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DeepCut

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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #45 on: December 08, 2012, 06:59:37 PM »
Forgot to say, oilpiggy, very impressive. Fantastic reduction in heating costs, you're a top man :)


All the best,

DC.


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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #46 on: December 10, 2012, 09:15:59 PM »
Forgot to say, oilpiggy, very impressive. Fantastic reduction in heating costs, you're a top man :)


All the best,

DC.
Thank you DC


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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #47 on: December 10, 2012, 10:38:49 PM »
Please hurry, make a http://www.kickstarter.com/  with this invention, a small run first, with the actual design.  Next design will be for another run, dont try to make perfect at once, bring what you have.


the people need it, also will make jobs in your area and money for the patent and for your ideas.


Thanks.

MileHigh

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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #48 on: December 11, 2012, 02:20:31 AM »
Oilpiggy:

It would appear that all you have is anecdotal information that it is costing you less to heat your house with your friction heater.  At the same time physics states that it doesn't matter if you use an electrical heating element or a motor outputting mechanical power that is used to make heat from friction, they will both output the same amount of heat if the input electrical power is the same.

So, unless you can devise an experiment and generate some real data that backs up your claim, and then have your experiment replicated by at least two other parties that get similar results, right now there is no substantive data to make a claim.

There is simply no rational reason to assume that a friction heater will outperform an electric heating element, notwithstanding your anecdotal claims.

If you want to be taken seriously, you have to take it to the next level.

MileHigh

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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #49 on: December 11, 2012, 08:03:26 AM »
@MileHigh

The next step is already being taken. (the testing model is in construction ) This step will take time for proper study. With that being said, would you like to build one?  I have published everything about this heater so just about anyone could build it and have oferd up my help in doing so.
Their are a lot of people taking this very seriously, including myself. My claim of my heating bill reduction is factual.  :DI know my wife has not complained  about the new bill. :D

Testing does take time and money, and will be done after the holidays are over. In the meen time I will be spending the rest of this month with my wife and kids. I did not build my Friction Heater to re wright the text books or prove one "LAW" to another. This was to heat my house for a cheaper rate then kerosene or electric wall heaters.... Mission accomplished on my part 8)

Thank you
Gabriel



 :)Happy Holidays to everyone :)

MileHigh

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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #50 on: December 11, 2012, 08:24:44 AM »
Oilpiggy:

I will pass on building a heater, I have no need for one.  Since you mentioned it, can I ask you what your test setup will consist of and how you will make your measurements?  I have no idea how much thought that you have put into this but sharing your thoughts might help.  I know from experience that there are many pitfalls that experimenters can fall into when it comes to making serious electrical and thermal measurements.  It's not necessarily easy at all, and sometimes people mistakenly believe ahead of time that it will be easy.  So sharing your test apparatus and test and measurement strategy could really help you and make for a good discussion at the same time.

MileHigh

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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #51 on: December 11, 2012, 09:35:45 AM »
Hello Oilpiggy,
 
A very clever invention.  And I really like your attitude about what you have come up with.
 
Now if I may, let me take a stab in the dark at what makes your invention tick, if I may.  You mentioned Victor Schauberger.  One of the many things that he dealt with was water flow, vortex.  Now, you have created, using magnetic fields and your core, a vortex also.  Your plates spinning or core produce edddy currents that in turn produce the heat.  I guess my question is, these same eddy currents should also be acting as a brake on the rotation creating drag on the motor?  But you are able to produce more heat then the eddy currents produce braking.  Is this because of the way that you have the magnetic plates stacked?  So, perhaps the eddy currents produced, depending on the magnetic poles, some act to hinder or brake, opposing the direction of rotation, while others assist the direction of rotation?  Your thoughts?
 
Thank you for sharing!
 
Cheers,
 
Bruce

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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #52 on: December 11, 2012, 01:40:37 PM »
Oilpiggy:

It would appear that all you have is anecdotal information that it is costing you less to heat your house with your friction heater.  At the same time physics states that it doesn't matter if you use an electrical heating element or a motor outputting mechanical power that is used to make heat from friction, they will both output the same amount of heat if the input electrical power is the same.

So, unless you can devise an experiment and generate some real data that backs up your claim, and then have your experiment replicated by at least two other parties that get similar results, right now there is no substantive data to make a claim.

There is simply no rational reason to assume that a friction heater will outperform an electric heating element, notwithstanding your anecdotal claims.

If you want to be taken seriously, you have to take it to the next level.

MileHigh

Milhigh i think the fact that he is as warm in his house as he always is, but is paying $170 dollares LESS per month on heating says something.

Why do you assume everyone who does these things wants to be "taken seriously" (whatever that means, in your head).

You're such a cheeky sod "anecdotal claims". The guy built it, it's working for him, he's saving money and he's not charging anyone for plans or advice.

I really think you're a dick, and i regret defending you're right to be unbanned on OUR.


Sincerely,

DC.





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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #53 on: December 11, 2012, 04:36:13 PM »
DeepCut:

I think that you are the dick for objecting to me asking about making real measurements and generating some scientific data.  I stand behind everything I stated and if you want to go off and sulk in a corner whenever someone requests a proper analysis then you are in the wrong place.

MileHigh

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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #54 on: December 12, 2012, 03:23:22 PM »
Hello Oilpiggy,
 
A very clever invention.  And I really like your attitude about what you have come up with.
 
Now if I may, let me take a stab in the dark at what makes your invention tick, if I may.  You mentioned Victor Schauberger.  One of the many things that he dealt with was water flow, vortex.  Now, you have created, using magnetic fields and your core, a vortex also.  Your plates spinning or core produce edddy currents that in turn produce the heat.  I guess my question is, these same eddy currents should also be acting as a brake on the rotation creating drag on the motor?  But you are able to produce more heat then the eddy currents produce braking.  Is this because of the way that you have the magnetic plates stacked?  So, perhaps the eddy currents produced, depending on the magnetic poles, some act to hinder or brake, opposing the direction of rotation, while others assist the direction of rotation?  Your thoughts?
 
Thank you for sharing!
 
Cheers,
 
Bruce
Bump...
 
Hi Oilpiggy,
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the above?!
 
Many thanks!
 
Bruce

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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #55 on: December 12, 2012, 07:51:46 PM »
DeepCut:

I think that you are the dick for objecting to me asking about making real measurements and generating some scientific data.  I stand behind everything I stated and if you want to go off and sulk in a corner whenever someone requests a proper analysis then you are in the wrong place.

MileHigh

Sometimes you are actually funny, sulk in a corner, lol !

I haven't done that for many years, MH.


DC.

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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #56 on: December 17, 2012, 12:52:03 AM »
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Hi Oilpiggy,
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the above?!
 
Many thanks!
 
Bruce

Hello Bruce,

I tried north all up and north all down, the best out come was with them north south north south ect, ect.

Thank you
Gabriel

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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #57 on: December 17, 2012, 12:57:49 AM »
Hello everyone,

I have a test model in construction for testing at Brigham Young University. Looks like the test model will be done around mid to late January.

P.S.    Still heating my house for pennies a day.

Thank you
Gabriel

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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #58 on: December 17, 2012, 01:02:05 AM »
Nice one OP, can't wait to see results :)


All the best,

DC.


MileHigh

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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #59 on: December 17, 2012, 01:21:42 AM »
Oilpiggy:

I would still like to know what your proposed test setup and test strategy is for your device.

You plan for data gathering for your house where you compare December and January results is still not scientific.  You are not accounting for the wind factor and it's not even practical or feasible to do that.  So those results would be anecdotal.

MileHigh