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Offline UncleFester

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #705 on: June 17, 2008, 10:04:45 PM »
Hi Uncle Fester,

Several folk have been watching this thread and there is serious testing going on off this list.  No sense talking about it unless absolutely positive results.  I personally would not mind a hand drawn schematic from you, saves time and effort and gets the point across very fast.  My friends and I have all the equipment to build/test this device. 

From what I see so far, the engineering mountains to overcome are pulse current into and then current out of the device.  I so far have EMR pulse problems that really mucks with solid state instruments.  Shorts in the Toroid due to flash over when rod fires, HV supply Caps. that break down in a rapid fire pulse mode. High voltage/current IGBT's that roll over and die on command.   It's not as easy as it would first appear to be. 

Can you use a high current bidirectional sine wave through the rod/reactor or do you find that there is a need for a rapid rise time mono polarity pulse in the rod for maximum output? 


Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP

I've been trying to keep myself alive while working on a new electronics setup. Mexican truckers outbid us on are already low price to haul water for the drilling rigs at the local power plant. I have been having to scramble to make some money to keep my head above water.

In the meantime I have followed Juan's electronic layout to the last detail and have a microprocessor controlled system that automates switching of incoming mains supply off while the capacitor bank is discharged through 500V @ 200 Ampere Mosfets (2 in parallel). Alignment field is variable and processor controlled via PWM using AD inputs to check pulse voltage level on the alignment field windings of the toroid. I am making new bus bars for the capacitor bank because I was finding that resistance was too high between the mosfets and the  carbon rod (on the anode side) and I was not getting a good peak energy discharge. Tests will resume once this has been done.

Only problem I have seen so far is the back feeding of pulse energy through the mains line and thus it is required that the mains be isolated during capacitor discharge OR a large inductor placed on mains to protect it during discharge. Carbon rod temps will be an issue to tackle later. I don't have a schematic nor would many here be able to build the electronics I am using. Best to hang tight until more testing is done.

The process however can be built fifteen different ways and work the same. The requirements are 5th grade simple:

1. 1 Khz pulse across a pair of windings on the toroid for both bias and alignment field (peak to peak should be 100V or so).
2. SCR, Mosfet, IGBT etc can be used for dumping said required 110 joule charge across carbon.
3. Heavy gauge cable across discharge path, minimize resistance.
4. Switch mains off or use inductor to protect mains during cap firing.
5. Heavy wattage resistor on second pair of windings on toroid to check for power output.
6. Get real fancy and add relay for power transfer from output windings to input for self runner (hopefully = )

Juan already laid all this out for us. We just need to read what he said and his emails from him sent to others. But just the description above will allow anyone to build it.

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« Reply #706 on: June 18, 2008, 02:24:04 AM »
(1. 1 Khz pulse across a pair of windings on the toroid for both bias and alignment field (peak to peak should be 100V or so).)

Not to sure about this, I think power to the toroid would not produce a field in the same direction as the winding on the original design.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #707 on: June 18, 2008, 03:18:59 AM »
(1. 1 Khz pulse across a pair of windings on the toroid for both bias and alignment field (peak to peak should be 100V or so).)

Not to sure about this, I think power to the toroid would not produce a field in the same direction as the winding on the original design.

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Juan said this is how he does it, and shows in his schematic. Windings get hot and do nothing under a normal power supply at 12-24VDC @ 2A, already tested this.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #708 on: June 18, 2008, 10:23:17 PM »
UncleFester,

Were you able to reproduce the runaway event without a spark gap?  I am not clear on this.

About how many windings were on the toroid?  If you still have the original setup that caused runaway, a picture is worth a thousand words here. ;)

I've been running many tests here with absolutely no indication of overunity--it would be helpful to work from a known working setup.

Thanks!

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« Reply #709 on: June 18, 2008, 11:53:40 PM »
UncleFester,

Were you able to reproduce the runaway event without a spark gap?  I am not clear on this.

About how many windings were on the toroid?  If you still have the original setup that caused runaway, a picture is worth a thousand words here. ;)

I've been running many tests here with absolutely no indication of overunity--it would be helpful to work from a known working setup.

Thanks!

The HV setup has been dismantled for weeks. It was a simple, crude and "just for kicks" setup. I reproduced the effect three times before I took it apart. It was taken apart because it was absolutely of no use for anything except de-sulfation of batteries, thus it is of no interest to me. I am looking for results that show viable uses in powering my home. If I do not see that result based on 315 VAC input and 220VAC @ 60hz output then I will no longer pursue the device. The high voltage at a few milliamperes of current powering itself only shows the device achieving anomalous results.

On the other hand, I know that most people in forums like this either don't build to exact specs of something that has been claimed to work. Or they tend to think "oh, I could build this better than the original working device" and then when it doesn't work, they openly claim the device does not work even though they did not build to spec. For over 17 years I have seen this occur in the "free energy" arena. And so I realize that there could be very real results if building exactly according to the schematics and information given by the originator of this thread, and thus I am building almost exactly to the original schematic minus the SCR, which only serves to isolate the mains power.

The battery bank idea from previous posts was great, but in order to lower current levels to something workable (I.E. 150-320 VDC input) then it would take a very large bank of batteries in series AND it is not how the original device was set up. Secondly lower voltages will not give useful AC output in the 120-240VAC range. So there are many good ideas, etc, but none of them match the exact specs of the device which started this thread. I am trying to build that exact (or very close) to that device.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #710 on: June 20, 2008, 03:02:54 AM »
Hi Uncle Fester,

Several folk have been watching this thread and there is serious testing going on off this list.  No sense talking about it unless absolutely positive results.  I personally would not mind a hand drawn schematic from you, saves time and effort and gets the point across very fast.  My friends and I have all the equipment to build/test this device. 

From what I see so far, the engineering mountains to overcome are pulse current into and then current out of the device.  I so far have EMR pulse problems that really mucks with solid state instruments.  Shorts in the Toroid due to flash over when rod fires, HV supply Caps. that break down in a rapid fire pulse mode. High voltage/current IGBT's that roll over and die on command.   It's not as easy as it would first appear to be. 

Can you use a high current bidirectional sine wave through the rod/reactor or do you find that there is a need for a rapid rise time mono polarity pulse in the rod for maximum output? 


Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP

You're right, it's not as easy as it appears to be. Isolate your switching electronics. I use separate power supplies for both the logic and the gate firing circuits (TC4422CAT) and another HV supply for charging main capacitor. Everything is opto-isolated from the switching logic as well. Large transistors are needed for the discharge and everything is earth-grounded. I believe we still need a fast single polarity pulse from the capacitor bank. I doubt a sine wave will work.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #711 on: June 20, 2008, 04:06:36 AM »
@UncleFester,
we are still waiting for a video from your new camera...
Did you already get your new camera ?
Many thanks.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #712 on: June 20, 2008, 05:05:34 AM »
@UncleFester,
we are still waiting for a video from your new camera...
Did you already get your new camera ?
Many thanks.

Yes, but there has not been much to film yet = ) I am still trying to get a full charge across the carbon. Once I get that done I will make some video. I am not sure where to upload it to, but I will try and play with it a little. Been very busy working on this circuit.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #713 on: June 20, 2008, 05:43:59 AM »
You're right, it's not as easy as it appears to be. Isolate your switching electronics. I use separate power supplies for both the logic and the gate firing circuits (TC4422CAT) and another HV supply for charging main capacitor. Everything is opto-isolated from the switching logic as well. Large transistors are needed for the discharge and everything is earth-grounded. I believe we still need a fast single polarity pulse from the capacitor bank. I doubt a sine wave will work.

Hi Uncle Fester,

Thank you for your assessment of my question and your straight forward answer.  It never did make sense that a sine wave could drive this device into excess output.  As you suggested, a chopped sine wave might work but it would take a heck of a circuit to drive essentially a 0 ohm load.

I suspect the most misunderstood aspect of the whole device is the current density within the carbon element that is required to initiate a reaction.  The 110J is a nice number to point at but unless we know the amount of carbon in the loop, the minimum rise time requirement of the pulse, the duration of the pulse and on and and on,  It is a huge question mark as to how to procede.  By that, I mean, is that 110J pulse based on a cube of 1 sq. centimeter of carbon or would it be 110J /gram of carbon?  It is very ambiguous to use that particular number without supporting information.  Is it a 300V 1 ms pulse or a 300V 10 ms pulse, all dependent on size of cap, etc. Then too what is the repetition rate required to maintain a energy flow?    IF a large rod is used, the amount of energy require to see this low level reaction would be immense as the energy flowing through the lattice of carbon would be spread out over a large area.

 If you do the math on a carbon rod, the voltage drop across it with varying voltages from a cap. bank, and the required 110J or 110 watts of peak pulse dissipation, it becomes very quickly obvious that unless you have a power supply the size of a old VW, your rod must by design be very small with some measurable resistance..Then heat becomes a beast here, In fact, I wonder if it not part of the equation?.........

So far after starting off with a lot of excitement, I have simplified my circuit until I am now working with the most simple of devices.  Using a cap of 20uf and 0 to 4000VDC, in the 0-160J range, dumped via a single pulse from a heavy duty relay contact into a D cell carbon rod has resulted in NO detectable radiation above background pulses on my 1960's style radiation counter.

I am down to next trying to dump this into a very small carbon rod (#2 lead pencil) and essentially "glow" it or possibly vaporize it and/or initiate a continuous spark between two small rods, similar to a carbon arc lamp but with magnetic bias and hopefully see the background radiation rise after a pulse.  Without seeing the radiation rise, all the rest of the circuitry is an exercise in futility.  If I can get the radiation, the rest is duck soup for me.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP


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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #714 on: June 20, 2008, 06:30:49 AM »
Hi Uncle Fester,

Thank you for your assessment of my question and your straight forward answer.  It never did make sense that a sine wave could drive this device into excess output.  As you suggested, a chopped sine wave might work but it would take a heck of a circuit to drive essentially a 0 ohm load.

I suspect the most misunderstood aspect of the whole device is the current density within the carbon element that is required to initiate a reaction.  The 110J is a nice number to point at but unless we know the amount of carbon in the loop, the minimum rise time requirement of the pulse, the duration of the pulse and on and and on,  It is a huge question mark as to how to procede.  By that, I mean, is that 110J pulse based on a cube of 1 sq. centimeter of carbon or would it be 110J /gram of carbon?  It is very ambiguous to use that particular number without supporting information.  Is it a 300V 1 ms pulse or a 300V 10 ms pulse, all dependent on size of cap, etc. Then too what is the repetition rate required to maintain a energy flow?    IF a large rod is used, the amount of energy require to see this low level reaction would be immense as the energy flowing through the lattice of carbon would be spread out over a large area.

As per Juan:

Carbon rod is 6mm and 60mm long. It is 1.8Ohms total. 110Joules works out of the following formula he gave. You can and should calculate it yourself as well. With every step up in voltage, the capacitance requirement drops by a factor of four. 110 Joules is discharged across the rod EVERY PULSE.

Case   Capacity (micro farad)         Voltage ( Volts )
1        1521200                                12
2         380300                                 24
3          87620                                  50
4          21920                                 100
5           9740                                  150
6           2280                                  311
7           760                                   540

 For the case 5 is like connect a condensers bank to an electrical net of 110 VAC, the case 6 is for a net of 220 VAC, and the case 7 for the voltage between the lines or phases in a triphase system of 220 VAC for phase and 380 VAC between the lines.

So if you want to use smaller transistors to switch the bank, then use higher voltages. If you want 60Hz AC power then discharge 60 times per second across the rod. The transformer will act as though it is connected to standard mains and the power out is a clean sine wave.


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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #715 on: June 20, 2008, 04:11:56 PM »
As per Juan:

Carbon rod is 6mm and 60mm long. It is 1.8Ohms total. 110Joules works out of the following formula he gave. You can and should calculate it yourself as well. With every step up in voltage, the capacitance requirement drops by a factor of four. 110 Joules is discharged across the rod EVERY PULSE.

Case   Capacity (micro farad)         Voltage ( Volts )
1        1521200                                12
2         380300                                 24
3          87620                                  50
4          21920                                 100
5           9740                                  150
6           2280                                  311
7           760                                   540

 For the case 5 is like connect a condensers bank to an electrical net of 110 VAC, the case 6 is for a net of 220 VAC, and the case 7 for the voltage between the lines or phases in a triphase system of 220 VAC for phase and 380 VAC between the lines.

So if you want to use smaller transistors to switch the bank, then use higher voltages. If you want 60Hz AC power then discharge 60 times per second across the rod. The transformer will act as though it is connected to standard mains and the power out is a clean sine wave.



Good Morning Uncle Fester,

Thanks for the information. Your numbers and mine are VERY close.

 I find that I have a real problem here with my carbon rod out of a D Cell battery.  Using a Fluke 77 III Multimeter, that can resolve .1 ohm resistance,  the measured resistance of the rod is less than  0.1 Ohm, or beyond/lower than the capability of the meter to accurately measure it. 

With resistance that low, it is almost impossible to deliver the majority of the energy to the rod as the total resistance of the loop including wiring, connections, power supply impedance and contacts/or switch around the rod must be at least a magnitude of 10 times less or >.01 ohms TOTAL and this is most certainly the problem I have with starting a reaction.  As I said, almost impossible but not if tenacity is employed.  Clip leads, # 12 wire will NOT work here. 

It is also very clear that the pictorial in the original article would never work, too much resistance in the driving circuit.Not enough energy delivered to the carbon unless the carbon rod was a very high resistance piece of material!  If my assumptions are correct, a working unit will look most certainly different than depicted! Perhaps the orginal article and pictorial was just a theroitical visulation of what is required to initiate the reaction.  A real working unit will have to be built like a tank with very heavy low resistance buss bars, high pressure connections, VERY low on resistance of solid state switches, VERY low impedance Cap. bank!,  The possibility of MANY SS switches on a common buss, fired at same time seem a necessity.  More basic R&D needed here. 

The very fact that 110J is needed in the rod is interesting.  To inject 108 J into the 1.8 ohm rod requires a discharge of 60 amps into the rod to produce 108 volts across the carbon!  Tedious scope work showed this is difficult to obtain just mucking around!. Any voltage across the carbon of less than 108 volts would not work with this sample of rod and this is in a perfect world of zero losses in the buss bars and switches and infinitely low power supply internal resistance.  It is interesting that the Joules, resistance all line up here, theoritically correct but not a practical depection of total values circuit wise needed. It would appear that there is manipulation of numbers based on theory and not real world actual working conditions......Again, lots of R&D needed.

In some previous post, I remember a location given to obtain a specified rod.  I'll look it up and order the correct material.  In the mean time I'll try other carbon sources for messing around purposes.  Anyone have a 2 to 10 ohm rod??????

Will be back when I have the correct rod and figure out how to build a device in my small lab that meets the conditions needed to work or if further discussion is needed. 

Again, none of the above is negative or implies that the device will not work.  Just my observations and thoughts on the fly as I see it on what will be required to make it work!

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« Reply #716 on: June 20, 2008, 06:19:54 PM »
Good Morning Uncle Fester,

Thanks for the information. Your numbers and mine are VERY close.

 I find that I have a real problem here with my carbon rod out of a D Cell battery.  Using a Fluke 77 III Multimeter, that can resolve .1 ohm resistance,  the measured resistance of the rod is less than  0.1 Ohm, or beyond/lower than the capability of the meter to accurately measure it. 

With resistance that low, it is almost impossible to deliver the majority of the energy to the rod as the total resistance of the loop including wiring, connections, power supply impedance and contacts/or switch around the rod must be at least a magnitude of 10 times less or >.01 ohms TOTAL and this is most certainly the problem I have with starting a reaction.  As I said, almost impossible but not if tenacity is employed.  Clip leads, # 12 wire will NOT work here. 

Ben K4ZEP

Wrong carbon, way way way too low resistance. Bigger wire would be nice too, I use #6 with solid copper eyelets on the ends, about 4mm thick. Should handle 100 amp pulses easily. I also use a special electrolytic. It's made by UBE (Rifa), ultra low impedance. If you discharge this capacitor (2200uF) with a screw driver it will rattle the whole shop unlike all the other electrolytics that only slowly discharge or make a small popping sound under the same conditions, this one is made for pulsed applications. It will dump the entire charge as fast as you want it to (within reason). Power supplies must be isolated, I fried a processor and other stuff until I isolated everything, and I still need MOV's for snubbing before I will fire this again.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #717 on: June 20, 2008, 09:48:15 PM »
Wrong carbon, way way way too low resistance. Bigger wire would be nice too, I use #6 with solid copper eyelets on the ends, about 4mm thick. Should handle 100 amp pulses easily. I also use a special electrolytic. It's made by UBE (Rifa), ultra low impedance. If you discharge this capacitor (2200uF) with a screw driver it will rattle the whole shop unlike all the other electrolytics that only slowly discharge or make a small popping sound under the same conditions, this one is made for pulsed applications. It will dump the entire charge as fast as you want it to (within reason). Power supplies must be isolated, I fried a processor and other stuff until I isolated everything, and I still need MOV's for snubbing before I will fire this again.

Hi Uncle Fester,

Thanks for the heads up on the resistance of the rod.  I need to find some Photo Flash Caps in the 360V range and 2200 uf or where I can parallel them to get the output current/low impedance needed. Do you have the part # for that RIFA cap?  I also have to find the right kind of rod...Haven't found the post yet.....Anybody have that link?


I suspect your Cap. pretty well mucks up the blade on the screwdriver with a "hard" discharge!!!!!   Hope everyone watches their voltage drops across all connections/junctions ect. in this device.  @ 60-100 amps, they add up fast and power delivered to rod goes away!

Ben


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« Reply #718 on: June 21, 2008, 12:41:50 AM »
Hi Uncle Fester,

Thanks for the heads up on the resistance of the rod.  I need to find some Photo Flash Caps in the 360V range and 2200 uf or where I can parallel them to get the output current/low impedance needed. Do you have the part # for that RIFA cap?  I also have to find the right kind of rod...Haven't found the post yet.....Anybody have that link?


I suspect your Cap. pretty well mucks up the blade on the screwdriver with a "hard" discharge!!!!!   Hope everyone watches their voltage drops across all connections/junctions ect. in this device.  @ 60-100 amps, they add up fast and power delivered to rod goes away!

Ben



Rifa caps:

PEH200VU433AQ is 400VDC @ 3300uF

http://www.evoxrifa.com/n_america/electrolytic_cap_cat.htm

Place I purchased them:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZlisaQ5fctrsurplusQQssPageNameZSTRKQ3aMEFSQ3aMESOI

These guys give good service and have plenty of 1200V @ 300A IGBT dual modules (bricks) and other goodies. You can Also find the Rifa caps on ebay through other sellers as well.

Carbon rods 1/4" (6mm):

http://www.tedpella.com/carbon_html/carbon1.htm

Larger Carbon:

http://www.graphitestore.com/items_list.asp?action=prod&prd_id=25&cat_id=22&curPage=2

P.S. You can easily smoke a small screwdriver with these caps = ) Sounds like a shotgun blast going off if you are crazy enough to do it. Although that's why my handle is UncleFester = )


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« Reply #719 on: June 21, 2008, 03:12:53 AM »
Rifa caps:

PEH200VU433AQ is 400VDC @ 3300uF

http://www.evoxrifa.com/n_america/electrolytic_cap_cat.htm

Place I purchased them:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZlisaQ5fctrsurplusQQssPageNameZSTRKQ3aMEFSQ3aMESOI

These guys give good service and have plenty of 1200V @ 300A IGBT dual modules (bricks) and other goodies. You can Also find the Rifa caps on ebay through other sellers as well.

Carbon rods 1/4" (6mm):

http://www.tedpella.com/carbon_html/carbon1.htm

Larger Carbon:

http://www.graphitestore.com/items_list.asp?action=prod&prd_id=25&cat_id=22&curPage=2

P.S. You can easily smoke a small screwdriver with these caps = ) Sounds like a shotgun blast going off if you are crazy enough to do it. Although that's why my handle is UncleFester = )



Hi Uncle Fester!

Are you a take off on Uncle Fester the "Mad" scientists of the "Adams Family" AKA Tad?

To get real now. I had given up on this technology a couple days ago as impractical and washed my hands in disgust until I understood the resistance problem (saw the light!) in a carbon rod from a D cell battery. As I absolutely refuse to accept failure if there is "One chance in hell". (I've been jousting with windmills for most of my life)....assuming the theory is correct, I will give it a "best shot" and see what happens.....Less than $100 invested to have basic correct materials on hand ( spent many times that on Bedini motors) and all the other parts are here from other experiments.

Pure carbon rods have been ordered. Ordered the 61-15 Carbon Rods, Grade 1 Spec-Pure, 1/8" x 12" (3 x 304mm)  I did get the 1/8" instead of the 1/4 for resistance reasons but can bundle if needed.  All I want to see is a burst of radiation which I understand can last as long as 20 sec. after a pulse.  Heck, I would take 0.1 second long as a "BIG" event.   A nice 4200uF @500 VDC RIFA cap (  PEH169ZY442GM ) with very low ESR found and purchased on Ebay using "buy it now"..Have power supply to do slow rep. rate single pulse test.  IGBT's/opto's or HD Rly contact already on hand.........All will take about a week to get here.

Any hints on how to terminate to carbon rods?

Thanks for the help! 

Ben K4ZEP

 

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