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Author Topic: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions  (Read 369527 times)

Offline Koen1

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #915 on: October 16, 2008, 05:42:17 PM »
@Forest: :D Indeed, the Tesla coil thing you bring up is quite typical.
A great many people have built "Tesla coils" and most of those work,
they produce high voltage arc dircharges that look like those Tesla produced.
But one thing that struck me when I first figured it out was that most of these
don't even use Tesla's papers at all, they use build-it guides written by
others who tried to build "Tesla coils". And like you said, none of them
(except for the occasional oddity) seem to be able to reach the extreme
power levels that Tesla managed to achieve.

I do believe that Tesla himself was a genious and that he did manage to build
devices which we can nowadays only barely get to work, and inefficiently
at that. I also believe most of what he knew was never written down,
and that the most crucial knowledge the man had gathered during his lifetime
accompanied him to the afterlife.
Unfortunately.

@Sparks: well I'm not sure but I seem to recall that they did later figure out that
those signals were natural occurrences emanating from Mars, although at present
I can't recall how exactly they are produced. ;)

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #915 on: October 16, 2008, 05:42:17 PM »

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #916 on: October 16, 2008, 11:58:17 PM »
May I ask whay you did "back then" that you worked with these devices? :)

No  :)

There was no radiation shielding. I doubt the speeds used would have generated Beta but they had other valued radiated effects. The only problem was you turn it on and you had to fly using stored hydraulic pressure for controls.
At the time I wasn't on the technical side of the device but I do remember the techs saying once started it provided its own power for internal elements. I doubt that meant it was self-powered but that stuck in my mind then.

I would give my mother-in-law for one now  :D

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #917 on: October 17, 2008, 02:28:50 PM »
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May I ask whay you did "back then" that you worked with these devices? ;)

No  :)

LMAO :D Priceless ;D
Ok, no problem. NDA or something? Never mind.

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There was no radiation shielding. I doubt the speeds used would have generated Beta but they had other valued radiated effects. The only problem was you turn it on and you had to fly using stored hydraulic pressure for controls.
*hint detector activated ;)*
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At the time I wasn't on the technical side of the device but I do remember the techs saying once started it provided its own power for internal elements. I doubt that meant it was self-powered but that stuck in my mind then.
Yeah, I suppose they meant that when the main power to the coils was on, the internals of the device got all the power they needed from induced
fields inside the tron.
But then again, they weren't trying to use it as OU generator, but to generated the "other valued radiated effects". ;)
(assuming that you won't like me to reveal what you didn't want to reveal. So not getting into that. ;))

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #918 on: October 17, 2008, 06:45:54 PM »
NDA?

Nothing that breakable  ;)

The only thing I ever saw that looked almost exactly like one... There are two of them in the middle of the big TPU. They appear to be the same size also. The idea of any experimenter getting their hands on a small betatron is ridiculous.

I think there is a good reason for limited information on these.

BTW: The charge rotational axis was as most would expect but the magnetic axis was 90 out (as I'm sure you would expect) and now that there have been many years for me to think about it the latter should have also rotated again around the charge axis.

See why I would give my mother-in-law for one?


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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #919 on: October 18, 2008, 04:49:47 AM »
reading over Teslas 454622 patent he talks about using carbon as an induction lighting element... was thinking of attempting such an expieriment and thought it be smart to ask you guys if yall think it wuld cause any kinda transmutation of the carbon or any worries on that end of attempting it?

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #920 on: October 20, 2008, 12:33:27 PM »
One method that does seem to give overunity is Naudin's so called plasma cold fusion. I used a graphite rod (negative) and stainless steel sheet (positive) in potassium chloride solution in a 500 ml lab beaker. The carbon glows white hot in the water with brilliant flashing white sparks on the surface. Weighing the water before and after and the voltage and current input there seems to be overunity. Naudin gives the full calculation:-
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/cfr/ape/index.htm
The graphite rod is also pitted even after only a two minute run.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #921 on: October 20, 2008, 03:37:44 PM »
NDA?

Nothing that breakable  ;)

The only thing I ever saw that looked almost exactly like one... There are two of them in the middle of the big TPU. They appear to be the same size also. The idea of any experimenter getting their hands on a small betatron is ridiculous.

I think there is a good reason for limited information on these.

BTW: The charge rotational axis was as most would expect but the magnetic axis was 90 out (as I'm sure you would expect) and now that there have been many years for me to think about it the latter should have also rotated again around the charge axis.

See why I would give my mother-in-law for one?



  Bep

     Those white deals look like a magnetron core to me.  Radar.  SM  could have himself a big old unloaded microwave oven.  The torroid windings and capacitors just low frequency lc tanks. And the collector winding collecting standing waves.
The difference here is that you produce a rotating pulsed magnetic field to work the torroid lctanks.  If this rotating magnetic field takes advantage of the Earth's magnetic field relativity to it's spin then there is gain from Earth's rotation.
   Sorry again for this off topic intrusion.

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Offline mikewatson

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #922 on: October 21, 2008, 12:55:36 PM »
Carbon to iron transmutation.
Continuing my last posting regarding plasma electrolysis with a graphite rod, I remembered Joe Champion and Michio Kushi's low energy transmutation experiments. They claimed that arcing carbon under water transmutes it to iron. The configuration with plasma electroysis is slightly different but nevertheless a mass of brown particles have sunk to the bottom of the beaker I used. Holding a neo magnet underneath showed strong magnetic attraction on some particles suggesting they are ferromagnetic. The stainless steel counter electrode is not attacked at all so the ferromagnetic particles must have come from the graphite rod I used. However it is spectrally pure graphite. The potassium chloride electrolyte is reagent grade and the water distilled so I conclude that Champion & Co are right carbon (graphite) has transmuted to iron.

Mike

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #923 on: October 21, 2008, 01:12:06 PM »
Caron into iron , hmmm...

I thought how it is possible and invented very odd theory. What if electrons may lost spin , fall into core and become proton or neutron ?  Spin will radiate and being heat light or other radiant energy wave.
If this is possible someone should analyse old arc lamps.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #924 on: October 21, 2008, 02:04:49 PM »
@Mike: yeah, I've heard quite a number of accounts of
underwater discharge systems accumulating a brown
muck at the bottom (or at the electrodes) and/or
brownish 'spume' on top of the water... I seem to recall
most of those did use carbon (graphite) rod electrodes.

@Forest: well, yeah, exotic electron+proton=>neutron
fusion could explain it I guess... But that is not really
considered to be a common reaction...
I would guesstimate it is due to absorption of neutrons
from the water. Possibly even absorption of multiple
protons and neutrons. After all, if the water contains
deuterium, deuterium-hydrogen nuclear fusion may occur
(if the fields and energies are right), which as we all
know should produce a nucleus with 2 protons and 1 neutron,
which is a Helium nucleus a.k.a. alpha particle.
But I must admit it is quite a large jump to get from Carbon
to Iron: Carbon has 6 protons and 6 neutrons (98.9% of it does,
1.1% of it has 7 neutrons but is still stable, only trace amounts
just above 0% are unstable C14 with 8 neutrons and decays into
Nitrogen14 after a near 6000 year halflife) while Iron has 26
protons and 30 neutrons (91.7% of it does, while theoretically
any range between 28 and 34 neutrons will still form Iron,
of which only Fe57 and Fe58 (with 31 resp 32 neutrons) is
stable along with Fe56. All the others decay, although Fe54
with 28 neutrons has a halflife of approx. 3000 billion billion years,
if I'm not mistaken. So it's not stable but I wouldn't really call
it very instable either. ;)

In any case, my point is: to get from 6 protons and 6 neutrons
to 26 protons and 30 neutrons, we'd clearly need to add another
20 protons and another 24 neutrons... And if we'd need to get
all those from Deuterium and Tritium, we'd need something like
16 Deuterium atoms and 8 Tritium atoms, which would give us
16 proton+neutron pairs and 8 neutron-proton-neutron triplets,
resulting in the necessary 20 p and 24 n.
That's a hell of a lot of heavy water getting cemented together
into one iron atom!
Seems highly unlikely...
Let's assume 4 carbon nuclei can join the fusion dance...
then we'd already have 24 protons and neutrons, and we'd only need
2 more protons and 6 more neutrons...

Sigh... Well, IDK. ;)
But it sure looks like it can't just be the water providing those huge amounts
of neutrons... Or you'd have some damn heavy water running from your taps! ;D

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #925 on: October 21, 2008, 03:06:40 PM »
@Mike

           I ran an electrocoagulation unit that was in a lined stainless steel reaction chamber.  (Ultrasonic agitation of the aluminum oxide forming on the sacrificial anode made the ss transponder tank walls necessary)  There was 230volt dc applied to a plate stack of aluminum.  The nickel and steel broke down from the electrolysis in area's of the tank that were never thought to receive any type of voltage.  I would really look your stainless over.  Your iron may be coming from the ss in an ion exchange with the graphite.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #926 on: October 21, 2008, 04:49:43 PM »
@Sparks

Yes, to test for this I have done the experiment with two graphites and with graphite and tungsten and I still get the stuff attracted by a magnet. If two dissimilar materials are used the graphite is always negative.

Champion does it by striking an arc (no electrolyte) with a graphite rod into graphite powder inside a graphite crucible and gets this magnetisable material. Michio Kushi says it also works with striking an arc on graphite powder in a copper dish, again no electrolyte, I have not tried these

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« Reply #927 on: October 21, 2008, 05:34:24 PM »
    I've seen the same stuff in electolysis machines but always thought it was because of dissolved iron in the water or coming from impurities in the electrodes.
hmmmm

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« Reply #928 on: October 21, 2008, 07:43:40 PM »
@Sparks

Amateur research capabilities are clearly limited so the best you can do is to buy stuff already guaranteed purity. The high purity graphite rods are expensive but you do get an analysis of their trace element content, a few parts per million of iron and less of other paramagnetic elements. The water is lab grade, but anyway some of the magnetic crud pieces produced are the size of a pin head, hardly trace elements. Of course it is not possible to do absolutely conclusive experiments without a university lab.  The only comfort is that Prof. Bockriss apparently repeated this and other similar experiments at A&M university.   
The real problem is conceptual because it does not fit the current paradigm of nuclear reactions requiring huge energies, which ideas are the natural evolution of Rutherford's experiments in the Cavendish laboratory with particle accelerators using voltage multipliers and later the cyclotron etc ending with the LHC at Cern.
There may be other ways though; Champion suggests that the nucleus is arranged in alpha particle  sized blocks which can get easily rearranged with little energy and no dangerous particle emissions, so for example 10* alpha = 20Ca40and oxygen and carbon give iron 2(6C12 + 8O16) = 28Fe56.
The important possibility is that some of these reaction could be usefully exothermic without the danger of emitted nuclear particles.

Mike


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« Reply #929 on: October 22, 2008, 03:56:17 AM »
@All

If this brown substance is indeed a transmuted form of carbon - you have the secret to making carbon storage a safe reality.

......Carbon storage as it relates to clean coal fired power generation and other forms of carbon that may be captured.

Brown doesn't mean it is iron either. Neither does ferromagnetic response to a magnet.

I think it would be interesting to know if a similar experiment with no carbon element, within a CO2 or CO filled chamber created such brown material.


 

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