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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Mr.Clean's Device
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2012, 05:26:44 PM »
I've watched the video again and saw the yellow clip connected from the 5watt resistor going to the cap bank and the green clip connected to the common ground! Thats why he still got power for the trafo, he thought he disconnected the cap bank via the black wire to the common ground but misses the green clip still connected to the neg of the battery i think, im not discouraging any body, but telling what i think...see for your self if im mistaken...correct me if im wrong...  ;D

Can you give some specific time markers for your observations? My eyes aren't as sharp as they once were, and I've always been confused by alligator clipleads.... (I was bitten by one when I was a child and now they frighten me).

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« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2012, 06:10:30 PM »
At about 3:33 he say's "this thing is really weird" then shows the capacitors and the battery, the yellow red black and green leads can be seen connected to the cap board.
Black and green on negative, yellow and red on positive. I've already posed the question of those wire's, but I got an unclear response.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzE-p0GJb_Q&feature=youtu.be

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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2012, 06:45:39 PM »
At about 3:33 he say's "this thing is really weird" then shows the capacitors and the battery, the yellow red black and green leads can be seen connected to the cap board.
Black and green on negative, yellow and red on positive. I've already posed the question of those wire's, but I got an unclear response.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzE-p0GJb_Q&feature=youtu.be

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I've got a large monitor, ran that vid at highest resolution and froze at 3:33, 3:37, 3:38 and ran it many times over.  I certainly could not say that the leads are connected as you state.  They could just be laying close to where they had been clipped.  Lots of possibilities.   To assume that you are correct is to assume mr. clean is either doing a sloppy job of trying to fool everyone or he's to dumb to realize he still has them hooked up.  Neither one of those scenario's fits well with what I know of him. 

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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2012, 06:59:27 PM »
He appears to have 5 electrolytics in series across a RS breadboard. At each end, the caps terminate to the breadboard "rail". It looks to me as though all 4 alligator clips are still clipped to a wire inserted into the "rail" buss.

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« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2012, 07:23:08 PM »
I've got a large monitor, ran that vid at highest resolution and froze at 3:33, 3:37, 3:38 and ran it many times over.  I certainly could not say that the leads are connected as you state.  They could just be laying close to where they had been clipped.  Lots of possibilities.   To assume that you are correct is to assume mr. clean is either doing a sloppy job of trying to fool everyone or he's to dumb to realize he still has them hooked up.  Neither one of those scenario's fits well with what I know of him.

Those are not the only possibilities.

"Many's the slip between the cup and the lip". With that kind of disarray on the workbench it is very easy to make errors or wiring "glitches" without realizing it. (My bench is also like this, respect, but all my clipleads are the same color so I don't get confused.) I'm sure he'll find out if and where there is an error, and I'm hopeful that he'll post a diagram that shows the exact circuit as it is, including any "error" if one is found. I really don't think he's trying to fool anyone and I wouldn't call him "too dumb to realize" anything, because it seems to me from looking at earlier videos that he is honestly experimenting and trying to fill in the gaps in his understanding.

The people who are too dumb to realize anything are the ones who know it all already anyway.

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Offline TinselKoala

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« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2012, 07:27:56 PM »
He appears to have 5 electrolytics in series across a RS breadboard. At each end, the caps terminate to the breadboard "rail". It looks to me as though all 4 alligator clips are still clipped to a wire inserted into the "rail" buss.
Yah, so he does, which would account possibly for the observed decay in the voltage while running disconnected.... but what about the rise in voltage that is seen a couple of times? Once it's a fast rise, when he temporarily hooks the batt back up, but a couple of times there's a clear rise in the voltmeter reading that's slower, like a cap charging through a resistance, and he doesn't indicate in the narration that he's doing anything. Is he tuning the osc freq during the demo or is that fixed at 1 kHz?

And also... did I hear him say, or read, that the voltmeter is on AC? Where is he measuring?

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« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2012, 12:39:27 AM »
I've got a large monitor, ran that vid at highest resolution and froze at 3:33, 3:37, 3:38 and ran it many times over.  I certainly could not say that the leads are connected as you state.  They could just be laying close to where they had been clipped.  Lots of possibilities.   To assume that you are correct is to assume mr. clean is either doing a sloppy job of trying to fool everyone or he's to dumb to realize he still has them hooked up.  Neither one of those scenario's fits well with what I know of him.

mrclean has demonstrated on several occasions that he does not understand how to determine energy or even power.  The wire's are connected to the capacitor board that is
all I said. Clearly that is the case. If you can't see that with a "large monitor" then I can't help that. I didn't assume anything I asked a question about what I saw.

Foe eg, just before the clip in question he uploaded a clip where he suggested that because he seen 30 odd volt spikes on the scope he could just multiply 30v by the output
current and get the output power. 

Never did I suggest he is deliberately trying fool anyone. I think he has just made another mistake which is fine. We all make mistakes. If the capacitors cannot be removed as he says they are needed, then they are still needed in the circuit and probably running it with the energy from them. Where the wire's go wires from the capacitors will be all telling.

Do not try to attribute to me more than I have said.  So what is it you say I said that requires me to be correct ? I asked about the wires. Are you saying there is not the four wires connected to the capacitor board or that you cannot see them ? I may be wrong about how they are connected I admit, but the important thing is to find out how they are connected and where they go to. I should have said it "looks" like that is how they are connected. But they are indeed connected to the board.

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Re: Mr.Clean's Device
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2012, 02:56:24 AM »
Can you give some specific time markers for your observations? My eyes aren't as sharp as they once were, and I've always been confused by alligator clipleads.... (I was bitten by one when I was a child and now they frighten me).


At 1.25 to 1.37 you can clearly see that the green clip is connected with the black clip from the battery going to the cap bank, the wires are hidden via the ignition coil besides the batt. under the plier then behind the metal cup that the cap bank is lying.


Lets wait for mr.clean to clean it up, (i mean clear) lol  ;D  before concluding anything, maybe in his next video...

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Re: Mr.Clean's Device
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2012, 08:00:20 AM »
Those are not the only possibilities.

"Many's the slip between the cup and the lip". With that kind of disarray on the workbench it is very easy to make errors or wiring "glitches" without realizing it. (My bench is also like this, respect, but all my clipleads are the same color so I don't get confused.) I'm sure he'll find out if and where there is an error, and I'm hopeful that he'll post a diagram that shows the exact circuit as it is, including any "error" if one is found. I really don't think he's trying to fool anyone and I wouldn't call him "too dumb to realize" anything, because it seems to me from looking at earlier videos that he is honestly experimenting and trying to fill in the gaps in his understanding.

The people who are too dumb to realize anything are the ones who know it all already anyway.


oh man this made me laugh out loud :D no im not using any tricks, but im not having much luck replicating this myself, so i hope not to cause too much frustration, but here is how i have it wired...
http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/1874/imagedmb.jpg[/size]

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« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2012, 06:22:10 PM »
How is the 9V produced for the PWM oscillator power supply?
Is +9V produced from the +12V rail that appears across the battery?
« Last Edit: November 12, 2012, 01:11:12 AM by verpies »

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« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2012, 06:24:35 PM »
Here it is:

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Re: Mr.Clean's Device
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2012, 09:46:24 PM »
Heya Bill, Kurt & Tinsel!


So Kurt, what you are getting at is that the oscillator is clearly powered by the super cap, BUT it should, never show a climbing voltage? is that the whole thing here?


Thanks
Nice work.

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« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2012, 11:11:27 PM »
The schematic is still not what I'd call a conventional representation; I still can't see the way the oscillator's 9V supply is interconnected, nor how the loop containing the 1 F cap is connected to the oscillator. The behaviour shown on the voltmeter while running looks like a cap being charged up slowly, and then discharging, and then "catching" and charging again. The one time when MrClean re-energizes the system by deliberately reconnecting the battery briefly, the voltage comes up fast; when the "recharge" events happen it's much slower. To me, this is the more anomalous bit of data. I can imagine the system running "itself" on a charged capacitor for a while, or even on the 9v supply of the oscillator, but I don't know how to account for these apparent recharge events, unless the oscillator freq or some other parameter was being varied at the time.

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Re: Mr.Clean's Device
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2012, 04:47:13 AM »
hi everyone, despite the interesting results, im concluding the results to be an anomaly, i cant guarantee that everyone will see these results, and im not able to reproduce it all the time

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« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2012, 05:10:47 AM »
hi everyone, despite the interesting results, im concluding the results to be an anomaly, i cant guarantee that everyone will see these results, and im not able to reproduce it all the time

Ok.

May I ask where you got that circuit? Or the transformer setup?  Or did you just come up with all of it and put it together? If so, what is the purpose of the extra cores if I may ask?
The transformer is really the only foreign item of the circuit.

Hope you get it going again. ;)


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