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Author Topic: Lynx Joule Inverter  (Read 101556 times)

Offline Flumen

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Re: Lynx Joule Inverter
« Reply #120 on: December 28, 2012, 09:17:30 PM »
Hi Lakes
Yes, I read your earlier comment where you said you'd be worried to find any voltage between the neutral and earth in a mains output receptacle. That's why I'm thinking something's up with the wiring (although, I'm using a rod stuck in the ground outside for an earth).
In Poland, in older flats like mine, they rarely bother with putting in a decent earth (as far as I can tell). And I can see there are only two wires leading up to the receptacle.


@e2matrix (or anyone else) - you have wired up houses - can you please explain what you think might be going on with my wiring? (I have little knowledge on this.)  :-[
Tomorrow, I'll cut all the power to the flat and see what happens ...
(Lynx - apologies if this is leading off topic.)

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Re: Lynx Joule Inverter
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Re: Lynx Joule Inverter
« Reply #121 on: December 28, 2012, 10:34:28 PM »
Hi im using the normal diodes in4148 glass diodes as lynx used in his youtube comment
Same caps the earth from water tap and not from electric company  ground wire
If neutral to
 The earth wire  the normal circuit breaker trip without rcd protection
Will try series and parallel apm.....
Ive tested using neutral ac  ... Coil eggmagnet and am radio antenna   one wire free energy variant 4 youtube imtotob  without tate circuit
Hope somebody amplify this like kapanadze or dr nakamats


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« Reply #122 on: December 28, 2012, 11:30:08 PM »
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsxd0mUODC8
 
I think there's only one kind of germanium diode manufactured for sale, and one kind only. Here's the numbers from Joe Tate's specifications:
 
                                              "Four 1N34 germanium diodes (Radio shack #276-1123) ~".
 
These are the same component numbers posted by Lakes.
 
@Flumen,
 
            Sounds like maybe very powerfull Telluric earth currents running between the grounds. The voltage will drop to Zero when you turn the breakers off at the service entrance if it's a short circuit. Otherwise, you're sitting on a gold mine!

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Lynx Joule Inverter
« Reply #123 on: December 29, 2012, 12:02:53 AM »
1n60 is also a germanium diode that can be commonly found, and the NTE near-equivalent is NTE109.

The 1n60 is a bit more robust but has almost the same electrical parameters as the 1n34a. The NTE109 claims a 100 V piv.

You might also consider the Schottky diode 1n5711. Fwd voltage 0.41 V, piv 70 V

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Re: Lynx Joule Inverter
« Reply #124 on: December 29, 2012, 12:27:17 AM »
Hi im using the normal diodes in4148 glass diodes as lynx used in his youtube comment
Same caps the earth from water tap and not from electric company  ground wire
If neutral to
 The earth wire  the normal circuit breaker trip without rcd protection
Will try series and parallel apm.....
Ive tested using neutral ac  ... Coil eggmagnet and am radio antenna   one wire free energy variant 4 youtube imtotob  without tate circuit
Hope somebody amplify this like kapanadze or dr nakamats
Thanks, these are probably the signal diodes I have, I`ll have a look tomorrow.
I`ll have to work out how to a run a wire from the water pipe... :)

@Tk The1n60 diodes are cheaper from ebay as well.

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Re: Lynx Joule Inverter
« Reply #124 on: December 29, 2012, 12:27:17 AM »
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Offline e2matrix

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Re: Lynx Joule Inverter
« Reply #125 on: December 29, 2012, 02:33:13 AM »
Hi Lakes
Yes, I read your earlier comment where you said you'd be worried to find any voltage between the neutral and earth in a mains output receptacle. That's why I'm thinking something's up with the wiring (although, I'm using a rod stuck in the ground outside for an earth).
In Poland, in older flats like mine, they rarely bother with putting in a decent earth (as far as I can tell). And I can see there are only two wires leading up to the receptacle.


@e2matrix (or anyone else) - you have wired up houses - can you please explain what you think might be going on with my wiring? (I have little knowledge on this.)  :-[
Tomorrow, I'll cut all the power to the flat and see what happens ...
(Lynx - apologies if this is leading off topic.)

Regards
Flumen

Hi Flumen,   I'm not at all sure how wiring is done in Poland but I would suspect that either the neutral is ungrounded and just like a second 'hot' wire or it could be possibly wired backwards at the outlet or breaker box etc.  You may want to look at the voltage between the 'Hot' and ground.  If that's a small amount then I would say the hot and neutral are backwards.   If it's also 230 vac then it may be an ungrounded system in your house and both sides are essentially 'hot'.  Lots of possibilities but do be careful with those voltages as I'm sure you know those are not something you want to make a mistake with touching. 

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Re: Lynx Joule Inverter
« Reply #126 on: December 29, 2012, 08:57:20 AM »
e2matrix and synchro1, thank you for your replies and advice! You were right e2matrix, both lines are hot.
I cut the power to the flat and took measurements - only about 200 mV ac, but a steady 0.56 V dc from the 'neutral' and a little less from the 'live', with the DMM hooked up on one side to my grounding rod wire. Would that be normal? Stray dc voltage? Or a result of a short circuit or something?  :-\  Any more advice/ comments appreciated, but as you say, e2matrix - many possibilities, and I don't want to clutter up this thread.

-edit - Just tested another receptacle, with the mains power to the flat reconnected, and this one seems to be wired ok, although still measuring 0.56 V dc and about 200 mV ac on the neutral line, again with one end of the DMM connected to the earthing rod.
Flumen
« Last Edit: December 29, 2012, 11:56:27 AM by Flumen »

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Re: Lynx Joule Inverter
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Offline Lakes

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Re: Lynx Joule Inverter
« Reply #127 on: December 29, 2012, 11:18:49 AM »
Quicks tests with DMM

Mains Socket earth - other croc clip held in my hand 1.4v AC
Socket earth - Cold Water pipe 0v A.C. (as expected, they will be bonded together somewhere)

Socket Neutral - Water Pipe 0.4v A.C.
Neutral - Other croc clip handheld 1v A.C.

Offline totoalas

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Re: Lynx Joule Inverter
« Reply #128 on: December 29, 2012, 01:34:38 PM »
modified tate circuit 
removed the nf cap andchanged dc cap to 4700 microfarad 35 v dc all diodes in4007
it can light upa 12v dc led bulb in a flash or light in a second
charge rate 4 minutes from o to 12v in the output


with ac led bulb 3 watts continuosly flashing on theckt

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Re: Lynx Joule Inverter
« Reply #128 on: December 29, 2012, 01:34:38 PM »
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Re: Lynx Joule Inverter
« Reply #129 on: December 29, 2012, 01:54:19 PM »
with 2 tate ckt in parallel the output is lessened and will only light a bulb in one circuit

maybe the max output from tje ac neutra; and earth is limited to ome circuit only

pulse charging is one way of using the circuit

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Re: Lynx Joule Inverter
« Reply #130 on: December 29, 2012, 05:01:35 PM »
The mains is delivering AC, right? It's alternating current in a load, produced by alternating voltage from the supply.
What point is the voltage alternating around? In other words, when the AC waveform crosses "zero" and reverses, what is the voltage level of that "zero" value?
Is it the same as the Earth ground voltage?

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Re: Lynx Joule Inverter
« Reply #130 on: December 29, 2012, 05:01:35 PM »
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Offline conradelektro

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Re: Lynx Joule Inverter
« Reply #131 on: December 29, 2012, 06:34:29 PM »
The neutral (zero crossing point) of the mains network is tied to earth somewhere (at the generator in the power generating station) but this is not necessarily exactly the same "earth potential" as in the place where the outlet socket is mounted (hundreds of kilometres away).

Usually the difference in potential (between "local earth" and neutral) is very small (millivolts).

I once witnessed that the "local earth" was about 100 Volt lower than neutral in a factory where they used megawatts of electricity. The technition on site told me that the heavy current draw pulls the whole 220 Volt and 400 Volt network away from "local earth". But I have forgotten the explanation, I only remember that it happened.

Greetings, Conrad

P.S.: http://www.ibmatech.com/src/pdf_aktuell/TI001.pdf : this is an explanation of reasons for a potential difference between neutral and "local earth", unfortunately it is in German. The reason is an unequal load in three phase loads (e.g. three phase AC motors).


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Re: Lynx Joule Inverter
« Reply #132 on: December 29, 2012, 08:48:01 PM »
e2matrix and synchro1, thank you for your replies and advice! You were right e2matrix, both lines are hot.
I cut the power to the flat and took measurements - only about 200 mV ac, but a steady 0.56 V dc from the 'neutral' and a little less from the 'live', with the DMM hooked up on one side to my grounding rod wire. Would that be normal? Stray dc voltage? Or a result of a short circuit or something?  :-\  Any more advice/ comments appreciated, but as you say, e2matrix - many possibilities, and I don't want to clutter up this thread.

-edit - Just tested another receptacle, with the mains power to the flat reconnected, and this one seems to be wired ok, although still measuring 0.56 V dc and about 200 mV ac on the neutral line, again with one end of the DMM connected to the earthing rod.
Flumen

Yes it looks like someone didn't get things wired up quite right there in some receptacles or maybe someone replaced one later and got it wrong.  Do be aware that can be very dangerous if you happen to have 2 devices plugged in to different outlets which are in proximity to each other.  It is possible with older devices or appliances to have 230 vac between the metal on 2 devices such that if you were touching both you it would be like grabbing directly on to 230 vac - very bad situation.   You may already know that but it's worth mentioning since it appears there are some issues with the house wiring.   
     Also yes I've seen what electricians call 'ghost voltage' well over 50 volts ac but it doesn't have any current (or microamps) to it.  It's common and is probably the antenna effect we are seeking here. 

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Re: Lynx Joule Inverter
« Reply #133 on: December 29, 2012, 09:07:15 PM »
Thank you e2matrix.

 

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