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Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
« Reply #135 on: January 28, 2013, 02:41:50 PM »
hi   verpies

i have some question about TK coil winding and also the some elements are not in positions, have you test this circuits and measured before? .......if you don't mind we can have some discussion on this . but i not very interest with this circuits , i have do some experiment in the Tesla transmitter circuits , but i not generate HV, i only generate LV for the charging battery, its works but its taking time , this circuits is self charging circuits, just do some small modification in the L1 & L2 and also with high speed switching transistor for generate power. when i apply the DCV 20/24v the current its draw 0.4mA input side, and the output side will reaching until 75vdc ,but its taking almost about 10minuets to reach and also, the input current its not drop and the voltage from input site. this is showing that some potential is creating by the L1 ,L2 for charge the C1 ,valur of 22000uf/320vdc in the maximum value. this can be charge the battery too, after create some regulator control with PWM circuits. i just wanna to share this circuits information with you all, and have some positive numbers.

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« Reply #136 on: January 28, 2013, 03:28:44 PM »
I have some question about TK coil winding and also the some elements are not in positions, have you test this circuits and measured before?
No, I have never not built nor tested TK's circuits.  I have built and tested HV HF TeslaCoils, though.
I am generally not interested in TK's devices. In my opinion they were faked as shown by Wattsup. That is my opinion only and I have no proof that it is really so. I have now proof that TK's devices work as advertised, either.
The only thing I would like to do with them is measure how much energy (in Joules or Wh) they can deliver per kg.

.......if you don't mind we can have some discussion on this . but i not very interest with this circuits ,
There is not much to discuss, because Mr.Kapanadze has not provided any credible data. Device isolation has not been demonstrated and there are no scopeshots and no credible power measurements - just lights of undefined brightness and a rotation of an unloaded motor. 
The measurements of average alternating current and average voltage are meaningless in light of lack of temporal correletion between them and their shape as well as the lack of demonstrable device isolation.

...i have done some experiments with Tesla transmitter circuits, but i did not generate HV, I only generated LV for the charging battery, its works but its taking time, this circuit is self charging circuits,
I have done some TC stuff too, but I never used it to charge LV battery because TCs have large output impedance and batteries have low input impedance which leads to low power transfer efficiency.
Are you observing any signs, that the energy collected by the battery is greater than the energy supplied to the "Tesla transmitter" ? 

just do some small modification in the L1 & L2 and also with high speed switching transistor for generate power.
To discuss any circuit that has more than 2 components, you should provide a schematic diagram.

when i apply the DCV 20/24v the current its draw 0.4mA input side, and the output side will reaching until 75vdc ,but its taking almost about 10minuets to reach and also, the input current its not drop and the voltage from input site. this is showing that some potential is creating by the L1 ,L2 for charge the C1 ,value of 22000uf/320vdc in the maximum value. this can be charge the battery too, after create some regulator control with PWM circuits. i just wanna to share this circuits information with you all, and have some positive numbers.
This is difficult for me to understand.
Besides the schematic, please state precisely the I/O voltage and current characteristics.  If they are not pure-DC, then you must state their frequency, phase relationship and waveform shape. Remember that average voltage and current for non-DC waveforms does not mean much.
Also the resistance or impedance of the load would be useful.

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Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
« Reply #137 on: January 28, 2013, 03:55:44 PM »
   hi, verpies

i have read your reply, i will post to you the circuits ,i draw maybe from there we can have some discussion ,and also i want to take video and posted to you, give me 1-hours time i will be back to you soon yaa, interesting topic friend.

wait yaa. thank you

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« Reply #138 on: January 28, 2013, 05:11:24 PM »
 hi, verpies

this is the circuit i have do drawing ,and some modifications, this drawing originally is from internet, i just do some improvements only from here, so please take note and reply .

 just now i see the reading from the experiments i did from this circuits, have some changes on the voltage side.

  DCV: 68.4V

In the capacitor i measure ,its stop raising until this value.
but input side is same no any changes as well .

thanks 

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Re: TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...
« Reply #139 on: January 28, 2013, 06:44:41 PM »
How is TK device a fake if he has a patent?

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« Reply #141 on: January 28, 2013, 06:59:56 PM »
How is TK device a fake if he has a patent?
It is in a patent category that does not require experimental verification from the Patent Office.
Also, there is no absolute proof that TK's device is fake (only video analysis from Wattsup)
There is also no proof that it is isolated from external power delivery and operating as advertised.

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« Reply #142 on: January 28, 2013, 07:09:44 PM »
TK starts his device slowly.  He need the low input to excite resonance between 2 of his coils.  I think that all he has done is used to inputs into earth, like a large connection Capacitor.  He changed it to one pole in ground, but I can't begin to guess how that works.  This is just the direction I am going in now.  Just because I can't do much with the NMR, right now I'm broke as a joke..   But the 2 kw version is a small Tesla secondary with the coax wrapped over it.  I am going to test this soon, if the economy doesn't tank by then.. 

Hey Segar, Have you tried to put a receiver with ground and try to pulse the emitter coil with the capacitor, spark gap setup.  To get resonance between the 2 with the exact same length coil, tuned to the frequency of the Earth?

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« Reply #143 on: January 29, 2013, 03:01:14 AM »
I have been studying Tesla Patent on "Apparatus and method for Producing Electrical Currents of High Frequency and Potential."
He wasn't to forthcoming with info in his drawling s or description, but I have just learned that he talked about them latter in life.  I have read a very informative web page on the process.  I couldn't figure out what kind of coil he used with his pulse circuit/motor.  He used his Tesla Coil.  Here is some info on it.

Harmonic frequency output tuning

The next high frequency patent is U.S. Patent 568,178 (G.patent; PDF), and in this one it is demonstrated Tesla subsequently discovered air cores are better suited to manifesting the effect than iron cores. The aether becomes the core, but due to its very fine properties, higher frequencies must be used, as the remnant magnetism of the previous pulse decays must faster than in an iron based core. Specifically, we are given important advice on optimisation procedures, not stated in any other patents, either preceding or following.

It is a well known fact that every circuit provided its ohmic resistance does not exceed certain definite limits, has a period of vibration of its own analogous to the period of vibration of a weighted spring. In order to alternately charge a given circuit of this character by periodic impulses impressed upon it and to discharge it most effectively, the frequency of the impressed impulses should bear a definite relation to the frequency of the vibrations possessed by the circuit itself. Moreover, for like reasons the period of vibration of the discharge-circuit should bear a similar relation to the impressed impulses or the charging-circuit. When the conditions are such that the general law of harmonic vibrations is followed, the circuits are said to be in resonance or in electromagnetic synchronism, and this condition I have found in my system to be highly advantageous. Hence in practice I adjust the electrical constants of the circuits so that in normal operation this condition of resonance is approximately obtained. To accomplish this, the number of impulses of current directed into the charging-circuit per unit of time is made equal to the period of the charging of the charging circuit itself, or generally, to a harmonic thereof, and the same relations are maintained between the charging and discharge circuit. Any departure from this condition will result in a decreased output, and this fact I take advantage of in regulating such output by varying the frequencies of the impulses or vibrations in several circuits. Inasmuch as the period of any given circuit depends upon the relations of its resistance, self induction, and capacity, a variation of any one or more of these may result in a variation in its period.
So while previous apparatus may have manifested the point of switch closure effect in some manner, especially when operated at higher voltages, this patent appears to be the first distinct art, that we can say with reasonable confidence, was specifically optimised for the effect in question. It is the specific timing of the input pulse, creating a constantly collapsing magnetic field in the core, that is responsible for turning ordinary back-emf, into Tesla's somewhat different coupled field vector, discharge current. Tesla's physics, has been too subtle for casual researchers to grasp.
This is a link to the WEBPAGE with this great info on it.    http://peswiki.com/index.php/Article:Tesla_DC_Thermoelectric_Coils

The pic below is just a drawling of one of the first designs of high DC pulsed HF generators..
The middle Coil, marked k and  L is the Tesla Coil... K is primary and I believe L is Secondary..

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« Reply #144 on: January 29, 2013, 03:22:35 AM »
This Board of TK's, that was from his 2007 demo in Turkey.  It looks a lot like Tesla's Circuit board for Producing Currents of High Frequency and Potential..
The first pic is closeup of TK Board.  The second is closeup of Tesla Patent Drawling.

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« Reply #145 on: January 29, 2013, 03:28:31 AM »
Remember that your experiments will not produce more output unless your switch and capacitors are super fast on dumping and closing currents.  Tesla used a Mica Condenser, for its special properties.

This WebPage helps explain how he made his device work.
http://arto.artician.com/blog/2012/05/teslas-patent-revealed/
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« Reply #146 on: January 29, 2013, 03:55:14 AM »
@elementSix, that is a rack with heater elements, those bars are buss connections to place them in parallel.

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« Reply #147 on: January 29, 2013, 08:57:11 AM »
@elementSix, that is a rack with heater elements, those bars are buss connections to place them in parallel.

Are you shittin me..  Man they look the same from the top.  I couldn't figure out what it did.  It didn't make sense to me, but I noticed that it looked the same as the other picture.  Thats more sound.  I would have never guessed that.  Strange heater..  Thanks Star...

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« Reply #148 on: January 29, 2013, 03:25:06 PM »
verpies

this is the video ,the experiments i done, the voltages from the D1,is raise up ,the input voltage DCV 24 from battery bank, and the input current 0.4amps load.

thanks

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« Reply #149 on: January 29, 2013, 03:39:41 PM »
Remember that your experiments will not produce more output unless your switch and capacitors are super fast on dumping and closing currents.  Tesla used a Mica Condenser, for its special properties.

This WebPage helps explain how he made his device work.
http://arto.artician.com/blog/2012/05/teslas-patent-revealed/

 Tesla has a patent for caps. The caps he used in all of his experiments.
 
 http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-567,818-electrical-condenser
 
 If one plate is used you need a conductive fliud for the other plate. If two conductors are used the just oil will suffice for the dielectric. You just need to exclude air from the cap and it will become super powerful. Once air is included it will break down, especially for higher voltages.
 Mica will work but it will fail eventually. Oil is far superior and highly dynamic.

 

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