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Author Topic: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions  (Read 373273 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #855 on: August 30, 2008, 10:50:35 PM »
Mike Watson It was Uncle fester
Have you heard from Feynman ?
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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #856 on: August 31, 2008, 06:58:22 AM »
Hi all:
   Well I have an idea that this is very close to the same idea that is used on Nadines site. Only there
he is useing a gap inside the torrid. With good results I might add. The only draw back is the radiations
emitted from it. For the most part, they are less than you get normally. But on occasion, there is a large
emission as well. That over time can spell a problem.
   It was explained to me along the lines of transmutation of the carbon rod. When this happens, there is
a liberation of excess electrons as well. That captured by the torrid. I am not in a position to find lead sheets
to make a box around the spark area so dont want to mess with it. Still it shows great promise to me. Just
dont want to rile the locals using solid lead to incase it with. You start saying things like that and you might
wind up with a visit from unwanted folks. ;)
   If I remember the name right, Bruce Perault? was into this tech a while back. Have not heard a peep out of
him in a long time tho. ??

thaelin

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #857 on: August 31, 2008, 08:03:05 AM »

   If I remember the name right, Bruce Perault? was into this tech a while back. Have not heard a peep out of
him in a long time tho. ??

thaelin


If you mean BEP then yes. I'm very much into it. Sorry, my username has nothing to do with Bruce Perault. My expirence with this tech riled folks and seemd to make them shoot off in ridiculous directions so I shut up.
Someone was trying to associate that name with my handle some time back, incorrectly.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #858 on: August 31, 2008, 08:36:17 AM »
   Actually, I never even made the connect. ;D   Besides, you have a totally different writing style about you.
You talk of being into ham radio, he wasn't to my knowledge. Many differences.

   Anyhow, I still remember the looks I got when I started asking around for sheet lead. Decided it was better
to let that one go. I even have the thoriated tungsten rods here some where. I kept burning out the fets with
the coils so quit it. Never picked it back up again. Been working on my E-Bike a lot and a gravity asist gen to boot.
But then thats off topic so better stay on line.

thaelin
 

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #859 on: August 31, 2008, 02:09:04 PM »
I have been silent for a couple of weeks to give me time to build a FET circuit, similar to Naudin's, for use in place of my thyristor set up.
Using a thyristor switched circuit, I was unable to replicate Naudin's reported difference due to magnetic polarisation of the carbon although I did get a perfectly repeatable different effect using a ferrite ring as saturable reactor, with the same carbon polarisation method, so there is an underlying process which is real enough.

My FET circuit uses five parallel connected IRFB3077PbF FETs. These have an very small ON resistance of 3.3 mOhms max and a pulsed drain current of 850 amps giving a 4250 amp capability. Each FET is driven by a MCP1406 MOSfet driver. The capacitors are two parallel connected 0.1 Farad 40 Volt capacitors giving 0.2 F total capacitance. The trigger pulse was either a function generator or a 555 set to 40 msecs pulse width so the FET were ON for this time.

Using the FET circuit, I was suprised to find no difference whatever with magnetic polarisation of the carbon, even with the small ferrite saturable reactor added which worked well with the thyristor circuit.
Saturation of the toroidal current transformer was avoided by cutting a 1mm airgap in it, The inductance of the gapped toroid is 100 mH and the flux decays after a pulse with an L/R time constant depending on the current transformer load resistance R, otherwise the gap has no effect on the behaviour of the current transformer.
So I returned to the thyristor circuit to get a clue as to why the FET circuit produces no effect. Here the capacitance is 0.008 F substantially smaller than that of the FET circuit and I found that running the thyristor circuit at 40 Volts also produces no effect with carbon polarisation, however 60 volts or so did start to show something which suggests the voltage (and most probably the current) is crucial.
This opens up the possibility that the current/voltage is critical in Naudin's result, anyting either side and the effect dissappears? Naudin may have just fiddled about until he got the critical voltage/current etc
All this is on going and I might discover something which alters the above view.
Finally, I still see no Beta radiation and my geiger counter counts 1.2 MEV Beta perfectly. Like I think Uncle Fester said Naudin's readings are probably electrical noise pickup  from the edges of the pulses used.

Mike


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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #860 on: August 31, 2008, 04:26:50 PM »
Is carbon rod heated during these experiments ? Maybe we should ask why carbon rod can generate light when treated with high current ? Is that explained ? What if beta is somehow converted to light and heat and then how is it going ?

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #861 on: August 31, 2008, 07:14:41 PM »

D13..
This is another history.
That is an nuclear battery (1KW) to use in satelitte systems.
that develot from an radioant probe that must be radioate wit an small 300Mhz Transmitter
(only a few watts) so that "nuclear device" delevop approx 1KW.
that is ann english patent from 50 years away...
Pese

I found the following subject on this forum closely related to what we are trying to achieve here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2827.msg122875/topicseen.html#msg122875

The patent they are speaking of can be found here:
http://free-energy-info.co.uk/PatD13.pdf

Download the patent info and perhaps it's principles can be applied to the carbon rod.
Maybe we should be grinding the carbon rods into powder and making a similar unit.

We just need to find the right frequency for carbon.
Unless 300MHz will work for carbon as well.



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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #862 on: August 31, 2008, 07:53:34 PM »
Is carbon rod heated during these experiments ? Maybe we should ask why carbon rod can generate light when treated with high current ? Is that explained ? What if beta is somehow converted to light and heat and then how is it going ?

Yes, I use a touching contact between two carbons or the carbon tungsten which flashes light when the capacitors discharge through it so presumably the temperature is around the usual 3000-4000 degrees. I got nothing from a solid carbon rod which was suggested by the originator of this thread.
C. L Kervran described possible low energy transmutation in biological systems which do not release radioactive particles, if so it is probable that an extra electron current is generated instead of beta particles at the carbon junction.

Mike

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #863 on: September 01, 2008, 12:26:14 PM »
Mike Watson It was Uncle fester
Have you heard from Feynman ?
   Chet

Thanks, no I have not heard from either of these gentlemen, presumably either they have got something working and gone quiet or they have just lost interest.

Mike

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #864 on: September 01, 2008, 12:31:32 PM »
Mike Watson It was Uncle fester
Have you heard from Feynman ?
   Chet

Thanks, no I have not heard from either of these gentlemen, presumably either they have got something working and gone quiet or they have just lost interest.

Mike

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #865 on: September 07, 2008, 01:08:36 AM »
Look here : http://hypertextbook.com/physics/modern/x-ray/

"There are two (THREE?) principal mechanisms by which x-rays are produced. The first mechanism involves the rapid deceleration of a high speed electron as it enters the electrical field of a nucleus. During this process the electron is deflected and emits a photon of x-radiation. This type of x-ray is often referred to as bremsstrahlung or "braking radiation". For a given source of electrons, a continuous spectrum of bremsstrahlung will be produced up to the maximum energy of the electrons."

Is this related ? Seems there is a problem for electron to be "stuck" in nucleus like in Protelf ???

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #866 on: September 08, 2008, 02:01:53 PM »
Further experiments and updates on the Vallée-Naudin effect.

As previously mentioned I was unable to repeat the Naudin version of the Vallée effect using a thyristor switch and also I failed using a FET circuit similar to Naudin’s  operating at 37 volts and up as far as 40 volts with a capacitance of 0.2 F.
Another problem comes up from the paper quoted by Naudin “The Vallée  Synthetic Generator working principle” on page 8 it says that the reaction of carbon capturing a K electron, converting to Boron 12  and its subsequent decay is  20 milliseconds.
Naudin does not mention this delay between excitation and the production of an impulse from the carbon. I have looked on my set up for this delayed response up to 200 msec from the initial capacitor discharge and found nothing. Presumably Naudin’s published pulse waveforms are 20 msec after the capacitive discharge?

Because of the possibility of artefacts arising from the current transformer toroid, I abandoned its use completely and now monitor the current by the voltage developed across a 0.14 ohm resistor in series with the carbon/thoriated-tungsten spark gap. The kink effect I reported in post 817 on 2nd August is now present without any transformer or inductance  or saturable reactor in the circuit. The thyristor switches 0.008 F capacitors through the spark gap at 125 volts. The threshold voltage for the kink effect to appear is about 60 volts probably due to the resistance at the carbon-tungsten interface.  The delay between the pulse edge at the discharge of the 0.008 F capacitors and the start of the kink is about 1 msec. The delay time also depends on the presence of a weak magnetic field concentric with the carbon/tungsten spark interface. It is increased by one magnetic  polarity and reduced by another. Reversing the sign of the voltage on the tungsten/carbon i.e making the carbon negative and tungsten positive reverses the delay effect, so the magnetic field direction which gave minimum delay with carbon positive now produces a maximum delay. The width of the kink pulse is roughly 400 microseconds.

The effect I am getting is nothing to do with circuit inductance but depends on the  carbon/tungsten spark gap. The circuit is very simple, consisting of a capacitor monitor resistor and carbon-thoriated tungsten sparkgap in series.

Mike

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #867 on: September 08, 2008, 09:50:31 PM »
Oh,boy.Seems that I'm going nuts with all these OU theoretical devices.... Some days ago I have a dream   ;D about carbon experiments as proposed in this topic (also Sweet VTA device and many others  ;) )  and this dream clearly explains me what we are missing here.

Look, where is electron flow in this circuit ? Where do you have excess FREE fast electrons required to initiate Carbon->Boron conversion HITTING carbon rod ???
 Aren't we discharging caps from POSITIVE terminal ? Spark gap is the right choice but we need MORE FREE FAST electrons probably.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #868 on: September 09, 2008, 08:49:13 PM »
Look, where is electron flow in this circuit ? Where do you have excess FREE fast electrons required to initiate Carbon->Boron conversion HITTING carbon rod ???
 Aren't we discharging caps from POSITIVE terminal ? Spark gap is the right choice but we need MORE FREE FAST electrons probably.

Yes, I agree we need beta particles. I have concluded that the kinks in the current waveform I get are due to chemical action in the arc between the carbon and most likely atmospheric oxygen and nothing to do with nuclear activity.
Of course this begs the question as to how Naudin managed to get his results, bearing in mind that thorium is an alpha emitter with only a trace of other isotopes present which does not fulfill his requirements at all as I understand it.

Currently my feeling is the fact, which Naudin states, that the thoriated tungsten rod used for all these Vallée experiments had previously been used in the plasma fusion experiments may be significant. Possibly the rod is radioactive in some additional way rather than just an alpha emitter.

Mike

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #869 on: September 09, 2008, 10:38:15 PM »
Seems that we need a beam electrons  generator, something like ...a vacuum tube in Edwin Gray circuit  ::) If you replace an anode in vacuum diode or triode with a piece of carbon you will have excellent conversion device. Looks like that OU effect may be a base for nice new (?) type of vacuum tube ( which I dreamed also  ;D )

Kind of triode ,except: anode is connected to the piece of pure carbon which is surrounded with a copper coil (which is a replacement of the grid). Heater produce a nice beam of electrons probably must be powered by 1A current or more. Anode is connected to negative of the output circuit (which is the acceptor of beta decay current ) , "grid" (copper coil) to the negative of it. There is a flow of small but enough current in that circuit (coil may be even uninsulated, not sure here). Anode connection is frequently broken (freq >> 50hz) by a commutator which connect a discharging HV capacitor to the anode  instead of negative terminal.This produce arc between carbon and heater and electrons impact on carbon.

The effect is large current in output circuit ,perfect sinewave 50hz on top of small DC which was needed to polarize coil and anode.Of course such "vacuum triode" should be compact and highly evacuated.

And yes, I really dreamed about it...

 

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