@Madsen -

There is no evidence that the fire dept was in on it... and it's not clear who he meant THEY were...

I wouldn't have expected him to slip up and tell the whole truth anyways.  This was a slip of the tongue.  He used the term PULL IT.

How can you tell what is a slip and what isn't?  I guess it's a slip when what he says supports my view, but not when it supports yours.

About the Cheney timeline - The timeline that Cheney gave Tim Russert on Sept 16, 2001 was different than the official timeline in the commission report.

The official timeline was taken from newsweek articles that were based on a whitehouse issued report.

They ignore Maneta's testimony.

The issue is whether or not Cheney was in the bunker before the Pentagon was hit.
He (Dick) seems to not know the timeline  - based on giving various and contradicting stories.

I'm sure it's easy to verify what time Maneta came and that time is supposed to be well before the Pentagon was hit.

The majority of the witnesses appear to back that up.

Cheney's recollection can not be trusted because he has told differing versions of the story.

In a court of law - Maneta's testimony would be assumed to be the truth.

Then, the issue is - what was the order?  Standdown or shootdown.

Now, when an airplane turns off it's transponder or goes off course or if it is thought to be hijacked... the STANDING ORDERS would be to intercept and either force a landing or shoot it down.
This plane did all three.
AND - it was in restricted airspace.  A 4th fact that would make it a standing order - SHOOT DOWN.

Of course - conveniently - in July 2001, that standing order was rescinded by the Secretary of Defense.  Any thing that would have meant a standing order to shoot down a plane would now have to be directly authorized by the Secretary.
And not only did that order happen two months before the attack... but on 9/11 Rummy was in a meeting and could not be disturbed.
And isn't it odd that after 9/11... they made a big deal about saying that the rules were changed to allow shootdowns without a direct order... in other words a "standing order" - that's a lie.  Fact is it was changed back.  Sort of like when they say that not making the taxcuts permanent would be raising taxes.

Now I will concede... that since the rules were changed in July 2001... it could be that Cheney issued an order to shoot down the plane.  However... if you want to argue that a soldier would repeatedly interrupt the VP (especially a hardass like Dick) to ask if a shootdown order still stands... after all that had happened that day... geez, if you want to argue that the soldier would have been worried about whether Cheney was sure about a shootdown under those conditions... then you may as well just go home because you just outed yourself as a DOD operative.

Seriously.  Tell your superiors that it's time to go ahead with the Able Danger stuff.  Hang a few low-level FBI people and let the headlines ring about that conspiracy and let the sheeple think they've gained something.  That'll put them back to sleep.
I know that Able Danger ties it to Iraq... and I know that won't make sense to informed people.  But if you need any help - let me know.  I can sew it up for ya.  It might even get McCain in the whitehouse.
Of course, I need money and safe passage to Amsterdam.

Look.  The fact is that there are holes in the official story.  Another fact is that the government over the years has lied about so many serious things like the Gulf of Tonkin, that they are not a credible witness.
The fact is that the official story is not correct based on the evidence.
Who really did it?  Why don't you ask the Israeli agents who were here to document the event... the ones who were video taping it and dancing for joy.

Whether Silverstein said pull and what that means is beside the point.  the fact is that the video taped evidence shows a controlled demolition and the only argument you or anyone else has with that is that the NIST has a "theory" on how the planes could have caused the collapse.  When in reality, they have a theory as to how the collapse could have been initiated by the plane crash.
They did have a pancake theory about how the collapse proceeded... but they later backed off of that.

As far as I can see - you are unwilling to see the truth because of a subconscious mental block placed there by your environment - like the kids who tell my daughter at school that Obama is a Muslm and that he will send more terrorists to attack America... or by a conscious effort - like the parents who would poison their children with lies like that.

Now I will concede... that since the rules were changed in July 2001... it could be that Cheney issued an order to shoot down the plane.  However... if you want to argue that a soldier would repeatedly interrupt the VP (especially a hardass like Dick) to ask if a shootdown order still stands... after all that had happened that day... geez, if you want to argue that the soldier would have been worried about whether Cheney was sure about a shootdown under those conditions... then you may as well just go home because you just outed yourself as a DOD operative.

Seriously.  Tell your superiors that it's time to go ahead with the Able Danger stuff.  Hang a few low-level FBI people and let the headlines ring about that conspiracy and let the sheeple think they've gained something.  That'll put them back to sleep.
I know that Able Danger ties it to Iraq... and I know that won't make sense to informed people.  But if you need any help - let me know.  I can sew it up for ya.  It might even get McCain in the whitehouse.
Of course, I need money and safe passage to Amsterdam.

lol.  As I said above, I have drawn no conclusions about the Mineta matter.

Look.  The fact is that there are holes in the official story.  Another fact is that the government over the years has lied about so many serious things like the Gulf of Tonkin, that they are not a credible witness.
The fact is that the official story is not correct based on the evidence.
Who really did it?  Why don't you ask the Israeli agents who were here to document the event... the ones who were video taping it and dancing for joy.

I certainly don't doubt that there are holes in the official story.  I also understand that the government lies about lots of things.

As far as I can see - you are unwilling to see the truth because of a subconscious mental block placed there by your environment - like the kids who tell my daughter at school that Obama is a Muslm and that he will send more terrorists to attack America... or by a conscious effort - like the parents who would poison their children with lies like that.

Just FYI, I'm an Obama supporter, and I think if we USAians get another 4--8 years of Republican presidency (at least the kind we've had recently), the outlook here is not good.

I'm an Obama supporter too.  Though I support Ron Paul first... looks like Obama is the lesser of two evils.

I would love to think that Obama will change things, but I think the best we can hope for is a reach-around.

Good---at least we can agree on something!   

If it would not have been all so tragically and the whole
world changed after 2001 and wars broke out and
many more people died due to it, I would have a laugh at
your train yoke....
 

With all the documentation available that clearly shows that the 911 official version is a lie and that the israelis did the attack (as they did 7/7, Madrid Bali, etc), if anyone still believes the official lie that person will never change his mind and should be classified as a extremely low intelligent guy.


See the movie "911 missing links" to learn that jews did 911.

The twin towers were greatly over-engineered and under-loaded. It is highly unlikely that the intrusion of a plane could have caused a collapse. Especially in 7 where there was not the intrusion of a plane. Just only a nearby plane's mojo.

Every nation has produced its rank criminals. It is a genuine mistake to try to blame any specific nation for the crime that brought down the towers. It is simply the sinful nature in any man that made it possible.


CANGAS 77

All you intelligent people--

Where do you think all those people on the crashed airplane's that
disappeared went to?

Also, all the life insurance policies that were paid to the families
of all the disappeared passengers?