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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #180 on: August 29, 2014, 06:54:03 AM »
Hi Fausto,
look at Robert Murray-Smith on Youtube.
He had a successful Indigogo campaign and is now selling his
ink.
Well he delivered for 10 GBPounds some ink in his campaign.

Well people want something in return for their donations I guess
nowadays.

Maybe you can make it much cheaper by not putting it into this resin
and just sell these cells with a hardwired LED in a cheap case ?

Bedinis Alaun Battery LED thing was just too expensive at 200 US$,
okay, it was also a bit more complicated to make, but here
we just want a crystall cell that lasts...

A friend of mine, just did a combination of a selfmade copperoxid - magnesium solarcell
which can put out around 200 to 900 MilliVolts, depending on the
solar light, but works more like a light chargeable capacitor with a crystal battery effect
included, so producing also power in darkness....only the current still has to be raised,
cause it is still only in the mikroamps range...
so there is progress on all sides...

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #180 on: August 29, 2014, 06:54:03 AM »

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #181 on: August 29, 2014, 01:39:38 PM »
If your still looking for castolite Maybe you should talk to the people at Smoothon.com they have it under a different name "Crystal clear". They have a lot of stuff even a aluminum resin for making heat sinks.
  A trick I used to employ to cut down casting costs is to use fillers. Since I made my own molds using fillers became a big money saver in making the molds and product. Reducing the materials sometimes down 25 percent,I even recycled the waste as filler to avoid being hit with a local waste tax. It pissed off the county tax people which just made it all the more fun. Just follow the safety instructions of the products some repeated chemical exposures leave you hyper sensitive to exposures of other chemicals.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #182 on: August 29, 2014, 02:15:04 PM »
Nearly free bottle caps? Go to where the beer is consumed in large amounts, Colleges ,dorms ,bars, and make an offer or attach in some way to sponsor donations to a cause like the wounded worrier fund or to some illness for bottle caps donated buy the pound. You and your wife will be up to eyeballs in bottle caps. Make up some Jars and slot the lid big enough for bottle caps to fit in and find some stores to let you place them on the counter. Cancer is always a good cause. You might even get a company like coke or pepsi to help promote it or Sam Adams or who ever.
 Hay if people will dump ice water on themselves plus donate money I think you can pull off getting bottle caps for free.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #182 on: August 29, 2014, 02:15:04 PM »
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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #183 on: August 31, 2014, 04:19:05 AM »
Hi Fausto,
look at Robert Murray-Smith on Youtube.
He had a successful Indigogo campaign and is now selling his
ink.
Well he delivered for 10 GBPounds some ink in his campaign.

Well people want something in return for their donations I guess
nowadays.

Maybe you can make it much cheaper by not putting it into this resin
and just sell these cells with a hardwired LED in a cheap case ?

Bedinis Alaun Battery LED thing was just too expensive at 200 US$,
okay, it was also a bit more complicated to make, but here
we just want a crystall cell that lasts...

A friend of mine, just did a combination of a selfmade copperoxid - magnesium solarcell
which can put out around 200 to 900 MilliVolts, depending on the
solar light, but works more like a light chargeable capacitor with a crystal battery effect
included, so producing also power in darkness....only the current still has to be raised,
cause it is still only in the mikroamps range...
so there is progress on all sides...

Regards, Stefan.


Hi Stefan,


I will again create a indigogo fund page but later when I have the product available so that people will have in what to believe in their hands.


Concerning a cheaper solution for the resin is that I NEED a total confinement of the cell without air or water entering the cell. THAT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.


So my solution was the resin that makes the cell super durable (almost indestructible which people loves) and allow it to run for a lonnnnnnnng time, besides, if the cell is open to the environment I will have to hear the naysayers that the cell is absorbing moist from the air and therefore the cell is galvanic. The cell is only galvanic on the first week of formation after that she is a beauty.


Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #184 on: August 31, 2014, 05:00:05 AM »

Hi Stefan,


I will again create a indigogo fund page but later when I have the product available so that people will have in what to believe in their hands.


Concerning a cheaper solution for the resin is that I NEED a total confinement of the cell without air or water entering the cell. THAT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.


So my solution was the resin that makes the cell super durable (almost indestructible which people loves) and allow it to run for a lonnnnnnnng time, besides, if the cell is open to the environment I will have to hear the naysayers that the cell is absorbing moist from the air and therefore the cell is galvanic. The cell is only galvanic on the first week of formation after that she is a beauty.


Fausto.


 Yeah I found that after the growth time for the crystals that there was little galvanic action as well but my cell never went past the begining stages. I went to the oscillator to experiment with to run from the cell and never really picked it back up. My version used not so active materials like aluminum and graphite. Not in the right proportions either. You have to balance the masses in my version to retain the materials.


 The aluminum wire was heated and sprayed with borax, this formed a dry foam like coating. Then I baked it till it was golden brown. This creates a base crystal structure and when you put the aluminum wire into the crystal bath of alum borax and potassium it solidifies into a nice crystal structure that gets very clear and shinny on the aluminum. Once I let it set I start using the oscillator more and more to build a proper energy flow.


 One mistake I made was to make the gap between the center graphite and the aluminum wire coil was too big and alot of crystal had to be formed and took way over a month to solidify fully. Using a smaller gap would decrease the solidity phase and increase the capacitance. My version came out to a volt but seem to get stronger current wise as the crystal formed, not in voltage but current capability.


 The formula also included Epsom salts to give it pure water to form the other crystals with. No tap water was used on the recipe but I parboiled the glass jar I made the cell in and I assume the steam helped hydrate the mix a bit. I want to try the magnesium graphite or copper unit to see if it still works but magnesium is protected differently.


 One interesting thing I found out about using graphite is that the crystals started growing into the graphite and that increases the surface area of the graphite. This could be the reason for the growth but I'll have to look into that more when I get back to experimenting with the cells again.


 I hope everything goes well this time with the gogo plan Plengo. Having product to give out will only help the cause and might work really well to get the product out there and in the hands of the public. Word of mouth is the best seller of all.


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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #184 on: August 31, 2014, 05:00:05 AM »
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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #185 on: August 31, 2014, 09:13:48 AM »
Hi Plengo,

I'm doing crystal power cell research and haven't been able to keep the cells going without using soluble crystal materials which absorb moisture from the air.  Are you using soluble materials?  Are you sealing in moisture?

If you can't answer because it might reveal your secrets, that is okay.

Thanks,
4Tesla

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #186 on: September 01, 2014, 01:14:19 AM »
Hi Plengo,

I'm doing crystal power cell research and haven't been able to keep the cells going without using soluble crystal materials which absorb moisture from the air.  Are you using soluble materials?  Are you sealing in moisture?

If you can't answer because it might reveal your secrets, that is okay.

Thanks,
4Tesla


Solutions that absorb water is your best and worst enemy. The crystal structure NEEDS water to grow and I think the crystal is the generator of the energy with the plates only being a catalyst providing the voltage differential.


Now, if you lock the AIR OUT, you will be able to minimize corrosion extensively.


Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #186 on: September 01, 2014, 01:14:19 AM »
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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #187 on: September 01, 2014, 01:18:07 AM »

 Yeah I found that after the growth time for the crystals that there was little galvanic action as well but my cell never went past the begining stages. I went to the oscillator to experiment with to run from the cell and never really picked it back up. My version used not so active materials like aluminum and graphite. Not in the right proportions either. You have to balance the masses in my version to retain the materials.


 The aluminum wire was heated and sprayed with borax, this formed a dry foam like coating. Then I baked it till it was golden brown. This creates a base crystal structure and when you put the aluminum wire into the crystal bath of alum borax and potassium it solidifies into a nice crystal structure that gets very clear and shinny on the aluminum. Once I let it set I start using the oscillator more and more to build a proper energy flow.


 One mistake I made was to make the gap between the center graphite and the aluminum wire coil was too big and alot of crystal had to be formed and took way over a month to solidify fully. Using a smaller gap would decrease the solidity phase and increase the capacitance. My version came out to a volt but seem to get stronger current wise as the crystal formed, not in voltage but current capability.


 The formula also included Epsom salts to give it pure water to form the other crystals with. No tap water was used on the recipe but I parboiled the glass jar I made the cell in and I assume the steam helped hydrate the mix a bit. I want to try the magnesium graphite or copper unit to see if it still works but magnesium is protected differently.


 One interesting thing I found out about using graphite is that the crystals started growing into the graphite and that increases the surface area of the graphite. This could be the reason for the growth but I'll have to look into that more when I get back to experimenting with the cells again.


 I hope everything goes well this time with the gogo plan Plengo. Having product to give out will only help the cause and might work really well to get the product out there and in the hands of the public. Word of mouth is the best seller of all.


Would be able to make a video of your cell? It seams very interesting your process.

Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #188 on: September 01, 2014, 02:57:43 AM »

Solutions that absorb water is your best and worst enemy. The crystal structure NEEDS water to grow and I think the crystal is the generator of the energy with the plates only being a catalyst providing the voltage differential.


Now, if you lock the AIR OUT, you will be able to minimize corrosion extensively.


Fausto.

Thanks Fausto!

You have a working sealed crystal cell?  If so, that is very good news!

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #189 on: September 01, 2014, 06:35:55 PM »
Thanks Fausto!

You have a working sealed crystal cell?  If so, that is very good news!


YES, YES and YES. She is a beauty. Not strong but enough for in the night bother you.


It is VERY TRICKY to make the resin work correctly. I don't know why YET but I am testing how to get there correctly.


I will make a video soon showing this ONE cell working so well. I am actually a little uncomfortable to show her because it is not much light, but believe me, she is running very, very well.


Sometimes things happened by chance and I was lucky to get that one right at first because many tries are not working.


BUT I am learning something very important, it is necessary to let the cell's crystal structure to grow first, stop the initial corrosion and only then seal it.


Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #190 on: September 01, 2014, 09:29:10 PM »

YES, YES and YES. She is a beauty. Not strong but enough for in the night bother you.


It is VERY TRICKY to make the resin work correctly. I don't know why YET but I am testing how to get there correctly.


I will make a video soon showing this ONE cell working so well. I am actually a little uncomfortable to show her because it is not much light, but believe me, she is running very, very well.


Sometimes things happened by chance and I was lucky to get that one right at first because many tries are not working.


BUT I am learning something very important, it is necessary to let the cell's crystal structure to grow first, stop the initial corrosion and only then seal it.


Fausto.

Fausto:

If it is not needed for your sealing material to be transparent, you can just use regular epoxy that would be a fraction of the cost.  Although, your final product may look better with the clear resin, but if it is just for sealing reasons, larger quantities of epoxy are available at a reasonable cost.  Folks that supply aircraft builders and surfboard makers are a good place to start.  Those folks use it by the gallon and even 5 gallon containers.

Bill

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #191 on: September 02, 2014, 06:27:20 PM »

YES, YES and YES. She is a beauty. Not strong but enough for in the night bother you.


It is VERY TRICKY to make the resin work correctly. I don't know why YET but I am testing how to get there correctly.


I will make a video soon showing this ONE cell working so well. I am actually a little uncomfortable to show her because it is not much light, but believe me, she is running very, very well.


Sometimes things happened by chance and I was lucky to get that one right at first because many tries are not working.


BUT I am learning something very important, it is necessary to let the cell's crystal structure to grow first, stop the initial corrosion and only then seal it.


Fausto.


 Yes all of my work had a growth period once grown it has limits as well. Being sealed is something I did not work with although my crystal cells were open ended on one side (the glass jar). I tried it like that to prove to myself that in a dielectric it would work like normal and it does. In my opinion the crystal structure creates a barrier that is perfect for the metal being used. It grows along the natural in and outs of the metal object suspended in the fluid. We are merely drawing from the standing voltage of the metal object in relation to the other electrode. And losses in the fluid or crystals will hamper the output so using conductive crystals enhances the power output. Using this kind of batter is best with pulsing circuits with a duty cycle of 50% or less. This allows for the metal to rebalance to the standing voltage better and last much longer. Protecting that metal is of the utmost importance for lifespan and I think you did a bangup job of figuring out what protects very active magnesium. Aluminum seems to like borax as a protective coating as I have found out. Although my standing voltage was of a smaller span of about 1 volt. This would be a better cell because the current is lower and aluminum is cheaper and lighter then magnesium.


 I am not saying you cell isn't worth it but only saying it would be cheaper and way lighter. Also aluminum is sold in foils and that would be the best product to use in this process. Graphite can come on sheets that are sprayed and aligned by voltage stimulation while the paper or plastic is used as a base. I would recommend paper products like towels because they will allow fluid to pass in the formation or growth period. Using a light load like an oscillated led circuit is best because as the crystals are forming any irregularities are smoothed out by the agitation of the pulsed Draw from the aluminum or magnesium. You could also think of it like this. When they pour cement they agitate it by vibrators to expel water and get a tighter pack of the sand. This would be the same procedure but used for uniformity of the formed crystals protecting the metal electrode. To save space one could paint or airbrush both sides of the spacer dielectric used, porous or not. A dual layer electrode would be best because of the way the crystals grow from the metal electrode and sink into the graphite spacer dielectric. Graphite sheets are easy to find now as well and making them could be as easy as using a graphite ink in a printer. So cells would become dual cells with liquid only for that cell pair. Then you could parallel many pairs to increase the current capabilities.


 I do have to say if you beat the magnesium decay issue that is a major break to making cells last way longer with highly reactive metal like magnesium. I remember you showing the making of sealed units. If that is the same thing then Bravo to you! Share and lets start making this place a better world.


 Also you are very right in knowing when to halt the cells production of crystal structure. Too much and it breaks through the barrier that I described. To little and the metal looses integrity or decays. oxygen seems to be the culprit here and sealing the unit will make it better in the long run. The crystalline barrier I am talking about is an oxide of the metal which will eat a small portion to construct the barrier. Once it is formed the metal stays perfect. We need to manage the time spent on growing and conditioning the cells for better power production.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #192 on: September 02, 2014, 08:03:11 PM »
Reference to NCP1400, NCP1402 voltage multiplier regulator;

http://www.overunity.com/6123/joule-thief/16600/#.VAYEpcW-2dk




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« Reply #193 on: September 03, 2014, 01:48:09 AM »
Reference to NCP1400, NCP1402 voltage multiplier regulator;

http://www.overunity.com/6123/joule-thief/16600/#.VAYEpcW-2dk

I am using the 1402 now and it is great!  This will output 3.3 volts and run a battery down to .3 volts.  The only catch is, it will not start below .8 volts but, if you leave it running it will stay on down to .3 volts.  I am using the assembled board available from sparkfun, that way I did not have to try to solder those very, very tiny chips.  I give this board a huge thumbs up.

Bill

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #194 on: September 07, 2014, 08:41:47 PM »
I am using the 1402 now and it is great!  This will output 3.3 volts and run a battery down to .3 volts.  The only catch is, it will not start below .8 volts but, if you leave it running it will stay on down to .3 volts.  I am using the assembled board available from sparkfun, that way I did not have to try to solder those very, very tiny chips.  I give this board a huge thumbs up.

Bill


Would you be willing to build me a few and sell me? I would like to test them in my cells.


And why Pirate88179?


Fausto.

 

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