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Author Topic: Joule Ringer V4 and practical applications  (Read 35762 times)

Offline scratchrobot

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Re: Joule Ringer V4 and practical applications
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2012, 08:53:44 PM »

Very good video. Would you be able to repeat it but this time spin the coil 180 so we can see if the effect is still there?


Fausto.

Yes when i turn the coil it makes no difference, here is the circuit i used: http://www.voltage.g6.cz/bezdratovy-prenos-energie/

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« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2012, 10:58:54 PM »
@Scratch: I get similar effects with my larger wireless power systems, when multiple receivers are used. It's weird to see much more light output without a corresponding increase in transmitter current...
Thanks--keep up the good work. Are you also tuning the system with a small cap across your receiver coils? I can't quite tell from the vid.

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Re: Joule Ringer V4 and practical applications
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2012, 12:57:46 AM »
Made another video, when i put on the first coil amp draw drops but with second coil it goes up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x71gl9YHoIs


Thanks for the nice video answer.

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Re: Joule Ringer V4 and practical applications
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2012, 06:08:50 AM »
Since so many threads are so full of data I will post my work here. No body is reading anyway which will keep this little space here clean.


This is a photo of the collector of the 2N3055 of the Joule Ringer Cross-Over of Laserhaker replication I have done on this video: http://youtu.be/mzdHQCwhfQU


The voltage input is 10.34v from 8 x 1.5v rechargeble batteries. Current is around 10ma or less. Observe that the picture is in DC mode and the little red triangle on the bottom left is the zero volts line.


Also note the 60hz or so frequency and the spikes on the bottom half cycle. Interesting about this picture is that it is a sine wave, almost perfect from a DC source and it is shorting and spiking perfectly on the middle (highest point) of the cycle. This is what is running the load on the secondary. The spikes.


The rest is just returning to the battery, I think. I am measuring electronically this system now like I do with my crystal cells.


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Re: Joule Ringer V4 and practical applications
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2012, 09:13:32 AM »
It was easy to use standard transformers with early versions, 3 and 2. With this one, the transformer is an important key, if not THE most important.

With a lot of thinking I was able to reduce the amps to 20mA with a 7.5 from the battery. Tested a lot of places to return to the plus rail. Still have more work to do and maybe find a better transformer, but it stay from 7.54 - 7.55 for hours driving an 90v NE-2 neon bulb.

If someone is trying to run the CO with standard transformers, it is a very hard work - or much luck.

I also tried the totoalas suggestion of using the + of the battery into the circuit, the - goes to the earth ground and the neutral of the grid going to the - of the cap. It does reduce the amps from the battery, at least with the transformer I am using, but this was just a test.

Lowest voltage - .8v max voltage tested 12v. Ofc, with .8v only leds with very low light.

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Re: Joule Ringer V4 and practical applications
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2012, 02:45:56 PM »
It might be off topic:

I observed that a very low power Joule Thief type circuit

- connected to ground
- or connected to only one pole of a bigger battery
- or just placed near a device which is itself connected to the mains
- or which is touched by hand
- or all this things in combinations

picks up power from the 220V 50 Hz mains.

When investigating this strange behaviour I came up with the attached circuit (see drawing, DSO trace and photos) which allowed me to measure the power picked up from the mains. It is about 70 µA at at least 100 Volt in my set up (which is not a Joule Thief, just an Avramenko Plug).

With a longer cable the effect becomes of course more pronounced.

When doing these "ghost light experiments" with a Joule Thief type circuit try to find the frequency of your mains (or a harmonic) by measuring at the right places in the circuit (e.g. over the LED).

When running a longer wire through your house to a ground connection or to a big metal object one picks up power from the mains by inductive coupling or reactance (also through your body as a ground).

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Joule Ringer V4 and practical applications
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2012, 03:23:32 PM »
@Conrad: not OT at all I think. You are clearly illustrating the power available in the capacitatively-coupled "groundloop" caused by the mains EM field, which fluctuates around the Earth ground potential at 50Hz (or 60 for me) at the p-p value of your line voltage, and the true Earth ground. I think. Scoping the Earth ground directly with the scope probe, as  'signal' itself, with the scope probe's reference at the chassis ground (or mains neutral)  can also be revealing.
Thanks for sharing, it will make a nice addition to my arsenal of unexpected -- but expected -- effects.

So far, though, in my circuits, I think that this energy isn't actually powering the light, but "only" providing the "tickle" that allows the low-voltage transistor to oscillate. This lets the stored energy in the reservoir cap be boosted in voltage by the JT oscillation in the inductor,  and thus power the light itself. I think.

It's too bad we can't color the electrons Red, Blue, Green, etc. Then we could sort out where each contribution is coming from and where it goes. If we could see them, that is. If they even exist at all ....

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Re: Joule Ringer V4 and practical applications
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2012, 04:24:35 PM »
@Conrad:

So far, though, in my circuits, I think that this energy isn't actually powering the light, but "only" providing the "tickle" that allows the low-voltage transistor to oscillate. This lets the stored energy in the reservoir cap be boosted in voltage by the JT oscillation in the inductor,  and thus power the light itself. I think.


@TinselKoala: Yes, the term "tickle" describes it nicely.

The "tickle" probably feeds just enough current and Voltage into the base of the transistor to make the transistor switch through.

If one wants more than a "tickle" one has to create a rather high capacitive coupling with the mains (e.g. a long cable or placement near a 220V device preferably switched on).

I could produce spikes of LED brightness in a very low power Joule Thief by placing the circuit near my 220 V  table light and switching the table light on and off. The spark in the switch caused a little power being induced into the Joule Thief circuit (in addition to the run down battery driving the Joule Thief).

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Joule Ringer V4 and practical applications
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2012, 06:04:27 PM »
@Conrad: I get the same triggering effect if I put my 4x NE-2 JT operating near the LS circuit and move it around or switch it on and off.



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Re: Joule Ringer V4 and practical applications
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Re: Joule Ringer V4 and practical applications
« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2012, 03:22:20 AM »
I have a question about the Joule Ringer Crossover device that might be critical.  There appears to be a magnet connected to the inductor.  If so, this setup might be similar to the Maccanti patent (WO 9840960).  This patent claims overunity from applying fast high voltage spikes to a coil surrounding a permanent magnet.
 
I've been trying to find someone who has replicated the Maccanti device. Perhaps this is it.

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Re: Joule Ringer V4 and practical applications
« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2012, 11:49:40 AM »
I have a question about the Joule Ringer Crossover device that might be critical.  There appears to be a magnet connected to the inductor.  If so, this setup might be similar to the Maccanti patent (WO 9840960).  This patent claims overunity from applying fast high voltage spikes to a coil surrounding a permanent magnet.
 
I've been trying to find someone who has replicated the Maccanti device. Perhaps this is it.

@Eightman: the idea in WO9840960 is very interesting, I probably try it once I get the Arduino Due, which I am waiting for since two weeks. But I am a slow builder and most often I give up projects unfinished because something else catches my attention.

May be it is no news for you, at http://worldwide.espacenet.com/numberSearch?locale=en_EP you can look up all patents.

In the search report for WO9840960 one finds WO9637944, which writes about a new effect when pulsing a magnet with spikes, but it has to happen near absolute zero (towards the end of the description the technology is discussed in more detail).

So, I suspect, that nothing extraordinary will happen in a device according to WO9840960 at room temperature. But it is interesting nevertheless. Magnets are such mysterious things.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Joule Ringer V4 and practical applications
« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2012, 02:03:23 PM »
@Eightman: the idea in WO9840960 is very interesting, I probably try it once I get the Arduino Due, which I am waiting for since two weeks. But I am a slow builder and most often I give up projects unfinished because something else catches my attention.

May be it is no news for you, at http://worldwide.espacenet.com/numberSearch?locale=en_EP you can look up all patents.

In the search report for WO9840960 one finds WO9637944, which writes about a new effect when pulsing a magnet with spikes, but it has to happen near absolute zero (towards the end of the description the technology is discussed in more detail).

So, I suspect, that nothing extraordinary will happen in a device according to WO9840960 at room temperature. But it is interesting nevertheless. Magnets are such mysterious things.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Joule Ringer V4 and practical applications
« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2012, 11:46:07 PM »
I can only add that this supposed free energy device is different from the MEG idea in which a magnetic field is thwacked back and forth in a core ( which I think probably generates measurement errors from apparent power).


I will try to see if there is any prior art or preceding patents.

 

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