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Author Topic: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions  (Read 328951 times)

Offline aleks

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2008, 09:25:45 PM »
So far, Dr. Vall?e's theory is consistent with the experiments, and has been able to make accurate predictions.
What kind of predictions? Prediction that it produces overunity energy? I do not really see how spark gap technologies can be 'predicted' - they are extremely hard to control, measure and plan. I'm not calling DC acoustic waves a theory for the same reason. It is a working hypothesis. Theory should not only give qualitative results (i.e. presence of beta radiation, some traces of transmutation, overunity, etc), but they should give quantitative estimation, required modes of operation - both electrical and mechanical (carbon rod quality, etc). And what the hell is 8kW per gram? Is carbon consumed or what?

Note the structure of carbon rods:
(http://www.tedpella.com/carbon_html/carbon.jpg)
Those crystals should slap each other real hard when electric pulse goes through them.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2008, 02:30:02 AM »
Seriously man, go do your homework!  I can't believe the comments you are making without even bothering to read the research.

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What kind of predictions?
The very prediction you are talking about!  For instance, the 8kW per gram is a QUANTITATIVE PREDICTION that comes from an estimation done by Lacheze-Murel, translated by Naudin.  The carbon is not consumed because the half life of the Boron-12 isotope is 20ms, which quickly decays back into regular Carbon after releasing beta electrons.

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In the case of carbon, for example , with a coefficient of effectiveness of 10^-5, (1 atom out of every 100,000 entering into reaction), and a total output of 20%, the reconstitution of carbon from Boron-12 would provide 8kW per gram of carbon used.
-JLN

http://jlnlabs.online.fr/vsg/synergetic.htm

Are you missing the entire point here? For several hundred dollars in parts, we can BUILD devices which produce massive amounts of output energy relative to the input.   I don't see why you still are sitting here skeptically armchair theorizing.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2008, 04:26:00 AM »
Device #1 brings some thoughts to my mind as well.
The cold fusion reactors using tungsten in baking soda for one.
I don't think anyone tried placing a toroidal coil around the reaction chamber yet.
Also thought of the Correas'  Abnormal discharge tube filled with argon.
I don't think they placed a toroidal coil around the argon tubes either.

This device is easy to build using the carbon core from carbon flashlight batteries.
The tungsten rods are available at the local welding supply store.
The hard part is winding the toroidal coils.
 
But I was wondering why the tungsten rod is needed, couldn't you just use 2 carbon rods?
« Last Edit: May 05, 2008, 04:46:38 AM by AbbaRue »

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #33 on: May 05, 2008, 04:50:03 AM »
It could be that simple eh?

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #34 on: May 05, 2008, 05:19:31 AM »
Interesting idea using gases and a B-field.. I remember reading an article years ago about a nobel gas engine and this discussion made my mind click. I did a Google search and found this :
The Mystery and Legacy of Joseph Papp's Noble Gas Engine
http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue51/papp.html

Also the Dr. Stiffler circuit uses a neon bulb..
Hummmm... Makes you wonder... Maybe using a gas is possible..

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #35 on: May 05, 2008, 08:55:31 AM »
The carbon is not consumed because the half life of the Boron-12 isotope is 20ms, which quickly decays back into regular Carbon after releasing beta electrons.
So, is carbon consumed or not? The problem with this theory is that it is based on system which is based on conservation of energy. Those guys should not talk about energy from the vacuum, because they will be unable to use conventional physics then. If they do use it, they are wrong and their theory is shaky.

You still do not get the point - it is impossible to base overunity on conventional physics. Conventional physics is built to protect conservation of energy. Any of its entities form a system which can hardly be used to produce constant surplus energy on small scale. I think it's you who does not understand this and keeps believing you can use conventional theory. You know - conventional physicists have billion of dollars in budgets, and they continue to build expensive tokamaks and nuclear power stations instead of investing tiny bit of money into this 'spark gap' research. This is grossly disproportional. At least, there is some problem in this situation available.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #36 on: May 05, 2008, 08:58:28 AM »
Hummmm... Makes you wonder... Maybe using a gas is possible..
Of course, it is possible (it's a plain spark gap which is even in air produces a bit of additional energy). The only question is how it is much efficient in comparison to solid micro powder substances?

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #37 on: May 05, 2008, 09:07:05 AM »

But I was wondering why the tungsten rod is needed, couldn't you just use 2 carbon rods?
I've made a suggestion - you can use even a single carbon rod enclosed in plastic with copper contacts on both ends.

The "collector" winding can be wound right on this plastic enclosure. Bias field windings can be placed nearby.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #38 on: May 05, 2008, 11:10:51 AM »
@aleks: Why do you focus on the carbon? It was correctly pointed out, and indeed even
stated in Vall?e's papers, that carbon is one of the lowest energy content materials for
this process. Other materials such as nitrogen, hydrogen, oxygen, lithium  for example,
have a much higher energy output in the same process.
The papers also state, as Naudin also pointed out, that the Protelf process works best
(or only?) when the atoms undergoing the "fusion" are in a gaseous state.
That means not in a rod. Naudin says that's why he uses a spark gap: the
electric field can pull some atoms off the rod just before the discharge, thus providing
the gaseous atoms needed.
A gas is very different from a micro powder, which is what you seem to be talking about...
Although a micro powder again is something different from a carbon rod again...

So why are you so focused on a carbon rod?
And did you really think a simple carbon rod pulsed with hV discharges is not one of the
first things people would consider after reading Naudins positive test results?

Seems to me the carbon rod experiments were the proof of concept replication, and
if we want to build on that we might as well opt for materials with a higher energy yield.
Some of the materials that quality occur in gaseous state at room temperature already,
so you'd only have to zap them with hV in the appropriate B field...
If Vall?e's theory holds, such discharges through a suitable gas mixture would not
just yield a little biut, but actually quite a significant amount of energy.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #39 on: May 05, 2008, 11:35:32 AM »
So why are you so focused on a carbon rod?
I'm not focused on it. It's all about HV discharge (electrons hitting atoms thus forming an initial non-equilibrium). Type of material used is absolutely irrelevant. As was shown by SM TPU and probably other devices (like Joule thief) this device can even work without much matter interaction - just by accelerating EM fields caused from discharge in copper wire. What I'm trying to do is to find (at least theoretically) the best and most controllable system.

Carbon rod is close to micro powder due to its polycrystalline lattice - of course, it depends on the molecular structure of carbon rod.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #40 on: May 05, 2008, 12:27:17 PM »
well that's entirely the point, isn't it?
You say it has nothing to do with the proton-electron fusion process
as described by Vall?e, and as such has nothing to do with subatomic
interactions inside the B field,
whereas the device discussed in this thread is entirely based on that
theory and appears to confirm the subatomic interaction process.

That in contrast to the TPU which is still being debated, and shrouded in
quite some mystery; there's lots of people still discussing what might be
the processes involved and what might be the actual exact circuit, etc...

I'm not saying the proceses involved may not be similar in a way,
but I am saying that I think you are too quick to dismiss the Protelf
reaction theory in favour of a TPU-style interpretation.
If the theory behind the TPU is so clear, then why do so many people
have trouble replicating a working TPU?
And if the material is really irrelevant as you say, then it should be
easy to obtain more output by simply placing any conductor in a
B field and pulsing it with hV... shouldn't it? So then a simple setup
with a B field coil around a piece of copper wire should suffice?

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #41 on: May 05, 2008, 12:57:43 PM »
whereas the device discussed in this thread is entirely based on that
theory and appears to confirm the subatomic interaction process.
Take a note: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremsstrahlung
This is main-stream and partially describes what happens on HV discharge.

And if the material is really irrelevant as you say, then it should be
easy to obtain more output by simply placing any conductor in a
B field and pulsing it with hV... shouldn't it? So then a simple setup
with a B field coil around a piece of copper wire should suffice?
Yep, should be enough (from what I understand), however output will be minuscule, but still a bit more than your energy input. You have to create a long winding so that "charge travel path" within B-field is long. Carbon rod is good for exactly the reason of increasing output: its surface is large (its important due to skin effect). Another hypothesized requirement is "powdered" structure: hence polycrystalline structure is preferred. It's also possible that polycrystalline structure decreases skin effect and the HV pulse interacts with carbon rod to its fullest potential (goes deep into carbon rod).

It should be noted that it is no wonder that most stably working overunity devices created so far are battery chargers, because any surplus energy is immediately fed back into battery. Creating a battery-less device is a complex affair since if you fail to tap surplus energy it will be lost in radiation, and you'll be left with less than overunity device. Probably that's why most SM TPU replication attempts failed.
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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #42 on: May 05, 2008, 05:55:34 PM »
I honestly believe that the second design proposed at the start of the topic/thread (tried?) maybe is the TPU (at least in effect). Using a magnetic field to bias the core material to just above .5T (small neo or ceramic magnet), small torrid coil for a colpitts or blocking type oscillator and some stranded copper wire to collect the Beta particles. You could feed back part of the output to self power. I figure the components used and the torrid would be just about right for a 21Mhz osc, no?

I would think this is at least worth checking on. I plan on doing so as soon as I have the time, work has been crazy fror the past several months so no time to play, hopefully in the next few weeks I will be able to.

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #43 on: May 05, 2008, 08:51:02 PM »
When I first read about device #2, that was one of the first things I thought about.
That many of these magnetic devices like badini motor and TPU
may be drawing there energy from the iron core.

Device #1:
I figured the carbon and tungsten rods were chosen because of there high melting points.
They are the 2 highest mp elements, and they are easy to work with and readily available.
I read the rod has to be encased in a magnetic field, this would be difficult to do with some other elements.
Also toxic chemical release is a major consideration. 
Lower mp elements may vaporize under these high amperage conditions releasing toxic gases.
Also other low mp elements may be turned to liquid and run out of the unit.
These are all things to consider when chosing the materials.
Thus carbon and tungsten are very good choices 
But the most important reason for using them is because a working 60kw unit has already been built.
If we all build a simular unit we have solved our own power needs. 
I would be very happy if I just had a unit that could run heaters to heat my home next winter.
To run heaters needs very little technology, just dump the output into large resistors. No conversion needed.
I read in another post about wind generators that you can build your own heating coils using stainless steal wire.
A lot cheaper then buying baseboard heaters.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2008, 09:25:34 PM by AbbaRue »

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Re: Single circuits generate nuclear reactions
« Reply #44 on: May 05, 2008, 09:11:23 PM »
@Feynman
   "    I have talked to Juan and he said the 21Mhz NMR oscillation is possible, but he is not actively persuing it.
He has built self-powering units using the standard technique (discharge energy into B-field biased carbon/tungsten, collect beta electrons with toroid).  His devices do not appear to have many capacitors, so I think he must be using one unit to trigger the pulse in another unit and vice versa.
Here is a picture of his 60kW carbon-fusion device  "

Do you have more info on Juan's 60kw unit. 
Like what type of output is he getting, DC or AC?
How much voltage, and what does he do with it, does he run it through an inverter?
I think he must have an external circuit that conditions the output for home use.

Of all the devices on this forum, this one has sparked a strong interest by me.
I read about Naudin's test unit a few years ago, but it didn't spark an interest at the time.
I didn't quit understand the concept at the time. 
And because he didn't pursue it to building a full power source I thought he found problems with it.



 

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