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Author Topic: Donald Smith Device self looping no cap no batteries bright Lights !  (Read 49465 times)

gadgetmall

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Donald Smith Device self looping no cap no batteries bright Lights !
« on: November 10, 2012, 12:22:34 AM »
Just a heads up but there is one working with no battery and no cap  no input after it starts / It is plugged in to itself and lights a three led bulb and the voltage rises.Meter is indicating about 2 volts and rising at this point. you can hook it up to a cap and it will drop volts then disconnect and it will get brighter and brighter and increase. it is  a real looper  from a trusted researcher that has worked on it for months and months . . In a few days an early Christmas present from one of the inventors  replicators so everyone can build one at last . free energy No Joke . Being repicated before any changes are made or it is touched in any way . adnd drawn out for all to share.  .
I don;t want to spoil it with any other information today but Is there and it looks easy to replicate . . Things you will need are three big torroids perm over 4000 and a square wave oscillator / signal gen . http://www.rmcybernetics.com/projects/DIY_Devices/homemade_signal_generator2.htm

Also the free ones posted on Jule thief
(Ts-3001) demo boards might work as a 1 khz square wave PWM is needed for part of the start driver.

and a circuit like this one http://www.rmcybernetics.com/projects/DIY_Devices/homemade_ignition_coil_driver.htm

minus the Ign. coil . It uses the Bi-tri toroidal setup ). more coming !! Please Stand By for OU in the flesh.
you can get the torroids from here Digikey part number 495-3845-ND and grab 3 for one unit or use your own with similar specs.

Also the PWM i will use on a replication is free the Ts3001 Pwm demo board from touchstone is a perfect sig gen for 1khz half duty square wave ...here for free is you don't build the one posted
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gadgetmall

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Re: Donald Smith Device self looping no cap no batteries bright Lights !
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2012, 02:01:04 AM »
here is the unfinished representation and not the exact circuit yet but close to it . WE ARE WAITING FOR HIM TO TRACE IT BEFORE HE MOVES OR DISCONNECTS  ANYTHING AS IT IS WORKING AND WE URGE THE INVENTER TO NOT MESS WITH IT UNTIL HE DRAWS IT OUT EXACTLY INCLUDING HOOK UP WIRE LENGTH AND FREQUENCYS IS RESONATES AT...AND REPLICATES  A SECOND ONE AGAIN. THE OUTPUTS ARE NOT DRAWN YET  FOR THE LOOP AFTER IT IS STARTED.

We wil have the exact Specs on the Mheneries and resistance of the windings soon and the loop connections . the frequency also has been read and all those details are being given just as soon as the inventor writes them down ,maybe tonight or tomorrow . Very tired. and this is real MIB stuff so Please wait and the copy and share the heck out of it as quick as possible .

Thanks

Gadget
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e2matrix

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Re: Donald Smith Device self looping no cap no batteries bright Lights !
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2012, 02:12:52 AM »
hey gadgetmall,  Very cool!   I've been following that over on the other forum and you could tell just from the excitement in his voice in the video he is beside himself with it all.  No faking going on there.   One question I had though since I hadn't really looked close at this until the last 2 days is whether he's running the signal generator from the circuit power or does it have it's own power.  The signal gen I've got can put out a fair amount of power and with the right circuit I'm sure it can light an LED bulb or three.  If he can power a small signal gen circuit from the power in this circuit (or if that's what he's doing) then I'm sure he's got one of the Holy Grail certificates coming his way ;)  but it just occurred to me after seeing the latest circuit verpies posted that the signal gen might be providing some of the power in this.   What do you think (or know on this)? 
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Re: Donald Smith Device self looping no cap no batteries bright Lights !
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2012, 02:56:53 AM »

HI!! good to see you.
he said it is plugged in itself looping . and with this TS3001 Pwm i posted it will run from 1 volt 1ua . you can snag that off one loop of a toroid or an avameco plug (i know the spelling is off). it is sure efficient square wave gen than runs for hours on a 10uf cap at 1 volt and draws 1Ua . I suspect this is no problem especially lighting those hi watt led bulbs.. .Yea i didn't want to give the source or any other information yet so he can have time to do it and not be hammered with questions we all have .right?
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e2matrix

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Re: Donald Smith Device self looping no cap no batteries bright Lights !
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2012, 03:21:30 AM »
Thanks gadget!   Yeah that's why I didn't give exact reference but anyone who's been around a while here will figure it out. 

That's what I was hoping to hear on the signal gen.  I knew some can run very low power but I wasn't sure if he was running his off his circuit or had an external AC powered one like I normally use.  Good to hear that since I'm going to jump in on replicating this one too.  Trying at that moment to find a source for that BFY51  transistor.  Sounds kind of like UK numbers - just a guess.   I found reference from mouser that says Bipolar - BJT NPN General Purpose - OBSOLETE.   Hope it's not obsolete because they realized it was an OU part - LOL ....
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TinselKoala

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Re: Donald Smith Device self looping no cap no batteries bright Lights !
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2012, 03:34:49 AM »
Use 2n2222a, metal can type.

Or, order here if you can wait two weeks for delivery:
http://www.utsource.net/BFY51.html
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Re: Donald Smith Device self looping no cap no batteries bright Lights !
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2012, 03:36:59 AM »
How can this be considered "self-oscillating" and "energy from nowhere" if it is driven by a square wave generator?
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TinselKoala

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Re: Donald Smith Device self looping no cap no batteries bright Lights !
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2012, 03:50:09 AM »
What are the values of C1 and C3, where is the LED light set hooked up, and where are the monitoring instruments attached? Got to have those details to get started.

Has a comparison been made between the clever tri-toroid assembly, and a single toroid with three windings, of the same permeability?

Definitely don't take apart the prototype. Unless of course you need the clipleads for some other project.
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TinselKoala

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Re: Donald Smith Device self looping no cap no batteries bright Lights !
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2012, 03:52:30 AM »
Quote from: poynt99 on November 10, 2012, 03:36:59 AM
How can this be considered "self-oscillating" and "energy from nowhere" if it is driven by a square wave generator?

Hmmm.... this neck of the woods sure has some familiar looking trees in it.... have we been down this path before?
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e2matrix

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Re: Donald Smith Device self looping no cap no batteries bright Lights !
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2012, 04:01:51 AM »
Quote from: poynt99 on November 10, 2012, 03:36:59 AM
How can this be considered "self-oscillating" and "energy from nowhere" if it is driven by a square wave generator?
That's somewhat what I was asking.  Based on what gadgetmall said it would seem there's enough power to run a little square wave gen circuit.   Based on the video I saw it surely has enough to run one but I am still not certain if that's what he was using in the video.  He did make reference to using one of these http://www.rmcybernetics.com/projects/DIY_Devices/homemade_signal_generator2.htm   which would appear to be a very low power circuit.   As long as it can power something like that then it certainly fits the term 'self oscillating'.  He did state it was Self-Loop, With load, no battery no cap.   He's a well known good builder who's been at this for a long while.   I saw Lasersaber also jumped in on getting parts for a replication.  That in itself gives me considerable confidence it's not a mistake of some sort. 
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Re: Donald Smith Device self looping no cap no batteries bright Lights !
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2012, 04:02:46 AM »
Base-Emitter junction of Q1-->Base-Collector junction of Q2 (is not reverse-biased like it normally would be with a positive voltage at the collector).

So the FG output is easily driving the coils to some degree.
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TinselKoala

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Re: Donald Smith Device self looping no cap no batteries bright Lights !
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2012, 04:06:56 AM »
How does the signal generator manage to turn the first transistor on, with only one uA of current?

ETA: heh, crossed posts with .99, same intent, questioning the power supplied by the signal source....
great minds do think alike
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Re: Donald Smith Device self looping no cap no batteries bright Lights !
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2012, 04:10:37 AM »
Quote from: TinselKoala on November 10, 2012, 04:06:56 AM
How does the signal generator manage to turn the first transistor on, with only one uA of current?
How do you compute 1uA?
 ETA: correction:

(5V - 1.4V)/100 + 100 + 50 Ohms = 14.4mA


ETA2:

If it is not a standard function generator, and perhaps a DIY oscillator without a 50 Ohm output resistance (I think he posted that this is the case), then the available current to drive the coils is even greater:

(5 - 1.4)/100 + 100 = 18mA (peak), and an average current of 9mA.
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TinselKoala

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Re: Donald Smith Device self looping no cap no batteries bright Lights !
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2012, 04:29:14 AM »
Quote from: poynt99 on November 10, 2012, 04:10:37 AM
How do you compute 1uA?
 ETA: correction:

(5V - 1.4V)/100 + 100 + 50 Ohms = 14.4mA


ETA2:

If it is not a standard function generator, and perhaps a DIY oscillator without a 50 Ohm output resistance (I think he posted that this is the case), then the available current to drive the coils is even greater:

(5 - 1.4)/100 + 100 = 18mA (peak), and an average current of 9mA.
Not me... the conjecture was made above that the signal source might be an ultralow power chip that only draws 1 uA or something like that.... and I'm saying that this could not drive the circuit directly with that low current input to the oscillator. The TS3001 on its demo board, I think it was.
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e2matrix

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Re: Donald Smith Device self looping no cap no batteries bright Lights !
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2012, 06:35:20 AM »
I do believe the device is started initially with a 12 volt battery but once running the battery is disconnected.  I may be wrong but I have to assume it gets a jump start from somewhere.  Have you seen the video? 
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