obvious.  There are numerous ways to overcome the 'Lorentzian legacy'.  Should one wish to charge a capacitor instead of lighting LEDs and then dump it's potential back into spinning the wheels of change, such may be handily arranged.  Remember, and this is important, the magnets doing the work, need not be the ones carrying the load.


Free energy is Right aBound the corner.


Peace,


TS

Hey TS that vid reminds me of Newman's device, I wonder if the magnet was set on an axle inside a coil like the Newman motor and was allowed to rotate as the magnet on the wheel moved past,  ??? might be worth checking out.

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Lorentz force questions
« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2012, 03:46:52 PM »
Sponsored links:




Offline gravityblock

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3260
    • Get Dish Now! Free Dish Network System from VMC Satellite
Re: Lorentz force questions
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2013, 06:28:03 AM »
The Lorentz force is nothing more than the Z-D force1 viewed from the proper inertial system of a permanent magnet.  The field of a permanent magnet is magneto-static. The movement of the magnetic source causes the Z-D effect which has been termed magneto-kinematic.  A magneto-static field does not meet the requirement for wave motion and moves like a body synchronously with its source. Nevertheless, the magnetic field satisfies Faraday's law just like any electromagnetic wave.

1.)  Zajev-Dokuchajev (Z-D) effect: the moving of the magnetic field with the rotating magnet.

Gravock

Offline gravityblock

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3260
    • Get Dish Now! Free Dish Network System from VMC Satellite
Re: Lorentz force questions
« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2013, 09:52:03 AM »
The comments found in the image below are so true when you really think about it as shown by the work found in Section 5.  Experiment #3 is an instance of Faraday's Law due to the strength of the magnetic field changing.  However, the magnetic field itself in experiment #1 and #2 are not changing, thus it is not an instance of Faraday's Law.  This is an important and fundamental aspect of electromagnetism in which researchers need to understand.

Gravock

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Lorentz force questions
« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2013, 09:52:03 AM »
Sponsored links:




Offline gravityblock

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3260
    • Get Dish Now! Free Dish Network System from VMC Satellite
Re: Lorentz force questions
« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2013, 10:24:29 AM »
The phase shift cannot be explained if the magnetic field is considered to be immobile, but is readily explained by the rotation of the magnetic field with the magnet.

Gravock

Offline gravityblock

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3260
    • Get Dish Now! Free Dish Network System from VMC Satellite
Re: Lorentz force questions
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2013, 10:32:46 PM »
There is a new method of calculation presented in the publication which is applicable to a range of generic problems dealing with moving sources of magnetic flux.  This is an important and fundamental aspect of electromagnetism which needs to be understood.  Due to the lack of response, it appears the significance of this is being overlooked.

Gravock

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Lorentz force questions
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2013, 10:32:46 PM »
3D Solar Panels

Offline broli

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2217
Re: Lorentz force questions
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2013, 11:38:42 PM »
Due to the lack of response, it appears the significance of this is being overlooked.

Don't mistake silence with absence ;) .

A custom made half moon neo magnet.

Offline broli

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2217
Re: Lorentz force questions
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2013, 06:54:12 AM »
Hi GB, even before seeing this article I was playing around with different kind of setups in my mind. I always have and still believe that the homopolar motor/generator is one of the least researched aspects in physics/relativity while there's still much to discover. Following in the footsteps of people like Stefan Marinov, J. Guala-Valverde, Bruce DePalma, Robert J Distinti...and many more, I decided to continue where they left off.

Especially the "electrometer" probe mentioned in that article you show is something I've been thinking about for a while. That is, a way to perform truly "single piece" voltage measurements without having to close the loop which would end up raising the endless question as to where the voltage is truly generated. The open probe circuit can actually be very easily be constructed, here's such circuit..

http://www.amasci.com/emotor/chargdet.html

My only question is about sensitivity. however this is also mentioned

Quote
Regular foil-leaf electroscopes deal with electrostatic potentials in the range of many hundreds or thousands of volts. The above device can detect one volt. Its sensitivity is ridiculously high.

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: Lorentz force questions
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2013, 06:54:12 AM »
3D Solar Panels

Offline gravityblock

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3260
    • Get Dish Now! Free Dish Network System from VMC Satellite
Re: Lorentz force questions
« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2013, 09:11:59 AM »
Broli,

The electrometer you referenced is a great find.  The 1 volt is doable, but out of curiosity, is there a way of cheating by placing a small electret in the vicinity of the electrometer at a distance which would be just shy of turning the LED on/off?  Couldn't we then detect a smaller voltage in the millivolt range during our experiments?  I'm interested in the half moon magnet too.

GB

Offline broli

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2217
Re: Lorentz force questions
« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2013, 09:58:03 AM »
Broli,

The electrometer you referenced is a great find.  The 1 volt is doable, but out of curiosity, is there a way of cheating by placing a small electret in the vicinity of the electrometer at a distance which would be just shy of turning the LED on/off?  Couldn't we then detect a smaller voltage in the millivolt range during our experiments?  I'm interested in the half moon magnet too.

GB

I don't think you need to go that far, you could just cascade a few of those FETs to amplify the signal further. However another issue to note is that most neo magnets have a metallic coating which is conductive. When you spin this with the magnet it will induce a voltage, per homopolar generator rules, and this voltage will thus polarize the coating. The question that then will arise is are you measuring, in the probe, the induced voltage applied by homopolar rules or the induced voltage due to electrostatic induction of the coating. However this can easily be resolved by using a plastic/rubber coated magnet.

Offline gravityblock

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3260
    • Get Dish Now! Free Dish Network System from VMC Satellite
Re: Lorentz force questions
« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2013, 10:21:43 AM »
I don't think you need to go that far, you could just cascade a few of those FETs to amplify the signal further. However another issue to note is that most neo magnets have a metallic coating which is conductive. When you spin this with the magnet it will induce a voltage, per homopolar generator rules, and this voltage will thus polarize the coating. The question that then will arise is are you measuring, in the probe, the induced voltage applied by homopolar rules or the induced voltage due to electrostatic induction of the coating. However this can easily be resolved by using a plastic/rubber coated magnet.

A plastic/rubber coated magnet is an easy fix.  I was thinking the electret idea would allow for lower rotational speeds, higher humidity levels, weaker and smaller diameter magnets, etc.  However, cascading a few FET's to amplify the signal further is a much better setup and provides more flexibility during testing than the electret idea.  This makes things much more doable. :)

Edit: Added the last sentence.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2013, 08:28:22 PM by gravityblock »

Offline lumen

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1370
Re: Lorentz force questions
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2013, 07:31:39 PM »
Broli,

That looks like it might work for a test to see if the field cutting the probe would separate the charges as you show.
A FET probe is very sensitive and you would need to take care that other things were not inducing the charge.

My theory on rotating a magnet on it's axis is that the field always takes the position of less work, whether it rotates with the magnet or not depends on which one does the least work.

If an amount of work could be determined by how fast the charge would accumulate, then this might serve as a path to proving a rotating field!
It may be possible to add some accumulating plates on each end of the probe to improve the charge, or a super low voltage diode to prevent the charge from equalizing when the magnet stops rotating.



 

OneLink