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Offline mikewatson

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #885 on: October 11, 2008, 03:26:39 PM »

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This may be what is happening with my argon tubes as well, I haven't checked for radiation yet.
But Argon 40 would become Chlorine 40 which has a half life of 1.35 min. releasing 7.48 MeV.

AbbaRue,

sorry I cocked up the quote on my last post. Here it is again

It is interesting that all gas discharge tube eventually "run dry". The general theory is that the gas is absorbed into the tube walls or is "gettered" through metal vapour evaporated from the electrodes locking the gas up. Heating the tube does not restore the gas so where has it gone? it would seem it has been transmuted. Some of the transmutation product may be the black deposit around the electrodes, which conventionally is just evaporated electrode metal.  There is appears to be a small amount of radiation from a energy saving fluorescent lamp though a thin metal window going from 0.06 microS/hr background to 0.17 microS/hr, a standard fluorescent tube gives about 0.13 microS/hr on the beta+gamma setting (with a Gamma Scout as used by Naudin)much the same as Naudin was getting in the VSG experiment.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #886 on: October 11, 2008, 04:02:39 PM »
   Bombarding the neucleus with it's own electrons.  When you consider that the positive charge approaches infinity as you get nearer the proton this is all doable in theory.  Be like slowing down the moon enough to have it impact the Earth.  I'm sure this would result in some energy radiation in addition to the energy gained from the moons inertia.   Lot easier to derail a train than pickit up and set it on the side of the tracks. :D

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #887 on: October 12, 2008, 06:27:48 PM »
@ Sparks
   
   You seem very learned about atomic level interactions. I was wondering if there would be
any action between a copper coil and a proton stream? This has been a curiosity of mine.
Thanks

thaelin
 

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #888 on: October 13, 2008, 04:19:18 AM »
Dear All,

I am new to this forum,and wanted to test VSG experiments.
I have build up the system,and will be doing my test in coming days.

Wanted some possible suggestions on how to tune the polarization circuit?

amcha

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #889 on: October 13, 2008, 10:36:08 AM »
amcha

I will be interested in your results. I have NOT been successful in repeated Naudins claimed output difference. There is a small difference but it is less than about 10% and due to other causes.
What do you mean by "tuning the polarisation" circuit? do you mean the concentric magnetic field arround the carbon rod? it  just uses a coil with the appropriate amp/turns which are pretty easy to calculate.

You may some of the following so excuse me if you do:-
As far as the capacitance voltage switched into the carbon-tungsten junction is concerned Naudin used several different combinations. It usaully depends on you FETs  and the capacitor size. In the last tests I did I used 0.2 Farad at up to 40 volts. I have also used 0.008 F up to 200 volts, and also up to 400 volts using an thyristor switch. The current through the carbon/tungsten was in the region of up to 1000 amps. The current transformer must have a big core to avoid saturation. I use a 500 Watt mains transformer as a toroid and it must be loaded with a low resistor ( as Naudin does) if it is to work as a current transformer. . The carbon tungsten acts as a single turn primary. My transformer has 600 turns on the main (230 V) winding so of not loaded with a resistor you would  get 600* 40 = 24 KV output which would destroy the insulation.
Another point which Naudin does not mention is that the effect of passing a current pulse through a toroid causes it to become semi-permanently magnetised (due to hysteresis of the B-H curve). So after each pusle the core needs restoring to the zero magnetic state by passing an gradually decreasing AC current through one of the unused windings on the toroid. I use a variac to do that. If this is not done the next discharge pulse passed through the carbon tungsten will have a different amplitude due to toroidal core polarisation.

Finally there is a lot to be said for using a 0.01 ohm (50 W) series resistor instead of a current transformer, you get a much better waveform resolution.  A storage scope is also essential to see what is going on.

Mike

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Offline mikewatson

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #890 on: October 13, 2008, 12:15:26 PM »
amcha

another problem with the Naudin experiment I forgot to mention is that the known decay time from Boron (5 B12) to Carbon12 is 20.20 millisecs. So I would expect to see a second pulse delayed by 20 ms on Naudins graphs. On his graphs the decay pulse is in phase with the excitation.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #891 on: October 13, 2008, 02:21:37 PM »
@Thaelin

    I just have a real primitive knowlege of atomic theory.  Mike and Ahura are quontom leaps ahead of me. :)  It is peculiar that you ask this question because I was spending some time last week on researching the possiblity of concentrating molecular vibrations of an ionized gas in a heat pump circuit.  My thought was to concentrate the gas onto an emitter plate by response of the ionized gas to an external magnetic scource.  Therefore polarizing the normally randomized molecular vibrations and raising the temperature of the plate without the need of a mechanical compressor.  Something like your proton stream would be the final product of the heated gas passing through the interior of the pulsed induction coil.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #892 on: October 13, 2008, 03:40:34 PM »
@Mike: you are right concerning the oddities in the VSG story.
There are certain things that just don't seem to make sense, like
the absence of the decay time in the graphs...
Or the fact that some did manage to replicate and get more energy out than in,
and others did not manage to produce such readings while their setup
sounded like it was built correctly...
Or the fact that mr Vallée himself apparently never developed a working
reactor, but only the theory...

But then again, similar oddities happened when they were trying to develop
heavier-than-air flight. Some managed to do it, others did not, some
of the latter were university professors in aerodynamics even...
But in the end a couple of bicycle repair men managed to get a wing
frame to lift off powered by a moped engine, while on the other side
of the US high ranking academics were still shouting that hta flight
was proven to be imposible. By the time those academics finally
admitted it did appear to be possible after all, despite all their theoretical
explanations to the contrary, a dozen of brave inventors were already
flying their homebuilt airoplanes over European cities. And crashing them
every now and then, of course.

I'm just saying, the fact that there seem to be large differences in the
level of success between the different attempts to replicate,
does not necessarily mean the theory is flawed, nor that it cannot be done.
It just means we haven't really figured out exactly how to get it to work in all
situations yet.
;)


On the idea of a continuous gas discharge Synergetic generator;
It will require quite a large input to induce the initial gas discharge to begin with.
This input requirement may be decreased by adding another method to cause
excitation in the gas, so that the lower induction energy can more easily
"take hold" of the gas and "dislodge" the neutral gas into ion streams more easily.
A possible method to do so is the addition of UV light; most gases become
ionised to a degree by interaction with UV light. So we beam UV into the
toroidal chamber while we power the induction coils, and we may be able to
increase efficiency of the induction significantly.

Also, and some of you may have spotted this before as I had myself, but since
a friend of mine brought it up recently I though perhaps people here might like to
know about it as well;
As some of you must know and others may not, the induction of a circular electric
field and circular electron movement in a chamber, using such strong magnetic field
induction, is very similar to the classical setup of an electron accellerator tube called
a Betatron and used in the '50s, '60s and '70s. However, those were typically not filled
with gas but rather vacuum, and they used a cathode and an anode inside the tube;
the electrons emitted by the cathode would be accellerated in a circle by the strong
magnetic fields (that were pulsed to achieve this), untill at some point their energy
and speed were such that they would be sort of flung outward, where they would crash
into the anode which was usually a Tungsten electrode fixed to the toroidal chamber wall.
The high energy impact of the electrons on the Tungsten woud generate Gamma rays.
And that's typically what Betatrons were used for: the generation of nasty heavy radiation.
Lol not surprising that of the few people that I've spoken that understand what I'm talking
about, about half replied "you shouldn't do that! You'd be building a Betatron and you'll
kill yourself with the Gamma that produces!"...
... And they'd be right, if it really were a Betatron. But it's not.
I envision what is indeed very close to such a Betatron, but without the cathode and anode,
and without a vacuum but rather with a gas inside the chamber.
Recently I came up with a version that could include a small plasma chamber in which
a small amount of the gas can be turned plasma, so that this plasma could be ejected
into the main toroidal discharge chamber... But I'm still looking at that variation, I am not certain
whether that will actually add much.

I have tried to get hold of an old betatron tube because it seems hat a few relatively simple
alterations may turn that into a nice test version of this gas discharge reactor.
A problem I have run into here is that they're very hard to obtain. There aren't many around
that allow you to open, refill, and close the glass toroid for exmple, let alone ones
where it seems possible to remove the elecrodes, and if you find those, then it's damn hard to
find a coreless version, and if you even manage to find that, nobody wants to sell them because
you could use them to make Gamma rays and they don't want the public irradiating itself.
So far I have found zero.

Also, I have become intrigued by AbbaRue's discharge tubes. Although he uses Argon and is
using the Correa concept, he does seem to be getting out twice his input in certain tests...
Ok, that's not nearly the output the Vallée theory suggests for some other gases, but still,
it is an interesting concept... And perhaps also doable in a ontinuous circular discharge?
:)

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #893 on: October 13, 2008, 04:27:58 PM »
Now how to fuse lead to get gold  ;D


(wat een lappen tekst, binnenkort ff lezen, =interessant)

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #894 on: October 13, 2008, 04:30:12 PM »
@Koen1

   Sorry I meant Koen1 instead of Ahura. :P    My heatpump idea was to circulate the ionized gas through an input heat exchanger.  Then force the ionized gas temperature to rise by electromagnetic field manipulation that resulted in concentration of the ionized gas and temperature rise in the output heat exchanger.  The gas would loose it's heat and be circulated back into the input exchanger.  This gets rid of the losses in the compressor circuit and the flow is driven by magnetichydrodynamics.  This is way off subject because there is no subatomic play here.  I believe though that very high temperature differentials could be produced this way without resorting to phase change compression and expansion of a gas.

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« Reply #895 on: October 13, 2008, 05:36:01 PM »
@Sparks: indeed, you seem to be talking MHD here, and although it't not necessarily so,
I can see quite some connections between your idea and mine. :)

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but you are suggesting to use oldfashioned heat input
directly through your heat exchanger to power such a setup, aren't you?
So where are you getting the heat? I mean, of course we could use a logfire or something
to get the heat, but pehaps then a simple steam turbine would be easier?
Or were you thinking of using an OU heater device? That might actually work quite well...
... if you have one. ;)

I'n any case, suppose we do use your heat exchanger to excite the gas atoms,
so that we end up with thermions (thermally induced ions), then we'll still need
to make these ions flow in the right direction... But that should be doable.
Actually, the more I think about it, the more I like your idea. ;D

So where I suggested UV to excite the gas to facilitate ionisation and induction of
the circular arc, you are suggesting to use heat to do the same thing... right?
... hmmm... Must see what works better for the gas I had in mind...

:)

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #896 on: October 13, 2008, 07:12:41 PM »
Maybe old crude vacuum diode is enough to get reaction ? I believe that some kind of electron beam generator is required.

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« Reply #897 on: October 14, 2008, 04:39:09 AM »
   Thanks for the reply anyhow. I ask this specific question because I read an article on CME corona mass ejection on the SOHO site that said it overloaded the electricity grid in canada to the point of burnout. Due to the load pressed on the rest of the grid, it almost went with it. Now if  our electric grid is prone to pick up this CME protron flow, what would a coil do? Any takers on this subject, please jump in. I am wondering if a solar tracker with a coil in the nose could see any output and if so, what freq would be optimum. I did read that the protron storms center out at 245Mhz.

And yes, off topic. Guess I should put this in a better place.

thaelin


@Thaelin

    I just have a real primitive knowlege of atomic theory.  Mike and Ahura are quontom leaps ahead of me. :)  It is peculiar that you ask this question because I was spending some time last week on researching the possiblity of concentrating molecular vibrations of an ionized gas in a heat pump circuit.  My thought was to concentrate the gas onto an emitter plate by response of the ionized gas to an external magnetic scource.  Therefore polarizing the normally randomized molecular vibrations and raising the temperature of the plate without the need of a mechanical compressor.  Something like your proton stream would be the final product of the heated gas passing through the interior of the pulsed induction coil.

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« Reply #898 on: October 14, 2008, 04:57:05 PM »
@forest: Well I think you're facing the right direction with your
vacuum diode suggestion, but the thing is that we want more output
than input so we'll need some funky process that does this.
The Vallée Protelf/Synergetic theory is one such possible process,
which uses certain atoms in special magnetic field arrangement and
pulsed with high voltage DC, and in theory (as well as according to
various experiments) that can produce significantly more output
than input. But it needs gases or even solids, and one thing it does not
comply with is vacuum.
The Correa AGDP that AbbaRue suggesed might be another candidate,
but that also uses gas discharges.

So yes, we want a form of particle accellerator tube, but not a vacuum one.
Also, we could inject electron streams into the gas and keep them going
using magnetic fields, but to do so would need at least a cathode to deliver
the electrons... Which would not necessarily be a problem, but it is in the
circular configuration I suggested.
After all, such a circular setup is very similar to a Betatron which does in fact
use a vaccum tube and an injected electron stream... but in Betatrons these electrons
are accellerated to such speeds that they are flung out of the loop and crash into
the anode, resulting in gamma rays. And I do not want to make gamma rays.
Leave that to Bruce Banner. ;) Now imagine we do away with the anode...
That would still leave the cathode, and the elecrons that are flung outward will
still crash into that, and still generate gamma.
So it seems we may not want to do that.
On the other hand, the accelleration used in Betatrons is much greater than
what I had in mind... I just want to cause a circular flow of electrical charge,
which effectively is similar to the arc generated between cathode and anode
in a gas discharge. For that we would need quite some energy flow, but we don't
necessarily need to accellerate particles to half the speed of light, such as happens
in the average Betatron. So, if we can achieve arc discharge without such
accelleration, this of course will keep the energy contained in the moving charge
carriers lower, and any collisions will also not produce such very high energy particles
or radiation.

:)

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« Reply #899 on: October 14, 2008, 05:19:33 PM »
     My idea was to fill a closed loop filled with ionized gas.  One portion of the circuit  is caused to be in contact with 50Farenheit water.  Ideally the infrared wave energy emitted by the water is absorbed by the gas resulting in heat transfer into the gas.  In another zone of the circuit the gas is concentrated by a magnetic field due to the response of the gas magnetic dipole moments to the external field.  This raises the temperature of the gas and heat is now radiated out into the working element.  A compressorless heat pump.  The cooled gas then is caused to return to the water bath.

 

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