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Author Topic: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions  (Read 362682 times)

Offline aleks

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #60 on: May 06, 2008, 05:57:22 PM »
w is the angular momentum.
w is angular frequency - always was, in all books dealing with Fourier transforms. Not to note that plot shows power spectrum which has nothing to do with momentum (note the "w -> inf" mentioned, which is unapplicable to momentum)

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #61 on: May 06, 2008, 06:45:36 PM »
I meant to say angular frequency.  This does not change the fact you have yet to explain how a power spectra at w=0 is equivalent to "DC". Please post detailed reasoning.

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According to classical physics the angular frequency ω associated with a charge revolving in a circular orbit of radius r with a tangential velocity v is ω=v/r. The regular frequency f is related to the angular frequency by the relation f=ω/(2π). This should be the frequency associated with the escape of an electron from the hydrogen atom. Therefore

(h/2π)(v/r) = = m[(αZe?)?/pθ?]Δpθ
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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #62 on: May 06, 2008, 07:11:41 PM »
Well you guys can keep slapping eachother with formulae,
but most often one can quite clearly describe what one means
to say in words, which is clearer to others and may sometimes
help to avoid confusion about formulae...

In any case, the Vall?e theory and Naudin and other peoples experiment
based on it seems pretty clear and not at all ambiguous, so I don't really
see any advantage in switching to Aleks's interpretation which appears
to involve more complicated mathematics to describe what apparently
is effectively the same thing. Or at least, if Aleks is right it is.
If Aleks's approach is equivalent then the Vall?e approach seems less
complicated a way to describe the process,
and I am not entirely convinced it is truly "merely" 'electro-acoustics'
and not the Protelf process, so the "if" is quite big.

My primary interest is in getting a system like this to work.
If the Vall?e theory and Naudin-like replication is sufficient to make
such a "synergetic reactor" work, then by all means let's do so.
After we all have our homes running on Protelf generators,
we can spend as much time as we like arguing what the exact
proper interpretation is, and if maybe Aleks's interpretation could
be a more plausible explanation...
But arguing about it at this point seems a bit like arguing whether
Edisons light bulb emits light due to incandescence or due to
arcing, without actually having a lightbulb to do experiments with...
;)

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #62 on: May 06, 2008, 07:11:41 PM »
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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #63 on: May 06, 2008, 07:22:47 PM »
This has been exactly my point from the start, and is why I have no tolerance for the 'armchair theorists'.  I am done with this ridiculous discussion, it has been simply a colossal waste of time.


For those people who actually build things and do experiments, rather than just sit on their asses in front of their keyboards, I would like to post some sources of equipment:


Juan's original paper, professional translated to English:
http://www.nuenergy.org/pdf/electronically-activated-radioisotopic-carbon-generator.pdf

Toroids:
http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/item/TTX-7812/790950/TOROIDAL_TRANSFORMER,_7.8VAC_6.3A,_25.2VCT_2.2A_.html
http://www.cmi-ferrite.com/Products/Standard%20Cores/Large%20toroids.htm

Thoriated Tungsten:
http://www.diamondground.com/tungmaterials.html

Pure Carbon Rods:
http://www.tedpella.com/carbon_html/carbon1.htm


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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #64 on: May 06, 2008, 07:38:01 PM »
I meant to say angular frequency.  This does not change the fact you have yet to explain how a power spectra at w=0 is equivalent to "DC". Please post detailed reasoning.
http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/other/dft/
Note X(0) is called "DC" (do a search on the page). But I'm surprised I should tell you this. Direct current is a constant value current; while zero-frequency component of Fourier transform is the same as an average of a serie, and represents constant component.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #65 on: May 06, 2008, 07:41:39 PM »

@Feynman, aleks, PC heroes, theorists,

you all know a lot more than I do and are therefore 'close to the sun' and feel the heat, while I and others are soaking up what warmth of knowledge we can from your ramblings. us seekers are very good at ignoring the excess posts that seem to crop up in every thread (maybe not the SMOT though  ;)),
so put up your heat shields and learn to back off and stick to what you want to achieve. now PM each other and get over this.

this thread is for replicating what Juan has achieved. damn the theories (they don't matter if it works) and starting specifying the build.

@Fenyman

good job! please stay here or start a new replication thread.

tak

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #66 on: May 06, 2008, 07:53:01 PM »
Awsome Feynman:
I was hoping someone would translate the Juan article to english.
Also that toroidal transformer with all those outputs might be useful.
Looks like a good price too.
Thanks a lot.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #67 on: May 06, 2008, 07:58:49 PM »
The zero component of a Fourier transform is not functionally equivalent to DC electricity!  Here DC means "average", not "direct current"  Look, if you seriously want to consider this, please take it elsewhere.  This thread is for discussing physical replications of Naudin's and Juan's work. 

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #68 on: May 06, 2008, 07:59:28 PM »

this thread is for replicating what Juan has achieved. damn the theories (they don't matter if it works) and starting specifying the build.
@Fenyman
good job! please stay here or start a new replication thread.
tak

I could not agree more with this statement. Most of us want to build something that works. Apparently Juan has achieved this in a grand scale.. It also appears JLN did as well. Perhaps we can start a Replication only thread that has all the important links for materials and schematics. It would be nice if we could get Juan involved as well.

@Fenyman,
 Nice starting list of materials. I wonder about the Alltronics transformer. It only has 1/4" ID opening. Is it possible to fit the rods and supports in this small an opening ?

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #69 on: May 06, 2008, 08:07:11 PM »
Awsome Faynman:
I was hoping someone would translate the Juan article to english.
Also that toroidal transformer with all those outputs might be useful.
Looks like a good price too.  Thanks a lot.
Good article, but it's even higher non-sense than what I write. I do really suggest you to consult real scientist about this Carbon-Boron reaction.

Again, you are trying to base overunity on theory that CANNOT have overunity by all means, especially such clean overunity as Carbon-Boron back and forth. Energy should be taken somewhere while there is no "vacuum energy" in conventional energy conservation physics to cover higher output than input. Even tokamak fusion actually disintegrates atom to form a new atom (plus release some energy), they do not gain energy from "vacuum". I'm at a real phychological loss with such guys as Feynman.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #70 on: May 06, 2008, 08:08:23 PM »
Those were just a couple of the toroidal transformers we were looking at, I hadn't checked the sizing yet. Some of them may be the wrong shape or size, I just figured I'd post the links to get started on materials suppliers.  There are probably better toroids and better vendors.  I think in seriousness we may need to wind our own toroids because the output amperage can be quite high.  Unclefester was using that allelectronics toroid, but he ran into problems because the wire gauge could not handle the amperage. It may be best to simply get a toroid of an appropriate size and wind it yourself with wire of a sufficient gauge.   

There is alot of information that is missing that will need to be learned by experiments, such as how the output voltage is affected by the number of windings, how the Boron-12 pulse shape is affected by the input voltage, etc.  There are alot of variables to consider, and I think alot of this will only be sorted out by experiments.




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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #71 on: May 06, 2008, 08:12:02 PM »
Here DC means "average", not "direct current"
No, wrong. DC is a universal term now. Any guy dealing with Fourier transforms and spectrum power plots assumes w=0 to be DC, because Fourier is often used to analyze time series, e.g. in DSP.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #72 on: May 06, 2008, 08:34:20 PM »
@aleks
As I've said, I am tired of discussing this, as it is now at a level of semantics.  If you wish to continue, please pm me, so we do not clutter up the thread any more than we already have. 

@all

Let's keep discussion relevant to the topic, as this thread was started by Juan.  A good starting point would be to continue expanding the list of materials suppliers for people interested in replicating these circuits. I will suggest one path forward may be IGBTs, which are usually available on E-bay for a good discount.

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=IGBT&category0=

IGBTs are basically high-amperage transistors which can be used to discharge large amounts of current simply by the presence of a drive signal at the Gate.  Some of these IGBTs support up to 1600V at 300A.  I do not think this amount of energy will be required to get a self-powering device, but it may be helpful to have some extra capacity.  IGBTs at this voltage/amperage are available for less than $4 apiece.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #73 on: May 06, 2008, 09:07:12 PM »
@all

Let's keep discussion relevant to the topic, as this thread was started by Juan.  A good starting point would be to continue expanding the list of materials suppliers for people interested in replicating these circuits. I will suggest one path forward may be IGBTs, which are usually available on E-bay for a good discount.

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=IGBT&category0=

IGBTs are basically high-amperage transistors which can be used to discharge large amounts of current simply by the presence of a drive signal at the Gate.  Some of these IGBTs support up to 1600V at 300A.  I do not think this amount of energy will be required to get a self-powering device, but it may be helpful to have some extra capacity.  IGBTs at this voltage/amperage are available for less than $4 apiece.

Another good call. I was looking at Reply # 22 of this thread that has a picture (supposedly) of Juan's device. His transformers do not look 'hand wound'. Look like 'off the shelf' items. They also look like they have about 1/4 inch diameter opening. The wiring size seems pretty small. A lot like the Alltronics ones. I am wondering if perhaps he is using smaller 'off the shelf' transformers and cascading them. Seems a reasonable solution instead of hand winding a large one.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #74 on: May 07, 2008, 04:50:36 AM »
The picture you are talking about is one I received of Juan's 60kW device.  I think you are referring to the collector toroids, if you mean the ten copper wound donut shaped objects.  If this is what you mean I think they only have a primary winding, no secondary.  (just one continuous piece of wire)

I thought they were custom hand-wound or machine-wound.  Looking back at the picture, it's also possible they are off-the-shelf.  I have not looked for them yet, but maybe we should start seeing if we can find an off-the-shelf part!  That would save alot of trouble.   I think you are right in saying the toroid windings to not appear very heavy, but it's hard to tell.   I can't even determine for sure whether they are enameled or insulated.   Also , it's possible the visible copper are just the "outer windings" of a thicker gauge inner collector. So all this is sort of up in the air I think, probably until we resolve some questions with experiments. I agree that it's doubtful all ten toroids were hand-wound, but it's possible they were custom fabricated using a winding machine.

 

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