Wonder what monocrystalline pharmaceutical grade Lithium Carbide would do?

Ooh Lithium, I like it already
To be honest, at first I thought it was important to have the atoms in gaseous state in order
to perform the Protelf reaction, so I had made some rought concept designs of a Lithium
based version, basically heating Lithium in an evacuated glass tube untill it vapourises,
then switch on the B-field and blast a few hundred volts through the vapour.
But as experiments have been performed it seems that at least for carbon it is not
necessary to have a gaseous state, so perhaps Lithium doesn't need one either...
In which case solid Lithium or a conductive compound of Lithium, like the Lithium Carbide
you suggested, should be usable as well. That makes the entire design a lot simpler:
now we only have to replace the carbon rod with a rod of Lithium carbide or some other
Lithium compound, and we should still get even more output. But perhaps the rod
needs to be a pure material?

With the recent discovery that there is definately OU but not in all cases beta, and the
suggestion that it could be a special magnetic oscillatory phenomenon, it is interesting
to see if Vall?e's suggested materials still perform in a similar way...
After all, even if there is no measurable beta radiation, it is still the carbon rod in a B field
with a voltage jolt that makes the magic happen, just like Vall?e's suggested setup predicts,
there's just no measurable beta...  So it is plausible that the other materials he suggested
for even greater energy output will still produce more energy, with or withour beta.
In my opinion this is a great setup whether it emits beta or not, because it is already OU
even if the beta is lost. With beta the output could be a lot more, but without it it's already
a self-powering energy producing setup. Or at least, with R's setup it is.
Still, may be worth looking into some tests with Lithium instead of a Carbon rod...?

I am getting a little confused though... some are getting beta, some not, some are getting
clear OU, some not...

@AbbaRue: I was thinking about those liquid hV diodes you made a while ago...
Could we perhaps make an altered version for use with this setup?
I was thinking along the lines of using the carbon rod inside an aluminium tube,
then sealing the entire tube watertight and immersing it in a bath of the sodium-based
solution you used in your diodes, and basically using the aluminium tube as
one electrode and some second material as the other...
The main idea is to use it as a n-p diode-like element, but at the same time the
aluminium tube should be getting hot from heat conduction from the carbon,
and this heat should be exchanged with the solution. Obviously the entire setup of
aluminium tube+solution+container/electrode should get hot, but we can always
apply cooling to this container/electrode, and we could perhaps even use
a thermocouple to get even more usefull energy out.
It was just a wild idea and it may not be very effective, but thought I'd throw it up
anyway.

These alert devices are checked once per year I think, just for the case...

Yeah it's probably a regular test. We get them every 1st of the month.
It's either that, or the nuclear plant next to Paris went halo and they quickly
killed the automatic alarm. Nah, prolly not.

Dang!  Now that's gonna be a party!   I propose we hold the conference in Berlin.  (Stefan, can I sleep on your couch?)

Hey now that's not a bad idea!
If we coordinate we can combine it with the citywide rave party in Berlin in summer, if you're into that.
And it would be a good opportunity to practise our German.
I say let's do it. And let's print T-shirts to commemmorate the happening.

As for the theoretical bets, since all the obvious ones are taken, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say its, "Current-induced beta emission in magnetically-biased bulk graphite arising from cooper-pair-bisoliton recombination at graphene nanocrystal boundaries" -- (or something like that....)

Hahah lol Well it sounds darn good, I'll give you that. Especially the extremely convincing "or something like that".

It would be fairly easy to retrofit existing nuclear reactors to use this tech, hell they've already got the carbon rods in, also you could cut out the heat exchanger and just run the primary coolant straight to the turbine as the water would not get contaminated. Maybe they've already done this but just don't mention it so they can still keep the cost/kwh up. But then again where would they get their precious bomb ingredients from if they did away with the heavy stuff.

1)

'UncleFester' appears to have twice run a circuit sustained to runaway, once run with no battery, self-climbing from 500V - 1500V over 30 seconds until reaction was deliberately quenched.  Also he has multiple non closed loop trials with COP=2 to COP=5. And of course there are apparently generators in South America which have been produced that use this effect.   

2) I can send it to groundloop (EE) and ask what he thinks. 

3) Someone commented it could have been a motor controller, so perhaps it is.  That 60kW photo was not in the document, so maybe it started circulating later. One person pointed out the windings are too small to be 6kW per toroid, but that may depend on what current it is running it at.  If it is real it is probably three-phase AC (see the four GE CL04 three phase motor controllers), so that may also mean higher voltage / lower current.    Or maybe its just a motor controller unit thats been passed off as a generator somewhere along the way. 

Agreed, some skepticism is healthy. I don't know if the picture is real either.  But the wierd thing is it appears that the formulas for circuit capacitance work, B-field bias curve shapes match Naudin's etc.  And there now seem to be full schematics showing how output is coupled (which look mostly okay to me), and we also have third-party description of how to use a diode to dump amps back into the primary , etc.  So I think the principle works and can be replicated, even if that 60kW picture might be fake. 

But we will see I suppose! 
 

There is no question that UncleFester got results.

There is equally no question in my 197 IQ, insanely skeptical, hopeful but practical, mind that the reaction does occur in nature, can be stimulated in nature by various processes, and is very much a semiconductor like process.

There is no reason why this would not work on industrial diamond.

I have my reservations about it working with solid noncrystalline graphite.

however, UF got results.

The only question is was it a fluke, did his O scope fry and ring like a bell, then self-repair so that it works just fine now?

Also, why would, during subsequent tests with detected beta, a half inch thick aluminum plate gather 500V worth of electric charge? Static. Not a 500V-ish sine wave or anything induced by EMI. 500V DC. (virtually zero amperes).

I am also beginning to think that a toroid is required for the operation - it definitely would alter the magnetic field alignment. It's entirely possible that this is a diamagnetic interaction... think about the toroidal field interfering with the solenoid field around the carbon.

Funky oscillating field pattern.


SWIRLY field.


Not sure if that makes a difference or not... but it would seem to. If the field oscillates, then there is rapid magnetic switching going on.

Even rotation of the field.

I can see it, but can't quite meaningfully diagram it in lightwave/3DS max. Way too many lines, and it got way too confusing.

I can totally see this as the magnetic field imparting momentum to the charge carriers in a semiconductor system.

Think a microscale hall effect.

Keep in mind that I'm still trying to reconcile what the theory I worked up said vs. what is happening.

There should be a barrier to the reaction of about 500-1000eV (EUV/X-Ray energies)

Gamma is way too hot to trigger it.

The classical view of the atom will not work in describing all these processes as they actually happen, only provide a more rudimentary "get your hands on it" view.

Have to head out to work now, but feel free to call - you have a PM.

R3CUR5!V3

@jellybean

A large static charge
say on an arc lamp housing.
Has this been shown to be the case?

You got me. So far it seems like much of the 'beta' (if that's indeed what's going on) is confined to the rod itself and simply magnifies an existing EMF pulse, although UF did notice some charge collecting on surfaces. Perhaps you should try the carbon-arc experiment?

And where are the working devices schematics?

I think you may be better served by a picture than schematics, but maybe tonight we will get some pics... I will tell you my understanding.   Dead 12V battery with 6V measured on terminals running into small inverter at ~35khz, then into neon sign transformer, then into HV capacitor in series then discharged into the magnetically biased carbon rod.  Output flux is collected on toroidal transformer with the two output windings connected in parallel. This is then full-wave rectified, and hooked back up to the inverter.  Battery charges.  Battery is disconnected. Circuit keeps running , voltage climbs.  Geiger counter screeches, though this may be from the neon EMI rather than beta. Correct me if i left something out UncleFester.

Ah, yes, the "box".

I think it's a crossover network.

Either that or an array of isolation transformers.

Not sure how I can see six toroids like that transferring 60KW without melting.

Also I can't see where any connection is made to the carbon rod in the middle, nor a biasing magnetic field.

No contact, so no credibility - however Juan's numbers seem to jive with the theory I cobbled together.

I also cannot see the connections to the carbon rods within the toroids but the connections could be behind the PCBs mounted on the toroids and could be enameled copper wire so that they are not too visible as they would just run next to the collector windings.

As for the biasing magnetic field, Juan states it is supplied by DC bias on the collector toroid, he doesn't use permanent mags.

The four GECL04 relays are rated at 16kw each so can handle 64kw at 380V:
http://www.eauctiondepot.net/EbayPics3/2008_0519_221810.JPG

If I saw this out of context I would say (as PaulDude has already said) that it's a motor starter, the inductors are matched to the motor and are able to store energy that the CL04s can dump into the motor.

The only thing that really upsets me about the picture is that I can't see any high power FETs/Heatsinks for fleshing out the alleged PWM boards with real power for the carbon reaction.

So I can't say that it isn't a carbon reactor, but I can't say it is either???

I suppose that in an arc lamp there is
no external magnet, but the current though the
rod would I assume create a magnetic field.
Copper cladding might absorb something?
Graphene is interesting, a black hole in a pencil.
Though i wonder if it retains its properties
if ?flakes? in bulk.


 Jellybean

PhD: Jellybeanology
Bs: pseudology

@jellybeanYou got me. So far it seems like much of the 'beta' (if that's indeed what's going on) is confined to the rod itself and simply magnifies an existing EMF pulse, although UF did notice some charge collecting on surfaces. Perhaps you should try the carbon-arc experiment?
I think you may be better served by a picture than schematics, but maybe tonight we will get some pics... I will tell you my understanding.   Dead 12V battery with 6V measured on terminals running into small inverter at ~35khz, then into neon sign transformer, then into HV capacitor in series then discharged into the magnetically biased carbon rod.  Output flux is collected on toroidal transformer with the two output windings connected in parallel. This is then full-wave rectified, and hooked back up to the inverter.  Battery charges.  Battery is disconnected. Circuit keeps running , voltage climbs.  Geiger counter screeches, though this may be from the neon EMI rather than beta. Correct me if i left something out UncleFester.