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Offline Feynman

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #405 on: May 21, 2008, 06:46:57 PM »
@R

Don't worry about it, these things happen.  This does not change the fact that we have an effect.
« Last Edit: May 21, 2008, 08:17:56 PM by Feynman »

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #406 on: May 21, 2008, 07:22:59 PM »
No, my failed experiment caused me to realize a few other things, so in failing, I found information I would not have found had I succeeded in extracting 900000000 Megawatts from a 9V battery.

Ha.

Also, I found that it would be really nice if my research associate would ANSWER YOUR DAMNED PHONE.

Cheers!

R.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #407 on: May 21, 2008, 07:44:47 PM »
What we need ideally now is replications of the basic effect to confirm we are getting beta, tried WITH and WITHOUT the biasing magnet, at some decent level of voltage and current.  We also need to see peoples meter readings around the device.


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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #407 on: May 21, 2008, 07:44:47 PM »
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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #408 on: May 21, 2008, 07:53:55 PM »
Beware.

Gamma scout is flawed.

Will be performing some tests soon to see if geigers are in fact influenced by the EMI from our specific setup.

When you do your tests, you need to replace the carbon rod with a copper conductor, no magnets.

Run your setup.

Full bore.

If you get blips, then put on the magnet, and see if you get more blips.

If so, then you have made a variable reluctance transformer.

If not, then your counter is sufficiently shielded to ignore the EMI from your power supply.

Also, box up your damned power supply too... and ground the box.


Once you eliminate, systematically, all possible spurious emissions, then we can claim true effect.

I am not certain at this point how the EMI from Fester's PSU would have kicked the meter like it was going - also, why we would have seen such a limited amount without magnets... but this is still a possibility that we are not excluding.


Continued experiments and diligent investigation and attention to detail.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #409 on: May 21, 2008, 09:05:43 PM »
I might add that the information on EMI for the gamma scout came from a telephone conversation we had today with the manufacturer's technical division...

Anyway, what we really need now is figuring out just what exactly is going on in these devices.  Is this beta?  How much?  Or Is it EMI?  If so, did both fester and Naudin get this EMI? What spectrum are we talking?  Radio? Microwave?  Is Juan for real? Is he seeing EMI rather than beta?    Not matter what, we have determined K-capture is certainly real, and so is our theoretical reaction which produces anti-neutrinos.
(http://dayawane.ihep.ac.cn/images/layout.jpg)
source: http://dayawane.ihep.ac.cn/docs/experiment.html

There is a solid theoretical foundation for what we think we are getting.
But have we actually achieved K-capture in the carbon rod ?
Is it possible the self-running effect some sort of artifact? 
Or are we generating what we hope... truckloads of beta rays which must be captured better?

What in sam's hell is going on here.  At this point we need to answer these basic questions as quickly as possible, so we know whether to replicate like crazy and build these things like cupcakes, or whether we can confirm some sort of freak EMI artifact:  I do find this unlikely, but unfortunately , given the information from gamma scout, EMI is now is within the realm of possiblitity.

I bet 3:1 we are producing excess beta.
R bets 9:1 we are producing excess beta.

Here is a conversation per R for your viewing enjoyment
R:
[fester] was getting funky 40-60 hertz 1.5KV spikes
the beta should have oscillated with those if it was emi induced
but if you're already saturating the meter with beta...
but if the meter is already roasted by all this shit
then you've got a meter that can't oscillate
there's no way the EMI could have saturated it, since the total deposited power would have been unity
he would have gotten loud clicks at 50 hertz-ish
not white noise at billions of terahertz


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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #409 on: May 21, 2008, 09:05:43 PM »
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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #410 on: May 21, 2008, 09:30:48 PM »
I might add that the information on EMI for the gamma scout came from a telephone conversation we had today with the manufacturer's technical division...

Anyway, what we really need now is figuring out just what exactly is going on in these devices.  Is this beta?  How much?  Or Is it EMI?  If so, did both fester and Naudin get this EMI? What spectrum are we talking?  Radio? Microwave?  Is Juan for real? Is he seeing EMI rather than beta?    Not matter what, we have determined K-capture is certainly real, and so is our theoretical reaction which produces anti-neutrinos.
(http://dayawane.ihep.ac.cn/images/layout.jpg)
source: http://dayawane.ihep.ac.cn/docs/experiment.html

There is a solid theoretical foundation for what we think we are getting.
But have we actually achieved K-capture in the carbon rod ?
Is it possible the self-running effect some sort of artifact? 
Or are we generating what we hope... truckloads of beta rays which must be captured better?

What in sam's hell is going on here.  At this point we need to answer these basic questions as quickly as possible, so we know whether to replicate like crazy and build these things like cupcakes, or whether we can confirm some sort of freak EMI artifact:  I do find this unlikely, but unfortunately , given the information from gamma scout, EMI is now is within the realm of possiblitity.

I bet 3:1 we are producing excess beta.
R bets 9:1 we are producing excess beta.

Here is a conversation per R for your viewing enjoyment
R:
[fester] was getting funky 40-60 hertz 1.5KV spikes
the beta should have oscillated with those if it was emi induced
but if you're already saturating the meter with beta...
but if the meter is already roasted by all this shit
then you've got a meter that can't oscillate
there's no way the EMI could have saturated it, since the total deposited power would have been unity
he would have gotten loud clicks at 50 hertz-ish
not white noise at billions of terahertz


@Feynman
Well come the Red Eye tonight I will head back for the Hot State of Texas. I spoke via cell with Dr. Simon and Dr. Schimaire and they are sitting back wondering what is going on also. I can not wait to get back so I can look at some of these things, but my friend what I am told is the Beta idea does not pan out, at least in my lab. They spent all day today on what has been talked about and do not see significant Beta.

Looking forward to getting home so I can observe with you all what is happening.

EDIT - I forgot, the lab hit a 1/2" rod 20cm long with a spike from a 2F bank at 200V that is (2*(200^2))/2 = 4E4J and they GOT a smoked rod, believe that?

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #411 on: May 21, 2008, 09:45:45 PM »
@DrStiffler
Perhaps your lab can post details of the setup?  The most important variables will probably be voltage, current, and b-field flux. The 'working' experiment replication is using 99.9%+ pure carbon 5"x1/2".  Also, Was your lab using photo film or geiger counters to attempt detection?  If it is EMI, the cheap meters will click but photo film will show nothing.

I hope there is something here as well but I am beginning to wonder what is going on. Could it be that Naudin's experiments were all EMI?  That all of the 2005 VSG experiments were really caused by sensor artifacts in the gamma scout?
Naudin VSG experiments: http://jlnlabs.online.fr/vsg/index.htm
And also the 'runaway' which we observed was also somehow induced by EMI?  Aka the screeching geiger counter and rapidly charging 'dead' sulfated battery is just some sort of microwave or magnetic interference, where both the geiger counter is picking up this EMI, *and* there is an somehow illusion of both charging and COP>1? If it's EMI, how did the voltage feedback exceed 1500V and appear to charge the battery?  This would be a confluence of many cruel factors indeed!  Though unlikely,  I hope this is not the case.

That would be a shame, but I suppose we will just have to pick up and try harder if we are observing artifacts.  There is not just one way to OU, and there are some of the best minds available on this board.  We will get there if it takes a life or a couple of days.


EDIT: I will clear my schedule tonight to resolve what is going on here, and we also need to get your lab a replication if this phenomenon is in fact real and not EMI artifact. Fester said he was aware of EMI issue over 2 days ago, says it is a non-issue, and is talking about scaling this thing up to megawatts using information from Juan, so there is a huge gulf here in terms of results and expectations between people's labs. Did you guys bias the rod with strong (N45+) neodynium magnets... the 2F pulse at 200V should have been plenty of energy to produce the effect.  In addition to non-confirmation from your lab, we also would need to find out an complete explanation for Fester's results (how did we get overloaded/screaming counter? how did we get what appeared to be self-running? how did battery appear to charge?) in order to come to some definitive conclusions.
« Last Edit: May 21, 2008, 10:16:26 PM by Feynman »

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #411 on: May 21, 2008, 09:45:45 PM »
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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #412 on: May 21, 2008, 10:16:29 PM »
A cloud chamber is easy to make and will give instant results if there is significant beta being produced.
All you need is a glass jar, some alcohol, dry ice, and a strong light source.

We should keep in mind that beta radiation is just high-energy electrons.  Any large electric potential will accelerate free electrons.  A magnetic field will curve the trajectory of the particles.

It could be that the increase in observed beta with the application of the magnetic field is due to the fact that the electrons are spiraling around the field lines instead of flying off in straight lines, and hence stand a better chance of interacting with the detector.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #413 on: May 21, 2008, 10:28:09 PM »
  I don't know if the below tempic differential intelligence of the space-time continuom circuit below is enough to get beta out of a piece of aluminum foil attached to the electron mass storage unit called earth.  I would use a couple of incandescents between ground and a piece of aluminum foil as you try to find out though.  And use caution in manipulation of the foil so you don't short out the spark gap into your body.  :o :o :o :o danger. 

@Fenyman

   I guess in keeping with the spirit of things here you could replace the aluminum foil with a slab of carbon.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #414 on: May 21, 2008, 10:30:39 PM »
Yes I agree zerotensor, I thought about this the other night.  If we are getting beta, it will be coming out in some sort of deflection stream based on the orientation of the neodynium magnets and their associated magnetic flux.  So (assuming its beta, not EMI) , the 'beta flux' density will not be uniform in the space surrounding the VSG.  Cloud chamber or photo film would be a great way to tell whether which is which.

(http://www.lbl.gov/abc/graphics/magnet.gif)

Of course, cloud chamber/photo film would only be useful on a setup which we already observe 'beta' from a geiger counter, and we want to exclude the possibility of EMI fooling the counter.  In regards to Dr. Stiffler's lab, they have not observed the 'beta' at all, even with a massive 2F discharge pulse.  This leaves us with a problem, because we at least should be able to replicate the interference (if that is indeed what it is). Can we confirm that neodyniums were used to bias the carbon?

Maybe also the detectors are 'too good'?  Perhaps Dr. Stiffler you should try the setup with the cheapest detector you've got, something so cheap that it would click off EMI. 

@As for UF, I think you should repeat the self-running experiment (do a third trial), and disconnect the battery and see if you continue to run.  Also, another good confirmation would be to check to see if the battery is really gaining usable potential or whether it is simply de-sulfating. I understand it charged from 6V to 11V very rapidly... have you tried discharging it into a resistor to see whether you actually gained usable potential energy?  How long did the 'beta' charged battery take to go down from 11V to 9V through a given resistive load? 

We've got some discrepencies to resolve...

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #415 on: May 21, 2008, 11:36:55 PM »
@Feynman
Well come the Red Eye tonight I will head back for the Hot State of Texas. I spoke via cell with Dr. Simon and Dr. Schimaire and they are sitting back wondering what is going on also. I can not wait to get back so I can look at some of these things, but my friend what I am told is the Beta idea does not pan out, at least in my lab. They spent all day today on what has been talked about and do not see significant Beta.

Looking forward to getting home so I can observe with you all what is happening.

EDIT - I forgot, the lab hit a 1/2" rod 20cm long with a spike from a 2F bank at 200V that is (2*(200^2))/2 = 4E4J and they GOT a smoked rod, believe that?

Please tell me your lab forgot to place the magnets?

Also, try a smaller diameter rod.

I'm trying a blumlein PFN tonight to see if I can get a 12KV pulse at 96A through a 125 ohm load at 10ns.

Not sure, but if that doesn't do anything at all, then I have a feeling something else is going on, and that Juan is full of something other than beta. Also doing the toroid decoupling loop as well.

We'll see.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #416 on: May 21, 2008, 11:45:47 PM »
Please tell me your lab forgot to place the magnets?

Also, try a smaller diameter rod.

I'm trying a blumlein PFN tonight to see if I can get a 12KV pulse at 96A through a 125 ohm load at 10ns.

Not sure, but if that doesn't do anything at all, then I have a feeling something else is going on, and that Juan is full of something other than beta. Also doing the toroid decoupling loop as well.

We'll see.
@Inventor81
Yes they did use magnets and the equipment is of high quality, if I remember right I was told the units were in excess of $10K each 5 years ago. We use then in the other end of the lab in our bio-research.

Because of the time difference I tried to VPN in before they left for the day, but it took longer to get here to the airport than planned and they are gone for the day. I may try to call Dr. Simon before we leave, but if not the 6hr diff will mean I will be a bit slow in getting back on tomorrow, you know have to sleep off the in flight raid of the liquor cabinet.

I will get back as soon as I can function and supply details, but I feel the other Dr's did the experiment as they found here and I have not followed that close, but do know they are both capable in the EE area as well as their own.

Leaving in an hour so got to go.

Good Luck All..............

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #417 on: May 21, 2008, 11:51:33 PM »
New information indicates a 2keV energetic barrier to K-capture.

Our electric field should have this field strength or greater.

Also, try the experiment with thin disks of carbon. I think we'd get alot of internal absorption/scattering of the beta, if there is any.

UncleFester's setup is something of a mirage at this point - very disorienting, and very, very interesting.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #418 on: May 22, 2008, 12:08:22 AM »
Correspondence between Feynman and Groundloop ("Engineer Commander of Europe") regarding VSG beta production, and possible EMI artifact:



<-------------Feynman to Groundloop 05/21/08 5:21PM EST---------------->
Hey groundloop,

You should check the thread "single circuits generate nuclear reactions" on overunity.com.  I am concerned we may be generating some sort of EMI artifact rather than Beta.   We need to figure out what the heck is going on here.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1310.400/topicseen.html

Hopefully its beta not microwaves.

Cheers,
Feynman
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<-------------Groundloop to Feynman 05/21/08 5:48PM EST---------------->
Feynman,

It can't be microwaves! You are using a soft iron core toroid transformer to pick up energy. A iron based transformer can not handle frequencies above approx. 10 KHz. Microwaves is in the very high MHz and GHz frequency. It CAN be a magnetic pulsating field. If your output frequency is equal to you input frequency AND the waveform is in sync with the input waveform on a dual trace scope then you have two possibilities, one it is magnetic or two, it is beta.

If nobody can replicate and measure beta then it must be a magnetic pulsating field. A conductor (the graphite rod) will emit a magnetic pulse every time you fire a electric current.

But does it matter so much? If it turns out to be a magnetic pulse then this is good news. Because we had the run away effect and also the cop 41. So in case it is magnetic we have a over unity circuit that is 100% safe. I take that as good news.

-groundloop

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #419 on: May 22, 2008, 12:46:19 AM »
I think it's safe to say there is a magnetic effect. We have current traveling through the rod so it will create a magnetic field just as any conductor would. I think that is what created the AC voltage in my initial experiment. Still no OU though...

 

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