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Author Topic: Introducing the flowerpot effect (rotary shaft magnet spinning out of control)  (Read 10819 times)

Offline AquariuZ

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Was looking into doing some work with induction and stumbled on this recent video by a tinkerer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGxdM2JCLrE&

He is afraid (justly so) about the 2inch spinning magnet flying off the flowerpot and stops it near 6000rpms.

Just thought I put this out here as is. He titled it "maybe Newman like motor" but I do not see anything related to rapid polarity changes.

I would appreciate it if you veterans could have a look and give your thoughts on the observed effect please.

AZ

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First questions come to mind

- Anyone recognize what type of magnet assembly this is?
- Standard copper wire coil - what type?
- Anybody recognize the man in the video?
- Can we contact him?

Invite him on the forum

Thanks

AZ

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Grabbed the video just in case it disappears. I also left a message on his channel.

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I found him - his name is Tom and he already has an account here...

magnetman12003
http://www.overunity.com/profile/magnetman12003.1355/

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Tom has been here before - I just spent some time reading his posts and seeing other videos.

So nothing special about this 2inch spinning Neo held over a coil connected to a bendini circuit (appearantly)?

Something pulling 0.9 watts making a magnet accelerate like that? Wonder what you can generate if you put a load on the shaft.

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Hi All,
I am magnetman12003 and POPSCAN1.
I invite you to look at all links below where I show how to construct it and I have included the parts list.
I open sourced the setup and its  published world wide now." PLEASE JOIN THE FORUM" the publisher setup for me. A lot of info is there also.  ITS ALL FREE. I dont want this technology to vanish as things that are to good often do.  The cats out of the bag!
Google  click:     
Sat-gen Ferko Satellite Generator Magnetic power
os Tom Ferko's Satellite Generator- PESWiki
Honking on out--Fantastic speed
Scroll down the page untill you see the above
Tom Ferko
 

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This is essentially a one magnet no bearing bedini motor, but with a shaft and bearing, using a diametrically magnetized tube magnet.  This works with the sphere magnets as well, and I have generally considered this to be a tuning factor of these types of devices.  This could effect the inductance of the coils, and the voltage induced along the trigger coil, which would in turn effect timing.  I like to envision it, however, as though it were allowing the overlapping of the interacting fields to behave like interlaced gears... get the positioning right, and its like the invisible gears line up correctly.  I show and describe the effect in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGaYH9bKczk

Cheers
Twinbeard

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Offline magnetman12003

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Tom has been here before - I just spent some time reading his posts and seeing other videos.

So nothing special about this 2inch spinning Neo held over a coil connected to a bendini circuit (appearantly)?

Something pulling 0.9 watts making a magnet accelerate like that? Wonder what you can generate if you put a load on the shaft.
   I  already put a 1 pound load on the shaft and that spun with no problems.  A 16 inch diameter iron wheel was spun also. See the lighted  scooter wheels video.  I wish I had a way to measure shaft torque but I an sure someone that has access to a laboratory can replicate this and check torque.

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Hi All,
I am magnetman12003 and POPSCAN1.
I invite you to look at all links below where I show how to construct it and I have included the parts list.
I open sourced the setup and its  published world wide now." PLEASE JOIN THE FORUM" the publisher setup for me. A lot of info is there also.  ITS ALL FREE. I dont want this technology to vanish as things that are to good often do.  The cats out of the bag!
Google  click:     
Sat-gen Ferko Satellite Generator Magnetic power
os Tom Ferko's Satellite Generator- PESWiki
Honking on out--Fantastic speed
Scroll down the page untill you see the above
Tom Ferko




Hi, nice work ..


I was looking at the site: http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Tom_Ferko%27s_Satellite_Generator


I found out that the magnet cost around 175$ for 1 unit. I wanted to replicate it but, its kinda of out of my R&D budget.


Would it be possible to repro. your setup using low cost parts?


Also another thing to always keep in mind,  Your actually using 3.2W to power 4 leds and rotate a "not under load" Magnet!   

It would be nice to correlate the speed vs input Watt usage and make a graph out of this.








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Offline AquariuZ

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Hi All,
I am magnetman12003 and POPSCAN1.
I invite you to look at all links below where I show how to construct it and I have included the parts list.
I open sourced the setup and its  published world wide now." PLEASE JOIN THE FORUM" the publisher setup for me. A lot of info is there also.  ITS ALL FREE. I dont want this technology to vanish as things that are to good often do.  The cats out of the bag!
Google  click:     
Sat-gen Ferko Satellite Generator Magnetic power
os Tom Ferko's Satellite Generator- PESWiki
Honking on out--Fantastic speed
Scroll down the page untill you see the above
Tom Ferko

Hello Tom!

I will check out your info right now - thanks so much for posting.

AZ

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This is essentially a one magnet no bearing bedini motor, but with a shaft and bearing, using a diametrically magnetized tube magnet.  This works with the sphere magnets as well, and I have generally considered this to be a tuning factor of these types of devices.  This could effect the inductance of the coils, and the voltage induced along the trigger coil, which would in turn effect timing.  I like to envision it, however, as though it were allowing the overlapping of the interacting fields to behave like interlaced gears... get the positioning right, and its like the invisible gears line up correctly.  I show and describe the effect in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGaYH9bKczk

Cheers
Twinbeard

Very interesting. I really like the gearing (magnetic coupling). Also as Tom describes it.

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Offline AquariuZ

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   I  already put a 1 pound load on the shaft and that spun with no problems.  A 16 inch diameter iron wheel was spun also. See the lighted  scooter wheels video.  I wish I had a way to measure shaft torque but I an sure someone that has access to a laboratory can replicate this and check torque.

What I really like to understand is why the magnet takes off like that when raised higher above the coil as opposed to sitting directly on top?

Is it because of stronger LENZ-effect when the magnet is too close to the coil?

It would be nice to try and find the optimal distance and then try to couple your flywheel to the magnet.

I will go through your links:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sat-gen/
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Tom_Ferko%27s_Satellite_Generator

Thank you for your great work!

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Hi, nice work ..


I was looking at the site: http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Tom_Ferko%27s_Satellite_Generator


I found out that the magnet cost around 175$ for 1 unit. I wanted to replicate it but, its kinda of out of my R&D budget.


Would it be possible to repro. your setup using low cost parts?


Also another thing to always keep in mind,  Your actually using 3.2W to power 4 leds and rotate a "not under load" Magnet!   

It would be nice to correlate the speed vs input Watt usage and make a graph out of this.

Same here...  :(

But there is hope. If have so many Neos lying around here I think I can create a stacked assembly around an axle to at least try to replicate the acceleration. So I assume polarization is through the side away from the axis (diametrical).

Offline AquariuZ

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This is essentially a one magnet no bearing bedini motor, but with a shaft and bearing, using a diametrically magnetized tube magnet.  This works with the sphere magnets as well, and I have generally considered this to be a tuning factor of these types of devices.  This could effect the inductance of the coils, and the voltage induced along the trigger coil, which would in turn effect timing.  I like to envision it, however, as though it were allowing the overlapping of the interacting fields to behave like interlaced gears... get the positioning right, and its like the invisible gears line up correctly.  I show and describe the effect in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGaYH9bKczk

Cheers
Twinbeard

Ah yes - diametrical - so not through the axis. thanks Twinbeard

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I show and describe the effect in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGaYH9bKczk

Cheers
Twinbeard

Wow that sphere rotor really stepped up frequency once you lifted the tube out.

Did you try and wire a pickup generator coil around the assembly as you mentioned in the end of the video?

 

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