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Author Topic: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions  (Read 373234 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #210 on: May 19, 2008, 04:43:53 PM »
As Morray also used
excited radiation from his
Morray valves,which were also
some kind of radiation doped
alloy mix andGermanium,
he produced this way also PN-Layers to extract the
excited radiation from his uran doped Swedish stones.

So it might be possible also to excite the
beta decay maybe via RF bursts ?

Morray used a local radio station toexcite his
first LC circuit and then used his doped PN-Layer
valve to amplify it with the beta decay producing
the electrons into the LC circuit.
Then he used transformer inside the LC circuit to transform up
the amplified oscillation.
The Morray valve thus worked like a negative resistor, putting out the
amplification without needing any input power.

The circuit was just excited by the antenna mikroVolt RF signal
from thelocal radio station and then each LC-transformer stage
withadditional valves amplified the signal so big, that it produced
about 1 to 3 KWatts in his biggest devices.

If we can do the same over here with a Zamak-graphite
dissimular metal PN-Layer diode
it should be easy to scale up the output.

For a first try you can also use Zink instead of Zamak
alloy, but the Zamak alloy has one advantage.
You can make a very nice durable and hard black oxid
layer ontop of it, just by using the Zamak rod
inside an electrolysis bath.

This oxidized Zamak rod put directly into a hole in the
graphite will give a nice 0.7 to 1 Volts PN-Layer voltage
and if the Beta radiation hits it, it could produce a massive
current amount !

Hope this helps.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #211 on: May 19, 2008, 04:46:01 PM »
@stefan, Koen

Thank you both for the ideas, as I do not have much knowledge in this area.  The first step might be to do replications, and then experiment with generation and collection of the beta rays.   I will also get photographs and schematics posted as soon as I can, but I think have described the basic setup enough to be replicated.  That is, you should be able to get the beta rays with under $40 in parts.

Again, we what appears to be COP>1, we have had runaway self-powering, Dr. R has calculated theoretical device max of COP=100 or higher,   BUT we don't have a good way of converting high energy beta ray to usable power to drive household devices or an inverter.  It would be nice to do this with easily obtainable materials.  Hopefully others can figure out a good way to go from beta rays to usable power.



« Last Edit: May 19, 2008, 05:08:30 PM by Feynman »

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #212 on: May 19, 2008, 04:49:32 PM »
So it might be possible also to excite the
beta decay maybe via RF bursts ?
I think external RF impulse hitting matter is the same thing as in-circuit voltage pulse/discharge. But I think in this case it is less than optimal, because it's hard to focus RF impulse. I think you may do Hutchinson kind of tricks with RF impulses.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #213 on: May 19, 2008, 05:08:45 PM »
Just to show my enthousiasm:

Take a car-engine with carbon sparkplug-cables. Then you have carbon pulsed with high voltage and even a spark gap. Wind some coils around them and bias (a part of) the cables with permanent magnets.
That simple?? If I wasn't sure about your integrity guys, I would laugh my a.. off.


Capturing electrons? Perhaps like in a crt with a positive high voltage? Perhaps the carbon should be inside the plates of a high voltage capacitor? The electric field would guide the electrons towards the positive plate.

Or perhaps by using electrically conducting magnets for the B-field. And then closing the circuit between the magnets free ends using the load.
I think...

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #214 on: May 19, 2008, 05:10:58 PM »
If you use a sparking discharge,
you automatically have the RF bursts currents that
also Morray used via his radio station excitation.


You could put several graphite-Zamak cells in series to rise
the output voltage.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #215 on: May 19, 2008, 05:13:38 PM »
Hi Dr. Feynman,
still 2 questions:

what was the height of the graphite rod in the experiments ?

What was the distance of the 2 magnets ?

Many thanks
« Last Edit: May 19, 2008, 05:22:17 PM by Feynman »

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #216 on: May 19, 2008, 05:23:19 PM »
@Koen

I think I guess we are trying to make a 'beta battery' in the sense where the beta particles strike a surface, perhaps displacing charge, in order to create a potential which gives us nice high usable current. At present, we are losing many beta particles by letting them fly past our collector, and consequently we are not getting high enough current density on the output (way below theoretical maximum), although this process does appear to exceed COP=1.  Although we are able to get 'runaway' , and this is great for lab fun and excitement, it is not as useful for a generator to run your house.

Primarily we need two things

1) An efficient method of capturing and converting beta rays into usable voltage and current.
2) A method of PWM feedback which we can connect the output back to the input without the threat of 'runaway' condition.

Feynman,

Congratuliations on your succesful replication!!! ;D

I'm not sure about best beta collection method, but I am sure on the best way for you to setup PWM control, I used to work as a realtime embedded system engineer programming 68HC11 and a little ATMega stuff:

Use your arduino board, put a small cureent sensing toroid around the main output and feed that as input to ADC pin on arduino (probably need to buffer it with opamp). Then you can put any control algorithm into arduino that you require to control this beast by outputing PWM from arduino to drive your IGBT. The beauty of software control as I'm sure you know is rapid development and evolution of the control algorithm without having to swap out parts etc.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #217 on: May 19, 2008, 05:26:15 PM »
BE SAFE EVERYONE:

Quote from wiki:
"Beta particles are able to penetrate living matter to a certain extent (radiation intensity from a small source of radioactive material decreases as one over the distance squared) and can change the structure of struck molecules. In most cases such change can be considered as damage with results possibly as severe as cancer and death. If the struck molecule is DNA it can show a spontaneous mutation. If this mutated DNA is in gametes the mutation may be passed to new generations. By far most mutations are considered genetic defects, it is not proven if mutations caused by beta particle absorption could lead to positive evolution."

(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_particle#Health)

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #218 on: May 19, 2008, 05:26:15 PM »
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still 2 questions:
Anytime Stefan

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what was the height of the graphite rod in the experiments ?
It was 1/2" diameter pure carbon rod of several inches in length, although Dr. R suggests you should not exceed 2" for rod length because of nuclear shielding effects begin to reduce conversion efficiency.
 
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What was the distance of the 2 magnets ?
From my understanding, the magnets are placed opposed in the center of the rod to ensure the magnetic flux passes through the carbon, and so the magnetic flux aligns the dipoles of the internal carbon atoms to be parallel or antiparallel with the subsequently applied E-field (pulse discharge).  And that is, of course, how you get your beta.   You will not get the beta without applying the strong magnets.    In any case,  I think the distance of the magnets is also several inches apart, pressed directly up against the ends of the carbon rod.   I will confirm this as soon as possible.

I wish I had more details specifications for you guys, but I do not have them at the moment. All I know is this works and provides a massive amount of beta rays, we have had a somewhat remarkable 'runaway' reaction where output connected back to input, we also have what appears to be COP>1, but I do not want to be making too many claims too early. We are having difficulty in betavoltaic conversion. This problem needs to be solved by some sharp minds.  This is also in such early stages of the technology there is much that we do not know.  My own experimental setup is not yet complete.  I promise I will post my own pictures as soon as possible.

What we need now is device replications and creative methods of betavoltaic conversion.  We also need fusing, kill switch, and PWM control so we can safely re-attempt self-powering operation.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2008, 07:38:26 PM by Feynman »

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #219 on: May 19, 2008, 05:30:33 PM »
@Yucca

Yes, beta is ionizing but it falls off very rapidly in air.   So the level of beta few feet back is MUCH lower, if detectable at all  (it decreases with 4 PI r^2 or higher).  Just put up some aluminum shielding and have some experience with high voltage.

I was also thinking about the PWM, and using the Arduino's ADC chip to monitor the feedback, using an attenuator if necessary..  I am a big Atmel fan as well.    I think I will also be using this method. ;) ;)   I think it will be easier to figure out the control circuitry rather than the most effective betavoltaic conversion , but then again maybe that's just me.  Thank you for your thoughts.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #220 on: May 19, 2008, 05:38:15 PM »
If you use a sparking discharge,you automatically have the RF bursts currents
I think their intensity is too small. Magnetron is a better thing for this task.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #221 on: May 19, 2008, 06:20:27 PM »
Well, since modifications are turned off... I would like to add that toroid may have a magnetic core that will supply the required B-field inside the toroid that will permeate the graphite rod pack. It will then look like toroid on that 60kW generator picture.

I'm not sure that would work very well, since the induced current in the coil would set up a circulating B-field inside the core which will serve to disrupt the axial field of a magnet there.  The logic (as I see it) of using a toroidal coil for electron capture is that the magnetic field arising from current in the wire will be contained almost completely inside the core, and thus will not interfere with the imposed axial field.  As for core material, I suspect that an air core or partial vacuum might be the best, as electrons which penetrate past the wire layer will then have a second chance of making it into the circuit, rather than depositing themselves in the core material.

<edit>:  This assumes that the carbon is situated along the axis.  If it is inside the core of the torus, then that's another story -- possibly an improved design, since the required magnetic field will be produced automatically by the induced current in the wire.
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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #222 on: May 19, 2008, 06:32:30 PM »
Hmm, how about using Aluminum wire for the collector coil?  If the AlOx theory is valid, then this should make for a decent "hybrid" collector.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #223 on: May 19, 2008, 06:43:49 PM »
I'm not sure that would work very well, since the induced current in the coil would set up a circulating B-field inside the core which will serve to disrupt the axial field of a magnet there.
I'm not sure I understand you. As far as I know, toroidal permanent magnet's force is most high in the center of the toroid, and has a perpendicular direction to toroid's main plane (so, if we place a pack of graphite rods inside the toroid they will be aligned to permanent magnetic force line). The induced current may counteract the field of toroidal magnet, but it's nothing bad - maybe even good. We do not need B-field after pulse was fired, we need it when pulse fires. Beside that magnetic field should be a good "guide" for electrons: they will stick to the toroid and its windings without flying too far - if I'm not mistaken electrons (as metals) are attracted to highest intensity position in the field, not repelled (i.e. no dipole action since electrons do not form a large dipole body).

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #224 on: May 19, 2008, 06:59:20 PM »
Picture is wrong compared to what I am doing. Magnets are directly up against the carbon rod (parallel) and the aluminum is inside the toroid then one layer on outside of toroid. So sandwiched layers of aluminum between toroidal windings.

Is this attached picture the right setup ?

This should be a side view.

If you use an aluminium tube around
the graphite rod,
how do you connect it for the output ?

Does the aluminium tube charge up
positively and the negative pole will be versus the
negative pole of the carbon rod power supply ?


 

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