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Offline plengo

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #165 on: August 27, 2014, 06:41:00 AM »
Well if you guys are correct about not having a patent and not in danger of being obliged to stop selling my cells, I guess I will make a few products and sell it on ebay.


You guys will be my first clients and let me know if it indeed work as I think it does.


I am looking for ONE more metal supplier that can give me a .1 mm thickness sheet and I am good to manufacture some nice "flash lights" (although they don't flash, only keeps on).


The resin I used is the most expensive of all. I am paying now about $60 per gallon which is very expensive. It is called polydyne 5061. If anyone knows where to get this cheap, let me know. This resin is the same used by artists when embedding things inside a kind of liquid glass stuff.


Another question: I want to start a new thread for serious replicators and researches. Not just getting the cake and eating. I want at least 3 guys with a equipment and desire to test extensively into a progressive point where I am.


I want the documentation of each step so that ALL in a collective mind understand the process and also improve it.


I am not talking about just people reading, I need real doers, at least 3 presenting data. My goal is to start from ZERO, into each step I went and understand the data results and improve it with more chances of improving than just me. 3 guys means at least 10 different ways of testing at once, instead of me testing one formula every 3 months.


I indeed think I got it but I am not sure my monkey science will glue with experts here. It would be great if a chemist is involved.


The equipment is very cheap: old computer, radio shack meter with usb connection (it comes with the software), coffee grinder and simple things. The data collection is of extreme importance, specially the graphs of power output (volts x amps x resistance).




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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #165 on: August 27, 2014, 06:41:00 AM »

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #166 on: August 27, 2014, 07:50:27 AM »

The resin I used is the most expensive of all. I am paying now about $60 per gallon which is very expensive. It is called polydyne 5061. If anyone knows where to get this cheap, let me know. This resin is the same used by artists when embedding things inside a kind of liquid glass stuff.


Fausto.


When I google "polydyne 5061"   99% of the referenced websites have a .br country code


In the US the stuff is called castolite resin  castolite.com and creates a kind of lucite plastic that
is both very tough and clear.
What would now be called "maker industries" use this stuff extensively.
One way to reduce costs would be to use standard epoxy resin for most of the device then
use castolite plastic for just the
optical part. Prices for the equivalent stuff here look about the same though.


Products like these lights can be sold at "Maker Faires" that are held once a year in various cities,
again here.


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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #167 on: August 27, 2014, 05:20:24 PM »

When I google "polydyne 5061"   99% of the referenced websites have a .br country code


In the US the stuff is called castolite resin  castolite.com and creates a kind of lucite plastic that
is both very tough and clear.
What would now be called "maker industries" use this stuff extensively.
One way to reduce costs would be to use standard epoxy resin for most of the device then
use castolite plastic for just the
optical part. Prices for the equivalent stuff here look about the same though.


Products like these lights can be sold at "Maker Faires" that are held once a year in various cities,
again here.


:S:MarkSCoffman


Thank  you very much. It is this kind of help that I desperately need. I am also looking for a kind of metal similar to beer caps can, that little think on the top of beer glass bottles (like this:  https://www.google.com/search?q=beer+tops&tbm=isch&imgil=zewyeZOXgIjtiM%253A%253B-1s71UvZX_XVoM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fthatcleverchick.com%25252Ftag%25252Fnecklace%25252F&source=iu&fir=zewyeZOXgIjtiM%253A%252C-1s71UvZX_XVoM%252C_&usg=__un60324BKTNDj31pXoIjqvCHPj0%3D&sa=X&ei=0_b9U4OECdK6ogT5pIHwAw&ved=0CC0Q9QEwAA&biw=1440&bih=795)


I need to find out what is that metal and where I can find it in bulks. If possible even in a to order manufacturing shapes and thickness.


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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #167 on: August 27, 2014, 05:20:24 PM »
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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #168 on: August 27, 2014, 05:46:20 PM »
plengo,

Thanks.
If you can use the two step casting process, that supplier may be a repackager in a particular sale's territory. He probably has alternate
resins with altered optical properties for a lower cost. Check with them. Lucite plastic => Polycarbonate plastic like in clear BIC pen barrels.

I would try to go with an initial price of $30 -> $40 a device piece quantity one. This will let people who want one, to get one
but demand quantity production before getting quantity prices. Don't want to price too low initially. EBAY bidding-up is interesting but
you want a fixed price for non-bidding markets.

Please checkout etsy.com as a place to sell products too.

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checking bottle caps.


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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #169 on: August 27, 2014, 06:02:36 PM »
plengo,

Thanks.
If you can use the two step casting process, that supplier may be a repackager in a particular sale's territory. He probably has alternate
resins with altered optical properties for a lower cost. Check with them. Lucite plastic => Polycarbonate plastic like in clear BIC pen barrels.

I would try to go with an initial price of $30 -> $40 a device piece quantity one. This will let people who want one, to get one
but demand quantity production before getting quantity prices. Don't want to price too low initially. EBAY bidding-up is interesting but
you want a fixed price for non-bidding markets.

Please checkout etsy.com as a place to sell products too.

---

checking bottle caps.


:S:MarkSCofffman


Thanks again. I don't know yet what price to charge. I was thinking something in the ball park of $20-$30, but to be fair,


WHAT WOULD PEOPLE HERE IN THE FORUM would be willing to pay for a small light of dimensions 3 1/2", 2", 2", rectangle shape with an LED of the possible colors: White, Blue, Orange, Green (the best) and blinking red/green/blue?


The light will be enough to really bother you when sleeping in the night besides your bed (my wife hates them because they are very bright).


Off course the income will be very appreciated for continuing my research.


Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #169 on: August 27, 2014, 06:02:36 PM »
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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #170 on: August 27, 2014, 06:34:18 PM »
BTW,


as soon as I get some resin (which I ordered last week from ebay), I will make a nice cell and video recorded so that everyone will see what will be my first rude prototype for sell.

Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #171 on: August 27, 2014, 08:33:42 PM »
You should study user lasersabers laserhacker.com experience with his tesla-torch on Ebay and with
his website teslamaker.com. I would go that route because it gets you a higher incentive to keep producing
these. Please keep applying profit to the next volume increment. Don't get "addicted" to ebay bidding though,
open these up to fixed pricing (high) after a given time period or volume.

I want one for ~$100 USD maybe two.

Hold on to your hat plengo -> This will be like the transistor-radio and Beatles rolled into one.

I'm still studying these bottle caps basically steel with a lot of unnecessary layers due to food
processing support. Tool and die stamping machine required, so size or shape alteration would
be expensive.

:S:MarkSCoffman


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Re: Crystal Cell Research
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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #172 on: August 28, 2014, 02:34:11 AM »

Thanks again. I don't know yet what price to charge. I was thinking something in the ball park of $20-$30, but to be fair,


WHAT WOULD PEOPLE HERE IN THE FORUM would be willing to pay for a small light of dimensions 3 1/2", 2", 2", rectangle shape with an LED of the possible colors: White, Blue, Orange, Green (the best) and blinking red/green/blue?


The light will be enough to really bother you when sleeping in the night besides your bed (my wife hates them because they are very bright).


Off course the income will be very appreciated for continuing my research.


Fausto.

Fausto:

A good place to begin with pricing is 3 times your actual costs...and this means everything added into making a unit, including your time.  So, if you can make a single unit for $20 then sell it for $60.  You can even go a little higher as you can always lower the price, not so easy to raise it once it is out there.  Now, when you get to any kind of "production" even on a small scale, there will be savings...like buying materials in bulk, learning how to make a unit faster (and even better)  You can then lower your price accordingly and still have your margin.

Best of luck to you on this project.  Some folks think we should never make a profit...I say, that if we make some money, then we can afford to experiment more and offer even better products in the future.  Selling your units at a "break even" will not allow you to stay alive and pay your bills while working on the next great thing.

Bill

PS  I am working through all of this same stuff in an attempt to bring my magnetic battery connectors to the market.  I am doing everything myself and it takes a while.  Once I finalize packaging, I will introduce them to the market.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #173 on: August 28, 2014, 09:19:32 PM »
@mscoffman and @Pirate88179

thank you for your GREAT insight and help.


I was wondering today, how much really believers are people in this (and other) forums about free energy? I have been asking for funds on my videos for years and ZERO (except one gentleman that gave me $5 bucks) funds given from anyone.


Now many wants this totally open source. Hmmmmmm.


I am kind of thinking that this is not fair really to me. Not even people willing to really test stuff and research with me seriously.


To those (specially you too Pirate88179 and mscoffman - because of your active participation with great insights) I will give you more than just 2 for the price you named. Some extras to your friends too.


I am planning in using all the income, for now, of the cells towards materials for this research. I got to an excellent place, but, there is much more to go.


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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #174 on: August 28, 2014, 11:12:31 PM »
@mscoffman and @Pirate88179

thank you for your GREAT insight and help.


I was wondering today, how much really believers are people in this (and other) forums about free energy? I have been asking for funds on my videos for years and ZERO (except one gentleman that gave me $5 bucks) funds given from anyone.


Now many wants this totally open source. Hmmmmmm.


I am kind of thinking that this is not fair really to me. Not even people willing to really test stuff and research with me seriously.


To those (specially you too Pirate88179 and mscoffman - because of your active participation with great insights) I will give you more than just 2 for the price you named. Some extras to your friends too.


I am planning in using all the income, for now, of the cells towards materials for this research. I got to an excellent place, but, there is much more to go.


Fausto.


 I can understand your position but patenting this would be kinda useless and very very costly. Just release the stuff and mnake sure it is the best product you can make. Then sell it like was suggested on ebay. Once the word gets out you'll be golden. If you keep it in the public domain it will be assured continued work since not one person could be targeted and taken out by any means. Yes in the patent searches there is a procedure to search the web for prior art. That includes patents and research on a generic search of the internet. Any mention of your process will invalidate any patent attempt including your own forum posts and videos that were released into the public domain by you. The sad fact is the cat is out of the bag. Too much work has been done already and anyone could change it by 20% and get an improvement patent after your patent anyways.
 Stay in the open source and release all information and just know it was you that improved on a process already done by others. The whole concept was born in the open source community and thats where it should stay.


 You have every right to charge for parts and labor and release products based on that for a moderate sum. Remember to not price yourself out of the business. You want to be competitive with existing products in the same category and not shut the door before you even get through the door. Bedini did that with his version of the battery in an led light setup. Make it too costly and no one will buy it. Good luck my friend...


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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #175 on: August 28, 2014, 11:21:47 PM »

 I can understand your position but patenting this would be kinda useless and very very costly. Just release the stuff and mnake sure it is the best product you can make. Then sell it like was suggested on ebay. Once the word gets out you'll be golden. If you keep it in the public domain it will be assured continued work since not one person could be targeted and taken out by any means. Yes in the patent searches there is a procedure to search the web for prior art. That includes patents and research on a generic search of the internet. Any mention of your process will invalidate any patent attempt including your own forum posts and videos that were released into the public domain by you. The sad fact is the cat is out of the bag. Too much work has been done already and anyone could change it by 20% and get an improvement patent after your patent anyways.
 Stay in the open source and release all information and just know it was you that improved on a process already done by others. The whole concept was born in the open source community and thats where it should stay.


 You have every right to charge for parts and labor and release products based on that for a moderate sum. Remember to not price yourself out of the business. You want to be competitive with existing products in the same category and not shut the door before you even get through the door. Bedini did that with his version of the battery in an led light setup. Make it too costly and no one will buy it. Good luck my friend...


 jbgines5


I agree by now with the patent usefulness or better uselessness.  I am working on the product as we speak. I really wished that the community would work more like a real community. No funds I was able to raise and I think it will never happen.




The cost of making the product is very high since I have to buy all the materials, build it myself and so on. 5 years research drained a lot of my savings already.


I am on my last breath with this tentative of selling this first product.


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« Reply #176 on: August 28, 2014, 11:34:28 PM »



 Hang in there Plengo. You have skills in video presentation and scientific study. Keep up the good work and like others who have said it before, you will make it slowly at first but then it will snowball out of control and you'll be rolling in the dough. I know how hard it is to get investment money but then the problems begin once you have to take an offer with questionable tradeoffs. Start slowly and make it right the first time. You have done the hard work and now it is time to get in there and build the first few and release this monster.
 I and others have been working on our own versions of the crystal cell and it is a step by step process in the beginning. Each successful cell built and sold will grow your pool of available cash on hand to procure and make more. All great businesses in these kind of fields started out of a garage and flowered into a full fledged BUSINESS. A bit of sacrifice in the beginning has always been the way these startups go. Once this is met the flow starts and never stops. Each success adds to your reputation and just from word of mouth you will get your fill. Don't advertise in the beginning. Just let it spread normally from the buyers and you will expand without getting too much bad attention.


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« Reply #177 on: August 29, 2014, 12:31:49 AM »


 Hang in there Plengo. You have skills in video presentation and scientific study. Keep up the good work and like others who have said it before, you will make it slowly at first but then it will snowball out of control and you'll be rolling in the dough. I know how hard it is to get investment money but then the problems begin once you have to take an offer with questionable tradeoffs. Start slowly and make it right the first time. You have done the hard work and now it is time to get in there and build the first few and release this monster.
 I and others have been working on our own versions of the crystal cell and it is a step by step process in the beginning. Each successful cell built and sold will grow your pool of available cash on hand to procure and make more. All great businesses in these kind of fields started out of a garage and flowered into a full fledged BUSINESS. A bit of sacrifice in the beginning has always been the way these startups go. Once this is met the flow starts and never stops. Each success adds to your reputation and just from word of mouth you will get your fill. Don't advertise in the beginning. Just let it spread normally from the buyers and you will expand without getting too much bad attention.


 jbignes5


I can't agree more with what jbignes5 said above.

Believe it or not Fausto, you can take some time off, in fact I'd encourage it, I'm sure your initial excitement will return. Anyone who says
this is not excruciating is not being reasonable, but in fact there are currently no drop-dead timeframes.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #178 on: August 29, 2014, 01:40:19 AM »
Thanks guys. I agree with all so far. It is though but hey, nothing easy lasts.


I am making my first ones to test a few more months and release it obviously to you guys first which I kind of trust more to see if it is indeed what I am claiming.


I am looking for certain items still but I will get there. The funny thing is that to make one is not the costly at all but building is a pain by hand. I can imagine this in large scale with machines making it.


If this takes off and I sell it big time I will be billionaire.  ;D


I am already creating videos in detail how to make, step by step, but first I need to sell some and see it for sure then all will be available to all (just like Lasersaber).


Fausto.

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« Reply #179 on: August 29, 2014, 05:46:02 AM »
Hi Fausto,

sounds like you have found something that can help bring change to those in need.

Wishing you success in sharing

Thanks

Luc

 

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