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Author Topic: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions  (Read 373379 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #195 on: May 19, 2008, 10:10:55 AM »
Hmm,
in the interview he said, that they are using the aluminium tube ?
or just aluminiumplates ?
for the conversion of the high voltage to lower 18 Volts voltage
and high amperage,instead of the MeV from the Beta-particles.

So probably the Beta Electrons are just braked down in speed while hitting
the aluminiumOxid and converted to free flowing electrons inside the Alumnium.

The question is, how you are going to connect to the Aluminium to which
other pole, so you could draw a current from it ?

Is it versus the circuit ground ?or just earth ground ?

Is the placement of the magnets right ?

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #196 on: May 19, 2008, 10:31:24 AM »
Synergetic Energy Teleconference mp3 -  Part I
http://www.mediafire.com/?gftwmp9zw9x

Wow!
more, please :)
Do you have a link to part 2?

Where did you find this??

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #197 on: May 19, 2008, 01:10:08 PM »
I was also thinking that graphite rods can be stacked together to form a graphite pack (with height roughly equal to diameter of this pack). You may then put this pack inside a factory-made multi-winding toroidal transformer.
Well, since modifications are turned off... I would like to add that toroid may have a magnetic core that will supply the required B-field inside the toroid that will permeate the graphite rod pack. It will then look like toroid on that 60kW generator picture.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #197 on: May 19, 2008, 01:10:08 PM »
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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #198 on: May 19, 2008, 02:43:06 PM »
Wow I'm off for a couple of days and all kinds of stuff happening here! :D

Interesting stuff... Can someone give me a quick recap on why exactly we're
talking about using an aluminium tube?

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Is it really fusion? Looks like melting, not necessarily fusion. Photo can't say what it really is.
Well aleks, what does fusion look like then eh? ;) Either like plasma or like a mushroom cloud?
What does beta decay "look like" according to you?
As far as I know it doesn't "look like" anything, it's just a piece of beta emitting material, and you can only
"see" that when you put your geiger counter next to it... Since the Vall?e Protelf is basically a method
of stimulating artificial beta emissions, I don't really expect the material to look extremely different afterward.
Or had you expected a blue glowing blob? ;) ;D

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #199 on: May 19, 2008, 03:08:59 PM »
From what I am gathering thus far is the aluminum is used for shielding the reaction chamber to contain any "radiation" from the carbon rod excitation. It was also mentioned that aluminum could or should be used for the electrode connections to the carbon rod that provides the voltage/current pulses. Initial design considerations;

1. A solenoid type of pick up coil is used for tapping/collecting the output. the size of the wire for the solenoid is up for debate/determination. i.e. how heavy of a wire is required due to the current generating capability and how many turns to capture the Beta particle emisions. question still would remain whether multiple coils arranged over or around the carbon pile (rod(s) would provide more output.

2. Aluminum shielding for the reaction chamber to contain any harmful emissions to you or the control electronics (can blow out electronics in the immediate area (see above post by Uncle Fester).

3. Looping the output to the input after initiating the conversion process can cause a runaway condition thus a control circuit is required to limit the feedback and control the process.

4. It was mentioned about using a PWM to control the process (this is still open for debate and design for the best way to do it).

5. Heating issue with the carbon rod, how can this be controlled or excess heat dissapated? possibly using soft copper tubing for the collector and passing water through it and using that with a radiator of a sort as a heat exchanger (my idea).

6. using a transformer on the output to step down voltage and hence step up the current (if needed).

7. A static B-Field is used to activate the conversion process (or organize it), neo magnet is used for this, magnetic field strength directly affects conversion and output.

8. Voltage/current discharged thru the Carbon affects output, this can be the control point (may need to be) to control the generator action.

9. For capacitor charging a 35khz (or so) PWM could be used to control cap charging and a IGBJT switch for discharge of the caps thru the carbon rod(s). By using this method we can control the voltage output to say 120vac/220vac for mains compatibility. a thought.

10. Use a fixed frequency oscillator (60hz/50hz) to trigger the IGBJT control circuit to produce mains compatible AC output. Use this circuit to disengage the charging circuit (above in #9) when discharge occurs to avoid potential damage to the charging circuit. may require a IGBJT or other similar device due to voltage current. The oscillator disconnect may not be required due to feedback but may be needed for a saftey cut off.

We need to replicate the simple version with limited run time and over voltage and over heating cut offs for testing the above. Lets all get this going and share any circuit ideas and drawings to get a sample unit designed and then take it to the next steps i.e. incorporating heating control (might make a good house heater??) :)

This is indeed exciting times guys!
« Last Edit: May 19, 2008, 03:31:49 PM by starcruiser »

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #200 on: May 19, 2008, 03:10:31 PM »
Hello gentlemen. 

Parts:
Carbon Rod
Permanent Magnets
HV power supply (100-300volts)
Collector (does not have to be toroid, can be inductor).

Hints:
Use permanent magnets for your colinear B-field bias. 
No thoriated tungsten!
No spark gap.

Be extremely careful.  God be with you.

-Feynman

PS  use aluminum shielding

hi Feynman , could you post a pic of how this should be set up...and maybe a good place for a fuse or two, so as not to melt stuff, thanks a bunch :)

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #201 on: May 19, 2008, 03:17:01 PM »
@stefan
The aluminum oxide is not necessary, it was just a new theoretical way to capture the beta electrons. We have not used it yet.  Do not worry about it too much, the aluminum oxide theory has not been experimentally proven , it's just an idea so far.  Your picture is correct, just remove the aluminum oxide and replace with a toroid or inductor for collection. The device is that simple.  Discharge 100-300V into neodynium magnetic polarized carbon rod and you will get a LOT of beta.  You can capture them with an inductor or toroid instead if you like, or a better method which waits to be discovered.


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Who is interviewing whom ?
Dr. F is interviewing Dr. R and Dr. T

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What is the circuit diagram of the units ?
Don't have them written up yet, but it's retarded simple.  Discharge 100-300V+ of energy into carbon rod polarized with strong magnet.  You will get out tons and tons of beta.  Collect the beta.   Rinse, repeat.

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Is it just a pulse high voltage generator powering a graphite rod ?
Yes!

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How do you get the free electrons out of the graphite rod ?
That's the problem we must solve!  We must convert the beta rays to electricity.  Inductor works but it inefficient.  We also must use PWM for feedback to connect output to input, otherwise you will get runaway condition.

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Just a coil around it or something else ?
That is one way (inductor/toroid), but it's not a very good one.

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I guess the sparking is important, right ?
Spark gap does not appear to be necessary.  But you should replicate and see if affects your results. 

@all
The trick here is converting these beta particles to useful energy.  This is not as easy as it sounds. Be creative if you like.

@Koen
Can you please comment on your knowledge of betavoltaics?  We need some help here!  ;)

@b0rg
Original experiment resulted in beta rays which were far FAR in excess of 1seivert from 6VDC input.  In other words, the energy was so high it maxed out the geiger counter. Cameras also get fried. I will try my best to a replication tonight and post pictures after I give my camera a tinfoil hat.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2008, 04:14:09 PM by Feynman »

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #202 on: May 19, 2008, 03:30:01 PM »
As far as I know it doesn't "look like" anything, it's just a piece of beta emitting material, and you can only
"see" that when you put your geiger counter next to it...
So, you are not right about my idea here. I'm trying to say it is misleading to show photo and say 'it's fusion'. Beside that seeing a purple glow around the device is to be expected due to air ozonation/ionization caused by free electrons travelling around.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #203 on: May 19, 2008, 04:02:52 PM »
So, you are not right about my idea here. I'm trying to say it is misleading to show photo and say 'it's fusion'.
Okay, you're right there. Showing semi-molten metal and saying "it's fusion" isn't very usefull.
Molten metal could be the result of fusion but we can't really see that.

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Beside that seeing a purple glow around the device is to be expected due to air ozonation/ionization caused by free electrons travelling around.
That depends entirely on how much air you allow to ionise. Seems to me allowing the desired charges to escape the reactor chamber into the
surrounding air means losing a bunch of the energy you want to collect... So if the thing collects the energy, there souldn't be much surrounding
air ionisation going on at all around the device.
Beside that, beta emitters are not exactly known for their purple halos... You need to add phosphorus to turn it into visible light, generally.
Yes, Cherenkov light is purple-ish, but only generated when gamma collides with glass etc... Are you perhaps confusing the two?
 
@Feynman: what exactly do you want to know about beta emitters?
I was already thinking of using "standard" techniques for collecting beta particles like they use in beta-batteries...
Basically I was considering to build a beta battery with the Protelf process as beta source.
Problem is that most beta "atomic batteries" are not intended to produce nor handle such high output as we're talking
about here... But I'll dive in my collection and see if I can find a usefull setup for our purposes. :)

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #204 on: May 19, 2008, 04:15:50 PM »
@Koen

I think I guess we are trying to make a 'beta battery' in the sense where the beta particles strike a surface, perhaps displacing charge, in order to create a potential which gives us nice high usable current. At present, we are losing many beta particles by letting them fly past our collector, and consequently we are not getting high enough current density on the output (way below theoretical maximum), although this process does appear to greatly exceed COP=1.  Although we are able to get 'runaway' , and this is great for lab fun and excitement, it is not as useful for a generator to run your house.

Primarily we need two things

1) An efficient method of capturing and converting beta rays into usable voltage and current.
2) A method of PWM feedback which we can connect the output back to the input without the threat of 'runaway' condition.

« Last Edit: May 19, 2008, 07:52:30 PM by Feynman »

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #205 on: May 19, 2008, 04:22:06 PM »
Hi Feyman,
normally you use a big diode to catch
Beta radiation in the conduction band gaps.

So try to use an old solarcell
or diodes made by dissimular metals.

Try the Saltwater durafix-alloy-graphite cells.

Maybe one could just pulse the outer graphite shell
and collect inside in the durafix alloy  rod the electrons...

Here is an updated picture of the setup.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #206 on: May 19, 2008, 04:30:15 PM »
Yes indeed Stefan, using a diode type element
could allow for fairly good collection of more of the beta particles.
Or, like you say, dissimilar metals. But still similar idea.
Thanks for bringing that one up. :)

I was actually pondering photomultipliers...
Thinking along the lines that we could use the beta radiation
to knock secondary electrons off and thus increase voltage
while decreasing the particle speed significantly...
Haven't worked it out yet and I keep getting phonecalls so
I need to put my pondering on hold every couple of minutes...
... sure isn't the most effective way to get some good thinking done,
I can tell you that! ;)

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #207 on: May 19, 2008, 04:30:49 PM »
Well, I remember, that Walter Hofmann once told me,
that his Voltmeter played havoc, when he pulsed one of his
graphite -Zamak ( durafix)-alloy saltwater cells
with High voltage pulses...

I never tried it myself, but maybe he had a few magnets lying around there
and had the same effect as this one...

I have to ask him again,
if he could repeat the experiment with 2 stacked magnets
on it.

As Beta decay can be captured in PN-layers,
we could just put the graphite in series with the Zamak and thus
get a safe beta radiation battery.

Finally a material you just hit with some high voltage pulses
and it puts out more energy.

The dream has coming true ! ;)

Great exploration.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #208 on: May 19, 2008, 04:38:37 PM »
Yes, Cherenkov light is purple-ish, but only generated when gamma collides with glass etc... Are you perhaps confusing the two?
Well, to my knowledge electrostatic discharge in a rarefied air produces purple glow. So, I guess purple glow is to be expected at high beta intensities, because it is about ozonation, not about something extra happening. Almost any considerable energy emission will cause purple glow in air (oxygen turns into ozone).

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #209 on: May 19, 2008, 04:42:49 PM »
If I interpret this correctly, even with the current lacky method of using the electrons as charge you guys observed COP > 1 ?

 

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