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magnetic motor deficiencies Talk
« on: November 03, 2012, 02:44:27 PM »
On the internet you can gather a lot of useful information, and I would like to discuss with the community the ability to create vehicles (engines) uses the power of magnetic fields of permanent magnets to produce useful energy.
In discussions of the motors say that theoretically they possibly can to work but according to the law of conservation of energy is not possible.
 Yet what is a permanent magnet:
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/% D0% 9C% D0% B0% D0% B3% D0% BD% D0% B8% D1% 82

There is a network of information on these devices:

http://www.macmep.ru/patent_minato.htm

http://zaryad.com/forum/download/file.php?id=1984


http://vksk-service.ucoz.ru/news/magnitnyj_dvigatel_tureckogo_izobretatelja_muammer_yildiz/2012-06-04-220


According to the plan of their inventors, they are designed to produce useful energy but many believe that their designs are hiding some flaws hinder the free operation of the machines to produce useful energy (and the performance of devices just cleverly concealed fraud). Let's try to get around these obstacles and verify the existence of the possibility of creating vehicles (engines) uses the power of magnetic fields of permanent magnets to produce useful energy.
So armed with a piece of paper and a pencil eraser try to be an improvement in the above devices


Utility model
The present invention relates to magnetic rotation apparatus, and to the field of power engineering.
Utility model claims:
Apparatus consisting of a rotating magnetic rotor (rotating) disk still attached to it by magnetic yoke (sections) with permanent magnets and so designed that the opposite poles are at 90 degrees. to each other, and the stator (static) disk still attached to it by magnetic yoke (sections) with permanent magnets and so designed that the opposite poles are at 90 degrees. to each other and located on the same axis of rotation, where the rotor disk fixedly connected to the shaft rotation, and the stator is connected to the drive shaft through the bearing, which is different in that its design incorporates permanent magnets are designed in such a way that opposite poles are angled 90 deg. to each other, as well as in the design of applied stator (static) and the rotor (rotating) disks still attached to it by magnetic yoke (sections) with permanent magnets.

Prior art:
 A) A well-known magnetic motor Kohei Minato. U.S. patent number 5594289
The patent describes a magnetic rotating apparatus in which the rotation of the shaft are two rotors placed on them with permanent magnets normal shape (rectangular box), where all the permanent magnets placed obliquely radial direction line of the rotor. And on the outer periphery of the rotor are two electromagnets to pulse excitation is based and where the rotor.
 
1) It is also described in the patent in a magnetic rotating apparatus uses the area for energy derived from the rotation of the permanent magnets, but to work to obtain the rotational energy to use only one of the poles of the permanent magnets.
Whereas in the lower device in the work to develop the rotational energy involved both poles of the permanent magnets because their configuration has been changed.
2) Also in the lower unit increases efficiency by making the circuit design of such elements as the disk rotation (rotary disc) which are fixedly mounted annular yoke (sections) of the permanent magnet configuration changes. And the amount of ring-shaped clamps (sections) of the permanent magnet configuration change depends on the capacity that we would like to ask the device.
3) Just below this device instead of a stator used in conventional electric motors, or as in the patent, which uses two solenoids on impulse excitation systems involved annular clamps (sections) of the permanent magnet configuration change, and to reduce, in the following description , named stator (static) disk.

 B) It is also well known magnetic motor Perendev
The patent describes a device for a magnetic rotation in which the shaft is rotating drum made of non-magnetic material in which the magnets are arranged around the stator which is a non-magnetic material in which there are magnets.
The invention provides a magnetic motor, which comprises a shaft (26) for rotation about its longitudinal axis, the first set (16) magnets (14) are located on the shaft (26) in the rotor (10) for the rotation of the shaft (26) and a second set (42) magnets (40) arranged in the stator (32) surrounding the rotor (10), and the second set (42) magnets (40), in conjunction with the first set (16) magnets (14), in which magnetism ( 14.40), the first and second sets (16.42) magnetism, at least partially magnetically shielded to focus its magnetic field in the direction of the gap between the rotor (10) and the stator (32)
 

1) It is also described in the patent in a magnetic rotating apparatus uses the area for energy derived from the rotation of the permanent magnets, but to work to obtain the rotational energy to use only one of the poles of the permanent magnets.
Whereas in the lower device in the work to develop the rotational energy involved both poles of the permanent magnets because their configuration has been changed.
2) Also in the lower unit increases efficiency by making the circuit design of such elements as the disk rotation (rotary disc) which are fixedly mounted annular yoke (sections) of the permanent magnet configuration changes. And the amount of ring-shaped clamps (sections) of the permanent magnet configuration change depends on the capacity that we would like to ask the device.
3) Just below this device instead of a stator used in conventional electric motors, or as in the patent, which uses two solenoids on impulse excitation systems involved annular clamps (sections) of the permanent magnet configuration change, and to reduce, in the following description , named stator (static) disk.
B) There is also a diagram of the unit of magnetic rotation:
 
The scheme uses dvuhstatornaya system while the rotor to obtain the rotational energy involved both poles of the permanent magnets. But in this lower unit efficiency to obtain the rotational energy will be much higher.
1) It is also described in the patent in a magnetic rotating apparatus uses the area for energy derived from the rotation of the permanent magnets, but to work to obtain the rotational energy to use only one of the poles of the permanent magnets.
Whereas in the lower device in the work to develop the rotational energy involved both poles of the permanent magnets because their configuration has been changed.
2) Also in the lower unit increases efficiency by making the circuit design of such elements as the disk rotation (rotary disc) which are fixedly mounted annular yoke (sections) of the permanent magnet configuration changes. And the amount of ring-shaped clamps (sections) of the permanent magnet configuration change depends on the capacity that we would like to ask the device.
3) Also, in the lower unit, instead stator used in conventional electric motors, or as in the patent, which uses two stator, outer and inner, ring-enabled system clamps (sections) of the permanent magnet configuration changes, and reductions in the following description, called the stator (static) disk

This lower unit aims to improve the performance, as well as to increase the power of devices using rotating magnetic force of repulsion of like poles of permanent magnets.
 Summary:
This application provides a useful model of magnetic rotation apparatus. (Scheme 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.)
 Magnetic rotation device comprises: a rotating shaft-1 which immovably fixed disc 2 being rotor (rotating disk), which are fixed and immobile) annular-3a and b)-3b cylindrical cages with permanent magnets of the configuration and location as in the diagram 2.
 The same unit of magnetic rotation contains stator disc 4 (scheme: 1a, 3.) Permanently mounted and connected to a rotating shaft through the bearing-1-5. to a stationary annular disk still attached (Figure 2.3), the magnetic yoke (6a, 6b) with permanent magnets of the configuration and location as in Figure 2.
Themselves permanent magnets (7) are designed so that the opposite poles at 90 degrees. to each other (Figure 1, 2.) and only on the outer stator (6b) and the inner rotor (3b) are the normal configuration (8).
Clips with magnets (6a, 6b, 3a.) Hold annular shape, and clip (3b) of cylindrical shape, so that when combined stator disc (4) with a rotary disc (2) (Scheme 1, 1 a.) Clip with magnets ( 3a) on the rotary disc (2) placed in the middle of the cage with magnets (6b) on the stator disc (4) clip with magnets (6a) in the stator plate (4) is placed in the middle of the cage with magnets (3a) on the rotary disc (2 ) and holder with magnets (3b) on the rotary disc (2) placed in the middle of the cage with magnets (6a) for the stator disc (4).
Operation:
When joining (combining) the stator disc (4) with a rotary disc (2) (Scheme 1, 1a, 4)
magnetic field of the permanent magnet (2a) holder with magnet stator disk (2) affects the magnetic field of the permanent magnet (3a) of the cage with the magnets (3) rotor disk.
Begin forward motion repulsion of like poles of permanent magnets (3a) and (2a), which is converted into a rotary motion to the rotor disk which still attached annular (3) and cylindrical (4) clips with magnets according to area (Figure 4).
Next rotor disk is rotated to where the magnetic field of the permanent magnet (1a) clips with magnets (1) stator disc begins to act on the magnetic field of the permanent magnet (3a) clips with magnets (3) rotor disk, the effects of magnetic fields of like poles of permanent magnets ( 1a) and (3a) generates forward motion repulsion of like poles of magnets (1a) and (3a), which is converted into rotational motion of the rotor disk according to the direction (in Figure 4) and the rotary disc is rotated to where the magnetic field of the permanent magnet (2a) clips with magnets (2) stator disc begins to act on the magnetic field of the permanent magnet (4a) of the lot with magnets (4) rotor disk, the effects of magnetic fields, like poles of the permanent magnets (2a) and (4a) generates forward motion repulsion of like poles of permanent magnets (2a) and (4a), which is converted into rotational motion of the rotor disk according to area (Figure 5).
Rotary disc is rotated to where the magnetic field of the permanent magnet (2a) clips with magnets (2) stator disc begins to act on the magnetic field of the permanent magnet (3b) of a holder of permanent magnets (3) rotor disk, the impact of magnetic fields, like poles of the permanent magnets (2a) and (3b) generates forward motion repulsion of like poles of magnets (2a) and (3b), putting, in this case, the beginning of a new cycle, the magnetic interactions between the permanent magnets, in the present, as an example of the device, 36-degree sector of the disk rotator.
Thus a circle drive with magnetic holder, consisting of permanent magnets of the device, there are 10 (ten) sectors, a process that has been described above is in each of them. And due to the above process is a movement speed clips with magnets (3a and 3b), and as holder (3a and 3b) fixedly connected to the drive (2) is in sync with the motion of rotation of clips (3a and 3b), there is a movement of rotation of the disk ( 2). Disc (2) fixedly connected (using keys or splined connection) to the shaft rotation (1). And a rotation shaft (1) the torque is transmitted on, presumably the generator.

To increase the power of this type of engine can be used to add additional magnetic circuit clips, consisting of permanent magnets on the disc (2) and (4) (according to the scheme number 5).
And as for the same purpose (to increase capacity) in the scheme of the engine, you can add more than one pair of drives (rotary and static). (Circuit number 5 and number 6)

I would like to add that this scheme is magnetic motor will be more efficient if the magnetic cage rotor and static discs will be different number of permanent magnets are selected in such a way that the rotation system was, the minimum, or was not at all "points balance" - the definition is for magnetic motors. This is the point at which during the rotary motion clips with permanent magnets (3) (Scheme 4) permanent magnet (3a) during his forward motion encounters the magnetic interaction between the like poles of the permanent magnet (1a) and which must be overcome by competent arrangement of permanent magnets the cage rotor disk (3a and 3b) and the cage static disc (6a and 6b) so that the passage of such points is the repulsive force of the permanent magnets and their subsequent translational motion compensated by the interaction of the permanent magnets in overcoming opposition in the magnetic field data points. Or use an adaptation.
Even the engines of this type can be used instead of permanent magnets magnets (solenoid).
Then the scheme of work (now current) described above will be coming, but this time will be included in the design of the electrical circuit.

Drawings
Images are available at:
http://magnetic12.blogspot.com/
Fig. 2
Top view of the section of the magnetic rotating apparatus.

3a) The annular holder (section) with permanent magnets with the changed configuration - (so designed that the opposite poles at 90 degrees. Together).
3b) The cylindrical holder (section) with permanent magnets conventional configuration.
6a) The annular holder (section) with permanent magnets with the changed configuration-(so designed that the opposite poles are at 90 degrees. Together).
6b) The annular holder (section) with permanent magnets conventional configuration.
7) Permanent magnets changed configuration-(so designed that the opposite poles are at 90 degrees. Together).
8) Permanent magnets conventional configuration.

Fig. 3
Side sectional view of the apparatus of magnetic rotation
1) The shaft rotation.
2) Rotary (rotating) disk.
3a) The annular holder (section) with permanent magnets with the changed configuration-(so designed that the opposite poles at 90 degrees. Together).
3b) The cylindrical holder (section) with permanent magnets conventional configuration.
4) stator (static) disk.
5) Bearing.
6a) The annular holder (section) with permanent magnets with the changed configuration-(so designed that the opposite poles are at 90 degrees. Together).
6b) The annular holder (section) with permanent magnets conventional configuration.
Figure 4 photos


Figure 4 shows:
Sector in the 36 degrees of the circle rotary (rotating) and stator (static) disk that describes the motion of rotation of the rotor disk in the direction of the arrow.

1) sector in the 36 degree holder with permanent magnets (1a) of the usual configuration of stator disc.
1a) permanent magnet normal configuration of the lot (1) stator disc.
2) sector in the 36 degree holder with permanent magnets (2a) so designed that the opposite poles at an angle of 90 deg. each other stator disk.
2a) permanent magnet constructed so that opposite poles are located at 90 degrees. to each other from a holder (2) stator disc.
3) sector in the 36 degree holder with permanent magnets (3a) and (3b), so designed that the opposite poles at an angle of 90 deg. together rotor disk.
3a) permanent magnet constructed so that opposite poles are at 90 degrees. to each other from a holder (3) rotor disk.
3b) permanent magnet constructed so that opposite poles are at 90 degrees. to each other from a holder (3) rotor disk.
4) sector in the 36 degree holder with permanent magnets (4a) of the normal configuration of stator disc.
4a) permanent magnet normal configuration of the lot (4) stator disc.

Drawing of a side view of the cut AMV (unit of magnetic rotation) with two stator disks and two rotating disks. (Prototype claimed more power)
1) The shaft rotation.
2), 2a), Rotary (rotating) disks, which are fixedly mounted holder (2 companies), and (4 companies) with permanent magnets with the changed configuration - (so designed that the opposite poles at an angle of 90 deg. One other).
4), 4a) stator (static, stationary) discs that are fixedly mounted holder (1stat) and (5s) with permanent magnets conventional configuration, as well as clip (3stat) with permanent magnets with the changed configuration - (so designed as that opposite poles are at 90 degrees. together).
5) Bearings used for rotation of shaft 1. and stator (static) disk drives.
6) Keyed or splined shaft connection speed 1. with rotor (rotating) disks.

Photos from the top of the section drawing AMV (unit of magnetic rotation)) with two stator disks and two rotating disks. (Prototype claimed more power)

The figure shows:
1 article) annular ring with permanent magnets (1a) conventional configuration (rectangular parallelepiped). stator (static) disk.
2 mouth) annular ring with permanent magnets (2a) with the changed configuration - (so designed that the opposite poles at an angle of 90 deg. Together). Rotor (rotating) disk.
3 articles) annular ring with permanent magnets (3a) with the changed configuration - (so designed that the opposite poles at 90 degrees. Together). stator (static) disk.
4 mouth) annular ring with permanent magnets (4a) with the changed configuration - (so designed that the opposite poles at an angle of 90 deg. Together). Rotor (rotating) disk.
5) The cylindrical cage with permanent magnets (5a) conventional configuration (rectangular parallelepiped). stator (static) disk.

Unfortunately Figure 1 contains the error number.

As we see in the existing scheme of magnetic motor, you can make significant changes in their increasingly improving ....

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magnetic motor deficiencies Talk
« on: November 03, 2012, 02:44:27 PM »

Offline Прохожий123

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Re: magnetic motor deficiencies Talk
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2012, 06:51:10 PM »
Met in the network yet another project - this is a magnetic motor Ertay Shintekov (I believe that it is more successful than others):

http://www.kaf-pe.kpi.ua/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=75&Itemid=49

But it also needs to be improved:
In the description of the invention, the author writes:
"When a cylindrical magnet (Fig. 1) approximate the front part where the north pole to the narrow funnel opening of the magnet, which also is the north pole, then at a distance of 3 cm between the magnets relative weak repulsion begins at a distance of about 2 cm (point of balance which the motor will slow down and stop) If it is to overcome a slight resistance, the cylindrical magnet and firmly pulled into the cavity of the funnel-shaped magnet and a high speed out of the wide opening. And in the case where a cylindrical magnet approaches the widest part of the funnel-shaped magnet, it is drawn into the cavity, and stops in the middle of the funnel-shaped magnet. And that proves is that this effect is due to the special configuration of the interacting magnetic fields. "

Just armed with a pencil and piece of paper, try to think how we can overcome the emerging "balance point" in this engine:
And try this way: replace the funnel in a pair of permanent magnets with magnets on the cylindrical permanent magnets are made in the spiraling vortex. (Fig. 1)
and permanent magnets made in the form of a cylinder with chopped krupnoshagovoy thread. (Fig. 2)
Pictures here:
http://vitaliy123.blogspot.com/

 

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