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plengo:
During my research into Crystal Cell batteries I found some interesting effects. One being that a particular crystal cell seams to never end its available output power or energy.


It is not much power but it is there and therefore is worthy the study and hopefully its scaling to a larger size.


I will provide in this thread some experiments I have been doing and the data I have collected. It is a lot of data so I will have to simplify and reduce its size so that it will make sense to those who are interested in the pursue of this field.


There are two kinds of Crystal Cells I have been working. One is the Magnesium (Mg) cell and the other is the Lead (Pb) cell. Both are using common materials that one can find either at home or easily purchase at ebay or other vendors.


Most of the material is non toxic to manipulation although one should never put it in the eyes, open wounds or mouth , so caution is advised.


The Magnesium cells do have corrosion but it is reduced to the level that makes this kind of cell very usable (I have cells running over one year now) and if the power output comes down, you just add water (distilled is better) and the cell will improve its output power until next watering.


The Lead/Alum cell is different in the sense that it is very useful as a replacement for regular car batteries and high current load devices. This cell can be used by charging using conventional means (charges, solar charges and so on) but the effect I am finding out is when this cell is used without any input of power, in other words, use this cell after is has lost ALL ITS INPUT POWER and it will continue providing power indefinitely.


Although the power provided is small, if properly scaled (which I am still pursuing that process), one could extract very usable power to power small loads such as LEDs, small oscillator and lower power devices.


I will very soon be posting videos, charts, data and procedures.



Fausto.

plengo:
if one follows the crystal cell research done by me, Bedini (at the Energetic Forum and his new forum), IBpointless2 and many others, one will start to see a pattern concerning those cells.


Cells can be big and small. The big ones (which I have been testing more than extensively) can store lots of joules per mass, while the small ones can not.


The big cells usually have water or liquids in its electrolyte while the small cells tend to be dry or electrostatic in nature (whatever electrostatic really is).


The big cells with liquids do present what I am finding out about their internal self-regenerating energy, which IBpointless2 has demonstrated many times. The criticism is that IBs  cells don't present current, which is true but to a certain degree.


The big cells can present current BUT you must put it there yourself so no gain by itself. The gain is becoming evident to many when using it and performing the load test - charge and discharge curves.  When doing that exercise one will notice that sometimes we have a gain in total amount of energy from the cell compared to the amount of energy input from us.


It is debatable for many but for me it is self-evident after testing hundreds of times and hundreds of hours continuously repeating the effect.


So, there are two effect at play here. One is the self-regenerating energy that any crystal cell has, small but it is there beyond a shadow of a doubt. The other is the storage efficiency of the big cells.


Now, what causes the cells at their intrinsic level to extract energy from the environment? very simple, they are antennas of sorts. The small cell cannot store much but can restore itself quickly, or better, quicker than the bigger mass cell. Why? because they are dry.


Water or liquids will prevent this static nature and convert it to another form of energy which in the big cells is a galvanic process or in other words, an exchange of "ions" through the medium and sometimes to the expense of the electrodes, but it does not have to be that way.


I do have cells that have been running for over an year providing good amount of light and power in a not related way to galvanic or destructive process. I say that because after doing hundreds of cells and tests, it becomes clear that one can control, to a certain extend, the rate of corrosion of the electrodes. It is very difficult to stop the process of corrosion with water present.


The smalls cells that are dry do not have the corrosion or galvanic process present because of the "transformation process" (liquid electrolyte) not being present.


The process now is to find a ration of small enough cell that can restore itself FASTER than the usual so that one can indeed have a constant output power. Peltier effects (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_effect) are just like that but more sensitive to temperature.

I have cells that present a small amount of power totally dry without corrosion, but very small power. One must build many in series and parallel to get anywhere besides the cells have a tendency to normalize their output power based on the presence of another neighbor cell which only increases the complexity of the problem.


The static nature of the small dry crystal cell can be scaled up. Area surface is the first level. Another would be electrodes with proper "insulation" or "covering the surface" with elements that are excellent insulators  of electric voltage "radiation". Tesla stressed that extensively in his high voltage coils when he talks about voltage break down of the insulators of the coils.


Small cells have the benefit that they are small so less material necessary.


Using the technique of "oxidized layers" on top of the electrodes do help with the cost of increase internal resistance and diminished flow of current BUT excellent recovery process of its internal energy stored which again is very small storage space so the small cell presents small amounts of power but one can scale to have it large enough to run small loads such as LEDs.


Now, one not so obvious relation that exists on the small dry cells is that they are EXTREMELY sensitive to the external load behavior. Which means that adding a kind of "Oscillator" or device that has variable internal resistance also can be in synchronicity with the internal resistance of the crystal cell and therefore have an exponential increase in energy output but simply having them, the cell and the load, talking the same "Language" or working in sync (resonance).


Peltier are doing just that, they are using the differential in temperature as its load. The external energy we extract is just free for the taking but what makes it happen is the temperature differential being the "load itself". So the Peltier cell can convert one form of energy into another without corroding.


My next experiment has been in finding that combination of insulation, resistance (or conductivity) and store power for the next generation of crystal cells.


If you are interested in running experiments and trying to scale this up, come and participate. This is an amazing complex field of research and very doable by "monkey scientists" such as me and many others.


Since I am the moderator, I will advice to focus on the subject because I will simply delete what is not relevant if that becomes necessary.


Again, very soon I will be posting more info and data and my findings.


Fausto.

ibpointless2:
Hi Plengo!


Great to see you still working on crystal cells!  :)


If you don't mind I might post some of my finding's here.


I think I've found a way to keep from adding water to alum cells but still allow them to have high amps.


So much testing, so little time.

plengo:
Hey IB,


you are welcome. So let's thinker together.


Fausto.

plengo:

In my pursue to protect the Magnesium electrode I thought the following, water seams to be essential for power to manifest, in excess diminishes the effect (current and voltage and low internal resistance), too little also diminishes the effect, in equilibrium, effect is permanent.


Although having the water and being able to control the output of power one looses the electrode by normally known as galvanic or chemical reaction or destructive reaction, all meaning that something is to be lost, in my case, Magnesium.  Other metals perform very little different with the exception of the rate of corrosion, i prefer call it, oxidation artifact.


Alum has presented the benefit of increase the power and not be in the way of electric flow of energy. It is also a crystal that grows strongly, unfortunately it will completely react or cause to react with the Magnesium, WHEN both are in a liquid contact.


First test was to crystallize a layer of Alum, Epson salts and MnO2. Alum will "eat" the Mg and at that same place MnO2 will react and absorb the leaving Hydrogen (I hope my chemistry is hearting you) while being much heavier in a liquid solution (MnO2+H) of the above components, it sediments on the new about to Oxidize "hole" caused by the reaction of Alum + Mg, and doing that it no longer allows Alum to react with that space again, BUT , MnO2 will not stop Alum of growing above it. This layer above Mg is conductive. I am also experimenting other formulas for that layer like for example, adding Iron Pyrite to it, decreasing then the "internal resistance" of the whole cell.


Epson salts at a longer term provides Water molecules to the starving crystal mix but in high bonds with solids therefore not visible to Mg.


The crystallization process worked very well. Mg became impermeable to water at that area but with a little problem, to form a good crystalline layer it would take me way too long, so I accelerated the test for preliminary results. It is impermeable to a very low density of water. Too much water would eventually destroy the layer and cause eventually the electrode to be corroded.


At very little water density at that area, electric conduction is very good, around 2 ma per 2 cm Square at a nominal voltage of 1 v.


The other electrodes (Copper, Nickel, Lead) seams to not present ANY corrosion or side effects, specially coins of 1 cent from 1979 or older. Copper seams to get darker but no sediments neither sulfates (blues and greens), just dirty and still very conductive. Lead no visible distinctions.


Results so far are encouraging. Crystallizing the surface of the Mg would be very interesting if achieved since it would create a conductive layer that retains water in "dry form" (Alum).


Fausto.

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