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Author Topic: Mr.Clean's Device  (Read 42818 times)

Offline nievesoliveras

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Re: Mr.Clean's Device
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2012, 01:03:01 PM »
I think the idea is a variation of the circuit found at PJKbook-Chapter-3.
It is like so:

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Re: Mr.Clean's Device
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Re: Mr.Clean's Device
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2012, 09:13:56 PM »
If by "variation" you mean "completely different ".... then I agree with you.

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Re: Mr.Clean's Device
« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2012, 02:19:45 AM »
Below is an updated schematic diagram of Mr. Clean's Device.

It is still not clear where the +9V supply rail comes from and where the red question marks (? ? ?) go to.

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Re: Mr.Clean's Device
« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2012, 02:19:45 AM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Mr.Clean's Device
« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2012, 02:28:22 AM »
Thanks, verpies, that's very clear.
The "unconnected parallel wire"... is that half of a pair with the other, connected wire, like lampcord or coax or twisted pair, or is it a separate lead altogether? It would be nice to have the dimensions of this wire, how far apart it is from the other wire, how long, how is it laid out?
I don't really have a theory here, but certainly this is one odd part of the arrangement that should be documented completely.

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Re: Mr.Clean's Device
« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2012, 02:59:27 AM »
Thanks verpies, nice work.

The bottom (? ? ?) must go to the circuit ground. If the 9V supply is derived from the 12V supply (and I suspect it is), then the upper (? ? ?) would go to the 9V regulator input in the PWM block. Kurt does show both going to that block.

Hopefully Kurt will be a little more forthcoming with some answers, then we may know for certain if what I am saying is correct.

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Offline Groundloop

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Re: Mr.Clean's Device
« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2012, 07:57:11 AM »
Thanks verpies, nice work.

The bottom (? ? ?) must go to the circuit ground. If the 9V supply is derived from the 12V supply (and I suspect it is), then the upper (? ? ?) would go to the 9V regulator input in the PWM block. Kurt does show both going to that block.

Hopefully Kurt will be a little more forthcoming with some answers, then we may know for certain if what I am saying is correct.

.99,

He is running the oscillator from a 9 Volt battery.
The battery can be seen in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHnJYl6q96w&feature=relmfu
Attached is my understanding of his circuit.

[EDIT] I have updated my circuit drawing according to the hand drawing from Mr. Clean.

GL.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2012, 02:10:55 PM by Groundloop »

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Re: Mr.Clean's Device
« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2012, 12:37:21 PM »
The "unconnected parallel wire"... is that half of a pair with the other, connected wire, like lampcord or coax or twisted pair, or is it a separate lead altogether? It would be nice to have the dimensions of this wire, how far apart it is from the other wire, how long, how is it laid out?
I really don't know. 
All I have is that hand drawn drawing from Mr. Clean that shows the wire from the negative terminal of C7 capacitor being parallel to the wire from a positive terminal of this capacitor.

The free wire appears to be tuning/detuning something.  It  resembles another successful OU Device that worked when it was tuned/detuned by a free hanging wire (or touched by hand).  See this video of it.

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Re: Mr.Clean's Device
« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2012, 12:37:21 PM »
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Offline verpies

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Re: Mr.Clean's Device
« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2012, 12:42:23 PM »
Attached is my understanding of his circuit.
Mr. Clean has not admitted to the separate 9V battery powering the PWM oscillator circuit however a 9V battery is visible on his 39E video but this is not the video of the self-runner.

Also, the value of R5 was my interpretation and has not been confirmed by the author.
Also, the position of R7 on your schematic diagram is inconsistent with with this drawing from the author.
Finally, the author has not confirmed whether the +12V supply rail (e.g. collector of Q1) is connected to the positive terminal of C7.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2012, 02:19:49 PM by verpies »

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Re: Mr.Clean's Device
« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2012, 01:24:16 PM »
The position of R7 is inconsistent with this drawing from the author.

Verpies,

But it sure looks like the 1 Ohm resistor is at the end of the + lead in the video?
Or is the red clip the + wire?

GL.

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Re: Mr.Clean's Device
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Re: Mr.Clean's Device
« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2012, 02:32:48 PM »

oh man this made me laugh out loud :D no im not using any tricks, but im not having much luck replicating this myself, so i hope not to cause too much frustration, but here is how i have it wired...
http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/1874/imagedmb.jpg[/size]

Mr. Clean,

Do you run your oscillator circuit from a 9 Volt battery?
What is the value on the resistor connected to the base of transistor BFY51?
Is your 3 Watt LED lamp a 12 Volt lamp?

GL.

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Re: Mr.Clean's Device
« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2012, 02:32:58 PM »
But it sure looks like the 1 Ohm resistor is at the end of the + lead in the video?
Or is the red clip the + wire?
Maybe.
If true, then Mr.Cleans hand drawn schematic is incorrect.

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Re: Mr.Clean's Device
« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2012, 02:32:58 PM »
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Offline Groundloop

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Re: Mr.Clean's Device
« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2012, 02:38:33 PM »
Maybe.
If true, then Mr.Cleans hand drawn schematic is incorrect.

Verpies,

Thanks for taking time to answer me.

Well, I guess we have to wait until Mr. Clean clears this up by posting corrections or new information.

GL.

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Re: Mr.Clean's Device
« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2012, 03:34:00 PM »
I bet Mr. Clean's bi-toroid would work fine with the primary circuit wired like Lasersaber's Joule Ringer 3. A variable resistor on the transistor base would help adjust frequency to resonance. This simple circuit would be much easier to self loop too.
 
I think the real advance here is Mr. Clean's choice of the easy to come by fractured "Hi-perm." ferrite toroids for transformer core, and the over the 10x flux reluctance he's apparently achieved in his primary flux path configuration. The amount of surface area touching on the edges between the complete primary toroids is at least ten times less then the flat semi toroid surfaces touching sideways on the secondary paths. It more then likely would help to file two small flat spots on the outside primary toroid edges to increase the primary flux path if it exceeds the "At least" 10x reluctance factor. This small improvement may tend to help maximize the secondary outputs toward Thane's ideal tested ratio. This should help add to the performance reliability recently reported as spotty by Mr. Clean due to perhaps too small a secondaries output. Too great a flux path between the primary toroid edges would kill the secondary outputs altogether. A precise measurement of all the surface areas in contact can help determine exactly how much material to remove from the primary toroid edges to optimize the ratio. Thanks and bravo to Mr. Clean! 
« Last Edit: November 13, 2012, 10:44:07 PM by synchro1 »

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Re: Mr.Clean's Device
« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2012, 04:23:32 PM »
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I bet Mr. Clean's bi-toroid would work fine with the primary circuit wired like Lasersaber's Joule Ringer 3.


We will know soon enough.

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Re: Mr.Clean's Device
« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2012, 11:01:58 PM »

We will know soon enough.

Some of "us" already know.   ;)

I would also like to see a comparison made between the "bitoroid" shown, and a single toroid, wound with all three coils on it.

Btw lasersaber.... thanks! I have shamelessly used variants and modifications of your circuit (with credit of course) to make my best JTs.

 

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