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Author Topic: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions  (Read 373163 times)

Offline aleks

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #780 on: June 27, 2008, 07:13:16 PM »
Several impulses were tried through the carbon at each voltage setting without a trace of beta emission.
If I'm not mistaken, beta should be emitted as per Protelf theory, and it requires an additional tungsten rod. Juan (inital poster of this thread) used carbon rod alone. So, he could have not even cared about absence of beta emission as long as the thing worked. Without tungsten it's not Protelf anymore I think, it is something else.

I'm also a bit confused about 100 J discharges. There should be frequency given, because discharge is an impulse event. Does it mean that if you run at 50 Hz, each pulse should carry 2 J only?

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #781 on: June 27, 2008, 07:50:05 PM »
ok, first test. 12v 35A. rod gets toasty warm. bumped it up to 24v and popped the fet. ::)

not sure about the scope shot tho, very symmetrical (wife says 'ooooo fish') need to look at the voltage supply, even tho it should be dc the scope says its ac ??? scope set to 1ms 10v / div.
oscillator is about 4ms on 1ms off (building a new top notch oscillator should be ready by monday).

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #782 on: June 27, 2008, 09:41:36 PM »
If I'm not mistaken, beta should be emitted as per Protelf theory, and it requires an additional tungsten rod. Juan (inital poster of this thread) used carbon rod alone. So, he could have not even cared about absence of beta emission as long as the thing worked. Without tungsten it's not Protelf anymore I think, it is something else.

I'm also a bit confused about 100 J discharges. There should be frequency given, because discharge is an impulse event. Does it mean that if you run at 50 Hz, each pulse should carry 2 J only?

It is confusing. The Carbon only method is taken from ?Qui Osera Refuter La Synergetique? (Who dares to refute Synergetics) Synergetics is Vall?e?s theory of course. The article can be found in

http://franckvallee.free.fr/localhost/plain/content/download/137/535/file/Science%20&%20vie.PDF

There are a couple of diagrams from the above article which are similar to the carbon only experiment I am trying.
 Apparently these were the work of  Belgian called E. d? Hooker who produced a synergetic generator. It is still supposed to work on Vall?e?s electron capture/ beta emission, and is presumably the source of Juan?s method.
It is true that Vall?e?s experiment as done by Naudin is different but the electron capture/beta particle connection as the source of the energy is the same. The next stage might be to try a carbon arc and see if that gives beta emission with a magnetic field present.
Regarding the carbon rod experiment, it seems to me that if beta emission is involved, and even if most  of it is absorbed by the surrounding carbon, there should be a beta leakage at least equivalent in strength to that of  potassium isotope K40 in potassium chloride (which is readily detectable in culinary salt substitute) and there was nothing in my tests.
I do not see any merit at present in using AC if we get nothing from DC impulses. I suppose it is possible that AC could produce an effect where DC will not due to some unknown mechanism but we have to start somewhere.

Mike

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #783 on: June 27, 2008, 10:32:09 PM »
I'm going on holidays Sat. so I won't be experimenting.
I hope to get on the forum with the laptop to keep up with news.
But if you don't here from me you know why.
Should be back in the middle of July.
I'm going rock hounding in northern Ontario. about 2 hrs from Ottawa.
I'm taking my radiation detector with me so maybe I can find a good beta source.  :)
But I mainly go up there for the Corundum, hope to find some gem quality crystals.

Till later.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #784 on: June 27, 2008, 10:47:53 PM »
I do not see any merit at present in using AC if we get nothing from DC impulses. I suppose it is possible that AC could produce an effect where DC will not due to some unknown mechanism but we have to start somewhere.

It is quite possible that the AC system will work better (easier and simpler too) with the type of carbon that is found in batteries, i.e. ultra low resistance.  I am setting up to perform an experiment along those lines.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #785 on: June 28, 2008, 01:26:00 AM »
It is quite possible that the AC system will work better (easier and simpler too) with the type of carbon that is found in batteries, i.e. ultra low resistance.  I am setting up to perform an experiment along those lines.

It might work better for another reason: Resonance.

A big inductor in series with the capacitor and the carbon might 'ring down' like a tesla coil primary if you're lucky.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #786 on: June 28, 2008, 03:50:26 PM »
Yeah, and it might work because of radiant energy reflected off
venus and concentrated by a cloud of swamp gas... ;) ;D

... or you could build it and stop speculating.
;)

I have not done the experiment nor do I see much chance
of doing it soon due to my other experiments, so I can't
give any confirmation of the reality of the effect, I merely
like the Vall?e theory and have been wondering if it does
indeed work for years now, ever since I saw Jean Naudins tests.

I wonder what happened to the self-runner based on this...

Anyway, seems to me continuing to speculate on whether or not
there is actually beta without doing actual experiments is quite
useless.
Build it, test it, if you get seemingly OU readings, post it.
Please. :)

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #787 on: June 28, 2008, 11:26:39 PM »
Bill Alek
just has built a great test device for these tests:

http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/VSG/VSG.htm

Hopefully Bill will nail down all the effects
as he is very knowledagble about these measurements.

Regards, Stefan

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #788 on: June 29, 2008, 01:23:31 PM »
To my mind the lack of any beta radiation from a pulsed carbon rod on its own makes this (Juan's)application of the Vallee theory suspect and we are left in theoretical limbo. It might be right for the thoriated tungsten/carbon method involving an arc because nobody has done a beta test on this yet except Naudin. The conventional view seems to be that  there is no way that conduction electrons can influence nuclear processes in a solid. Conduction electrons diffuse like a gas through a conductor, the inside of a conductor being almost field free. Also all the lower energy bands are filled with electrons effectively screening the nucleus. This is not true for an arc of course which is a plasma.
The carbon/thoriated tungsten and its capacitors form a one turn primary of  the toroidal transfomer and as a carbon arc has negative resistance, with any associated capacitance and inductance it will oscillate. This was used in the so called Poulsen arc oscillator 100 years ago, before the invention of the triode vacuum tube, to generate low frequency RF. Clearly, if the arc is gaining energy through the Vallee process the arc will generate RF power at a frequency determined by the inductance and capacitance of the primary circuit without any other input power. The circuit can be made self oscillating and self sustaining.
 
Mike


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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #789 on: July 02, 2008, 07:29:57 PM »
I set up a carbon rod ( as used for welding with the copper coating removed) surrounded by a coil wound along the axis of the carbon all mounted in the centre of a toroidal mains transformer with the secondary stripped off. The primary of the toroid is wound with approximately 1400 turns. The set up is closely similar to J.L.Naudin's except no thoriated tungsten is present or spark gap, only a  solid carbon rod 6mm x 58mm between the contacts.
The load across the toroidal winding is 69 ohms.
The coil, co-axial with the carbon rod develops approximately 600 gauss.
The carbon rod is pulsed with with various energies up to 115 joules at 170 volts with a capacitance of 0.008 F.
The pulse with and without the 600 gauss magnetic field in either direction along along the carbon  is measured and the output pulse across the 69 ohms resistor stored in a storage scope.
No significant difference  was found in the output pulse height and area against the presence or direction of the magnetic field along the carbon rod for any given input energies up to 115 J so far tested.


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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #790 on: July 02, 2008, 11:38:07 PM »
I set up a carbon rod ( as used for welding with the copper coating removed) surrounded by a coil wound along the axis of the carbon all mounted in the centre of a toroidal mains transformer with the secondary stripped off. The primary of the toroid is wound with approximately 1400 turns. The set up is closely similar to J.L.Naudin's except no thoriated tungsten is present or spark gap, only a  solid carbon rod 6mm x 58mm between the contacts.
The load across the toroidal winding is 69 ohms.
The coil, co-axial with the carbon rod develops approximately 600 gauss.
The carbon rod is pulsed with with various energies up to 115 joules at 170 volts with a capacitance of 0.008 F.
The pulse with and without the 600 gauss magnetic field in either direction along along the carbon  is measured and the output pulse across the 69 ohms resistor stored in a storage scope.
No significant difference  was found in the output pulse height and area against the presence or direction of the magnetic field along the carbon rod for any given input energies up to 115 J so far tested.
Mike

What resistance do you get in the carbon rod?  It seems to be the only real difference between the naudin experiment and yours.
The successful experiments I believe were 1/4-1/2" dia. carbon that had a resistance of 1.8 ohm, and that was 99.95% pure.

Thanks for publishing your results to date, mikewatson.  Hope to hear more from you.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #791 on: July 03, 2008, 11:47:05 AM »
The resistance of the carbon rod between the copper contacts is 0.308 ohms at 4.54 amps. It is ordinary welding carbon. I am awaiting some pure graphite rods and will retry the test when they arrive.

J.L. Naudin's is experiment significantly different in that he has a (thoriated)tungsten-carbon pressure contact within the toroid wheras Juan uses a carbon rod only, no tungsten, no pressure contact. I am presently testing the Juan configuration with just carbon.
The first thing that comes to mind is that in J. L. Naudin's case, most of the energy will appear across the carbon-tungsten junction where a short arc will form. He says in the text that it is necessary to get the carbon into the vapour condition for the nuclear reaction to occur. The implication is that all the extra energy is produced in the arc at this point not in the carbon rod.

I will attempt to produce a similar contact arc but between two carbons only, without thoriated tungsten, and see if this produces results similar to Naudin's. The idea behind these experiments is to find out if the presence of thorium in Naudin's experiment is important as Vall?e claimed or not.

Mike

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #792 on: July 03, 2008, 07:39:24 PM »
The resistance of the carbon rod between the copper contacts is 0.308 ohms at 4.54 amps. It is ordinary welding carbon. I am awaiting some pure graphite rods and will retry the test when they arrive.

J.L. Naudin's is experiment significantly different in that he has a (thoriated)tungsten-carbon pressure contact within the toroid wheras Juan uses a carbon rod only, no tungsten, no pressure contact. I am presently testing the Juan configuration with just carbon.
The first thing that comes to mind is that in J. L. Naudin's case, most of the energy will appear across the carbon-tungsten junction where a short arc will form. He says in the text that it is necessary to get the carbon into the vapour condition for the nuclear reaction to occur. The implication is that all the extra energy is produced in the arc at this point not in the carbon rod.
I will attempt to produce a similar contact arc but between two carbons only, without thoriated tungsten, and see if this produces results similar to Naudin's. The idea behind these experiments is to find out if the presence of thorium in Naudin's experiment is important as Vall?e claimed or not.

Mike

I have cut the carbon rod into two pieces. The ends are in light contact within the toroid. 140 volts was discharged through the carbons from 0.008 F capacitors. a 600 gauss magnetic field along the axis of the carbons was initially off, then applied one way and then with the direction reversed. For each condition the capacitors were discharged through the contact between the carbons. There was no difference in the pulse height or area between the three magnetic states.

Mike

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #793 on: July 03, 2008, 07:58:04 PM »
Naudin's v3.1 used a 0.2 ohm carbon rod and had a gain of 3607 watts.
The 4.1 used a 0.041 ohm carbon rod and had a gain of 382 K watts
Thats 382 kilo watts not watts.
I don't know where the 1.8 ohms came from.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #794 on: July 05, 2008, 01:19:01 PM »
Mike,

your attached image has zero kB.

Please try again.

Earl

 

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