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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #270 on: September 28, 2014, 09:32:08 PM »
Fausto:   Here is the latest.  I changed the line stile and shut off the pointing style to clear up the line to see what is going on.  Also hooked up my first cell before this one to a 100 ohm load and it is around .960 volts.  I will let this one run and see how it does.  I have the same mix in the cell but different style of plates.  Did you watch the video yet.  I would like to here your comments on what he is doing.  This is where I got my info on these new cells. 

David


David I have seen that video and ALL his videos. Very impressive his work. Actually it is because HIS work I really got involved in this cell research.


Many of his graphs and explanations go very inline with my findings except with the thermo tests because I don't have means to use a calorimeter.


For example, the cell has its self-charging which does not pass a limit and therefore indeed works are a current source and not as a voltage source. With many resistor values the response IS DIFFERENT in a not similar manner, in other words, voltage does not become linear as expected to the ration of resistance but the current.


THe voltage shooting high really fast also happens with my cells when adding water at different times and then the cell stabilizes really quick which is very interesting his explanation why (matrix of diapoles aligning at the same time creating an adding effect of voltage - mini batteries in series inside).


Cell does fluctuate in power with time but constantly same average even though it is a constant source of power.


There are many other similarities with his graphs and my finding but I don't remember all now.




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Re: Crystal Cell Research
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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #271 on: September 29, 2014, 01:44:42 AM »
@David,


I am curious, what is the dimensions of your cell and weight? Can you share a picture of it?


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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #272 on: September 29, 2014, 04:05:31 AM »
I am posting this link again.  I didn't receive any comments about it.  This is where I got most of my ideas on this latest cell.  I think he has some important ideas!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7y8ek9aASQ

David

Thanks David!

 I've been to Marcus' website, but never seen the video.. I watched part 3 and in there he talks about how he would like to try different silicates.. then he says that he uses a group that has 150.. after googling I found that group is Zeolite!!

Some zeolites we already know, but some I didn't.  Here is a list of some of the zeolites that look promising!

quartz, calcite, scolecite, clinoptilolite, pryrite, thenardite (sodium sulfate), halite (rock salt), and erionite.  There are 40 natural zeolites!

I bet Marcus uses one or more of these that I listed above.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #273 on: September 29, 2014, 09:17:23 AM »
Okay.. I've compiled a list of about 130 Zeolites.  I bold the ones I thought looked good.. anyone want to go through the list and mark any others that might be good?

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #274 on: September 29, 2014, 03:17:38 PM »
Hi again:  here is the latest results of the cell across 100 ohm load.

Thanks 4tesla for your research and info.  I will look at it.  When I saw his 2nd video I started to research some of his papers and found some where on the net a paper he wrote where he stated he used the sodium meta silicate.  This was an older paper so I am sure he has refined the formula since it was written.  But I thought it was a major find and that is why I built this cell using that compound.  It looks like it has paid off.  Not sure now if the pentahydrate part of it is a plus or not.  I saw that in the msds sheet I looked up after the fact.  It wasn't stated that way on the package.  It just said sodium meta silicate.  Maybe it is a plus because it was stated that it has some corrosion benefits. That is defiantly a benefit! 

Fausto:  I don't have a camera yet but I will next month.  Will maybe try my hand at Hollywood productions as you do. But I will as soon as I am through with this post cad cam up a drawing.  Been meaning to do so anyway!  I will post it in a little while.  Thanks for your input as well as all the others.  I am going to make another cell after I post the drawing.  I am pleased with the results as you will see with the latest graph.  At least I think it is good.  You may look at it and say.....oh my I think it is dying by my experience!  So your input will be greatly appreciated.  May not make the second cell.  Depends on your response.  Thanks again. 

David

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« Reply #275 on: September 29, 2014, 04:51:45 PM »
Here is the construction diagram of the crystal cell.  It isn't perfect and I didn't follow the normal drafting rules but just did the best with what I had and the fastest.  Don't as of yet have all my needed tools to produce better results.  Maybe in future. Included both metric and English  units.  cell made out of standard 3 inch pvc pipe.  All aluminum plates connected together, and all copper plates connected together.  Forgot to include on diagram at the bottom on each side of the aluminum plates except for the two outside ones I glued at the bottom a 1/4 inch insulated spacer then the bolts at the top have nuts spaced to secure the plates to the bolt and space the plates at the same time.  Hope this all makes sense!

David

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #276 on: September 29, 2014, 05:14:48 PM »
Don't forget to electroplate the aluminum oxide coating on the aluminum plates before you install plates in container.  Also heat up the copper plates until they are cherry red then let cool.  Don't remove the black coating by putting in borax solution.  Just let them cool. I do both operations with the cells bolted and spaced then I slide them between each other and install in the container then mix the compound and pore.  I am using you know 1/2 portland cement and 1/2 sodium meta silicate by weight and mixing with the sodium hydroxide solution to a slurry good enough to pore in between plates.  Solution is 1/2 tsp per 4oz distilled water by volume.  I mix up enough solution to do all the poring at once, that way the solution concentration is the same for the batch.  The same if you are making more that one cell.  I did this for my 10 cells I made a while ago and they all came out with in a few thousands of a volt of each other.  I measured them the other day and they are still all close to each other and setting at around 1.25 volts.  Made them a month ago.

Note:  Make the aluminum plate positive and use a carbon rod for the negative.  I use a small ups 12 battery for the supply in a solution of borax and distilled water for 1/2 hour.  After that time you will see a thick coating on the aluminum about 1/16 of an inch.  Try not to disturb this coating.  I let dry on a paper towel for a while while I am making the copper plate assembly.  Then gently slide together and install in container,  then pore.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #277 on: September 29, 2014, 05:19:10 PM »
@David,  (update: ops only now I notice your 2 previous posts with dimension - thank you)[/size]


I need to know the dimensions of your cell that will tell me how much power it has and how long it should maintain the up move of the curve.


"Don't lick before it drops", my wife says that all the time to me. Your curve is excellent so far, fluctuations are actually good. Think, it cannot grow indefinitely because that would certainly mean a corrosion effect. The correct cell should reach a plato for its current constant linear load (resistor) and fluctuate up and down since then indefinitely.


If it keeps only rising and the cell size dictates the limit we would be in the wrong direction at part. That's why it is crucial to know the dimension and weight and how tick are the metals specially.


Don't freak out when it starts going down abruptly that does not mean much yet either. I have many cells that goes like the and they come back to be like waves in the middle of the ocean, which is great.


Since the curve you have based on the number of samples (seconds), I can see it has a very slow possible corrosion and indeed it could be eating up the aluminum oxide layer through and reaching the aluminum. Opening the cells in one month will have to be done. I know it hurts to do that.


So, create about 10 cells JUST LIKE THAT ONE. Keep it off meters and every so OFTEN right it down its voltage to 3 digits at least. Later you destroy one of those cells in one month and see inside. Next on the second month the second cell and so forth until all are gone and you can see a possible rate of corrosion OR NOT (hopefully).


Corrosion does not mean a bad cell per see. Constant corrosion is the problem. We will always have initial corrosion because the initial water content.


Now to Marcus Reid videos. He clearly says (in the video you posted in particular) that the WATER MOLECULES THAT ALIGNING are the ones that gives that VOLTAGE and consequently the current BUT the current does not comes from ions movement, so where that current comes from?


He also says (a lot) "vibration" and even gigahertz of frequencies from the environment heat and quantum fluctuation. That is the Quartz function (zeolites?) That vibration causes the water molecules to release its "electrons" and the next "matrix polarized molecule" attracts it and continues the "electron" flow. The two "diode" layers provides one more guarantee of directional flow of electrons instead of just random flows.


The water retention IS THE PENTAHYDRATE, so it is indeed helping you instead of not helping. Sodium silicate (water glass) is very electrostatic. Look at the experiment from Lord Kelvin with the water streams and metal buckets (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr1w2nTfWYY). Try to "understand" where the energy for the sparks (thousands of volts) comes from. Some would say from the air, others from both water and air friction. I would say from water only. Which the cells do something similar inside.


Fausto.



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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #278 on: September 29, 2014, 05:41:16 PM »
Don't forget to electroplate the aluminum oxide coating on the aluminum plates before you install plates in container.  Also heat up the copper plates until they are cherry red then let cool.  Don't remove the black coating by putting in borax solution.  Just let them cool. I do both operations with rthe cells bolted and spaced then I slide them between each other and install in the container then mix the compound and pore.  I am using you know 1/2 portland cement and 1/2 sodium meta silicate by weight and mixing with the sodium hydroxide solution to a slurry good enough to pore in between plates.  Solution is 1/2 tsp per 4oz distilled water by volume.  I mix up enough solution to do all the poring at once, that way the solution concentration is the same for the batch.  The same if you are making more that one cell.  I did this for my 10 cells I made a while ago and they all came out with in a few thousands of a volt of each other.  I measured them the other day and they are still all close to each other and setting at around 1.25 volts.  Made them a month ago.

Note:  Make the aluminum plate positive and use a carbon rod for the negative.  I use a small ups 12 battery for the supply in a solution of borax and distilled water for 1/2 hour.  After that time you will see a thick coating on the aluminum about 1/16 of an inch.  Try not to disturb this coating.  I let dry on a paper towel for a while while I am making the copper plate assembly.  Then gently slide together and install in container,  then pore.

David


Excellent thank you.


So, your cell is pretty much the same dimensions as mine with the exception that your cell is double the width of mine. You are also putting ONE CELL with many inside cells in parallel explaining the excellent current output you have and since this cell is a "current source" it will hold pretty well the voltage you have.


I would guarantee you that 5 of those ONE CELL will light up an LED super bright, cudos to you. :)


So you mix the portland cement with the remaining electrolyte into one big mix and pour it on the cell? hmmmm.


I did some electrolysis as you did once (with different compounds) and it is the cell I have on the video with a 25watts light. I notice at the time the coating of orange/black color that formed over the magnesium and copper metals. That cell was wonderful in its power output. BUT it eventually dried out and not even water would work any more. I decided for now not go into that field.


BUT, you ARE IN THAT FIELD which is awesome. Let's work on that now then.


Try creating one more cell too and let is dry, measure its voltage open and closed with a 100 ohm resistor (the open voltage will helps to find out the internal resistance later). After one week try to put a few drops of water (now on the graph) and see the response curve. Send me that response please.


You don't have to do all this now, it is too much work, just keep in mind that experiment. This will tells us the following:


- Increasing rate of corrosion because water insertion and cell absorption rate of water ratio.
- Response of change in internal resistance
- See if cell will in the end of absorbing the water will continue AS IF THE WATER NEVER WAS THERE. The same linear decay with the exception of the "bump" of when adding the water. This tells me the sensitiveness of the cell and if it indeed needs adding water with time.


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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #279 on: September 29, 2014, 06:05:13 PM »
Hi David,

Thanks for the detailed instructions and drawings.  I do think that pentahydrate is a big plus, otherwise the formula is just like Sodium Silicate.

I can't wait to start experimenting with these materials.

Thanks,
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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #280 on: September 29, 2014, 07:23:46 PM »
The two "diode" layers provides one more guarantee of directional flow of electrons instead of just random flows.

These diode layers.. is that just oxide coating?

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #281 on: September 29, 2014, 07:34:47 PM »
These diode layers.. is that just oxide coating?


I have no idea. I was just re-saying what he said.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #282 on: September 29, 2014, 07:54:32 PM »

I have no idea. I was just re-saying what he said.

I think it is.. I was looking at how to make homemade diodes and oxidizing is a method mentioned.

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« Reply #283 on: September 29, 2014, 09:55:45 PM »
Yes:  about the diodes.  That is what I did after watching the videos!  I went on the internet and looked up how to make the old style selenium diodes and noticed they mentioned a aluminum oxide diode as well.  very low voltage but high current.  So I looked up how to deposit the oxide on the aluminum.. Was trying a aluminum powder but having trouble figuring out how to bind it to the aluminum and get conduction.  Did not want binder to reduce conduction so I used the electrolysis method...  You will be really surprised after 1/2 hour with 12 volts how thick it becomes.  Almost can measure with ruler.  Ha!

Thanks for your info.  I will work on your suggestions.

David. 

 

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #284 on: September 29, 2014, 10:18:56 PM »
4Tesla:  Yes the diode layers he talkes about in the video is the oxide coating. If you remember in the bedini videos on his crystal cells he always heated the copper to get the red oxide coating.  You are doing the same thing with the aluminum but with electrolysis instead.  before you get any oxide coating on the aluminum by heating I think it will melt.  That is what it did for me.  But being impatient as I am I used a blow torch!!   

 

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