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Title: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: elementSix on December 15, 2012, 01:26:31 AM
OKOKOK..  It's going to be long, but I will show facts, pics and information on what these 2 device principle mode of operation is.  This is not theory, this is a well little/known subject.   Nuclear Magnetic Resonance and Proton Precession Magnetometer are basically the same rock but different color.  Things that are involved are RF signals that are used in different frequency's pulsed  into or thru an object.  That object or sample can be anything from water to Metal.  A strong Pre-Polarizing Magnetic Field.  The earths Natural Magnetic Field.  3 Coils are used in the NMR and the middle coil has 3 parts to it.   If you have worked on or seen the videos and know a lot about them then watching these videos should tune you in to what is going on in the TK and TPU devices..  There are 10 of them, but the first 8 are the ones pertaining to this subject..  The rest follow this one on the right side column..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aRKAXD4dAg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aRKAXD4dAg)


 This Video is of the Steve Mark TPU.  This video hasn't been seen much.  They talk a little about how the TPU works, Using RF pulses and Ceramics, which are superconductors.  at 3min. 45 sec. Steve runs a magnet around the bottom of the TPU.
  http://youtu.be/W_fRKxz_UNo#t=227s (http://youtu.be/W_fRKxz_UNo#t=227s)

Here is a web page with all the info about this process.  Take your time and study this and If you don't think This is right just leave and don't post BS about this having nothing to do with TK or TPU.  This is facts only and the facts speak for themselves. 
   http://chemwiki.ucdavis.edu/Physical_Chemistry/Spectroscopy/Magnetic_Resonance_Spectroscopies/NMR/Nuclear_Magnetic_Resonance_II (http://chemwiki.ucdavis.edu/Physical_Chemistry/Spectroscopy/Magnetic_Resonance_Spectroscopies/NMR/Nuclear_Magnetic_Resonance_II)

NMR and the process of Spinning Nucli for energy Release

Coil Arrangement

Center Coil...
   Transverse Oscillating Magnetic Field coil, that is used to disturb the Nuclear spins from their natural equilibrium state.  This coil can also be used to detect the signal in the NMR.  The signal produced is an Oscillating Voltage.  Thats where the Energy is.
Outer Coil....
  The Pre-Polarizing Field Coil is used to produce a large magnetic field.  Just before the pulsing process starts, this coil is turned on for about 5 seconds.  It's field was 350 times larger than that of the Earths magnetic field, which makes the signal 350 times larger than if you just used the natural Earth magnetic field.
Middle Coil...
   This is the coil with a varying magnetic field that vary  in 3 or formidable directions. It is also a multi-part coil.(3 coils in one I believe) This coil has 2 particular functions.  By applying a very small current thru these coils, we can provide smoothing of the Earth magnetic Imperfections.  Anything can change this field which would result in the process stopping or limit the decay of the Nucli.  If someone were to hold a ring by the coils, it could dampen the process.  So we can improve the Earths magnetic field to obtain a much stronger signal from the object in the center of the coils, used for transmutation.  Using Shims in this gradient coil can make or break the operation.  In the video I watched, he used 3 voltage inputs into this coil and they range from just 2 or 3 volt up to 7 or 8 volts.  Depending on what the sample is..  The second function of this coil is that it can adjust the field anywhere you are on the surface of the earth.  Tunning has to be done, even moving the coils down the street can break the tunned coils and you won''t get shit out of it.  The scientist used a computer program to automatically tune this coil.

   The secret to getting a good strong signal and a longer rate of decay is called the spin echos.  The initial 90 degree pulse happening at the start of the process right after the 5 second pre-polarizing field sets em up to spin out of their newly aligned vectors. Using the transverse Oscillating field to create a 180 degree pulse right after the initial 90 degree pulse and you do this by running the pulse twice as long.  So the 90 degree pulse is say 1 millisecond long and the 180 degree pulse would be 2 milliseconds long.  The spin echo produced by the 180 degree pulse is a very good tool in the process of getting the metal to decay .  So trial and error would be easy enough to find the right pulse sequence for the metal used in the device..
  Field Homogeneity is very important for getting the best rate of decay.  The narrower the spectrum spike frequency, the stronger and longer the rate of decay.  Shimming is the easiest way of going about with tuning your middle coil.  The spin of the nucli is called Gyromagnetic..  When Steve Mark said you can feel the TPU pushing back on your hand, like a gyroscope does, that is because he has all the Nucli spinning all together in the same direction.  Thats where the little Magnetic motor action comes from..
Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: elementSix on December 15, 2012, 01:30:12 AM
Here are a set of Pictures with the Coil parts taken out of the device..
The first pic is the TerraNova coils pulled out a little of the device.
The second picture is a close up of their Varying Magnetic Field Coil, the middle coil.
The third picture is him showwing that by just putting the wrench next to the device can stop the decay from producing a strong signal.  Fourth picture is the center coil, which is the Transverse coil which is a solenoidal type coil.
Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: elementSix on December 15, 2012, 01:39:58 AM
Now this picture shows him holding a wrench next to the NMR and it stops the decay reaction by disturbing the magnetic field..  This is  seen and heard in both the TPU video and the TK2004 video.  This again is the TPU video and steve asks if the guy is wearing a ring.  Now if he introduced his metal ring into the fields why its running, it can stop or slow the operation down and he would have to restart the tpu again. Fast forward to 4min. and turn up the volume.
 http://youtu.be/W_fRKxz_UNo#t=227s (http://youtu.be/W_fRKxz_UNo#t=227s)


Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: elementSix on December 15, 2012, 02:19:22 AM
Now the Green Box video, The 2 main guys that handle the box and turn it off have no watch on or rings.  Now thats not much for proof  but when you start the NMR reaction you have to Pre-Polarize the Magnetic field so that the Vectors of the Nucli  get into their proper alignment for the Nuclear Spin to work.  In the TK2004 video he plugs in the inverter for about 10 seconds before he flips the switch. Then he unplugs it.  Now that would be the steps in order to start the device.  Its at 17min and 30sec and also at 20min 45 sec..

I WILL POST MORE INFO SOON
Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: elementSix on December 15, 2012, 09:24:35 AM
I know everyone has seen the Mcfreey Papers, but here is a very good detailed informative document on this very subject.  It has diagrams and the 2nd copy of Mcfreey's papers is a bit different and I am not sure if he updated it or someone else did, but here it is.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=mcfreey%20tpu%20info&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2F7679%2Fselfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze%2Fdlattach%2Fattach%2F111526%2F&ei=ejLMUMjrJIzC0AHQgIFI&usg=AFQjCNE6ar3Dv7Z3cKJar9XH6vwPq6oIMA&bvm=bv.1355325884,d.dmQ (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=mcfreey%20tpu%20info&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2F7679%2Fselfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze%2Fdlattach%2Fattach%2F111526%2F&ei=ejLMUMjrJIzC0AHQgIFI&usg=AFQjCNE6ar3Dv7Z3cKJar9XH6vwPq6oIMA&bvm=bv.1355325884,d.dmQ)

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=mcfreey%20tpu%20info&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2F7679%2Fselfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze%2Fdlattach%2Fattach%2F114651%2F&ei=ejLMUMjrJIzC0AHQgIFI&usg=AFQjCNEWG71HLxcQ_8L9JQl6PpDfW1fdcg&bvm=bv.1355325884,d.dmQ&cad=rja (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=mcfreey%20tpu%20info&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2F7679%2Fselfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze%2Fdlattach%2Fattach%2F114651%2F&ei=ejLMUMjrJIzC0AHQgIFI&usg=AFQjCNEWG71HLxcQ_8L9JQl6PpDfW1fdcg&bvm=bv.1355325884,d.dmQ&cad=rja)

Be safe, some metals put off bad effects and radiation so choose a good metal to pulse..
Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on December 15, 2012, 10:44:49 AM
nuclear moment is where it all takes place.
Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: e2matrix on December 15, 2012, 08:28:31 PM
Fascinating info ...  thanks for sharing.   I often thought NMR had something to do with the TPU.   
Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: yfree on December 15, 2012, 09:36:11 PM
Fascinating info ...  thanks for sharing.   I often thought NMR had something to do with the TPU.
Yes, NMR has something to do with the TPU.
It has been known for some time how Mark TPU and Kapanadze devices work.
They share the same principle of operation.
The details can be found in William J. McFreey papers in the PJKBook (http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/PJKBook.html).
Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: elementSix on December 16, 2012, 01:35:59 AM
Yes, NMR has something to do with the TPU.
It has been known for some time how Mark TPU and Kapanadze devices work.
They share the same principle of operation.
The details can be found in William J. McFreey papers in the PJKBook (http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/PJKBook.html).
Yea the Mcfreey papers are great.  I have the 2 links up above.  I'm not sure if the second set of Mcfreey papers were updated by him or someone else..
Could you suggest what type of ceramics that he used in the TPU.  In the Newer TPU video, they talk about the great use of ceramics in the TPU because of their superconductivity..
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Post by: yfree on December 16, 2012, 02:21:21 AM
Yea the Mcfreey papers are great.  I have the 2 links up above.  I'm not sure if the second set of Mcfreey papers were updated by him or someone else..
Could you suggest what type of ceramics that he used in the TPU.  In the Newer TPU video, they talk about the great use of ceramics in the TPU because of their superconductivity..
Unfortunately, both links above point to outdated versions of the McFreey papers.
The link that I provided always points to the most up-to-date versions of his papers.
I do not think TPU used ceramics as such or that there is superconductivity in Mark or Kapanadze devices.
In principle a ferrite is a ceramic. This might have been used in the TPU.
It is always risky to take for granted what inventors say, especially those who do not disclose the internals of their inventions.
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Post by: pix on December 16, 2012, 03:13:04 AM
....another theory.
Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: elementSix on December 16, 2012, 07:45:55 PM
Unfortunately, both links above point to outdated versions of the McFreey papers.
The link that I provided always points to the most up-to-date versions of his papers.
I do not think TPU used ceramics as such or that there is superconductivity in Mark or Kapanadze devices.
In principle a ferrite is a ceramic. This might have been used in the TPU.
It is always risky to take for granted what inventors say, especially those who do not disclose the internals of their inventions.

Thanks for the updated Mcfreey papers, but have you seen that new TPU video??  Steve mark is not a the table conversation that is going on and the Australian Guy tells the Swiss guy a secret and he used ceramic in the TPU.  I don't know what TK used,  but why he would lie to the Swiss guy who is soon to be partner in their program.  This video wasn't for the public of course.
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Post by: yfree on December 16, 2012, 08:49:13 PM
Thanks for the updated Mcfreey papers, but have you seen that new TPU video??  Steve mark is not a the table conversation that is going on and the Australian Guy tells the Swiss guy a secret and he used ceramic in the TPU.  I don't know what TK used,  but why he would lie to the Swiss guy who is soon to be partner in their program.  This video wasn't for the public of course.

Yes, I have seen the video.
McFreey notices that the "fuel material" does not have to be conductive as the phenomenon does not rely on conduction electrons. So, I would think that some ceramics may also be used as "fuel" as long as they incorporate appropriate elements.
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Post by: elementSix on December 16, 2012, 09:33:03 PM
The NMR process creates intermittent large spikes during the contant sequences of RF pulses.  These large spikes are hell on diodes, Both Don Smith, Issmael Aviso and some other Free energy inventors have had to have special diodes made that can take the large frequent spikes of Oscillating Decay Voltage that's produced by the pulsed material. 

  Can anyone suggest a cheap but very good ceramic for our experiments??  Metals that were brought up before were Iron, Stainless Steel, Nickel, Zinc or the combination of the like.
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Post by: elementSix on December 17, 2012, 02:56:06 AM
In this article, It says that when a Nucli emits the energy from the RF pulse.  The RF pulse it can absorb changes.  If I read it right, this experimenter used a wide range of frequency's all at once, so the nucli will absorb the certain frequency out of that wide range of signals and then emit the return energy pulse.  But it creates chaos, but we are not after the signal itself, we are after the energy in the signal.  So if anyone is trying to figure out the best way.  Try using a good strong wide band pulses.
http://chemlab.truman.edu/chemlab_backup/CHEM131Labs/Electronegativity.htm (http://chemlab.truman.edu/chemlab_backup/CHEM131Labs/Electronegativity.htm)
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Post by: elementSix on December 17, 2012, 11:43:03 PM
A nucleus is in resonance when it absorbs radio frequency radiation and spin flips to a higher energy state. Thus two variables characterize NMR: 1. An applied magnetic field, Bo; and 2, the frequency of the radiation used for resonance (in MHz). The 2 frequency needed for resonance and the applied magnetic field strength are directly proportional. The stronger the applied magnetic field, the larger the energy difference between the two nuclear spin states, and the higher the frequency needed for resonance.
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Post by: tinu on December 17, 2012, 11:44:08 PM
I know everyone has seen the Mcfreey Papers...
Those two papers are full of crap, imho.

The NMR process creates intermittent large spikes during the contant sequences of RF pulses.
Yes, “large” spikes of …hundreds of microvolts, maybe several milivolts at best!
If you know of larger spikes, I’d be impressed but my opinion is they are fairytales…
 
Best regards,
Tinu
 
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Post by: wasabi on December 17, 2012, 11:46:38 PM
I can believe that NMR can be achieved in metals and ceramics.

Can you explain how NMR releases energy from these materials?
I thought that energy needs to be delivered to nuclei in order to polarize their spins and even more energy needs to be delivered in order to make these polarized nuclei precess at their Larmor frequency.

I also thought, that the only way, these precessing nuclei give back any energy is by thermalization or EM radiation in the RF range - with net-zero energy gain.

So how does the NMR help release the nuclear energy if NMR I/O efficiency is unity at best ?
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Post by: elementSix on December 18, 2012, 02:29:25 AM
(I'm not claiming to be a genius, I am just learning about NMR, EFNMR, EMR ect..)   But I'll try to shed some light on the subject... 
The Gyromagnetics of the Nuclear spin create a small oscillating magnetic field around the Nucleus.  Now with a large enough sample,  you have all the nucli in the sample rotating at the same time.  In beat with the RF pulse sequence, the TPU produces large amounts of voltage.  If you can prove where the TPU and TK device get their reactive process that generates the energy that they produce,  please let us know.  But this process creates an oscillating voltage, in the form of a signal.  Now the voltage is thought to be just RF energy, but it's not.  Thats a well known misconception.  Rf radiation is a bi-product that comes along with the energy that is produced.  Now if you have a large enough sample, with good strong RF pulses that keep the Nucli all spinning and flipping in the same orientation. creating an oscillating magnetic field.  Well all you need is a good copper collector to intersect at the right angles and you have your Voltage.  How else could this energy be created.  NMR is used on organic compounds and other chemicals to discover the properties of whats in that sample.  When they do metals, they usually put shavings in a solution.    "You say that it only creates Milli volts", well yes that is very true.  Thats why they put metal into a solution.  The buildup on a large metal sample could  hurt someone.  Also you have to think that they use NMR on organic molecules and those of course wouldn't put off much energy at all..
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Post by: wasabi on December 18, 2012, 12:16:31 PM
(I'm not claiming to be a genius, I am just learning about NMR, EFNMR, EMR ect..)   But I'll try to shed some light on the subject... 
The Gyromagnetics of the Nuclear spin create a small oscillating magnetic field around the Nucleus. 
Basically correct but I'd prefer to write, that it is the precessing nucleus that is the source of these oscillations.

Now with a large enough sample,  you have all the nuclei in the sample rotating at the same time.
Basically correct but I'd prefer to write, that in homogeneous static polarizing magnetic field many of the nuclei in the sample are precessing in phase.

In beat with the RF pulse sequence, the TPU produces large amounts of voltage. 
I heard that too.  It allegedly produces strong output pulses that are synchronized with the input RF pulse sequence.
Strong pulses mean high voltage and current together.  Voltage alone is not power nor energy. If it were not so, I could rub my cat's fur and power my fridge.

If you can prove where the TPU and TK device get their reactive process that generates the energy that they produce,  please let us know.  But this process creates an oscillating voltage, in the form of a signal. 
I can't prove a thesis that has not been formulated yet, but if the energy comes from the matter of the core, then it can be from the temperature of the mater, its ionization energy (electrons around the nucleus) or the nucleus itself.

Now the voltage is thought to be just RF energy, but it's not.  Thats a well known misconception. 
Lone NMR absorbs RF energy, stores it for a while in the precession and gives it back. 
I have never seen any evidence that NMR gives back more RF energy than it absorbs. ...there have been millions of experiments made and nobody ever has measured any excess RF.

The voltage and current pulse, you mentioned above, does not have to come from the precession of the nucleus at all.
If you think about the nature of voltage and current, you'll notice immediately that voltage and current cannot come from the precession of the nucleus, because voltage and current always require the movement of electric charges and the nucleus is practically stationary.  In other words you cannot have voltage and current without moving electric charges.

RF radiation is a bi-product that comes along with the energy that is produced.
You seem to imply that there are 2 types of energies being output from the SM TPU and TK devices.
- RF EM radiations (photons)
- Pulses of electric current (moving charges)

The RF radiation is the energy that is being re-radiated back after the process used to establish nuclear precession delivered it from outside of the system.
The pulse of electric current is an extra energy of unknown origin.

Now if you have a large enough sample, with good strong RF pulses that keep the Nuclei all spinning and flipping in the same orientation. creating an oscillating magnetic field.  Well all you need is a good copper collector to intersect at the right angles and you have your Voltage. 
Indeed, the RF radiation emitted by precessing nucleus has a magnetic and electric component, but those are low frequency photons, that do not constitute a strong voltage & current pulse, in fact photons do do not constitute voltage & current at all.
Yes, these radiated photons could be received by a copper antenna (a conservative process that converts the energy of photons into the movement of electric charges in conductors containing free charges - electrons) creating an AC current, but there is no energy gain here. We could discuss the difference between near-field antennas (antennas that affect the source) and far-field antennas (antennas that do not affect the source) but the bottom line will be that the RF radiation emitted by precessing nuclei is not greater that the energy inputted to get them precessing.

The high voltage current pulse is a different story.

How else could this energy be created. 
I don't think energy can be created. It can only be liberated, stored and converted.
But just because we do not know "how" does not mean that it cannot be done somehow "else".

NMR is used on organic compounds and other chemicals to discover the properties of whats in that sample.  When they do metals, they usually put shavings in a solution.    "You say that it only creates Milli volts", well yes that is very true.  Thats why they put metal into a solution.  The buildup on a large metal sample could  hurt someone.  Also you have to think that they use NMR on organic molecules and those of course wouldn't put off much energy at all..
The reason NMR is not attempted on bulk metals is: eddy currents induced by time varying magnetic fields and the associated skin-effect.  The safety of bulk ferromagnetic materials in strong magnetic fields is also an issue.

The bottom line is:  NMR alone is incapable of generating strong pulses of electric current.
But NMR together with some other phenomenon, could be capable.
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Post by: yfree on December 18, 2012, 03:40:37 PM
Those two papers are full of crap, imho.
...
I do not believe you. Could you give some examples, please.
Have you done any experiments to support your claim?
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Post by: yfree on December 18, 2012, 03:51:55 PM
In this article, It says that when a Nucli emits the energy from the RF pulse.  The RF pulse it can absorb changes.  If I read it right, this experimenter used a wide range of frequency's all at once, so the nucli will absorb the certain frequency out of that wide range of signals and then emit the return energy pulse.  But it creates chaos, but we are not after the signal itself, we are after the energy in the signal.  So if anyone is trying to figure out the best way.  Try using a good strong wide band pulses.
http://chemlab.truman.edu/chemlab_backup/CHEM131Labs/Electronegativity.htm (http://chemlab.truman.edu/chemlab_backup/CHEM131Labs/Electronegativity.htm)
This paper describes the most common version of NMR: excitation of the nuclei with a burst of RF which is followed by a reception of the spin echo. The spin echo is very weak. There will be no gain of energy from the spin echo alone, only huge loss.
Read McFreey's papers carefully, both papers.
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Post by: verpies on December 18, 2012, 09:16:30 PM
Those two papers are full of crap, imho.
What errors have you noticed in those papers?
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Post by: tinu on December 19, 2012, 01:12:50 AM
What errors have you noticed in those papers?
“Enhanced β-decay” – fantasy

“This configuration of magnetic field confines charged particles in the disc both radially and laterally.” – it confines nothing; particles are not in vacuum but are electrons in the conduction band in metal.

“charged-particle-multiplication disc” – well, it is supposed there is a charge-particle-multiplication but actually the reader is served an idea without any foundation.

“This ensures that the radius of the cyclotron resonance condition oscillates cyclically beyond the outer radius and back to a position inside the brass disc. Because of this, the cyclotron resonance condition is cyclically satisfied.” – What cyclotron resonance?!!! Again, we are dealing with electrons in metal, not in vacuum!

“The NMR stimulation of the brass disc generates enough fast-moving radioactive particles, as described below (Beta-NMR), and this starts an avalanche of particle multiplication provided that the cyclotron condition is also fulfilled.” – Now things are indeed getting into avalanche into his mind; note that beta-NMR is something else and it is never “described bellow” as promised.

“…different frequencies of radio frequency magnetic modulation will induce NMR resonance in the disc and as a result, cause the generation of fast particles.” – I’d say it will cause the generation of slow particles only. So slow that they will stay exactly where they were. ;) Now seriously, why would someone buy such enormity?! NMR (or NM resonance) will cause spin resonance. Period. Oh, something else: it’s about nuclear spin; it has nothing to do with electrons – It seems to me Mr. McFreey is not clear on such elementary issue.

“When the value of “B” is small, causing the cyclotron resonance radius to become greater than the outer radius of the disc, then the avalanche multiplication of particles ceases.” – Again, what avalanche multiplication?!!!

“This is because the transmutation reactions produce a lot of waste charge.”  Transmutation?! Hmmm - now we are talking! ;) but … “waste charge”? What the heck is that?!

“Let us estimate the magnetic field strength needed to confine multiplication electron current assuming the
effective speed of emitted electrons (q = 1.602E-19 C , m0 = 9.11E-31 kg) at v = 200,000 km/s which are following a circular path with radius r = 3 cm.” – It is obviously he departed completely from physics and science and he does not even understand the huge errors he makes…

I can go on and on but it’s not worthy wasting time on it, really.

Best regards,
Tinu
 
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Post by: yfree on December 19, 2012, 01:42:19 AM
“Enhanced β-decay” – fantasy
...
“Let us estimate the magnetic field strength needed to confine multiplication electron current assuming the
effective speed of emitted electrons (q = 1.602E-19 C , m0 = 9.11E-31 kg) at v = 200,000 km/s which are following a circular path with radius r = 3 cm.” – It is obviously he departed completely from physics and science and he does not even understand the huge errors he makes…

I can go on and on but it’s not worthy wasting time on it, really.

Best regards,
Tinu
You are absolutely right,  it’s not worthy wasting time reading the above, really.
Nevertheless, I would love to see your scientific explanation of the phenomenon in question, not just criticism.
Please go on and on and put things in order.
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Post by: verpies on December 19, 2012, 12:23:47 PM
I can go on and on but it’s not worthy wasting time on it, really.
Please do.
It is not a waste of your time to pick holes in somebody's theory. It is peer review.

You are sharing your knowledge with less educated users of this forum, protecting them from going down the wrong path, possibly saving a lot of money on somebody's futile replication attempt.

The author of this theory might also benefit from your criticism and if he is scientifically honest he might withdraw or correct or refine his concepts.
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Post by: verpies on December 19, 2012, 12:37:50 PM
Quote
“The NMR stimulation of the brass disc generates enough fast-moving radioactive particles, as described below (Beta-NMR), and this starts an avalanche of particle multiplication provided that the cyclotron condition is also fulfilled.”
– Now things are indeed getting into avalanche into his mind; note that beta-NMR is something else and it is never “described bellow” as promised.
Could you share your understanding of Beta-NMR ?
How is it different from what McFreey is proposing?
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Post by: elementSix on December 19, 2012, 06:40:50 PM
I agree with Verpies..  That is very interesting.  Cause there are many different NMR fascicles..  I won't begrudge smart talk anywhere..
Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: tinu on December 19, 2012, 09:39:06 PM
 
@verpies,
 
Beta NMR starts from bombarding the target with a flux/beam of polarized beta radioactive emitters, which in itself is quite a challenge. We are talking about not many top-notch research facilities able to do it. If you’re interested please check http://cds.cern.ch/record/1232580/files/INTC-I-088.pdf (http://cds.cern.ch/record/1232580/files/INTC-I-088.pdf)
In TK’s device there is no way a beam generator of beta-radioactive nuclei be incorporated (not even a “simple” generator, let alone a collimated, intense and polarized one needed for beta-NMR!) and thus everything around it is way off-topic.
I suppose some readers could have made the error of thinking to Beta NMR as a form of bombarding the target with beta-radiation (electrons) but it is not the case. The probe is explored by directing nuclei (not electrons) to it. Beta radioactive nuclei are used because when naturally decaying they release energy and consequently the experimental data/results can be recorded easier. I felt it was important to clear this issue about nuclei not electrons. Anyway, I’m not expert in NMR (only I had it studied years ago) and clearly I’m far from the position of writing about beta-NMR.
Bottom line is beta-MNR is out of question because of the incompatibility of device presented in the movies and so is the cyclotron-related supposition.
A beta source is theoretically feasible as an explanation for TK’s device although a 2-3kW beta thermo-electric-generator is usually a bit larger (physically speaking). But I’ve studied cases when such beta-radioactive TEGs were left abandoned in the former USSR and they were found by regular citizens who had suffered horrifying illness and dead after opening them. I really hope TK is not messing with beta sources (which would render useless for OU case because of regulatory laws prohibiting them all over the world).
 
 
 
@ yfree,
 
I’m sorry but it’s nothing personal.
As for my explanation, I wait to see TK/SM/others running his/their house(s) on it before anything else.
To me the “inner alert” always beeps when seeing such movies (no matter how ‘impressive’) instead of seeing (or simply hearing of, for that matter) a million liters of water already pumped high hill and another million being pumped as we debate.
Also, as there are so many knowledgeable members in Tesla’s experiments, I wonder how can they be so sure TK’s device is nothing more than a pure Tesla resonant energy receiver getting its power from the associated transmitter that is plugged into the wall/power-grid?!!
I think my above concerns, although unpopular and probably hated by many, needs to be made vanishing before discussing another possible explanation.
 
Best regards,
Tinu
 
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Post by: yfree on December 20, 2012, 12:57:42 AM
...
I’m sorry but it’s nothing personal.
...

Of course, it's nothing personal.
 
It's for the sake of truth.

When somebody comes and calls other people's work "crap", uses expressions like
"Now things are indeed getting into avalanche into his mind" or
" It seems to me Mr. McFreey is not clear on such elementary issue" or
" It is obviously he departed completely from physics and science and he does not even understand the huge errors he makes…"
and poses as an expert on things that he has no clue about, has to be exposed as an imposter.

You admit yourself that you are not an expert:
" I’m not expert in NMR (only I had it studied years ago) and clearly I’m far from the position of writing about beta-NMR.".
So, do not pretend to be one.

I am a physicist and I do these things everyday, this includes beta-NMR.  I do not base my expertise on a single paper.
I know that the samples to be used for beta-NMR have to be prepared by irradiation only to get a certain desired sensitivity. To get beta-NMR signal, this is not necessary. In this case it is enough to rely on natural isotope composition of elements. But you, of course, are not aware of such details.

McFreey is not writing about conduction electrons at all and, unlike you,  he knows that the nucleus is capable of emitting electrons.

Be aware that there are other experts on this forum. I will make sure that your "expertise" will not be taken for granted and will expose any ignorant claims.
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Post by: elementSix on December 20, 2012, 03:23:32 AM
Here is an excerpt from an article that slappy  sent me..
Following his review of the scientific literature, Rasa states:

    "Now we've gone ahead, and we have several variations of how to capture this quantum tunneling effect, just by using copper and some type of magnetic material. Usually, we prefer sintered iron, which, when it melts back together, the atomic lattices are aligned magnetically. We make a special kind of sintered iron.

    "This is a way to channelize the two magnets at a 90-degree angle from each other. Basically, what it comes down to is, the larger the sintered iron magnet is, and the larger the copper windings are that you have around that thing, the more energy you can create from it.

    "You have to tune your system in. You have to get a high frequency digital oscilloscope -- up to 2 GHz range -- to find these huge spikes that come when the quantum tunneling effect happens. And then it's just a matter of catching it in a series of batteries and capacitors."

  http://pesn.com/2012/06/11/9602107_Rasas_Zero_Point_Institute_Announces_Emerging_Generators_Galore/ (http://pesn.com/2012/06/11/9602107_Rasas_Zero_Point_Institute_Announces_Emerging_Generators_Galore/)
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Post by: verpies on December 20, 2012, 07:42:19 AM
@tinu
Please refrain from making Ad Hominem remarks (personal comments about persons or their minds).

However you are free to rebut McFreey's concepts and scientific statements or evidence.
You are welcomed to rebut element6's, yfree's or anybody else's concepts, statements and evidence, just do not attack their persons.

I am a physicist and I do these things everyday, this includes beta-NMR.  I do not base my expertise on a single paper.
This is also an example of personal remark, albeit self-directed, because it does not address a concept or scientific evidence but is aimed at personal credibility.

I can confirm that I have never known yfree to write anything illogical on these forums and his statements indicate that he has a solid scientific background.  I also noticed that he is receptible to credible evidence and to arguments contrary to his position, which makes him a good partner for discussion.

Personally, I have never done beta-NMR but I have constructed one low field NMR device and multiple flux-gates (water magnetometers).
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Post by: verpies on December 20, 2012, 09:44:45 AM
Please consider these facts listed below as relevant to the McFreey paper:

1) Some nuclear reactions can be influenced by charged particles external to the nucleus.
    a) The rate of those nuclear reactions can be influenced:
        i) Experimental evidence: Betatron emissions are successfully used to initiate fission in some nuclear weapons
        ii) Experimental evidence: Ionization (electronic configuration) of the Rhenium187 atoms
            increases its bound-state β- decay rate by a factor of 1.26*109.
    b) The isotropy/directionality of those nuclear reactions can be influenced:
        i) Experimental evidence: The direction of beta decay byproducts, emitted from nuclei implanted in βNMR,
            is dependent on the magnetic spin polarization of these nuclei.
            (μSR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon_spin_spectroscopy) exibits similar decay anisotropy but muons do not qualify as nuclei, unless one wants to consider muonium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muonium))

2) The motion of fast charged particles (e.g. byproducts of β decay) inside solid matter can be affected by external factors:
     a) Experimental evidence: External magnetic field can curve the paths of positrons emitted by beta decay in solid matter
         in the same manner as Lorentz deflection as is illustrated by the decreased Positron Range in IMRI
         (see the attached illustration and this video (http://youtu.be/jdBvPkJv1YM?t=31m51s))
Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: tinu on December 20, 2012, 09:13:01 PM

@ verpies,

Ok. I can do a peer review for saving appearances once it is noted that in my view such papers will never get published as it would fail the most elementary and minimal editorial review. Having said that, my overreaction was due to the fact the two papers I considered misleading and largely erroneous I saw, to my stupefaction, were being taken as good literature.

Now, onto the good theoretical points you’ve raised:

1.”Some nuclear reactions can be influenced by charged particles external to the nucleus.”
Yes, I agree and it goes against the accepted paradigm. But then the paper should have said exactly that: TK’s device is supposed to have a hidden Re-187 (or Be-7 for that matter) source that needs to meet certain constrains (i.e to have a degree of ionization / particular chemical bonds etc), eventually explaining what those constraints mean. It would then have been clear to everyone (even to the layman – the targeted reader) that TK’s low complexity of the device is excluding such assumption. Moreover, it should be made clear that the charged particles intended to influence the decay rate are necessarily sub-atomic particles (electrons - explicitly) and their wave function will also essentially give a sufficient non-zero probability in the immediate vicinity of nucleus so as the influence upon decay rate be exerted. Instead, it is implied that beta decay can be influenced by the mere application of external electric and/or magnetic fields, which is false.
According to the above your point is valid but I think it is beyond the scope of Mr. McFreey’s paper(s).

2. The motion of fast charged particles (e.g. byproducts of β decay) inside solid matter can be affected by external factors.
Yes, obviously the motion can be affected, a fact that is known since the early discovery of radioactivity. But not according to the equations given in the paper. Those simple equations are grossly misused. It is not even mentioned the validity conditions of those equations, nor it is discussed if they can or can not be used at all. Nevertheless, the numerical results are taken as “crude estimations” further on in the paper and used for other considerations but the fact is the said equations are not applicable at all for metals! That’s because conduction electrons in metals obey Fermi-Dirac distribution, having for Copper a Fermi energy of about 7eV corresponding to a Fermi velocity of about 1.5km/s and a mean free path of only about 40nm. Can 40nm be favorably compared with “a circular path with radius r = 3 cm” as given in the paper? Of course not!

In opposition to the above, in your example video the matter is non-metallic: it is a tissue. But according to the paper “It is believed that copper or an alloy of copper or iron are Kapanadze's materials of choice and that material is used as fuel …” Paper explicitly speaks of metallic and conductive solids only: “However, this statement also applies to Zinc, Iron and many other metallic elements. Thus these elements and alloys of these elements, such as brass, can also be used as fuel.” and “The main secret of the Kapanadze coil is the conductive disc or ring placed within the coil.
Again, according to the above I think your point is valid but it not applicable to the device specifically described in Mr. McFreey’s paper(s).


At this stage, I think it may be better to discuss possible meanings of the following excerpts and maybe to hear from the author his own reasoning/explanation behind them, in close conjunction with TK’s device and McFreey’s papers and not with other far-off theoretical considerations:
“avalanche particle multiplication (induced transmutation)”
“it undergoes stimulated transmutation”
“pulsating multiplication current” – emphasis on possible OU mechanism; multiplication of current is used in many devices on the expense of an external power source.
“The lateral confinement of charged particles in this arrangement was also noticed by other prominent physicists active in the field of alternative energy.” – also references, if possible
“This way, modulating the magnetic field which penetrates the disc, while under nuclear magnetic resonance, in effect creates very strong pulses of multiplication current within the disc…”
“If not grounded, the voltage on the disc would get very high”
“There are other methods of achieving pulsed multiplication current in a conductive ring…” – again, emphasis on possible OU mechanism
“ It should be noted that the multiplication current is different from regular current as it is composed of fast-moving charged particles rather than a large number of slow-moving conduction electrons.”
“The charged particles are held in orbit by the Lorentz force generated by the modulated magnetic field permeating the material which is normally in the form of a disc, ring or tube.” – not in metals! but again maybe part of the phenomenon is not sufficiently detailed to be properly understood by the reader.
“It must be stressed that no laws of physics, as we know them today, are violated here.” – what is the energy source and what is the energy balance, then?
The following analysis shows that Tariel’s device is in fact, a dual, solid-state isochronous cyclotron-like device (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron)...” – emphasis on the vacuum chamber needed for cyclotron or alternatives to it, if any.

There is more to clear but I’d be happy starting with the above for now.

Best regards,
Tinu

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Post by: tinu on December 20, 2012, 09:21:32 PM
Indeed, there was one Ad hominem remark in one of my post.
I apologize to Mr. McFreey and to members for that!

Best regards,
Tinu
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Post by: wasabi on December 21, 2012, 01:44:37 AM
I'd like to notice that the range of 1MeV beta particles in copper is between 0.5mm and 1mm.  That's ~106 more than the free mean path of conduction electrons in the single eV range.

Also the "beta range" of positrons in metals seem to be slightly higher than for fast electrons of the same energy in the same solid metal.  I cannot explain why the difference in copper is apx. +0.1mm for positrons.

A fast electron that is the result of 64Cu beta decay can survive for 1mm at most in solid copper, but there is no way it can survive for 20cm or for multiple orbits of such length.
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Post by: yfree on December 21, 2012, 02:48:00 AM
A fast electron that the result of 64Cu beta decay can survive for 1mm at most in solid copper, but there is no way it can survive for 20cm or for multiple orbits of such length.

Very good remark.
McFreey never suggested that the electrons in the orbit are always the same as in the regular cyclotron, not to mention, they make multiple orbits. This is the quote:
"Thus, the circulating particles are not the same in the orbit as it is in a normal cyclotron. On the contrary, a charged particle's life-time in the disc is very short, and they are constantly being absorbed and regenerated at the expense of element transmutation within the material.  However, between collisions, these particles are still subject to the Lorentz force."
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Post by: yfree on December 21, 2012, 02:54:51 AM
 :) .
Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: wasabi on December 21, 2012, 09:19:50 AM
Please watch this video by TK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY), and present on this forum a reasonable explanation of the working principle of this "OU" device.
I hate to write this but in light of Wattsup's latest video analysis (http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg348601/#msg348601) of Tariel Kapanadze's clandestine delivery of external electric power to his 2004 device (a.k.a. "green box") by the "bearded guy" (see here (http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Tariel-Kapanadze/greenbox/hand-moves1.gif)), I bet on a stator or even a complete motor being hidden in the white foam and being powered by an external supply of electric current fed through electric contacts concealed in the little feet on the bottom of the device, that are visible when it is lifted up.

BTW:
In reference to McFreey's diagram, the magnetic steel flux guides, adjacent to the brass disks, are missing in this video.
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Post by: elementSix on December 22, 2012, 01:09:39 AM
If anyone needs proof that a form of NMR is what is going on and they aren't smart enough to put all the puzzel pieces together.  Take a look at the UP TO 5KW DEVICES by Tarieal Kapanadze.  Since I posted all that info.  All of the regurlar guys have used their other screen names to help in the TK fake bashing party.  It's a joke.  Just do the experament and find the resonance of the copper or iron and use a good signal pulsing device and you will get all the proof you need.  I have talked to a professor at a University about using a Terranova NMR setup.  I will have some quick info on what metals or ceramics I am going to use with my device and what Frequency's are used.  Zeitmachine just posted info about Paramagnetic Resonance.  He called it Parametric Resonance.  Not sure what the diff. is, but same thing is achieved.
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Post by: verpies on December 22, 2012, 10:45:29 AM
To obtain a proof of NMR in TK's devices, you would need access to his devices.
AFAIK TK never allowed anyone to closely inspect his devices (e.g. with an oscilloscope).  Why do you think he'd allow you?

The gyromagnetic ratio of copper and iron has been determined a long time ago.  The conclusion was, that some isotopes of these elements can support NMR.
However, NMR alone, is not an energy releasing process (millions of experiments support this conclusion).

Answering your question: A parametric resonance is a form of LC resonance in which the inductance (L) or capacitance (C) is varied.  On the other hand, the paramagnetic resonance is the resonance of atomic electron spins happening in GHz range.  See here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_spin_resonance).
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Post by: yfree on December 22, 2012, 05:45:53 PM
Ok. I can do a peer review for saving appearances once it is noted that in my view such papers will never get published as it would fail the most elementary and minimal editorial review. Having said that, my overreaction was due to the fact the two papers I considered misleading and largely erroneous I saw, to my stupefaction, were being taken as good literature.

After reading this preamble one cannot doubt that the review will be unfair and biased.
Yet, the papers were peer reviewed and published, and amazingly, they are taken as good literature by many, including many physicists.
McFreey introduces some novel ideas and concepts and addresses them to a wide audience. He simplifies things and decides not to go into details in some cases. Almost every publication assumes certain degree of knowledge from the reader, this one is no different. It is difficult though, to satisfy all and be concise.
Innovators are almost always ridiculed, especially when they depart from conventional ways. This is annoying, but not new.
It appears that this review is based on a suspicious version of the papers. Versions appearing outside the PJKbook may not be up-to-date or genuine.
1.”Some nuclear reactions can be influenced by charged particles external to the nucleus.”
Yes, I agree and it goes against the accepted paradigm.
I fully agree.

But then the paper should have said exactly that: TK’s device is supposed to have a hidden Re-187 (or Be-7 for that matter) source that needs to meet certain constrains (i.e to have a degree of ionization / particular chemical bonds etc), eventually explaining what those constraints mean.
This is not McFreey's idea, so it is irrelevant here.

It would then have been clear to everyone (even to the layman – the targeted reader) that TK’s low complexity of the device is excluding such assumption. Moreover, it should be made clear that the charged particles intended to influence the decay rate are necessarily sub-atomic particles (electrons - explicitly) and their wave function will also essentially give a sufficient non-zero probability in the immediate vicinity of nucleus so as the influence upon decay rate be exerted.
Wave function will be helpful to " the layman – the targeted reader "?
A physicist does not need this, it is standard thinking.
McFreey mentions electrons and beta particles quite often. Are these not sub-atomic when McFreey mentions them?

Instead, it is implied that beta decay can be influenced by the mere application of external electric and/or magnetic fields, which is false.
Beta decay can be influenced by the mere application of external magnetic fields, at least in the standard beta-NMR, and there is no evidence that it is false in the case described by McFreey.

According to the above your point is valid but I think it is beyond the scope of Mr. McFreey’s paper(s).
I my opinion, this is a biased conclusion.

2. The motion of fast charged particles (e.g. byproducts of β decay) inside solid matter can be affected by external factors.
Yes, obviously the motion can be affected, a fact that is known since the early discovery of radioactivity. But not according to the equations given in the paper. Those simple equations are grossly misused. It is not even mentioned the validity conditions of those equations, nor it is discussed if they can or can not be used at all. Nevertheless, the numerical results are taken as “crude estimations” further on in the paper and used for other considerations but the fact is the said equations are not applicable at all for metals!
Not in general. "However, between collisions, these particles are still subject to the Lorentz force."
This is why McFreey is talking about approximations and crude estimations. But it is not true that he does not mention the validity conditions of those equations.


That’s because conduction electrons in metals obey Fermi-Dirac distribution, having for Copper a Fermi energy of about 7eV corresponding to a Fermi velocity of about 1.5km/s and a mean free path of only about 40nm.

Assuming that in metals only conduction electrons exist, is a major error.
McFreey does not write about conduction electrons. Thus, invoking here the Fermi-Dirac distribution, Fermi energy and Fermi velocity of about 1.5km/s and a mean free path of only about 40nm, is completely out of touch.


Can 40nm be favorably compared with “a circular path with radius r = 3 cm” as given in the paper? Of course not!
Of course yes!
Beta particles do exist in metals! The path between interactions of fast electrons in metal may be short, but their motion may still, on average, be governed by the equations and depending on the value of the magnetic field and speed of the particle, the local radius of that short path can easily be 3 cm or larger. This is still a circular path, though partial. This, combined with absorption and re-emission of charged particles, under certain conditions, as proposed by McFreey, may easily produce a full circular path. McFreey explains this thoroughly: "Thus, the circulating particles are not the same in the orbit as it is in a normal cyclotron. On the contrary, a charged particle's life-time in the disc is very short, and they are constantly being absorbed and regenerated at the expense of element transmutation within the material.  However, between collisions, these particles are still subject to the Lorentz force."
Time will tell how good or crude these estimates are.

In opposition to the above, in your example video the matter is non-metallic: it is a tissue. But according to the paper “It is believed that copper or an alloy of copper or iron are Kapanadze's materials of choice and that material is used as fuel …” Paper explicitly speaks of metallic and conductive solids only: “However, this statement also applies to Zinc, Iron and many other metallic elements. Thus these elements and alloys of these elements, such as brass, can also be used as fuel.” and “The main secret of the Kapanadze coil is the conductive disc or ring placed within the coil.
Again, according to the above I think your point is valid but it not applicable to the device specifically described in Mr. McFreey’s paper(s).
The problem is, that the quotations here are outdated. The most up-to-date version of the paper can be found here (http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/PJKBook.html). In view of the discussion above, one cannot exclude a possibility of McFreey's phenomenon happening in metals or conductive media. However, it is not true that the paper explicitly speaks of metallic and conductive solids only: "In principle, the multiplication disc does not have to be conductive. The multiplication phenomenon does not rely on conduction electrons, but on fast-moving beta particles.  All that is needed, are the initial fast, charged particles and the transmutation material embedded in the magnetic field.  In this respect a ferrite ring may also serve the purpose..."
Thus, the argument presented by verpies is valid and one cannot exclude it's applicability to the device specifically described in Mr. McFreey’s papers.

At this stage, I think it may be better to discuss possible meanings of the following excerpts and maybe to hear from the author his own reasoning/explanation behind them, in close conjunction with TK’s device and McFreey’s papers and not with other far-off theoretical considerations:
“avalanche particle multiplication (induced transmutation)”
“it undergoes stimulated transmutation”
“pulsating multiplication current” – emphasis on possible OU mechanism; multiplication of current is used in many devices on the expense of an external power source.
“The lateral confinement of charged particles in this arrangement was also noticed by other prominent physicists active in the field of alternative energy.” – also references, if possible
“This way, modulating the magnetic field which penetrates the disc, while under nuclear magnetic resonance, in effect creates very strong pulses of multiplication current within the disc…”
“If not grounded, the voltage on the disc would get very high”
“There are other methods of achieving pulsed multiplication current in a conductive ring…” – again, emphasis on possible OU mechanism
“ It should be noted that the multiplication current is different from regular current as it is composed of fast-moving charged particles rather than a large number of slow-moving conduction electrons.”
“The charged particles are held in orbit by the Lorentz force generated by the modulated magnetic field permeating the material which is normally in the form of a disc, ring or tube.” – not in metals! but again maybe part of the phenomenon is not sufficiently detailed to be properly understood by the reader.
So far, I did not hear complaints about these terms... only now. I hope McFreey will take this into consideration, although I can clarify some of them as they appear elementary to me.
One problem though, McFreey does not claim overunity.

“It must be stressed that no laws of physics, as we know them today, are violated here.” – what is the energy source and what is the energy balance, then?
This is explained in the papers.

 
The following analysis shows that Tariel’s device is in fact, a dual, solid-state isochronous cyclotron-like device (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron))...” – emphasis on the vacuum chamber needed for cyclotron or alternatives to it, if any.
Interesting. Somehow Kapanadze or Mark do not seem to be using vacuum cyclotrons.
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Post by: elementSix on December 22, 2012, 08:06:36 PM
Good stuff. yfree.  I need help with suggestions.  I have put my name on a waiting list to us a Terranova EFNMR device.  I have a good relative that works at a big University near me in Cincinnati and he got me on the list.  It will be after the holidays, but I don't think that i'll get any real high voltages off of this device because the rf pulse goes into the Oscillating magnetic field coil and it isn't hitting the sample directly.  I need suggestions from everyone and I know I need a ground to the sample and a good coil wrapped around it to get the signal.  I need info on what to use as a sample i.e.. Copper, iron, copper covered iron, ceramics ect..  So take some time and let me know.  What do I need to bring and I'll have about 3 inch diameter.  What I need to ground, diodes ect.. everything really.
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Post by: verpies on December 22, 2012, 08:13:13 PM
@yfree

Wow, what a exhaustive reply!

I understand that nuclear spin polarization changes the spatial distribution of β decay products without affecting the rate of β decay, as illustrated by the principles of βNMR spectroscopy.

Thus, spin polarization might be useful in increasing the probability of emitting β particles within a single plane.
Furthermore, the Lorentz' deflection can affect paths of β particles in the interatomic spaces of solid matter.
While β particles are in this interatomic space, they are a subject to the Lorentz force which makes them follow arced paths of  large radii.
For example, according to the ICRU Report 37 (http://www.icru.org/home/reports/stopping-powers-for-electrons-and-positions-report-37) an average beta particle in copper traverses 1 million interatomic spaces, before it annihilates or its energy dissipates.

But spin polarization is not the same as NMR, since NMR includes an additional component, namely the RF induced precession of nuclei.

I don't understand why McFreey insists that this precession of nuclei is essential and does not stop at nuclear spin polarization, alone. 

Does anyone understand the purpose of this nuclear precession ?
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Post by: elementSix on December 23, 2012, 02:05:32 AM
To obtain a proof of NMR in TK's devices, you would need access to his devices.
AFAIK TK never allowed anyone to closely inspect his devices (e.g. with an oscilloscope).  Why do you think he'd allow you?

The gyromagnetic ratio of copper and iron has been determined a long time ago.  The conclusion was, that some isotopes of these elements can support NMR.
However, NMR alone, is not an energy releasing process (millions of experiments support this conclusion).

Answering your question: A parametric resonance is a form of LC resonance in which the inductance (L) or capacitance (C) is varied.  On the other hand, the paramagnetic resonance is the resonance of atomic electron spins happening in GHz range.  See here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_spin_resonance).

Thanks for that verpies.  I know that the newer SM TPU video.  The secrets that the Aus. guy talks about, says that the TPU uses the earth's Magnetic field for the stable magnetic field and they just use the RF pulses to create the excess energy.  I believe that they use the copper or aluminum wire are the source for the synthetic energy produced.  Have you done anything recently with Paramagnetic Resonace??  Any help will be appreciated.  I know that NMR can't produce the voltage we need because it uses the RF pulses with the magnetic field coils and doesn't hit the sample directly.  Wich is what I think needs to be done..

So what we believe so far is that NMR or EFMNR is not the exact source but a for of EFNMR which is Electron Paramagnetic Resonance is more likely what we need to use which is very similar.  The problem I have is I am broke at the moment and till I get a new job, then I can afford to get a great RF signal generator.  Do you think that TK's device uses CW (continuous wave) function in his device or wide band RF pulses or CW?
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Post by: elementSix on December 23, 2012, 02:42:12 AM
Now that Magnacoaster has finally shipped out a bunch of devices.  The guy from the article I read about it, said that it uses Quantum Tunneling.  Just like in NMR, they excite the nucli with the electrons with High Frequency RF pulses and when the Nucli move with the electrons from the low energy state into the High energy state, the electrons disappear into another dimension and when they pop back they are carrying extra electrons and when they move back to the low energy state they emit those extra electrons.  How cool is that.

http://pesn.com/2012/06/11/9602107_Rasas_Zero_Point_Institute_Announces_Emerging_Generators_Galore/ (http://pesn.com/2012/06/11/9602107_Rasas_Zero_Point_Institute_Announces_Emerging_Generators_Galore/)
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Post by: verpies on December 23, 2012, 08:49:00 AM
The secrets that the Aus. guy talks about, says that the TPU uses the earth's Magnetic field for the stable magnetic field and they just use the RF pulses to create the excess energy. 
It is possible to use Earth's magnetic field to polarize nuclei. Also, it is possible to use RF pulses to cause their forced precession.
This method is abbreviated as EF-NMR.
However, I do not know how nuclear precession can release excess energy.

I believe that they use the copper or aluminum wire are the source for the synthetic energy produced.  Have you done anything recently with Paramagnetic Resonace??  Any help will be appreciated. 
I have not done anything with Electron Paramagnetic Resonance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_spin_resonance).  The frequencies needed for it are in microwave range - usually 10-100GHz.  Pulsed EPR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulsed_EPR) requires pulses in nanosecond range.  Also, very few substances exhibit any ESR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_spin_resonance) effect because very few substances have unpaired electrons.
...but, I have done some NMR experiments since it requires frequencies only in the low MHz range.

I know that NMR can't produce the voltage we need because it uses the RF pulses with the magnetic field coils and doesn't hit the sample directly.  Which is what I think needs to be done..
The nuclear precession in NMR does not cause any flow of electric current (movement of charges) even if the RF pulses penetrate the sample.
If the sample is conductive then RF pulses might induce some HF AC current of conduction electrons in it due to the antenna effect or skin/Eddy effect, but not due to nuclear precession.

So what we believe so far is that NMR or EFMNR is not the exact source
Source of what?

but a for of EFNMR which is Electron Paramagnetic Resonance is more likely what we need to use which is very similar. 
EF-NMR is not EF-EPR despite their principles being similar (first spin polarization and then its disturbance).  The microwave frequencies (~10GHz) make it very hard to work with EPR on a kitchen table.

Do you think that TK's device uses CW (continuous wave) function in his device or wide band RF pulses or CW?
If TK's devices are not fake and work according to principles outlined by McFreey, then my bet would be on wideband nanosecond pulses or FM sinewave around the anticipated frequency, possibly combined with LF AM modulation of the polarizing magnetic field (as in the Yoke device (http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg303957/#msg303957), which IMHO was the only reasonably well documented functioning device).
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Post by: verpies on December 23, 2012, 09:12:57 AM
the electrons disappear into another dimension and when they pop back they are carrying extra electrons and when they move back to the low energy state they emit those extra electrons.  How cool is that.
Far out.
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Post by: elementSix on December 23, 2012, 08:04:58 PM
It is possible to use Earth's magnetic field to polarize nuclei. Also, it is possible to use RF pulses to cause their forced precession.
This method is abbreviated as EF-NMR.
However, I do not know how nuclear precession can release excess energy.


Ok,  What happens when you use NMR.  Now if you have a very good homogenous field and very good, very short pulses.  You get all the Nucli in the sample to spin at all the same time and spin vector at all the same time.  When they do this they produce a small magnetic field around the Nucli.  Now if they are all in sync together and spin that magnetic field around whatever axis, ie.. x,z or y.  Wouldn't that one mass of the spinning field create the energy in the copper wire around it or even if the sample is copper itself?  That spinning magnetic field, would it be strong enough to create those electrons in the conducting copper?
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Post by: yfree on December 23, 2012, 09:36:02 PM
Now that Magnacoaster has finally shipped out a bunch of devices.  The guy from the article I read about it, said that it uses Quantum Tunneling.  Just like in NMR, they excite the nucli with the electrons with High Frequency RF pulses and when the Nucli move with the electrons from the low energy state into the High energy state, the electrons disappear into another dimension and when they pop back they are carrying extra electrons and when they move back to the low energy state they emit those extra electrons.  How cool is that.

I like your dedication, it certainly stands out.
However, be aware that what different inventors say about their devices has to be heavily filtered. Kapanadze never said anything sensible about his devices. The best he did was when he released the video of the "gravitation motor". Of course, this device has nothing to do with gravitation, except that it is heavy. But this motor exposed the simplicity of the device and it's possible working principle. The trick of disguising the primary coil of the rotary transformer into a toroid, in that device, was clever and spooked many.
Steven Mark had a mixture of truth and fiction. It is understandable that he was not completely honest when he said that his device was converting "natural magnetic field of the Earth" to energy. But he was honest partially because his device was using magnetic field in some way. He also was mentioning electrons moving near the speed of light, which points to beta-particles.
One thing is certain: NMR or EPR will not give additional energy on their own. You will be able to see it for yourself how weak the spin signal is on the Terranova NMR.
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Post by: verpies on December 23, 2012, 11:30:12 PM
OK,  What happens when you use NMR.  Now if you have a very good homogeneous field and very good, very short pulses.  You get all the Nuclei in the sample to spin at all the same time and spin vector at all the same time. 
All of the unpaired nuclei are already spinning and there is no way to stop them, as far as I know.

Only a magnetic field is necessary to align their spin axes in one direction - this is called polarizing the nuclei.
This polarization will happen even in inhomogeneous magnetic field.
The RF pulses are not necessary to align the spin axes. RF pulses are necessary only to cause their precession.

A homogeneous magnetic field is necessary only to keep this precession at the same frequency and in phase.  See here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YBUSOrH0lw).

It is possible to convert the motion of nuclear precession into RF energy but I do not know of any method to convert the motion of nuclear spin into usable energy.

P.S.
When a polarized nuclei undergo beta decay, the directions of beta particles ejected from these nuclei, have a preferred orientation. Non-polarized nuclei that undergo beta decay emit beta particles at the same rate but in all directions with equal probability since their spin axes are randomly oriented (unpolarized).
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Post by: yfree on December 24, 2012, 01:00:13 AM
...
It is possible to convert the motion of nuclear precession into RF energy but I do not know of any method to convert the motion of nuclear spin into usable energy.
...


One known method of converting the motion of nuclear spin into usable energy is... beta-decay, nuclear reaction in general.
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Post by: verpies on December 24, 2012, 09:09:42 AM
One known method of converting the motion of nuclear spin into usable energy is... beta-decay, nuclear reaction in general.
That's an interesting way of looking at it. 
I always perceived beta-decay in the conventional manner: the conversion of nucleons into protons/neutrons with the emission of anti/neutrinos and fast electrons/positrons, the weak force and all...

...but nuclear spin converting into those particles, hmm... an interesting way of looking at it. 

Anyway, the most important issue for McFreey's bulk energy conversion is the stimulation/enhancement of the beta decay rate. 
βNMR only illustrates spatial anisotropy of beta decay product emissions, as a result of nuclear spin polarization. I still do not understand how nuclear precession can enhance the beta-decay rate. I am not even sure that McFreey claims such enhancement.
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Post by: Neo-X on December 24, 2012, 12:07:58 PM
Imho, tpu and isotopic generator are the same in operation.
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Post by: Neo-X on December 24, 2012, 12:08:43 PM
Imho, tpu and isotopic generator are the same in operation.
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Post by: Neo-X on December 24, 2012, 12:09:09 PM
Imho, tpu and isotopic generator are the same in operation.
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Post by: verpies on December 24, 2012, 01:49:50 PM
Imho, tpu and isotopic generator are the same in operation.
Justify it (one time preferably)
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Post by: yfree on December 24, 2012, 04:31:47 PM
That's an interesting way of looking at it. 
I always perceived beta-decay in the conventional manner: the conversion of nucleons into protons/neutrons with the emission of anti/neutrinos and fast electrons/positrons, the weak force and all...

...but nuclear spin converting into those particles, hmm... an interesting way of looking at it. 

Anyway, the most important issue for McFreey's bulk energy conversion is the stimulation/enhancement of the beta decay rate. 
βNMR only illustrates spatial anisotropy of beta decay product emissions, as a result of nuclear spin polarization. I still do not understand how nuclear precession can enhance the beta-decay rate. I am not even sure that McFreey claims such enhancement.

Beta-decay results not only in emission of particles. It is often accompanied by changes in nuclear spin.
Thus the energy of the emitted particles may partially come from the spin change.
For instance:
69Cu (spin 3/2) ->  69Zn (spin 1/2) + beta-decay + E
Will this reaction result in mechanical rotation of the disk?
I think, McFreey avoids details in some areas as they are too complex and mostly vague.
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Post by: forest on December 24, 2012, 04:44:07 PM
what is the connection between NMR and ferrite rod antenna ?
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Post by: slapper on December 24, 2012, 06:31:01 PM
showing my ignorance....

<snip>what is the energy source and what is the energy balance, then?</snip>

my take is when you find your source that allows constant spin on the elements in an atom, you'll find the source.

the limited analogy that i have is if a spinning top were to have a spin like the proton, then approach the spinning top's surface glently and give the spinning top's spinning surface a slight tap, it will precess. tap it slightly at the right time intervals like pushing a swing set will cause the spinning top to precess longer.

<snip>Does anyone understand the purpose of this nuclear precession ?<snip>

i think it depends on if the protons/neutrons influence the electron orbit. if it does i'm 'one track minding it' to flux cutting.

here is a snip from one of bearden's shows where he talks about floyd sweet's vta device. 'bearden's take on the floyd sweet device (http://youtu.be/QyO2wWsToKk)'. the parts that i understand are what i think would be the safest approach to a solution.

i'm interested in thoughts on this.

thanks.

nap
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Post by: tinu on December 24, 2012, 06:39:07 PM
Merry Christmas everyone!
Time out for me until 2013 so I wish you Happy New Year!
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Post by: elementSix on December 25, 2012, 10:55:59 PM
Merry Christmas to all researchers and hopes for a great 2013,  Great hopes have been given over the last few weeks.  The realstrannik Russian forum has 2 very hopeful devices which of one has been replicated.  So lets all focus on the RED device and The MUSTAFA device.  The Mustafa device has a 200w input with 2.5Kw output.  Both devices use pulsed tech and the RED device uses Ferrit rings that are inside a large coil.  I think at least the RED device is an NMR type using ferromagnets as the sample target.  So check these out.  The creators aren't very forthcoming with the type of diodes and Thyristors used but there is enough info to  do your own device.  Do not ignore this, it is what we are needing and it has to be made and put into friends and family's homes.  They should sign a non-disclosure agreement and not talk about it, just to keep it secret until there are hundreds of them in your home towns.  Remember to only put them into homes where the people don't work with or have family that work for the Energy company's.  I know I am getting way ahead of myself but this is the only way to get it out there.  Just food for thought.  Merry Christmas and hope that Santa and God bring us this great device..
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Post by: elementSix on December 25, 2012, 11:25:18 PM
showing my ignorance....
my take is when you find your source that allows constant spin on the elements in an atom, you'll find the source.
the limited analogy that i have is if a spinning top were to have a spin like the proton, then approach the spinning top's surface glently and give the spinning top's spinning surface a slight tap, it will precess. tap it slightly at the right time intervals like pushing a swing set will cause the spinning top to precess longer.
i think it depends on if the protons/neutrons influence the electron orbit. if it does i'm 'one track minding it' to flux cutting.
here is a snip from one of bearden's shows where he talks about floyd sweet's vta device. 'bearden's take on the floyd sweet device (http://youtu.be/QyO2wWsToKk)'. the parts that i understand are what i think would be the safest approach to a solution.
i'm interested in thoughts on this.
thanks.

nap
Nice explanation.  Thats what we need,  to keep the top spinning.  Thats what the 2 RF frequency's are for.  When we spin the Nucli from the low energy state to the high energy state, it becomes saturated and requires a different frequency to move it again.  Some spin from the higher energy state to the lower energy state.  It depends on the material.  But the different energy state nucli amounts are very close.  The lower energy state Nucli are a little more populous in the material than the higher energy state Nucli.  CW is the old form of NMR, which isn't nearly as powerful as the pulsed systems.  Does anyone think that using a wide band of RF signals at once can work as good as using just certain RF pulses that are the resonant frequency's?  Probably not.
Thanks for that clip slappy.  Have you looked at the RED and Mustafa Schematics?? I have problems using the Russian realstrannik forum with google translate.  I am going to PM the russian guy on the 5KW TK forum to help us figure out the Thyristors and diodes used in them.  Heres the Mustafa circuit.  Plus theres another from Russia that I'm not sure whats going on because its in Russian.
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Post by: verpies on December 26, 2012, 01:37:27 AM
the RED device uses Ferrit rings that are inside a large coil.  I think at least the RED device is an NMR type using ferromagnets as the sample target.
Interesting.
What else is known about the RED device from the russian forums?
Any waveform data? Any coil construction details?  Any core details?

The thyristors are low performance devices by today's standards - Latching and inferior power handling compared to IGBTs and much slower than MOSFETs.  Using thyristors should not be much of an obstacle.

Merry Christmas to you, too.
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Post by: yfree on December 26, 2012, 02:27:04 AM
Have you looked at the RED and Mustafa Schematics??
Yes, RED and Mustafa schematics have a chance of working.
Mustafa seems to be closer. At least, in Mustafa schematic, it should be possible to efficiently transfer power from P1 to P2 (see below). It does not mean though that any two transformers connected through a 60 uF capacitor will transfer power efficiently from P1 to P2.
To accomplish this, the circuit (L2+L3)C1 has to resonate at 50 or 60 Hz (depending on the grid frequency). This means that C1 has to be adjusted (tuned). Induced  resonant oscillations in this circuit are biasing the core of the transformer T2.
However, there is more to this schematic than initially meets the eye.
Transformer T2, depending on it's shape and core cross-section, is just another possible implementation of the arrangement from Michel Meyer patent CZ 284,333. In here,  L3 provides magnetic biasing and magnetic modulation and L4 serves as a pick-up coil and supplies RF excitation, when pulsed either by a spark-gap or a thyristor. The detailed working principle of this kind of an arrangement has already been described by McFreey.
Induced transmutation of the core material in transformer T2 may provide additional energy. It does not mean though that any two transformers will do the trick.
The circuit, depending on implementation, has a working potential.
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Post by: Magluvin on December 26, 2012, 06:57:31 AM


It looks like the transformers might be different, as in power handling.

T1 is 270w and T2 is 3kw


Mags
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Post by: elementSix on December 26, 2012, 08:19:38 AM
This is just an excerpt from a Joseph Boyd patent.  Its pretty interesting.  Check it out here if you want..

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2008/0129397.html (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2008/0129397.html)
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Post by: Neo-X on December 26, 2012, 09:03:34 AM
@all


Is mustafa device proven ou?
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Post by: Dave45 on December 26, 2012, 02:44:38 PM
Merry Christmas to all researchers and hopes for a great 2013,  Great hopes have been given over the last few weeks.  The realstrannik Russian forum has 2 very hopeful devices which of one has been replicated.  So lets all focus on the RED device and The MUSTAFA device.  The Mustafa device has a 200w input with 2.5Kw output.  Both devices use pulsed tech and the RED device uses Ferrit rings that are inside a large coil.  I think at least the RED device is an NMR type using ferromagnets as the sample target.  So check these out.  The creators aren't very forthcoming with the type of diodes and Thyristors used but there is enough info to  do your own device.  Do not ignore this, it is what we are needing and it has to be made and put into friends and family's homes.  They should sign a non-disclosure agreement and not talk about it, just to keep it secret until there are hundreds of them in your home towns.  Remember to only put them into homes where the people don't work with or have family that work for the Energy company's.  I know I am getting way ahead of myself but this is the only way to get it out there.  Just food for thought.  Merry Christmas and hope that Santa and God bring us this great device..
Do you have a link or image
very interesting discussion
Thanks
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Post by: elementSix on December 26, 2012, 08:33:06 PM
I think it's interesting that Joseph Boyd uses a copper pipe to help trap EM radiation, that is then used to create usable currents.  Here is some pics of it.
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Post by: elementSix on December 26, 2012, 09:29:59 PM
This is what Ceprea B, our Russian guy on the Forum says about the Red Device.

-> TRY RED SCHEMATIC AND YOU WILL NO REGRET. SECRET OF SHAMANADZE IS HERE !!
ALL OU GENERATORS USE ONLY ONE #1 PRINCIPE. DALLY USED THE SAME PRINCIPE. DISCOVERY BELONG TO ONLY ONE #1 NIKOLA TESLA. HE DID IT BEFOR 100 YEARS AGO BUT JEWISH BANKERS(ILLUMINATI CABAL) STOPPED HIM TO GIVE IT FREE TO WHOLE MANKIND. SO OUR DUTY IS TO CORRECT THIS TERRIBLE MISTAKE NOW. AND BANKERS CAN GO TO ANOTHER PLANET (IF PERMIT THEM ........ )TO DIG UP FOR OIL. AS STEVE P. SAID F....BANK...S
TO DLLABARRE
THIS IS RED TOPIC. WATCH VIDEOS !! COIL HAS 3 LAYERS WINDINGS - SIMPLE WINDINGS. YOU CAN TRY TESLA BIFILAR, CADUCEUS COIL, TRIFILAR OR ANY CONFIGURATION. MAYBE YOU GET MORE POWER THAN HE GOT. RED POWER BALANS IS MIN 2:1. ON INPUT 36V, 2.5A. HE WAS LIGHTEN 1KW LIGHT BULB AND 300W. USE THICK MONTAGE PVC CONDUCTOR 2mm-3mm IN DIAMETER. MAKE BAR FROM 10-15 STRONG Ne2Fe14B MAGNETS AND WIND 3 LAYERS OVER (or 4,5,6...). TRY MULLER COILS 3 STEPPED COILS, ALSO TRY DON SMITH COIL, WINDINGS FACE TO FACE IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS. CAPACITORS ARE ALL HV FROM MICROWAVE OVEN, DIODE COLUMN FROM КЦ201 RUSSIAN AVALANCHE DIODES. PUT THEM IN SERIES FOR VOLTAGE 25-30 KV. MAKE OWN EXPERIMENTS AND ANALIZE ALL WHAT YOU GOT. DON'T WAIT FINAL SCHEMATIC FROM ANYBODY !!
RED ADVICE. DON'T USE HIGH RESISTANCE (IMPEDANCE) LOAD. USE LOW RESISTANCE LOAD 2BULBS 300WATT IN PARALLEL !!
MY ADVICE.IF YOU WANT TO CATCH OVERUNITY PUMP AS MUCH POWER AS YOU CAN FOR EXPERIMENTS. TRANSISTORS IRFP460 OR BETTER IGBT, SEVERAL IN PARALEL 5-10 PEACES LIKE AVISO DID ON PHILIPPINES. RDS(ON) MUST BE VERY VERY LOW. (0.0XX OR 0.000XX OHMS). ТДКС (FLYBACK) PRIMARY SEVERAL WINDINGS HEAVY COOPER WIRE AS ON SCHEMATIC. TESLA DID IT WITH VERY LARGE POWERS ON INPUT. IF YOU CAN PUMP 1KWATT ON INPUT AND TRY TO GET 100KWATT ON OUTPUT. 90% OF ALL ERRORS ARE VERU LOW POWER LEVELS ON INPUT. YOU CAN'T PUT 1 MICROWATT AND GET 1MEGAWATT. USE ABOUT 300-500 WATTS ON INPUT AND TRIM THE OUTPUT FOR MAXIMUM POWER. THIS RED CIRCUIT WORK. IF YOU GOT 5-10KWATT IS ENOUGH FOR WARMING HOME AND HAVE ALWAYS 100o DEGREES BOILING WATER.

RED TOPIC IS HERE
http://realstrannik.ru/forum/39-kapanadze/99249-replika-ot-reda.html#99249

HIS VIDEOS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-LQcZx4ObI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCUH5PqrkIU

ONE OF HIS FIRST VIDEOS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT7QEwz8ORI

ONE MORE THING. IF YOU HAVE MADE TESLA COIL JUST PUT DIODES AND CAPACITORS LIKE IN SCHEMATIC AND TRY.ALSO REMEMBER FEL SCHEMATIC IN HIS 7KWATTS DEVICE HE USED λ/4 BALANCE COIL INSIDE TESLA TRANSFORMER SECONDARY BUT IN OPPOSITE SIDE WINDINGS. MAYBE THIS CAN BE A SUPERB COIL CONFIGURATION. IF YOU ANALIZE RED SCHEMATIC YOU WILL SEE IT IS A PURE TESLA MAGNIFYING TRANSFORMER.
PS. DLLABARRE, NOW YOU HAVE ALL INFO AS YOU ASK. I AM WAITING YOUR VIDEO !! GOOD EXPERIMENTING LUCK !!
FOR MORE INFO LOGIN ON REALSTRANNIK AND ASK RED !!
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Post by: scratchrobot on December 27, 2012, 12:51:30 AM
Red uses magnets inside of the coil.
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Post by: slapper on December 28, 2012, 03:25:51 AM
<snip>Have you looked at the RED and Mustafa Schematics??</snip>

Walter Rosenthal commented on a coil circuit he built for Floyd Sweet where Sweet specified that the pulses were to occur at the zero crossing.
Walter Rosenthal comments on Sweet device (http://youtu.be/0moCw8vyi8k)


So the mustafa device uses a stack of neodymiums.

Interesting.

Thanks.

nap
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Post by: elementSix on December 28, 2012, 04:56:21 AM
Here is a Null Detector that is used to trigger the pulse at the zero crossing of the wave..  The page with the circuit info is followed.
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.3e-club.ru/view_full.php%3Fid%3D14%26name%3Dzero-cross&usg=ALkJrhgpK3wn-3Bx13aS3SYQfR4FxP7q5g (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.3e-club.ru/view_full.php%3Fid%3D14%26name%3Dzero-cross&usg=ALkJrhgpK3wn-3Bx13aS3SYQfR4FxP7q5g)

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Post by: verpies on December 28, 2012, 09:15:45 AM
So the mustafa device uses a stack of neodymiums.
The diameter of Mustafa's coil indicates that he is not using such strong magnets.
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Post by: scratchrobot on December 28, 2012, 11:56:59 AM
Red used what seems a pile of big speaker magnets? He also used 5 microwave capacitors in series, if I had them i would do the experiment myself.

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Post by: verpies on December 28, 2012, 04:11:28 PM
Red used what seems a pile of big speaker magnets?
That is much more likely. Generally, these ceramic magnets are much cheaper, larger and provide much lower flux density than NdFeB magnets.
Also, ceramic magnets are electrically non-conductive and have low magnetic permeability, thus they are not limited by the skin effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_effect).

Finally, some ceramic formulations may contain beta emitters.
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Post by: slapper on December 29, 2012, 01:19:26 AM
could be magnets from a magnetron out of microwave ovens.
the ones i have read about 1 meg ohm depending where i'm at on the surface.
any ideas as to what they are made of?

but they seem to be smaller than the ones in mustafa's images and videos.
the image looks closer to speaker magnets i have.
the speaker magnets i've extracted have no measurable conductivity anywhere.

wonder what cергей b. was referring to in his reply to elementSix with the neos.


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Post by: verpies on December 29, 2012, 01:25:59 AM
could be magnets from a magnetron out of microwave ovens.
the ones i have read about 1 meg ohm depending where i'm at on the surface.
any ideas as to what they are made of?
...the speaker magnets i've extracted have no measurable conductivity anywhere.
Those ceramic magnets could be made out of:
a) Strontium Ferrite
b) Barium Ferrite
c) Cobalt Ferrite

Speaker magnets are usually case b.
Some types of ferrite can be differentiated by their color, hardness, resistivity, coercivity, remanence, Curie temp. and density.
Most likely simple acid tests can be performed to chemically determine strontium/barium/cobalt content.
I don't know all of their properties by heart, so more research is in order.

but they seem to be smaller than the ones in Mustafa's images and videos. The image looks closer to speaker magnets i have.
Too small diameter or improper direction of magnetization (http://www.magnaworkstechnology.com/magnet_orientation.shtml) will disqualify many magnets for this application.
It is a safer bet to choose larger magnets, that are magnetized "through the thickness"

wonder what Cергей B. was referring to in his reply to elementSix with the neos.
Perhaps he thought that stronger magnets are always better. It is not always so.

@yfree
I wonder which ceramic magnet composition (cobalt/barium/strontium ferrite) would be more amendable to the hypothesized "beta multiplication" ?
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Post by: yfree on December 29, 2012, 02:13:12 AM
...
but they seem to be smaller than the ones in mustafa's images and videos.
the image looks closer to speaker magnets i have.
the speaker magnets i've extracted have no measurable conductivity anywhere.

wonder what cергей b. was referring to in his reply to elementSix with the neos.

As far as I know, the image of the magnet (http://www.overunity.com/13164/tk-device-tpu-only-enter-if-you-seek-truth-cause-here-it-is/dlattach/attach/119078/) comes from RED, not Mustafa.
There are no images or videos from Mustafa, as yet.
The schematic of Mustafa's device was drawn by FreeEnergyInfo (Antanas) on the basis of a conversation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AL74zKXB0C0) with him.
Magnets are not mentioned there, just two transformers.
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Post by: elementSix on December 29, 2012, 04:59:44 AM
It seems it would need strong field.  The stronger the magnetic field the stronger the responce.  But the main thing is uniformity.  You need a very even distribution of the field.  Couldn't you just use very fine wire wrapped coil for the magnetic field?  Like 1000 turn coil thats wrapped over the other coils.

Has anyone looked at the Zilano posts.  That chick seemed very involved in helping others get the device made right and the resonance or the L1 and L2 the same.
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Post by: elementSix on December 29, 2012, 06:03:41 AM
I know everyone has seen these schematics, but they seem to know what they are talking about and have gotten results.  My problem is money, but also I don't have the right equipment like signal generators.  Can some please look into this and let us know.  Or if you know someone that you can trust that has done the experament and you know that they have and can tell us about it.  These are from the Russian TK website.
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Post by: verpies on December 29, 2012, 05:17:25 PM
The stronger the magnetic field the stronger the response.
Higher magnetic flux density is not always better, because it leads to smaller Lorentz orbits, higher frequencies and consequently to higher losses from the skin-effect.
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Post by: DreamThinkBuild on December 29, 2012, 06:05:31 PM
Hi all,

This thread got me thinking if a magnetic maser/paramagnetic amplifier could be made for power production. Have a paramagnetic rod made of maganese/iron, wrap with two coils and cap the ends with diamagnetic material bismuth/pyrolytic graphite to cause reflection of the magnetic field back into the rod. Then pulse one coil while seeing what kind of waveform you get back on the second. Something interesting to try maybe?
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Post by: verpies on December 29, 2012, 08:05:32 PM
Nice try. You are trying to substitute the photons in a LASER or MASER by magnetic field.

But magnetic field does not travel like photons thus it cannot be reflected between the bismuth mirrors to do anything more in the gain medium (not that Bi is an effective diamagnetic anyway).

The closest idea to yours is McFreey's BASER, which uses high speed electrons (or positrons) in place of photons. Electrons are traveling particles, too. In the BASER they are not confined in the gain medium by mirrors, but by a "magnetic bottle".

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Post by: Сергей В. on December 30, 2012, 06:59:35 AM
Привет всем !!

to Neo-X
Yes. Video and public presentation will not be on any forum. Guess why ??

scratchrobot
Yes. Red used magnets inside of the coil. Magnets are from CB radio startion big antenna holder. Very probably neodymium magnets.

to elementSix
There are many Russian guys on this forum but only few of them made posts

to Magluvin

Mustafs used 2 different power transformers T1 is 270w and T2 is 3kw. You can use big welding transformer as T2. It's not  necessary to have exactly 30v on output. Main thing is Resonance on 50Hz and proper triggering of thyristor when voltage pass through zero. Use high voltage high power thyristor. The speed of componet here play second role.

to verpies

No, Mustafa don't use magnets at all. only power transformers. Look carefully in his schematic. On the first look it's very simple schematic but.......
Including that you verpies have some appropriate equipment and pretty good understanding of physical processes you should start with analizing and researching this schematic. This is an "Anomaly" schematic. Thanks to anomaly we can get OU. You will see yourself than you start pulsing thyristor switch on zero passing envelope.
I hope you will get Overunity and present all on this and many other world Free Energy forums. When you finish maybe i will give you one "Very anomaly"schematic. This schematic is another proof that we don't know anything about very tiny physical processes or in a two words we are out of reality. So maybe you catch a glory like "Anomaly hunter"

Just kidding !! :D

Mustafa topic is here:

http://www.realstrannik.ru/forum/48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa/101936-mustafa-ustanovka.html


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to all: Who will support verpies as a new moderator ? Give him a vote and mail Stefan H. to establish him ! Thanks !!

TO STEFAN H.
ps. My suggestion is to promote verpies as a moderator on this forum and this topic and i gave him my vote
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Post by: Magluvin on December 30, 2012, 07:50:42 AM


to Magluvin

Mustafs used 2 different power transformers T1 is 270w and T2 is 3kw. You can use big welding transformer as T2. It's not  necessary to have exactly 30v on output. Main thing is Resonance on 50Hz and proper triggering of thyristor when voltage pass through zero. Use high voltage high power thyristor. The speed of componet here play second role.


Thanks C.  When I saw 3kw from the seconds transformer, it had to be so. And with the first transformer, as much as it takes in input, no sense in using a 3kw transformer there. ;)   Not many of those 3kw transformers laying around. ;)

Mags
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Post by: Magluvin on December 30, 2012, 08:00:12 AM
From the original scope shot or drawing of when the switching device pulses, at each zero crossing, it is when the output of the second transformer is in high current flow. The switching device loads that current into the cap, and when the switch releases, that cap voltage dumps into the load. Measuring the input of T1 should show a spike at the time of switching also.

I ran it on a sim and was able to produce 2.5 to 3 kw spikes on the load, but the input spikes were around 150 to 200w. There may be something to this.  ;)

Mags
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Post by: TinselKoala on December 30, 2012, 12:25:45 PM
I dip in here occasionally to see what's going on.... interesting stuff. Reminds me of this self-resonant, self-triggering circuit that makes spikes on the zero-crossings.
First image:
Top trace is drain signal from switching mosfet showing the "output" spikes at 200 volts per division; they reach to well over 400 volts. Bottom trace is pickup from a probe _not connected_ to the circuit but connected to a piece of aluminum foil hanging about 20 cm away from the secondary resonator, shown at 20 V/div.
The system detects the secondary's oscillations in the field and makes the spike at the zero-crossing, which is fed to the primary, which stimulates the secondary to oscillate at its resonant frequency.
Second image is the DC input to the system, a little over 50 W. The secondary's output voltage is over 20 kV.... but low current. Still, the peak output power is very high .... unfortunately the _average_ output power doesn't exceed the input.
My system isn't perfectly tuned yet, the pulsing isn't happening exactly at the zero crossing so I'm not getting completely accurate resonant stimulation yet. I think it's now a matter of careful tuning of circuit inductances to get the triggering happening at exactly the right time, and with as sharp/short pulse as possible. This will maximize the VRSWR and the output power.... but I will still be very "shocked" if the output exceeds the input!

Anyhow... sorry if this diversion is too far off the "mark".....  ;)
Carry on......
-TK
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Post by: elementSix on December 31, 2012, 01:27:59 AM
Has anyone checked out that NULL detector on the previous page thta I posted.  Any thoughts on if thats what is needed to pulse thyritors on Zero Crossing??

Thanks for input Magluvin....

It's a hard translation but, the info on Kapandze setup is good but you need a much  better translater than google..
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhalerman.narod.ru%2FTTCG%2FKapanadze.htm
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Post by: Magluvin on December 31, 2012, 04:56:40 AM
Oh, one more thing. 50hz in, there are 2 zero crossings per cycle. So my switching was 100hz in the sim, as 25hz would only switch 1 out of 4 zero crossings. So I believe 25hz is not accurate according to the first scope example.

Maybe this was already discussed.

Mags
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Post by: DreamThinkBuild on January 01, 2013, 04:13:49 AM
Hi Verpies,

Quote
Nice try. You are trying to substitute the photons in a LASER or MASER by magnetic field.

But magnetic field does not travel like photons thus it cannot be reflected between the bismuth mirrors to do anything more in the gain medium (not that Bi is an effective diamagnetic anyway).

The closest idea to yours is McFreey's BASER, which uses high speed electrons (or positrons) in place of photons. Electrons are traveling particles, too. In the BASER they are not confined in the gain medium by mirrors, but by a "magnetic bottle".

I wasn't to sure but thanks for the information on Baser's. I've never heard of them, do you have any sites for them?

Have a Happy New Year, all.
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Post by: elementSix on January 04, 2013, 05:15:13 AM
Say we have two disc's.  that are nice uniform think magnets and you have a coil that runs in bettween them and you pulse that coil and when it comes out it drags more energy than it was originally.  TK's bag that looked like a lunch bag.  What was in it was all taped up, but it could be 2 large magnets with a coil in between them.

In one of TK's videos when he starts up his device you hear a very large coil vibrate.  It sounded like large degaussing magnet.  Does anyone else know what that sound is, if it's not a degaussing coil. 

This might be way out of left field, but what would happen if you used a degaussing coil in his setup??
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Post by: verpies on January 04, 2013, 12:33:07 PM
Say we have two disc's.  that are nice uniform think magnets and you have a coil that runs in between them and you pulse that coil and when it comes out it drags more energy than it was originally. 
Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation.
Microwave Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation.
Beta Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation.

The light or microwaves are confined in the gain medium by reflection. Their paths are straight and the devices are mostly tubular.
Betas can be confined in the gain medium by curving/looping their paths with a magnetic field, and then the device starts resembling a spool.
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Post by: elementSix on January 04, 2013, 06:42:23 PM
That's a sexy picture, verpies...  That looks familiar, Mcfreey I think...   On the other hand can ANYONE READING THIS FORUM TELL ME WHAT IS IN THIS PICTURE AT THE BACK IN THE BLACK BOX WITH A 3 on it????? It looks like it has two wires on it.  It not a circuit breaker is it??  What about the other black box???  It's a little different..
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Post by: elementSix on January 04, 2013, 06:46:06 PM
If it looks like a spool then if you put paper around the outer rim and tapped it up and put it on it's top then it would look like a can, Yes??
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Post by: verpies on January 04, 2013, 07:15:32 PM
That's a sexy picture, verpies...  That looks familiar, Mcfreey I think...   
It's just a simulation of a magnetic spool (two steel disks with a magnet between them).
It's not a McFreey's picture, but he writes about flux guides like that.

On the other hand can ANYONE READING THIS FORUM TELL ME WHAT IS IN THIS PICTURE AT THE BACK IN THE BLACK BOX WITH A 3 on it? ??? ? It looks like it has two wires on it.  It not a circuit breaker is it?? 
It looks like an ignition  capacitor from the Lada car.

What about the other black box???  It's a little different..
I don't know.

If it looks like a spool then if you put paper around the outer rim and tapped it up and put it on it's top then it would look like a can, Yes??
Yes
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Post by: elementSix on January 04, 2013, 07:56:01 PM
I like you already verpies..  I don't know why yet, but I get a good felling from you, even if you were a government troll..   We need to make a list and start this off on the right path.  The list should only contain parts that we are 98% sure of or abouts...  I want to put placement on that.  I believe that the placement of the coil and the can or the source has a lot to do with the precession.    It seems that in most of his show offs at his house.  The coil and the can are arranged in such a manner..  any words on this or the list idea.

I did notice that the top of the can is Brass and in the TPU videos, he also has brass in the middle of the large toroids.  Maybe the combination of Zinc and Copper has a good mixture for use in some way.
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Post by: verpies on January 05, 2013, 01:18:22 AM
If you want to be a good scientist you should not concentrate on liking a person but rather liking his/her ideas, logic, manner of expression, intellectual honesty, etc...  The same goes for disliking. The most important thing is to limit any critique to the subject matter - not to the person.

Brass consists of copper and zinc and both of  those elements have isotopes that are good beta emitters and have nuclear spins that make them good subjects for NMR.  McFreey even specifically writes about those two elements.
He makes the observation that the FWHM of NMR is very narrow in Zinc so it is very hard to find its resonance frequency.  But it still should be possible with the nanopulse "gunshot method (http://www.overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg346456/#msg346456)" or the more energy efficient - FM method.

Please note that I still do not understand why nuclear precession is needed in the BASER.  I see the need for spin polarization in a magnetic field but I don't see what good the precession is for. 

Of course, just because I don't understand it doesn't mean that nuclear precession is not needed to complete the effect, somehow.
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Post by: elementSix on January 05, 2013, 01:53:33 AM
OK, Today I re-watched the green box video with English sub's.  I also watched the 2004 video.  In the 2004 video at 24min. 30seconds is when TK pulls the cord off of the inverter and the unit powers down.  Turn the sound up and listen to the sound that it makes.  There are two parts of the wind down and I don't know what it is.  It could be the inverter, but I don't think it is.  It makes a very unique sound that I am unfamiliar with.  I know everyone has seen it a thousand times, but listen to it again if you don't have a copy on your CPU then here is the link.  Let me know your thoughts on what it could be. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r99g4mjEvTE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r99g4mjEvTE)

When I said that.. Thats what I meant.  Your ideas and your logic. Not in a gay way of course..  You are open to this Idea and that sets you apart from almost all others on the other TK 5KW forum.. Thats what I meant.  I don't know you as a person, so I wouldn't talk about that.  Sorry If I offended you in some way.. 
I have only been learning electronics for a little over a year now.  So it's hard for me to grasp things, but also because parts of my brain that work with memory and cognitive thinking were damaged as a child.  I learn best by working with it and figuring it out, rather than being told how to do something.  So bare with me when it comes to basic knowledge and how things work..  Thanks..
Now if TK really is a fraud, I will save my money to go over there and break every finger on his crooked hand..
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Post by: verpies on January 05, 2013, 03:04:34 PM
The most characteristic feature of the sound you mentioned at 24m30s is its high- frequency content.
By "high-frequency" I mean >50Hz, e.g. 100Hz, 150Hz, 200Hz, which is not "high" by electronic standards at all.
The 50Hz buzzing is the strongest frequency that can be heard before and after the jack is pulled, thus it can be assumed that 50Hz is the main stimulating frequency.
Additionally higher frequencies can be heard which are most likely harmonics of the 50Hz.

This resembles a sound that a saturated transformer makes while an excessive current flows through its windings.  Welders often hear a similar sound. The nonlinearity of the saturated core can create higher harmonics, that can be identified in that sound.  This principle is used in ferromagnetic frequency multipliers (FFM). You can read about them here (http://www.vias.org/matsch_capmag/matsch_caps_magnetics_chap7_02.html).

I am not claiming that this is a sound of a deliberate FFM. It is much more likely that it is an inadvertent FFM created by an overloaded transformer.

The transformer could be the one contained inside the DC/AC inverter you mentioned or another transformer that we do not see. (e.g. the "spool transformer').
A regulating circuit in an ordinary DC/AC inverter will respond with an increased current draw at its input to a falling input voltage. Possibly overloading and saturating its internal transformer.  I have no supporting evidence that it is the inverter's transformer that makes that sound.

Another interesting question is what electronic phenomena are capable of making a sound at all? 
Electricity generally is silent. So are transistors, diodes, thyristors, capacitors, resistors and integrated circuits.  High voltage can ionize air and produce hissing sound. Rapid ionization will produce a cracking sound of a spark. Magnetostriction will produce sound in transformers' cores.  Ampere forces will produce sound too, if wires conducting high current are allowed to vibrate.  Motors can make acoustic noise the same way as transformers do in addition to windage and bearing noises. Relays can be noisy, too.

That's about it, and this would tend to point to some kind of a strong alternating current in a transformer, as the source of the noise at 24m30s.

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Post by: elementSix on January 08, 2013, 04:52:00 AM
Those Black Boxes both have heatsink fins on them.  So they would have to have something like Thyristors in them or the like.
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Post by: verpies on January 08, 2013, 11:52:24 AM
Those Black Boxes both have heatsink fins on them.  So they would have to have something like Thyristors in them or the like.
Aren't those mounting flanges?
Thyristors or transistors have more than 2 terminals (wires).
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Post by: elementSix on January 09, 2013, 06:17:26 AM
I read one comment, thats all I could find on the Black Boxes.  It it said that they are Chokes.  I don't know if it's right but I am reading a lot on the subject and other forms of Chokes and I found some useful info that pertains to our subject..  Will post more when I find what I am lookin fer...  What do you know about Harmonic reactors?? Or SMPS.. The switch mode power supply's..
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Post by: verpies on January 09, 2013, 01:41:05 PM
Yes there is a great body of knowledge about SMPS out there. They are well understood and behave conventionally if NMR is disregarded.
The most common misconception about SMPS relates to flyback transformers. Most people drive them wrongly - like regular transformers, without a diode at the secondary, where the current in the primary flows at the same time with the current in the secondary (without an intermediate magnetic storage period). Read more here (http://powerelectronics.com/mag/Keith%20Billings%20April%202003.pdf).
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Post by: e2matrix on January 13, 2013, 10:14:41 PM
Nice explanation.  Thats what we need,  to keep the top spinning.  Thats what the 2 RF frequency's are for.  When we spin the Nucli from the low energy state to the high energy state, it becomes saturated and requires a different frequency to move it again.  Some spin from the higher energy state to the lower energy state.  It depends on the material.  But the different energy state nucli amounts are very close.  The lower energy state Nucli are a little more populous in the material than the higher energy state Nucli.  CW is the old form of NMR, which isn't nearly as powerful as the pulsed systems.  Does anyone think that using a wide band of RF signals at once can work as good as using just certain RF pulses that are the resonant frequency's?  Probably not.
Thanks for that clip slappy.  Have you looked at the RED and Mustafa Schematics?? I have problems using the Russian realstrannik forum with google translate.  I am going to PM the russian guy on the 5KW TK forum to help us figure out the Thyristors and diodes used in them.  Heres the Mustafa circuit.  Plus theres another from Russia that I'm not sure whats going on because its in Russian.
Can anyone translate the test on that 2nd circuit (3 watt in = 100 watt out) ?   I tried making it into PDF and OCR'ing it from Russian with PDF Xchange program (which translates with OCR) but no luck. 
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Post by: elementSix on January 15, 2013, 04:26:22 AM
I WOULD LIKE EVERYONE TO CREATE THIS CIRCUIT AND LET ME KNOW IF YOU CAN GET MORE THAN you put in  I have tried my best to describe the parts,  I don't have an oscilloscope for read outs. This circuit is nothing new, The resonance of L1 and L2 don't have to match, but they can if you can.. Uses a sine style wave with it.  I am pretty sure thats what it is but you can try others.   Let me know,  Don't go posting it everywhere, I don't want everyone blaming me because  they are idiots and can't figure out how to make this work..  Thank you and good luck

PS  the first resistor isn't really needed, I believe
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Post by: elementSix on January 15, 2013, 09:25:34 PM
I Have been doing work with TESLA's patents that are labeled, "APPARATUS FOR PRODUCING CURRENTS OF HIGH FREQUENCY".  Which is the patents that Tariel Kapanadze got his device from.  It has to do with pulsing the negative and positive through a switching circuit at a very fast pace.  I was able to make my own version of the motor with contacts for pulsing the current through another transformer and I have gotten very good results.  Thats what TK's secret is.  Just Short Circuit Current.  The circuit above is the same thing basically.  So if you want to create a Solid State Generator.  Thats all you have to do.  It's not hard at all.  Just to get twice the Voltage out.   Below is just another picture from the Circuit performance above..
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Post by: verpies on January 16, 2013, 01:14:55 AM
I WOULD LIKE EVERYONE TO CREATE THIS CIRCUIT AND LET ME KNOW IF YOU CAN GET MORE THAN you put in 
That looks like the DSRD pulsing circuit.  We already built it.
It works and it can produce nanosecond pulses in the 20kW range.
You can read about it here (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1556.0).

The I/O power ratio of this pulsing circuit is below 1 but it has been speculated that nanopulses produced by it can stimulate the BASER process in copper alloys to convert nuclear energy directly into electric energy.
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Post by: verpies on January 16, 2013, 01:28:30 AM
Just Short Circuit Current. 
Short Circuit current in a thick one-turn coil (e.g. a pipe or disk) stimulated by fast nanopulses and confined by a magnet is what McFreey is writing about.

Just to get twice the Voltage out.
Remember that twice voltage is not twice the power.
Increasing voltage by itself is not remarkable at all. Just about any transformer and inductor can do that.
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Post by: elementSix on January 16, 2013, 01:47:59 AM
Thats a good informative read.  I always enjoy your posts.  You have taught me a lot about electronics and electricity.  Thanks and hope you can keep up with the "long term" OU inventive spirit
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Post by: andrea76 on January 16, 2013, 08:44:52 AM
Say we have two disc's.  that are nice uniform think magnets and you have a coil that runs in bettween them and you pulse that coil and when it comes out it drags more energy than it was originally.  TK's bag that looked like a lunch bag.  What was in it was all taped up, but it could be 2 large magnets with a coil in between them.

In one of TK's videos when he starts up his device you hear a very large coil vibrate.  It sounded like large degaussing magnet.  Does anyone else know what that sound is, if it's not a degaussing coil. 

This might be way out of left field, but what would happen if you used a degaussing coil in his setup??

The sound can be produced by two windings with two current slightly out of phase? As a transformer of a UPS powered by two current out of sync.........
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Post by: verpies on January 16, 2013, 01:40:54 PM
The sound can be produced by two windings with two current slightly out of phase? As a transformer of a UPS powered by two current out of sync.........
What phenomenon exactly would produce the acoustic vibration if not magnetostriction nor Ampere forces, in the case you are describing ?

The sum of two sinewaves of the same frequency is one sinewave of the same frequency (or zero). This is true regardless of the phase difference between them.
Yet, the sound that ElementSix was asking about, clearly contains frequencies above 50Hz.

IMO only nonlinear phenomenon (such as ferro saturation) can increase the frequency of the input sinusoidal waveform (50Hz assumption).
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Post by: andrea76 on January 16, 2013, 07:03:14 PM
What phenomenon exactly would produce the acoustic vibration if not magnetostriction nor Ampere forces, in the case you are describing ?

The sum of two sinewaves of the same frequency is one sinewave of the same frequency (or zero). This is true regardless of the phase difference between them.
Yet, the sound that ElementSix was asking about, clearly contains frequencies above 50Hz.

IMO only nonlinear phenomenon (such as ferro saturation) can increase the frequency of the input sinusoidal waveform (50Hz assumption).

Like SM TPU's vibration.....slight noise
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Post by: starcruiser on January 17, 2013, 03:24:12 AM
no, loose windings...
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Post by: verpies on January 17, 2013, 08:20:52 AM
no, loose windings...
Yes, loose windings can make acoustic noise due to winding movement caused by Ampere forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amp%C3%A8re%27s_force_law).
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Post by: elementSix on January 18, 2013, 10:43:50 PM
RUSLanX and Dimitry from real strannikk russian forum and their work on the TK style coil setup.  It's very over my head, but what isin't.  This setup is  so strange but I thought it should be posted here anyways.  Its on 5KW forum also..

Ruslan and Dmitry ustanovka THEORY CE DMITRY A lot of discussion about how to make a generator providing power to a greater extent than it needs to maintain its operation. In another generator "free energy." To make it you need to understand the process and what exactly to do, what to achieve. Energy that you want to just take it is impossible, but it can provoke a response that will allow this action and use. Energy is all around us, but it is also the basis of any material object. It only reacts sharply to the action of its kind in its purest form. Any material object transforms it from a monolith in smoky, the objects in the form of a pyramid or funnel twists it into a spiral. Some physical processes also affect it, and it becomes a carrier of these phenomena. Many manifestations are known to you. For example, the forces generated under braking and acceleration, the electric current and magnetic field.

Because we want to make a device that allows us to provide energy to a greater extent than the energy expended, this is the simplest to use conductors and their properties. Imagine a pipe large quantities, which is moving "something" and this "something" gets sand, the sand is our electrons - heavy material objects, and the flow of "something" - this is our energy. To release it, we need to get our separate tube, is a simple gap.

Velocity of the energy above matter, and the stronger the movement, the more sand is fond of this thread. In modern physics, this is called an electric current. Our energy of the conductor can come to the surface and affect the surrounding area only, provided in our pipeline, which moves the flow of energy and electrons, you create a thread, but its direction will be counter. The power of counter-flow, and will depend on the volume of our energy release through the gap, and thus the strength of our impact on the world. In physics it is called electrostatic bursts.
In essence, these two streams provoke rupture field confining the electrons in the energy and arrester. It's like an explosion, which can form in the environment Etched form, as if pressed a hand to the gel structure, and she immediately tried to return to its original form.
Are you familiar with a device called "crystal set" that can work due to the fact that the wave energy produces energy and displacement of electrons in a conductor (harmonic oscillations). In our case, the wave, as such, no. A provocation of space and the opposite effect, which is expressed in the form of impact on the conductor in which there is a shift of energy and electrons in a unidirectional vector, ie KICK-SHIFT-rebound. The beauty is that of shock and displacement is due to the energy contained in the conductor and the energy of the environment. But our task - to create a little counter-flow and the conditions under which these movements occur. And it is - just create a difference between the "potential" for small plates of the capacitor capacitance.

The frequency of the device is set to your source of stable high voltage spark gap and capacity. The problem is that the impact on the flow, moving from negative to positive field capacity, it is difficult, due to the fact that until the energy does not make any movement through the gap, there will be no work that we can использовать.Следовательно, the first stage of motion we are forced to miss. It remains for us to catch what udet move from the positive to the negative of capacity. Consequently, the wire connecting the negative and the surge tank should Met some length. It is usually in the form of rolled coil.
If you have questions, speak. We received a chain that is usually portrayed in textbooks (Transformer, rectifier, capacity, discharge from the positive element of the rectifier and inductor). After collecting this circuit we seem to have a large area and low-energy electrons, as well as the path consisting of the shock wave and spark coil.
All of you know that one handler, which is moving "something" is the movement in the other conductor, located nearby, but after a certain period of time. Therefore, to organize a quick interception, ie create a counter-flow you can not, because you are retarded in time. In essence, you have to catch that already flew past you. One way out of this situation: You have to use the original potential difference of your capacity to create another action, ie creating another "capacity." Create - this time, which we need. But our capacity will be provided in the form of coils having two bmotki (one on top of another). One side of the coil through the gap udet Connect to negative, and the other through the gap to plus. Second winding will have one way out, and it will be connected through the gap to plus or minus. Do you get inductive capacity with three terminals connected to a power surge through the potential difference. Now, your chain will look different. Reference point, then oprotivlenie (can a small coil with a small number of turns), then surge, then current, from which come the waves, then winding spiral that spins, then he should surge and impact.

Remember the magnets that like poles repel each other. This device allows you to temporarily increase capacity at some point. But this is not the only way. There are various options. Учтите, что при всех выше описанных действиях, энергия с отрицательной обкладки конденсатора еще не начала путь, т.к. мы получили работу за счет кратковременного "всасывания" электронов из нашей волновой катушки в сторону плюса емкости и блокирования их затем другой обмоткой. В итоге у нас есть выведенная из равновесия емкость, работа, которую мы сделали и которая позволит нам подготовиться к нашему главному действию. Мы должны будем создать поток, двигающийся на встречу другому потоку. Их разделяет наш разрядник.

You should already know that creating a thread (which will move towards another thread, who had previously passed this way and now seek to go back), and they met, could result from the movement of energy on two adjacent wires in one direction, which leads to returns. The stronger the "Twist", the more "toss." Therefore, our system of separation of the electron energy will consist of two parts. The first part described above. The second part of nearly the same as the first, in the action, which makes the first part of "folding" and "return").

You must find a way to organize the two counter flow. One will move from the "positive" and the other by the "negative." This will result in the field in the gap and the output energy to the surface. Since this effect is struggling in substations, he appears when turning the high-voltage circuit breakers. Once you have created two opposing flow, and their meeting took place in the spark gap, there was a burst of electrostatic (ekstratoki), this burst of energy to send to the coil with a big step and a small number of turns (usually use a thick copper bar (wave transmitting coil)) . Energy for inductive loads must be removed from the coil located on the same line with the wave. Also, due to the fact that in the system used in high-voltage inverter semiconductors, consider protecting them from strong static bursts. Suitable for these purposes "grounding" or battery.

Regards, Dmitry.
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Post by: elementSix on January 18, 2013, 10:45:47 PM
RusLanX Schematic
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Post by: elementSix on January 18, 2013, 10:51:44 PM
So instead of semiconductors making the pulses, it's just the spark gaps? 
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Post by: elementSix on January 19, 2013, 08:53:53 AM
Here is a regularly updated link to a PDF from RusLanX, on his device workings and updated schematic..

http://www.fayloobmennik.net/files/go/50517084.html?check=02f82407fc8260a406651a746b573df6&file=2366188 (http://www.fayloobmennik.net/files/go/50517084.html?check=02f82407fc8260a406651a746b573df6&file=2366188)

This is the most resent Schematic..
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Post by: verpies on January 20, 2013, 01:48:18 AM
@yfree
Do you see a copper "multiplication pipe" inside the coil, at the very end of this video (http://youtu.be/F_2MbWtWvr4) ?
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Post by: yfree on January 20, 2013, 03:54:20 AM
@yfree
Do you see a copper "multiplication pipe" inside the coil, at the very end of this video (http://youtu.be/F_2MbWtWvr4) ?
This is Tiger's old video. There is metallic insert into the  ferrite coil, not necessarily copper. It also has a slit. He used to spark on this metallic insert and observed some interesting phenomena but not extra energy generation.
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Post by: core on January 20, 2013, 05:33:59 AM
The TK/Tesla device.

Be mindful that electrons are lighter then protons. When jolted out of the ambient air a region of positive charges are left behind (positive ions). Hence charge separation has taken place. The electrons travel towards ground to find a path back to the positive ions. This is why TK uses large ground wire, this allows to pull the electrons 'back' to the positive side.

Here we couple the ambient air with the earth and create a close loop system. TK spoke of radiation at one time. We see his 3 phase 2005 video has some plaster/concrete around the main coil. This may be to cut down on the gamma radiation.

My two cents in pictures.

- Core


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Post by: sparks on January 20, 2013, 07:01:36 AM
  This may be of interest.  Magnetism can be explained as the flow of virtual particles that create the charge we associate with the electron and proton.  As there appears to be no lack of charged particles there appears to be an abundance of virtual particles responsible for the charge appearing on said particles.  In nanosecond created high density electric fields acceleration of electrons can reach relativistic velocities leaving the virtual particles in the dust so to speak.  The virtual particles instead of the usual flow into and out of existence convert into real photons.  At a quantum level a bound electron is bound to the neucleus due to the exchange of virtual particles with the proton.  Converting these virtual particles to real particles with real mass/energy by "the establishment" is exciting.  Notice that no one appears to know what to make of it.  http://www.gizmag.com/scientists-create-real-protons-from-virtual-ones/20689/ (http://www.gizmag.com/scientists-create-real-protons-from-virtual-ones/20689/)
 ???   
If we create an intense electric field as one would find between conductors seperated by a dielectric, this field is very capable of accelerating electrons.  One would find such a field within a capacitor.  A capacitor is two conductors seperated by a dielectric.  In a microwave oven we find two conductors seperated by a dielectric in this case the dielectric is a partial vacuum.  The anode cathode is pulsed while the heated filament supplies the electrons to be accelerated.  In order to create the microwave photons the acclerated electrons encounter a flow of virtual particles that is ordered,  A permanent magnet creates a well ordered and predictable distribution of charged particles hence a predictable and well ordered flow of virtual particles into and out of the space it occupies.  The vp flow of the accelerated electron reacts with the vp flow of the permanent magnet.  This causes the accelerated electron to change it's mass/velocity and in so doing radiate photons in the microwave spectrum.  No mysteries well understood process.  Now remove the permanent magnet and replace with an inductor coil.  Time the inductor current to lag the capacitor charge and you have an rlc circuit.  The anode cathode charges-accelerating field established-electron acceleration occurs-capacitor discharges into inductor-electrons brake-photons radiated.  Inductor secondary charges capacitor and cycle repeats until low grade thermal photons are created which just result in molecular vibration of the conductor medium employed.
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Post by: elementSix on January 21, 2013, 06:22:54 PM
Hey Yfree, and or Verpies...  I am interested in electric waves and wave length in certain lengths of copper wire.  How the wave acts if the wire is the exact length of say, 1 full wave length.  Does it bounce back and fourth or does it just stop at the zero point at the end of the wire?  Sorry I can't be a little more descriptive, but you get the question. 
What happens to the wave when a wire is soldered to another wire? Does it disturb the wave any?   
What happens if you apply a current to a copper ring, by way of which way does the wave move, does it go both ways??

Thanks for any input...
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Post by: elementSix on January 21, 2013, 07:05:27 PM
I was messing with a new yoke i got yesterday.  I used a little wall transformer with a 12V output.  I ran each line thru small caps and into each side of the yoke coils and then hooked the outputs into a small tansformer primary and hooked that secondary to a 13W CFL.   I noticed that the yoke vibrates pretty well under the normal setup.  But I then took a small 3 foot copper unshielded Coax cable and ran each output of the yoke coils into opposite sides of the coax, each on their own wire and took the outputs of the coax and then ran them into the primary of the second transformer.  The vibrations in the yoke magnified by like 10 times.  Is that bemf doing that?
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Post by: verpies on January 22, 2013, 01:43:49 AM
I don't understand the setup you are describing.  Coaxial cables could be introducing phase delays.

If you are experiencing the vibration of the ferrite then you are witnessing magnetostriction.
If the wires are vibrating, then those vibrations are caused by Ampere forces.

Graham Gunderson has a nice patent about energy out of vibrating ferrite. See below:
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Post by: verpies on January 22, 2013, 01:51:17 AM
How the wave acts if the wire is the exact length of say, 1 full wave length.  Does it bounce back and fourth or does it just stop at the zero point at the end of the wire? 
It bounces back. See here (http://www.overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg336774/#msg336774) and here (http://www.walter-fendt.de/ph14e/emwave.htm).

What happens to the wave when a wire is soldered to another wire? Does it disturb the wave any? 
For single wire - almost not at all.
For coaxial shielded wire (or twin-lead) it disturbs the wave very much, especially if the soldering changes the distance of the center wire from the shield (or the other lead)

What happens if you apply a current to a copper ring, by way of which way does the wave move, does it go both ways??
If the current is applied to diametrically opposite points on the ring then the current goes "both ways".
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Post by: elementSix on January 22, 2013, 05:30:59 AM
This is how I had the YOKE hooked up.  I was using a small spring switch to pulse one line of it, just to see what happens.  But I didn't add that to the picture tho.  Doesn't have anything to do with the Yoke Vibrations..
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Post by: NickZ on January 22, 2013, 07:48:33 AM
  That is very similar to my yoke/ferrite core inverters. But mine use one transistor for each of the two inverters to switch the pulses of each of their separate primary coils. And both (two) different inverters core together, are also joint at their secondaries, as well as in parallel at their primaries. Secondaries coils output are both jointed together, then go to the Cfl or incandescent bulbs as the load.
Earth grounding is attached to the negative side of the Cfl.
  The louder the ringing sound coming from the inverter coils, the more draw is being pull through the device. Frequency is less important than the actual louder sound (volume level) being emitted, along with the accompaning vibrations.
  I've also tried different caps on the input side, but have not noticed much difference on my circuit. Maybe I haven't found the right  ones.
What caps are you using?
  Picture below.

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Post by: andrea76 on January 22, 2013, 08:43:13 AM
something similar happens in the air around the conversion devices?(or as they are more know "fre energy devices)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redox)
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Post by: verpies on January 22, 2013, 03:17:35 PM
This is how I had the YOKE hooked up.
That picture is much more informative.
According to this the equivalent schematic of this setup is shown below.
The direction of the windings is denoted by the dots.

The new information is that the core is split and probably loose.  If the T1 winding directions are the same then the core halves will be attracted to each other, when any current flows through T1's windings. This attraction will create a slapping motion between the two core halves, which will create acoustic noise.

The section of the coaxial cable acts merely as a small capacitor (denoted as C3)

The circuit will be difficult to analyze because the mutual coupling of W1 and W1 of T1 is probably not 100%.
Also, the C1/C2 and W1/W2 of T1 form a frequency dependent LCR circuit, as well as C3 with W1 of T2.
Two interacting LCR cicuits and ferromagnetic effects (e.g. saturation, nonlinearity) would make the analysis very difficult.
I will not put more effort into analyzing this circuit unless it is measured that its O/I power ratio is greater than one. 
IMO there is nothing unconventional about it.

This circuit is very different from Wesley's team Yoke device. Most importantly, the system lacks the perpendicular copper strip winding.
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Post by: elementSix on January 24, 2013, 01:41:04 AM
I used 2 small electrolytic caps.  one is an Elite  680uF 200V, and the other is SamSung 470uF  200V
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Post by: segar on January 27, 2013, 02:12:44 PM
HI, MUSTAFA,
in here i have do some drawing following by your circuits ,,,,but in here don't have battery,and the feed back circuits. as per-discussion you have write there some info for the input power and output power.

input power consuming low and output power consuming high, this is no susting can be delivery high output.

you can see from the my simulation circuits and drawing too, its showing that low voltage and same current after LOAD lamp.

i will post to you the file ,please look at did and let see.

in theatrically its not works, and also i have been tested the practically too, its same results is getting ,input and output power consumptions.   
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Post by: elementSix on January 27, 2013, 10:22:51 PM
I'm Going into another direction with The TK setup.  I don't think it operates the same way as the TPU..  I have been reading more on the Tesla Magnifying transmitter and I belive that is where its at.  Below are a few pages with a little info on them.  Let me know what ya think.  I think TK wraps coils with the secondary of the Transmitter inside the arrangement
http://www.scribd.com/doc/74052068/Tariel-Kapanadze-and-Tesla-Circuits (http://www.scribd.com/doc/74052068/Tariel-Kapanadze-and-Tesla-Circuits).

http://tesla3.com/images/forum/Tesla%20Magnification%20Transformer.pdf (http://tesla3.com/images/forum/Tesla%20Magnification%20Transformer.pdf)
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Post by: segar on January 28, 2013, 02:41:50 PM
hi   verpies

i have some question about TK coil winding and also the some elements are not in positions, have you test this circuits and measured before? .......if you don't mind we can have some discussion on this . but i not very interest with this circuits , i have do some experiment in the Tesla transmitter circuits , but i not generate HV, i only generate LV for the charging battery, its works but its taking time , this circuits is self charging circuits, just do some small modification in the L1 & L2 and also with high speed switching transistor for generate power. when i apply the DCV 20/24v the current its draw 0.4mA input side, and the output side will reaching until 75vdc ,but its taking almost about 10minuets to reach and also, the input current its not drop and the voltage from input site. this is showing that some potential is creating by the L1 ,L2 for charge the C1 ,valur of 22000uf/320vdc in the maximum value. this can be charge the battery too, after create some regulator control with PWM circuits. i just wanna to share this circuits information with you all, and have some positive numbers.

thanks  :)
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Post by: verpies on January 28, 2013, 03:28:44 PM
I have some question about TK coil winding and also the some elements are not in positions, have you test this circuits and measured before?
No, I have never not built nor tested TK's circuits.  I have built and tested HV HF TeslaCoils, though.
I am generally not interested in TK's devices. In my opinion they were faked as shown by Wattsup. That is my opinion only and I have no proof that it is really so. I have now proof that TK's devices work as advertised, either.
The only thing I would like to do with them is measure how much energy (in Joules or Wh) they can deliver per kg.

.......if you don't mind we can have some discussion on this . but i not very interest with this circuits ,
There is not much to discuss, because Mr.Kapanadze has not provided any credible data. Device isolation has not been demonstrated and there are no scopeshots and no credible power measurements - just lights of undefined brightness and a rotation of an unloaded motor. 
The measurements of average alternating current and average voltage are meaningless in light of lack of temporal correletion between them and their shape as well as the lack of demonstrable device isolation.

...i have done some experiments with Tesla transmitter circuits, but i did not generate HV, I only generated LV for the charging battery, its works but its taking time, this circuit is self charging circuits,
I have done some TC stuff too, but I never used it to charge LV battery because TCs have large output impedance and batteries have low input impedance which leads to low power transfer efficiency.
Are you observing any signs, that the energy collected by the battery is greater than the energy supplied to the "Tesla transmitter" ? 

just do some small modification in the L1 & L2 and also with high speed switching transistor for generate power.
To discuss any circuit that has more than 2 components, you should provide a schematic diagram.

when i apply the DCV 20/24v the current its draw 0.4mA input side, and the output side will reaching until 75vdc ,but its taking almost about 10minuets to reach and also, the input current its not drop and the voltage from input site. this is showing that some potential is creating by the L1 ,L2 for charge the C1 ,value of 22000uf/320vdc in the maximum value. this can be charge the battery too, after create some regulator control with PWM circuits. i just wanna to share this circuits information with you all, and have some positive numbers.
This is difficult for me to understand.
Besides the schematic, please state precisely the I/O voltage and current characteristics.  If they are not pure-DC, then you must state their frequency, phase relationship and waveform shape. Remember that average voltage and current for non-DC waveforms does not mean much.
Also the resistance or impedance of the load would be useful.
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Post by: segar on January 28, 2013, 03:55:44 PM
   hi, verpies

i have read your reply, i will post to you the circuits ,i draw maybe from there we can have some discussion ,and also i want to take video and posted to you, give me 1-hours time i will be back to you soon yaa, interesting topic friend.

wait yaa. thank you
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Post by: segar on January 28, 2013, 05:11:24 PM
 hi, verpies

this is the circuit i have do drawing ,and some modifications, this drawing originally is from internet, i just do some improvements only from here, so please take note and reply .

 just now i see the reading from the experiments i did from this circuits, have some changes on the voltage side.

  DCV: 68.4V

In the capacitor i measure ,its stop raising until this value.
but input side is same no any changes as well .

thanks 
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Post by: esesenergy on January 28, 2013, 06:44:41 PM
How is TK device a fake if he has a patent?
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Post by: andrea76 on January 28, 2013, 06:50:21 PM
http://www.josephnewman.com/JN_Theory_by_Hastings.html (http://www.josephnewman.com/JN_Theory_by_Hastings.html)
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Post by: verpies on January 28, 2013, 06:59:56 PM
How is TK device a fake if he has a patent?
It is in a patent category that does not require experimental verification from the Patent Office.
Also, there is no absolute proof that TK's device is fake (only video analysis from Wattsup)
There is also no proof that it is isolated from external power delivery and operating as advertised.
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Post by: elementSix on January 28, 2013, 07:09:44 PM
TK starts his device slowly.  He need the low input to excite resonance between 2 of his coils.  I think that all he has done is used to inputs into earth, like a large connection Capacitor.  He changed it to one pole in ground, but I can't begin to guess how that works.  This is just the direction I am going in now.  Just because I can't do much with the NMR, right now I'm broke as a joke..   But the 2 kw version is a small Tesla secondary with the coax wrapped over it.  I am going to test this soon, if the economy doesn't tank by then.. 

Hey Segar, Have you tried to put a receiver with ground and try to pulse the emitter coil with the capacitor, spark gap setup.  To get resonance between the 2 with the exact same length coil, tuned to the frequency of the Earth?
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Post by: elementSix on January 29, 2013, 03:01:14 AM
I have been studying Tesla Patent on "Apparatus and method for Producing Electrical Currents of High Frequency and Potential."
He wasn't to forthcoming with info in his drawling s or description, but I have just learned that he talked about them latter in life.  I have read a very informative web page on the process.  I couldn't figure out what kind of coil he used with his pulse circuit/motor.  He used his Tesla Coil.  Here is some info on it.

Harmonic frequency output tuning

The next high frequency patent is U.S. Patent 568,178 (G.patent; PDF), and in this one it is demonstrated Tesla subsequently discovered air cores are better suited to manifesting the effect than iron cores. The aether becomes the core, but due to its very fine properties, higher frequencies must be used, as the remnant magnetism of the previous pulse decays must faster than in an iron based core. Specifically, we are given important advice on optimisation procedures, not stated in any other patents, either preceding or following.

It is a well known fact that every circuit provided its ohmic resistance does not exceed certain definite limits, has a period of vibration of its own analogous to the period of vibration of a weighted spring. In order to alternately charge a given circuit of this character by periodic impulses impressed upon it and to discharge it most effectively, the frequency of the impressed impulses should bear a definite relation to the frequency of the vibrations possessed by the circuit itself. Moreover, for like reasons the period of vibration of the discharge-circuit should bear a similar relation to the impressed impulses or the charging-circuit. When the conditions are such that the general law of harmonic vibrations is followed, the circuits are said to be in resonance or in electromagnetic synchronism, and this condition I have found in my system to be highly advantageous. Hence in practice I adjust the electrical constants of the circuits so that in normal operation this condition of resonance is approximately obtained. To accomplish this, the number of impulses of current directed into the charging-circuit per unit of time is made equal to the period of the charging of the charging circuit itself, or generally, to a harmonic thereof, and the same relations are maintained between the charging and discharge circuit. Any departure from this condition will result in a decreased output, and this fact I take advantage of in regulating such output by varying the frequencies of the impulses or vibrations in several circuits. Inasmuch as the period of any given circuit depends upon the relations of its resistance, self induction, and capacity, a variation of any one or more of these may result in a variation in its period.
So while previous apparatus may have manifested the point of switch closure effect in some manner, especially when operated at higher voltages, this patent appears to be the first distinct art, that we can say with reasonable confidence, was specifically optimised for the effect in question. It is the specific timing of the input pulse, creating a constantly collapsing magnetic field in the core, that is responsible for turning ordinary back-emf, into Tesla's somewhat different coupled field vector, discharge current. Tesla's physics, has been too subtle for casual researchers to grasp.
This is a link to the WEBPAGE with this great info on it.    http://peswiki.com/index.php/Article:Tesla_DC_Thermoelectric_Coils

The pic below is just a drawling of one of the first designs of high DC pulsed HF generators..
The middle Coil, marked k and  L is the Tesla Coil... K is primary and I believe L is Secondary..
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Post by: elementSix on January 29, 2013, 03:22:35 AM
This Board of TK's, that was from his 2007 demo in Turkey.  It looks a lot like Tesla's Circuit board for Producing Currents of High Frequency and Potential..
The first pic is closeup of TK Board.  The second is closeup of Tesla Patent Drawling.
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Post by: elementSix on January 29, 2013, 03:28:31 AM
Remember that your experiments will not produce more output unless your switch and capacitors are super fast on dumping and closing currents.  Tesla used a Mica Condenser, for its special properties.

This WebPage helps explain how he made his device work.
http://arto.artician.com/blog/2012/05/teslas-patent-revealed/
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Post by: starcruiser on January 29, 2013, 03:55:14 AM
@elementSix, that is a rack with heater elements, those bars are buss connections to place them in parallel.
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Post by: elementSix on January 29, 2013, 08:57:11 AM
@elementSix, that is a rack with heater elements, those bars are buss connections to place them in parallel.

Are you shittin me..  Man they look the same from the top.  I couldn't figure out what it did.  It didn't make sense to me, but I noticed that it looked the same as the other picture.  Thats more sound.  I would have never guessed that.  Strange heater..  Thanks Star...
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Post by: segar on January 29, 2013, 03:25:06 PM
verpies

this is the video ,the experiments i done, the voltages from the D1,is raise up ,the input voltage DCV 24 from battery bank, and the input current 0.4amps load.

thanks
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Post by: jbignes5 on January 29, 2013, 03:39:41 PM
Remember that your experiments will not produce more output unless your switch and capacitors are super fast on dumping and closing currents.  Tesla used a Mica Condenser, for its special properties.

This WebPage helps explain how he made his device work.
http://arto.artician.com/blog/2012/05/teslas-patent-revealed/ (http://arto.artician.com/blog/2012/05/teslas-patent-revealed/)

 Tesla has a patent for caps. The caps he used in all of his experiments.
 
 http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-567,818-electrical-condenser (http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-567,818-electrical-condenser)
 
 If one plate is used you need a conductive fliud for the other plate. If two conductors are used the just oil will suffice for the dielectric. You just need to exclude air from the cap and it will become super powerful. Once air is included it will break down, especially for higher voltages.
 Mica will work but it will fail eventually. Oil is far superior and highly dynamic.
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Post by: Hoppy on January 29, 2013, 06:58:52 PM
Are you shittin me..  Man they look the same from the top.  I couldn't figure out what it did.  It didn't make sense to me, but I noticed that it looked the same as the other picture.  Thats more sound.  I would have never guessed that.  Strange heater..  Thanks Star...

Its probably a loading frame.
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Post by: elementSix on January 29, 2013, 08:34:59 PM
I need help, If anyone wants to help me in building a circuit controller for my Tariel Kapanadze device.  Please PM me.  I am in nned of some one who can build a small Electronic Electrical Circuit Controller and also a PLL, which is a Phased Locked Loop circuit controller.  I am on to it and need help.  It is above my abilitys to make these 2 circuits.  I can make everything else. 
PLL is needed (for Magic 'y) in order to achieve synchronization between the "transmitter" (inductor) and the "receiver"
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Post by: elementSix on January 29, 2013, 09:29:44 PM
Can any of our Russian Friends, translate this picture.  Please use paint or another program and type over the writing.  Thanks

Heres the link to the page with all the info
http://halerman.narod.ru/TTCG/Kapanadze.htm
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Post by: elementSix on January 29, 2013, 09:33:20 PM
This one also, if the writing doesn't match.
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Post by: elementSix on January 29, 2013, 09:57:40 PM
Sorry, but these need translated also...  Thanks to who ever helps.
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Post by: verpies on January 30, 2013, 05:13:28 PM
This is the circuit I have do drawing ,and some modifications, this drawing originally is from internet, i just do some improvements only from here, so please take note and reply.
Is B1 connected to B2?
What field are the two 220t receiving coils immersed in?

DCV: 68.4V
In the capacitor i measure ,its stop raising until this value.
The voltage across the 22mF capacitor is dependent on dI/dt of the current flowing in L2 and inductance of L2.
If you add more turns to L2 or cause the Q1 & Q1 to turn-off faster, then the 22mF capacitor will be charged to a higher voltage through D1.
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Post by: verpies on January 30, 2013, 05:25:01 PM
I need help, If anyone wants to help me in building a circuit controller for my Tariel Kapanadze device.  Please PM me.  I am in nned of some one who can build a small Electronic Electrical Circuit Controller and also a PLL, which is a Phased Locked Loop circuit controller.  I am on to it and need help.  It is above my abilities to make these 2 circuits.  I can make everything else. 
PLL is needed (for Magic 'y) in order to achieve synchronization between the "transmitter" (inductor) and the "receiver"
Do you need a digital or an analog PLL? What is the frequency and shape of the waveforms, that you want the PLL to output and synchronize to, at its input (phase detector)?
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Post by: segar on January 31, 2013, 09:01:25 AM

HI, verpies

As you said di/dt  ,i want to increase the current according to my circuits as i have post to you, so how to increase the current for output ,now i only get 50mA max voltage 70vdc , now i want to increase the current,,,?

please give some input on it, in the circuits

thanks verpies

The voltage across the 22mF capacitor is dependent on dI/dt of the current flowing in L2 and inductance of L2.
If you add more turns to L2 or cause the Q1 & Q1 to turn-off faster, then the 22mF capacitor will be charged to a higher voltage through D1.
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Post by: verpies on January 31, 2013, 05:18:31 PM
You did not answer my previous questions (all of them have question marks at the end).

now i only get 50mA max voltage 70vdc
Where is that voltage and current measured?
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Post by: elementSix on January 31, 2013, 06:06:14 PM
Do you need a digital or an analog PLL? What is the frequency and shape of the waveforms, that you want the PLL to output and synchronize to, at its input (phase detector)?

I not totally sure, but I think it needs to range between 6.50Hz to about 40 Hz.. But I am still not sure.   Can they be adjustable and still be self adjusting??  Square wave and yes Phase detector.  This is one idea from this russian site, but I don't understand it..
next post will paste pic

Do they Sell these somewhere, that are for TV and adjustable??
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Post by: elementSix on January 31, 2013, 06:09:24 PM
Possible  PLL from Andrew, Russian Guy.
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Post by: verpies on February 01, 2013, 12:11:55 PM
I not totally sure, but I think it needs to range between 6.50Hz to about 40 Hz.. But I am still not sure.   Can they be adjustable and still be self adjusting??  Square wave and yes Phase detector.  This is one idea from this russian site, but I don't understand it..
next post will paste pic
Do they Sell these somewhere, that are for TV and adjustable??
The cheapest PLL is the CD4046 (http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/cd4046b.pdf) integrated circuit and here (http://http://www.ti.com/lit/an/scha003b/scha003b.pdf) is an application note how it works and how it can be used.  They sell them everywhere for less than a can of beer.

Every PLL has a current or voltage controlled oscillator (CCO or VCO) and a phase detector (PD).
The VCO is just an adjustable oscillator (in the CD4046 (http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/cd4046b.pdf) it can go up from 1Hz to 1.4MHz). The key word here is "adjustable" and it does not mean "adjustable" by an RC constant that is controlled by a potentiometer with a knob, as in most adjustable oscillators.  In case of the VCO, it is the voltage that controls the frequency. You can view it as a voltage to frequency converter.

Normally this controlling voltage input to the VCO is provided by the output of the phase comparator or phase detector (PD).  One of the PD's inputs (it has two of them) is YOUR input, and the output of the VCO is YOUR output.

There is also a feedback loop between the VCO output and the other PD input, in order for the PD to constantly adjust the frequency of the VCO to keep a constant phase offset. Often frequency dividers (e.g. counters) are inserted in this loop. This causes the PLL to "undivide" or multiply YOUR input frequency (one of its main functions). In other words the output of the VCO is some integer multiple of YOUR input frequency to the PD. The frequency and phase relationship between YOUR input and output is kept constant by the feedback loop between the PD and VCO. 
I omit the loop integrator (low pas filter) from this description for simplicity.

The schematic from your russian friend contains the 4046 (http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/cd4046b.pdf) PLL and in its feedback loop are some 40193 (http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/cd40193b.pdf) binary counters/dividers and 4066 (http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/CD/CD4066BC.pdf) bilateral analog switches to change to a different low pass filter when the PLL locks onto the input frequency (most PLL designs do not perform such loop filter switching).
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Post by: segar on February 02, 2013, 03:04:26 PM
hi, verpies

your question:
1).Is B1 connected to B2?
What field are the two 220t receiving coils immersed in?
answer:
the reason i am turning the coil winding in to the L2,cw,ccw for the generate HV voltage for testing as first experiments.

your question
2.) DCV: 68.4V
In the capacitor i measure ,its stop raising until this value.
answer:
the voltage i have mentioned to you the dcv voltage, its from the D1,in my circuits as i have post to you last weeks, that means the output from the D1,I only get that much of voltage,maximum ,i want to generate high voltage and the current from D1, output .

so all your question i have answer to you ready , if have any question please reply.

and also i have asking to you , i want to generate high voltage and high current from the L1,after the D1 .
can you give some info to do this parameter ?

thank you.


 
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Post by: verpies on February 04, 2013, 01:50:27 PM
so all your question i have answer to you ready , if have any question please reply.
Unfortunately not all questions are answered. For example:

1) Is B1 connected to B2?
Answer: the reason i am turning the coil winding in to the L2,cw,ccw for the generate HV voltage for testing as first experiments.
...and I still do not know if B1 is connected to B2.
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Post by: roll on September 11, 2013, 09:26:06 AM
Sorry, but these need translated also...  Thanks to who ever helps.

are you still need translate ??
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Post by: stivep on October 02, 2013, 07:59:30 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuoISZAlFAc&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuoISZAlFAc&feature=youtu.be)


Wesley

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Post by: elementSix on October 16, 2016, 10:53:26 PM
Ok I am making a video soon and will post it on here.  I have little time to do this and I need help.  So if your a radio electrical engineer, that's what I need.  The tour, the kappadze device  all get there energy from the atom of the copper coil with the help of the earths magnetic field and the electric field produced by  the Impulse wave from the primary circuit.  There are numerous ways to produce die-electricity.  So you can use many arrangments.  The technical term for this phenominon is efnmr.  That's earth field nuclear magnetic resonance.  But you can also create the homogeneous magnetic field artificially with a large uniform magnets.  Anyways you can use HF AC or LF AC.  DC voltages have the most profound effect.  But AC is the easiest to tune.  When using AC you have to have a primary impulse circuit that goes into a secondary that is directly connected to another primary. When you change the AC frequency in the first primary the impulses that go to the next primary circuit can easily be tuned to the harmonic resonance of that circuit.  Without harmonic resonance this generator will not work.  Don smith devices do not have the separate inductor circuits to work right.  You have to add another primary and secondary that are all resonant circuits.  They don't have to be in the same resonance as each other, but it wouldn't hurt.  There are many different ways of creating a solid state generator.  Tesla used may make and break devices from spark gaps to rotating commutators to create the impulse train.  There are rules that must be followed strictly for nmr to work.  First is a unidirectional energy flow in the making of the impulse wave.  That's why DC is better for creating an impulse and using a magnetic spark gap too keep the energy flow in the primary going in one direction.  [/size]Another rule is impulse time and duration.  When setting up your impulse to fit harmonically with your tesla coils, the impulse must be timed to overlap the previous impulse that is bouncing back and fourth in the primary.  Kappanadze gave a good example a few years back.  If you had a group of solders stomping on a bridge and you wanted to use that vibratory wave to bring it down, you have all the solider a stomp right as the wave comes back and the new wave to match it as it passes.  By doing so you are adding the same small amount of energy to create a very large wave that will build up as large as the structure or in this case the circuit will allow.  That's harmonic resonance.  The next rule is the voltage.  Everyone with a teal coil wants to jam as much voltage as the system will allow.  But if they turned down the pressure and allow the impulse to find it's perfect pressure amount, you would be one step closer to producing dielectricity.  Now you say, that good an all but there Iano current worth a dam in my output.  Will one thing tesla left out of his patents was his second secondary coil that had the same induction as the first.  He put it in directly attached to the first secondary coil but a few feet away from any magnetic influence.  That was his current amplifier.  Now I haven't tried the don smith way of using a clockwise, counter clockwise secondary to produce current from one and voltage from the other. But like I said there are many ways of arranging these generators.Another rule is very little to NO CURRENT can be used or destroyed in the primary circuit.  If you have current being consumed past a very small amount it will be very hard for this to work.  Now Kappanadze found a great circuit that fixed a lot of tuning time.  He used a supply transformer with a control circuit from an lcd tv.  It used a PWM to change the transistor on off time to fit the impulse to the changing circuit.  A piezo electric generator that kept resonance in the secondary coil by changing the impulse in the primary. He may have also used a piezo generator in his red box setup.  You can here it tapping in the background, but it didn't last too long, cause it burned up by the end of the video.  He ran it into an ignition coil I believe.  But I have been outa this field for a few years so my memory isn't what it was.  I am bad at making how to videos but I will do my best.   
Now I can't find the picture at the moment, but it shows an AC waveform with what's called a tesla node on it.  It show the the node will move to the right spot by adding a small capacitor on the secondary in series to create a harmonic circuit. But I'll try to get it in the video.  Ok I will continue this another day, try to have patients and read tesla' work.  Remember that when you tune your coils and you don't have a circuit to keep automatic resonance, that your not just tuning. The RLC in the circuit. You are tuning it to the magnetic field in your arear.  That's why you can't copy some one else's coil length and cap size.  It usually won't work.  Thanks e6

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Post by: elementSix on October 17, 2016, 04:32:32 AM
Here is some reading material.   If you don't understand what you're looking for then you need to read and understand the terms.   I don't play games,  everyone has a video that shows a working device but doesn't tell you shit about how it works.   Trolls love videos so they can go after how it was faked.   They had a terrible time with the TPU.   But they try to stay clear of people who talk about the workings and what your  trying to obtain.   I am the first to say I am no EE.  Or expert in nuclear magnetic resonance.   I believe after years of research that is how these devices work.  I am not alone on that either.   If you haven't read or watched the borderlands science videos with Eric dollard (the mad scientist) with lindeman and brown.   They are a must watch if you can find them.   Don't use google it's scensored.  Goto duckduckgo.Com .  Here are a few clippings from patents and papers.   Also the screen shot of the waveform you need to get from your secondary coil.   Called an increasing amplitude wave or trumpit wave.
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Post by: elementSix on October 17, 2016, 04:49:45 AM
Few more.  The Tesla circuits on the left are AC and on right DC.   The Tesla node shows how different sized capacitance will move the node and help tune the wave.  The RLC network is what we are working with in open circuit.  All parts,  the resistance,  capacitance and induction are all tuned.   Having a variable R,  L,  AND C will help drastically.   But if you are a good builder.  Making a variable parallel plate capacitor in noodles down oil is best.  But something like below is what kapanadze used.  Not just any capacitor will work.   Also the placement of the cap.  And inductor should be symmetrical.
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Post by: elementSix on October 17, 2016, 05:02:32 AM
Dollars videos.  Must watch.
 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2HaqcuRCsEE  (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2HaqcuRCsEE)
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6BnCUBKgnnc  (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6BnCUBKgnnc)
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DFa-IymyWHM  (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DFa-IymyWHM)
 :P
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Post by: Zeitmaschine on October 17, 2016, 08:00:14 AM
Interesting!

Below a block diagram of the Kapanadze Resonator as I see the concept. :)

Then how to get the two back-pushes of the resonator? Look here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG1RhxmrpcM).

Regards
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Post by: Zeitmaschine on October 18, 2016, 05:50:23 PM
Most interesting approach:

Kapanadze Generator Replication (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3vvv2JBNQA)
Kapanadze Generator Replication (1) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2clyxuHkpg)
Kapanadze Generator Replication (Green Box) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSNlf0WmG3g)
Kapanadze Generator Replication (Transparent Box) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj12gLXYyO0)

Does it work? :D 8)
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Post by: forest on October 18, 2016, 06:44:48 PM
Magic. Seems he can replicate any OU generator he want. We can fight climate disasters then ...or maybe not ?
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Post by: AlienGrey on October 18, 2016, 10:13:11 PM
Magic. Seems he can replicate any OU generator he want. We can fight climate disasters then ...or maybe not ?
don't you find something strange about that ?
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Post by: AlienGrey on October 18, 2016, 10:25:52 PM
No, I have never not built nor tested TK's circuits.  I have built and tested HV HF TeslaCoils, though.
I am generally not interested in TK's devices. In my opinion they were faked as shown by Wattsup. That is my opinion only and I have no proof that it is really so. I have now proof that TK's devices work as advertised, either.
The only thing I would like to do with them is measure how much energy (in Joules or Wh) they can deliver per kg.
There is not much to discuss, because Mr.Kapanadze has not provided any credible data. Device isolation has not been demonstrated and there are no scopeshots and no credible power measurements - just lights of undefined brightness and a rotation of an unloaded motor. 
The measurements of average alternating current and average voltage are meaningless in light of lack of temporal correletion between them and their shape as well as the lack of demonstrable device isolation.
I have done some TC stuff too, but I never used it to charge LV battery because TCs have large output impedance and batteries have low input impedance which leads to low power transfer efficiency.
Are you observing any signs, that the energy collected by the battery is greater than the energy supplied to the "Tesla transmitter" ? 
To discuss any circuit that has more than 2 components, you should provide a schematic diagram.
This is difficult for me to understand.
Besides the schematic, please state precisely the I/O voltage and current characteristics.  If they are not pure-DC, then you must state their frequency, phase relationship and waveform shape. Remember that average voltage and current for non-DC waveforms does not mean much.
Also the resistance or impedance of the load would be useful.
both you and Hoppy have your opinions, that's ok.

The problem, why don't people with closed minds come with closed mouth's and leave their negative  theories elsewhere or we will get nowhere or is that the intention ???????

Kind regards AG  smile please!
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Post by: Hoppy on October 19, 2016, 06:24:43 PM
Most interesting approach:

Kapanadze Generator Replication (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3vvv2JBNQA)
Kapanadze Generator Replication (1) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2clyxuHkpg)
Kapanadze Generator Replication (Green Box) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSNlf0WmG3g)
Kapanadze Generator Replication (Transparent Box) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj12gLXYyO0)

Does it work? :D 8)

They appear to work.  ;D
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Post by: cheappower2012 on October 19, 2016, 08:35:20 PM
Interesting videos,problems I see,the inverter used could have been modified,batteries inside,the load should be a space heater,not lights,
measuring means nothing.If you want to show it could work, you need a space heater 2kw load ,the inverter should be a 100 watt
small inverter,to eliminate the possibility of batteries.If he really knew the exact secret of Kapanadze,he could have redesigned the device in a totally different way.In the original Kapanadze video's the lights were 1,000 watt bulbs
in these videos its unknown what wattage they are.My opinion is the videos are fake,good trick.
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Post by: Hoppy on October 19, 2016, 08:53:09 PM
Interesting videos,problems I see,the inverter used could have been modified,batteries inside,the load should be a space heater,not lights,
measuring means nothing.If you want to show it could work, you need a space heater 2kw load ,the inverter should be a 100 watt
small inverter,to eliminate the possibility of batteries.If he really knew the exact secret of Kapanadze,he could have redesigned the device in a totally different way.In the original Kapanadze video's the lights were 1,000 watt bulbs
in these videos its unknown what wattage they are.My opinion is the videos are fake,good trick.

Yes, he has spent a good deal of time and probably money doing a good visual replication of Kapanadze's box devices. Its so simple you'll laugh.  ;D
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Post by: cheappower2012 on October 19, 2016, 09:16:44 PM
Its so simple you'll laugh! I'm laughing my ass off on these videos ;D
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Post by: AlienGrey on October 19, 2016, 11:08:44 PM
Its not a fake ! ITS REAL !

The negative resistance as a value is converted into power ! He knows what he is doing so do I .

REGARDS
 S9
The thing I find strange is :- it looks just like the TK device 'exactly, he wasn't kidding when he said the exact same component, how about the coils and the windings and tuning them ?
I don't see him giving any information or publication as yet, and that one just pops up from nowhere. Weird!


AG
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Post by: Zeitmaschine on October 20, 2016, 01:20:02 AM
Which one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43hted5YTCw) is the real one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_ApR2IxBcY)?

Could be they are both real? At least it's so simple you would ....

Seriously, would one go through the hassle of replicating one FE device after the other in accurate detail just to present some more fakes on youtube?

I don't know. :P
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Post by: AlienGrey on October 20, 2016, 03:40:52 AM
Your right its the same box ! They all have patents on them but they all work ! I really don't like sparks not nice ! What I don't get is non are on the market ? Many building them easy to do but non on the market ? That's nuts !

I don't think they are safe !

s9
Lethal !  try and get that double neon driver now Led has taken over ;)
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Post by: Hoppy on October 20, 2016, 09:18:45 AM
Which one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43hted5YTCw) is the real one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_ApR2IxBcY)?

Seriously, would one go through the hassle of replicating one FE device after the other in accurate detail just to present some more fakes on youtube?

I don't know. :P

Why not. Its a challenge to a model maker and no different to hobbyists building replica model steam engines, cars and planes etc. In the case of the green box, although it looks the same as TK's, its clear that its not an exact replication when seen close-up. The switches, heatsink, fan and box construction / materials are all different. The added fun for him is to look at the shocked reactions on the fora from the appearance of not one but all three replicated Kapa boxes!  :o However, I doubt he is expecting investor interest anytime soon.
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Post by: Zeitmaschine on October 20, 2016, 10:30:04 PM
Then the original Don Smith device does work or does not work? In the 1996 presentation it looks like it does work (somehow).

Let me guess: The white round capacitor tunes the secondary coil to twice the frequency of the primary coil (red). But that frequency is floating (not phase-locked to the primary circuit) hence it takes a while till it warms up and reaches the correct value, thus the output voltage goes up slowly during the presentation. That implies that the Kapanadze device is more sophisticated because here the two frequencies are automatically in phase (thanks to a diode bridge frequency doubler).
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Post by: elementSix on October 21, 2016, 02:05:49 AM
Good lord, all the old posters back together again.   It's like a reunion.  I like your attitude alien G.  We have someone here that has everything running off solid state generators.   That's great.   I guess this will be a lot easier now then a few years ago.   Now I have to start from scratch. It's depressing to talk about where my setup went.   I didn't have the abbility to figure the automatic resonance.  If I added a light to the load,  it would loose resonance.   Adjusting  the spark would do the trick,  but that's not what will run a home on.  I would love to find an LCD or cold cathode bulb, power supply circuit.   Same control circuit that TK used.   It seems pretty basic.  Like using a 555 chip that has a feedback wire from the output and when the load changes,  it changes the rectangular wave.   Varying the width to suit the changes.   I see that Phillips used that patent,  perhaps for their LCD's. Don't know how to find that out thoe. 

Those videos,  I don't know what to think.   How did he and why would he have the exact can that kapanadze used in his first video?  How did he find the control circuit?  That Don Smith device is copied exactly.  Which tells me that it doesn't work.   Don Smith himself said that it doesn't work as displayed,   because it was the only way he could do what he does without reprocussions.   That the componts are there,  you just have to figure it out for yourself.

Anyways a positive attitude is what is needed here and not a child that attacks random people on their own forum.   So human beings only.   No distrators.  If there is info I have missed,  like everyone has a great circuit that works.   Update me on what I have missed over the past couple years.   Thanks.  GTG 
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Post by: AlienGrey on October 21, 2016, 03:45:35 AM
Then the original Don Smith device does work or does not work? In the 1996 presentation it looks like it does work (somehow).

Let me guess: The white round capacitor tunes the secondary coil to twice the frequency of the primary coil (red). But that frequency is floating (not phase-locked to the primary circuit) hence it takes a while till it warms up and reaches the correct value, thus the output voltage goes up slowly during the presentation. That implies that the Kapanadze device is more sophisticated because here the two frequencies are automatically in phase (thanks to a diode bridge frequency doubler).
No none of that ! is correct at all! sorry.
Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: Zeitmaschine on October 21, 2016, 10:50:15 AM
That Don Smith device is copied exactly.  Which tells me that it doesn't work.   Don Smith himself said that it doesn't work as displayed,   because it was the only way he could do what he does without reprocussions.

Hmmm .... it didn't work during the presentation? Then why no one complains about that at the presentation? They all look satisfied with that show.

you just need a variac of that size current step it up with geometric resonance and drop it back down via a step down transformer to ground !

What is »geometric resonance«? ???

OK. But isn't step up and step down exactly what I have described here: Re: New April 2016 Video from Kapanadze shows again KWatts of Free Energy (http://overunity.com/16508/new-april-2016-video-from-kapanadze-shows-again-kwatts-of-free-energy/msg489517/#msg489517) ??

No none of that ! is correct at all! sorry.

How do you know for sure? You know the basic operation principle of the device so you can safely rule out all incorrect concepts? Interesting!
Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: scratchrobot on October 21, 2016, 03:45:13 PM
Geometric resonance for a circle is 360hz equal to 360 degrees ! Its that simple ! This is mainly derived from phonon activity and is often dependent on the right elements like copper and iron as they resonate with each other but copper to copper also resonates with its self !

You need also to add in other energy factors like negative resistance and the stark effect with protons and paramagnetic peaks set up by bosons !   

High frequency also needs to be dropped down to low frequency buy pulse action chopping up the gain in the high frequency ! You do that with the spark ! RF is then sent through the system and the electrons if permitted by negative resistance will accelerate close to the speed of light gaining more mass !

Its this combined set of actions that can set up an avalanche of free electrons into the load ! Their are many ways you can set these thing up as an OU system .......

Also double negative connections are often used on the output transformers to increase field density resulting in a rise in the harmonics prior to the load ! Back EMF helps the system to compress electrons where they expand outwards when inside the load !

I don't designe like the way the KP units is as they can be a bit of a health hazard ! RF at 600v and above with compressed pulse high frequency can kill brain cells or even short out the neuro networks ! If that is ok with you then build the KP or other paramagnetic units ! But please inform your local neighbourhood  of the pending dangers for your new free energy technology from Russia ! They will need to wear a metal hat hahaha ...

Why do you think these things are not for sale ??? ? Are you sure you want one ??? Their is a much better option like the safer one hahah

Regards
S9   


I thought you wouldn't post anymore because of cyber attacks?
Talking about Geometric resonance, phonon? activity, protons, bosons, dark matter..etc.  :o

You went to the same university like Gerard Moron and Bob?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydvic9aG5BE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydvic9aG5BE)
You should use their bulb so you can watch the electron flow get converted to dark energy at the speed of light.

Or are you a 12 year old?

Why do you think these things are not for sale?

What a pile of bullshit you are posting here... it's that simple.


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Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: conradelektro on October 21, 2016, 07:47:51 PM
Nut you can now buy a mega watt free energy generator from me !

Let me levitate you and place you over the middle of the pacific ocean !

If you wish to challenge me then do so with some real data !

It would be very helpful if you supported your claims with real data. So, challenge the unbelievers with real data, please!

If you can not provide real data, please be quiet, nobody needs aggressive words. And remember, the one who makes the outrageous claim has to provide proof.

Look at this web site, it explains very clearly why you have to provide proof:

http://www.qcc.cuny.edu/socialsciences/ppecorino/phil_of_religion_text/CHAPTER_5_ARGUMENTS_EXPERIENCE/Burden-of-Proof.htm (http://www.qcc.cuny.edu/socialsciences/ppecorino/phil_of_religion_text/CHAPTER_5_ARGUMENTS_EXPERIENCE/Burden-of-Proof.htm)

https://youtu.be/KayBys8gaJY (https://youtu.be/KayBys8gaJY) (if you prefer to watch a video explaining the burden of proof)

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: conradelektro on October 21, 2016, 09:59:25 PM
S9, thank you for your answer.

Whatever I could say in response would not be helpful, therefore I shut up.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: lancaIV on October 22, 2016, 06:22:00 AM
No resistance = no velocity limit = growing c velocity
no limit= no BEMF


example from an german inventor "energy platine/chip/PCB"
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=DE&NR=10313846A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=20050224&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=DE&NR=10313846A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=20050224&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)


An advice: look for his ,Erich Mehnert's,other inventions/publications and you will feel and see the future I and future II outlook !


Max Mueller Friedrich :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=max+mueller+friedrich&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=max+mueller+friedrich&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)
low cost Fusion re-/actor

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=5&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20081218&CC=WO&NR=2008154362A2&KC=A2

Sincerely
              OCWL
Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: elementSix on October 23, 2016, 01:44:08 AM
Tesla technology is safer than a cellphone.  The towers give you cancer within seven years close living exposed.  There is no maybe,  it's almost guarenteed.  Tesla tech is EMP tech.  It puts off radio waves that a faraday cage cleans out.
That circuit looks expensive and are you shorting coils or is it cold fusion.  That's a bit over my head and I'm sorry, I'll stick to coils n copper.  Glad your sharing but if I don't understand how it works I can't afford to buy parts that I probably couldn't reproduce.   
I had an internet friend that has one if those magnacoaster generators.  It uses large magnets on each side of a coil setup.  Its smacked with a DC Impulse.  But using transistors that are shorted 20% of the time and which is also designed to minimize on switched caused impulses takes it's toll.  They had to have it designed to last long period use.  But the government wouldn't allow it to output AC for home use. It out puts pulsed DC and to get it to AC they fucking charge like 30 grand.
Anyways they do sell these but you have to have madcash.
Can anyone describe geometric resonance and how sacred geometry created with sound waves produces energy in  vast excess? 
Harmonic resonance is very easy to understand. Impulse timing used to overlap an impulse that is bouncing back and forth in an LC circuit that produces an increasing amplitude AC wave.
But it doesn't look like anyone here is a real person , just trolls and misdirectors.  Except maybe one.  I'll find my radio engineer another way.
Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: Zeitmaschine on October 23, 2016, 12:20:19 PM
It looks like there is something in this thread that has to be buried quickly. Could you please tell me what it is?

Perhaps should we mix two high voltages, one is twice the frequency of the other and they are locked in phase?

Just wondering ... ??? 8)
Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: Hoppy on October 23, 2016, 01:05:27 PM
It looks like there is something in this thread that has to be buried quickly. Could you please tell me what it is?

Perhaps should we mix two high voltages, one is twice the frequency of the other and they are locked in phase?

Just wondering ... ??? 8)

I think the Radon gas is seeping into his spacesuit!  ;D
Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: AlienGrey on October 24, 2016, 01:50:27 AM
I don't mean to be thick but your playing with us, this is all just block diagrams, nothing can be done constructively with it, it's just a waste of time.

ITS ALL PIE IN THE SKY !
Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: Magluvin on October 24, 2016, 02:39:54 AM
It looks like there is something in this thread that has to be buried quickly. Could you please tell me what it is?



As of late I believe that is what S9 is doing.  Putting page after page of useless wordage and pics that are bigger than the normal page. And as was said on this page, the block diagrams are junk.

Mags
Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: scratchrobot on October 24, 2016, 12:53:05 PM
...

PS Are you Ok ? It may be just a moment of stress or its the drugs and the drink ? Could be all 3 hahahahah !!!!

If you wish to challenge me then do so with some real data !!! That is again impossible for you as you don't even know what a watt is hahaha

No sir don't worry I will teach you son !!! haha lol x


I'm okay, are you?
Why not just answer my questions?
I'm not challenging you, you are the one with claims of an ufo made of piramides technology.
I think most people who read your posts think you are the one on some hallucinating drugs.

Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: scratchrobot on October 24, 2016, 01:53:54 PM
BLOCK DIAGRAMS ? What do you want ? A 3 D animation get real ! Your lucky its a block diagram ! Anyway thanks to all the emails from people that just get on with the job !!!

How do you like your TPU ??? No w build them as I have presented and in the most simplistic way possible or forever dream of owning one !!

Keep talking crap and then that will only reflect what your brain is made off !!!

LOL XXX HAHAH GOOD LUCK ! I WIN !



 


You are the one talking crap here and you know it.
Why are you waisting your time here writing huge post's when you need it building megawatt device's for your customers.


Can someone tell me how i can remove my account from this site?
 

Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: Hoppy on October 24, 2016, 02:06:35 PM

Can someone tell me how i can remove my account from this site?
 

You are not allowed to escape the lunatic asylum.  :(
Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: scratchrobot on October 24, 2016, 02:31:48 PM
You are not allowed to escape the lunatic asylum.  :(


Lol... I guess so because i can't find a link to remove my account  >:(
Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: Zeitmaschine on November 06, 2016, 02:15:25 PM
You are not allowed to escape the lunatic asylum.  :(

Yes! ............ or No? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeGjEyOqEIo&feature=youtu.be&t=7m51s)

Stepanov Transformer Replication (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4Qs_hClq8k)

The three-phase choke and the three-phase capacitor is needed to spread the free energy collected by the high voltage transformer equally between the three phases. Essentially that means the connection method (which includes for sure a diode bridge) of the high voltage transformer is the only thing left to solve.
Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: elementSix on November 12, 2016, 07:12:50 AM
  I am just reposting what S9 trolled away.

Ok I will try to make a video as soon as I can and will post it on here.  I have little time to do this and I need help.  So if your a radio electrical engineer, that's what I need.  The tour, the kappadze device  all get there energy from the atom of the copper coil with the help of the earths magnetic field and the electric field produced by  the Impulse wave from the primary circuit.  There are numerous ways to produce die-electricity.  So you can use many arrangments.  The technical term for this phenominon is efnmr.  That's earth field nuclear magnetic resonance.  But you can also create the homogeneous magnetic field artificially with a large uniform magnets.  Anyways you can use HF AC or LF AC.  DC voltages have the most profound effect.  But AC is the easiest to tune.  When using AC you have to have a primary impulse circuit that goes into a secondary that is directly connected to another primary. When you change the AC frequency in the first primary the impulses that go to the next primary circuit can easily be tuned to the harmonic resonance of that circuit.  Without harmonic resonance this generator will not work.  Don smith devices do not have the separate inductor circuits to work right.  You have to add another primary and secondary that are all resonant circuits.  They don't have to be in the same resonance as each other, but it wouldn't hurt.  There are many different ways of creating a solid state generator.  Tesla used may make and break devices from spark gaps to rotating commutators to create the impulse train.  There are rules that must be followed strictly for nmr to work.  First is a unidirectional energy flow in the making of the impulse wave. Ok I am making a video soon and will post it on here.  I have little time to do this and I need help.  So if your a radio electrical engineer, that's what I need.  The tour, the kappadze device  all get there energy from the atom of the copper coil with the help of the earths magnetic field and the electric field produced by  the Impulse wave from the primary circuit.  There are numerous ways to produce die-electricity.  So you can use many arrangments.  The technical term for this phenominon is efnmr.  That's earth field nuclear magnetic resonance.  But you can also create the homogeneous magnetic field artificially with a large uniform magnets.  Anyways you can use HF AC or LF AC.  DC voltages have the most profound effect.  But AC is the easiest to tune.  When using AC you have to have a primary impulse circuit that goes into a secondary that is directly connected to another primary. When you change the AC frequency in the first primary the impulses that go to the next primary circuit can easily be tuned to the harmonic resonance of that circuit.  Without harmonic resonance this generator will not work.  Don smith devices do not have the separate inductor circuits to work right.  You have to add another primary and secondary that are all resonant circuits.  They don't have to be in the same resonance as each other, but it wouldn't hurt.  There are many different ways of creating a solid state generator.  Tesla used may make and break devices from spark gaps to rotating commutators to create the impulse train.  There are rules that must be followed strictly for nmr to work.  First is a unidirectional energy flow in the making of the impulse wave. Ok I am making a video soon and will post it on here.  I have little time to do this and I need help.  So if your a radio electrical engineer, that's what I need.  The tour, the kappadze device  all get there energy from the atom of the copper coil with the help of the earths magnetic field and the electric field produced by  the Impulse wave from the primary circuit.  There are numerous ways to produce die-electricity.  So you can use many arrangments.  The technical term for this phenominon is efnmr.  That's earth field nuclear magnetic resonance.  But you can also create the homogeneous magnetic field artificially with a large uniform magnets.  Anyways you can use HF AC or LF AC.  DC voltages have the most profound effect.  But AC is the easiest to tune.  When using AC you have to have a primary impulse circuit that goes into a secondary that is directly connected to another primary. When you change the AC frequency in the first primary the impulses that go to the next primary circuit can easily be tuned to the harmonic resonance of that circuit.  Without harmonic resonance this generator will not work.  Don smith devices do not have the separate inductor circuits to work right.  You have to add another primary and secondary that are all resonant circuits.  They don't have to be in the same resonance as each other, but it wouldn't hurt.  There are many different ways of creating a solid state generator.  Tesla used may make and break devices from spark gaps to rotating commutators to create the impulse train.  There are rules that must be followed strictly for nmr to work.  First is a unidirectional energy flow in the making of the impulse wave.    Ok I am making a video soon and will post it on here.  I have little time to do this and I need help.  So if your a radio electrical engineer, that's what I need.  The tour, the kappadze device  all get there energy from the atom of the copper coil with the help of the earths magnetic field and the electric field produced by  the Impulse wave from the primary circuit.  There are numerous ways to produce die-electricity.  So you can use many arrangments.  The technical term for this phenominon is efnmr.  That's earth field nuclear magnetic resonance.  But you can also create the homogeneous magnetic field artificially with a large uniform magnets.  Anyways you can use HF AC or LF AC.  DC voltages have the most profound effect.  But AC is the easiest to tune.  When using AC you have to have a primary impulse circuit that goes into a secondary that is directly connected to another primary. When you change the AC frequency in the first primary the impulses that go to the next primary circuit can easily be tuned to the harmonic resonance of that circuit.  Without harmonic resonance this generator will not work.  Don smith devices do not have the separate inductor circuits to work right.  You have to add another primary and secondary that are all resonant circuits.  They don't have to be in the same resonance as each other, but it wouldn't hurt.  There are many different ways of creating a solid state generator.  Tesla used may make and break devices from spark gaps to rotating commutators to create the impulse train.  There are rules that must be followed strictly for nmr to work.  First is a unidirectional energy flow in the making of the impulse wave.     That's why DC is better for creating an impulse and using a magnetic spark gap too keep the energy flow in the primary going in one direction.  [/size]Another rule is impulse time and duration.  When setting up your impulse to fit harmonically with your tesla coils, the impulse must be timed to overlap the previous impulse that is bouncing back and fourth in the primary.  Kappanadze gave a good example a few years back.  If you had a group of solders stomping on a bridge and you wanted to use that vibratory wave to bring it down, you have all the solider a stomp right as the wave comes back and the new wave to match it as it passes.  By doing so you are adding the same small amount of energy to create a very large wave that will build up as large as the structure or in this case the circuit will allow.  That's harmonic resonance.  The next rule is the voltage.  Everyone with a teal coil wants to jam as much voltage as the system will allow.  But if they turned down the pressure and allow the impulse to find it's perfect pressure amount, you would be one step closer to producing dielectricity.  Now you say, that good an all but there Iano current worth a dam in my output.  Will one thing tesla left out of his patents was his second secondary coil that had the same induction as the first.  He put it in directly attached to the first secondary coil but a few feet away from any magnetic influence.  That was his current amplifier.  Now I haven't tried the don smith way of using a clockwise, counter clockwise secondary to produce current from one and voltage from the other. But like I said there are many ways of arranging these generators.Another rule is very little to NO CURRENT can be used or destroyed in the primary circuit.  If you have current being consumed past a very small amount it will be very hard for this to work.  Now Kappanadze found a great circuit that fixed a lot of tuning time.  He used a supply transformer with a control circuit from an lcd tv.  It used a PWM to change the transistor on off time to fit the impulse to the changing circuit.  A piezo electric generator that kept resonance in the secondary coil by changing the impulse in the primary. He may have also used a piezo generator in his red box setup.  You can here it tapping in the background, but it didn't last too long, cause it burned up by the end of the video.  He ran it into an ignition coil I believe.  But I have been outa this field for a few years so my memory isn't what it was.  I am bad at making how to videos but I will do my best.
  Now I can't find the picture at the moment, but it shows an AC waveform with what's called a tesla node on it.  It show the the node will move to the right spot by adding a small capacitor on the secondary in series to create a harmonic circuit. But I'll try to get it in the video.  Ok I will continue this another day, try to have patients and read tesla's work.  Remember that when you tune your coils and you don't have a circuit to keep automatic resonance, that your not just tuning. The RLC in the circuit. You are tuning it to the magnetic field in your area on Earth.    That's why you can't copy some one else's coil length and cap size.  It usually won't work. Things like a small coil with a movable iron rod inside and in series with the primary circuit to help tune.  Check out Tesla drawlings. Start old school and make a Tesla coil with an adjustable oil cap with parallel plates, home made of course and try nitrous filled spark arrestors and use multiple ones if it helps but if you use a spark gap, make it adjustable tungsten with magnetic quenching.  it helps a lot. If using HF AC, I would suggest parallel spark gaps to primary, right after cap.. What I'm saying is there's many ways to make a SSG.  Thanks e6
Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: Zeitmaschine on November 12, 2016, 11:35:05 AM
Yes! ............ or No? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeGjEyOqEIo&feature=youtu.be&t=7m51s)

»This video is no longer available because the YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated.«

Seems the user of that account went to madhouse (https://youtu.be/BdcEyuqcrVI?t=22s) already. :( :( :(

Sorry about that.

I am just reposting what S9 trolled away.

Studying that wall of text brings us closer to free energy? ???

Title: Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
Post by: elementSix on November 12, 2016, 09:00:57 PM
I'm sorry, I have no idea how that happened.  I didn't paste the same thing over and over again on purpose.

             Thanks e6

I'm trying my best zeitgeist. I hope so.    ???