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Offline Allwest

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #75 on: March 08, 2014, 02:31:25 AM »


Charging the crystal cell with a candle
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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #76 on: March 26, 2014, 05:53:00 PM »
rechargeable magnesium battery cell
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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #77 on: April 10, 2014, 01:51:35 AM »
I have no idea at all what response this will get, but considering I'm new to posting among hard-working researchers doing things the right way, unlike myself, it probably won't be taken well. But it's gotta be said, because it's killing me not to have a clue about this. Fix me if I need it. I can take it.

Allwest, you are getting results I've never seen before, and I really want to try whatever it is you're doing, especially with this new breakthrough rechargeable cell. I've noticed you aren't releasing details about the materials used, or maybe I just haven't looked in the right place. If you aren't releasing details, I'm curious about why, if you don't mind me asking? I'll accept your answer whatever it is, I mean, what other choice do I have? It just seems like our entire species is at a crucial crossroads between consolidation of unofficial slavery over all or freedom for all, and I'd be slow to actually call someone selfish for holding back for recognition or profit, but it seems like those who oppose freedom take advantage of these tendencies in inventors to supress things. Inventors who make real breakthroughs often have "accidents" before they can release their stuff.

I've been making some of these crystal cells and had some success with them powering a nightlight, but lack money to really wade into the waters of research.  What you've done is about the greatest thing I've seen in battery research. I realize you're still testing it and trying variations, etc., but I'd really love to know the secret ingredient, or just the ingredients. Maybe it isn't secret and I just haven't looked where you posted it.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
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Offline mscoffman

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #78 on: April 10, 2014, 04:45:25 PM »
halfvucan;
In the interest of starting some communication on this topic I am putting my view of batteries on here.

I am interested in weak electrolyte batteries using their standing voltage and currents. An interesting design
uses the outside case of Acid/Lead Cells with the electrolytes dumped out, called dry acid/lead batteries
and replacement of the electrolyte with a weaker one. They can be charged to some extent and then
their standing voltage is higher for awhile. Because they are designed robustly to handle high currents
and wear of strong electrolytes they should give good lifetimes in this service.

You can google the names in here and generally you will find an interesting story behind each.

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I've noticed there seems to be some confusion on batteries based on the way they are named and used.

Strong Electrolyte - Storage Batteries.  These are big, bad and used for energy storage and playback.
they are highly ionic and can use very large charge/discharge currents. The venerable Acid/Lead Batteries
are in this group. They transfer metals between their electro-poles, therefore are prone to wear. Strong
Electrolyte batteries either need water added or catalytically recombine the H+O. This group includes
Alum Batteries which are weakly acidic. And Iron Edison Alkaline KOH Batteries. This group "boils" =>
electrolyze their electrolytic fluid during recharge so lost water needs replacement.

Weak Electrolyte Batteries - Energy Generators. These operate with chemistries similar to Strong Electrolyte Batteries
but have something called standing voltage and current - they won't discharge below their standing voltage.
A good example is the Karpen's Pile Batteries. In this the electrolyte is strong but can't dissolve the gold/platinum
electrodes. The weakest example is a water battery. There is generally no metal transfer or corrosion at the poles of
these batteries. But they can electrolyze water which will need to be re-added.
 
Semi-Crystal Cells These are known as hydrate crystal cells. Some water is either added or from humidity in
the air. Both hydrate and true crystal cells can often be made from the previous two by drying their
electrolytes out. They have an inherent standing voltage and current but one has to either add small
amounts water or have it be available in the air. I think they make some use of ionic transfer in their
limited aqueous environments. An interesting subgroup is David Bowling Sensor/Transducer Batteries
which makes use of sulfur crystals. These Semi-Crystal cells retain some water internally as hydrates. 
The Energenx permanent lamp uses this group, lasersabers cells and concrete batteries are interesting.

True-Crystal Cells Batteries They are non-galvanic and are usually sealed from the environment
to exclude water or galvanic activity including corrosion. I believe they are powered by intercepting
Petrolithic Energy. Their voltages never decrease with use. But due to their non-ionic/crystal makeup
have somewhat lower powers. This group includes Marcus Reid Cells available on ebay,
Zamboni High Voltage Piles, Ian Middleton's cells on overunity.com                                             


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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #79 on: April 10, 2014, 09:08:26 PM »
That is a nice neat categorization of the types of cells.  I have become pretty well acquainted with the differences between these things, but the mind finds it useful to have the extra order and differentiation. Somebody (I need to find out who) once referred to these crystal cells as less batteries than "electron pumps".  I think Ibpointless was the one who said they're more like self-charging capacitors than they are like batteries. I'm confused about the differences between batteries and capacitors to begin with. :P But I know I could find out again in less time than it took to type this nonsense.
« Last Edit: April 10, 2014, 11:59:49 PM by halfvulcan »

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Offline halfvulcan

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #80 on: April 10, 2014, 10:13:39 PM »
Ok, I'm just going to document my personal method. I'm using materials I have on-hand.  So my metals are copper and aluminum. I'm using a general recipe from one of IBPointless's videos about making low-current dry crystal cells, except obviously without the magnesium.
My materials are very thick uninsulated copper wire (not sure the guage) and aluminum foil, newspaper, water, epsom salt, and salt substitute.
1. I mix and stir well equal amounts of epsom and substitute into the water in a bowl
2. lay the newspaper strips in and let them soak for at least 5 minutes or so
3. wrap a thoroughly soaked strip around the straightened length of copper wire
4.  I roll that in my hands until it feels like its pressed in well around the wire, roughly round with no obvious protrusions, and feels well-bonded to the wire.
5. I leave it/them to dry and grow crystals for over 24 hours. Ibpointless recommends at least 48 hours for the much larger ones.
6. I feel them and usually they're completely stiff and seem dry, though on step 8 I've noticed some of them have water dripping out, so maybe I'm not allowing enough drying time.
7. I wrap around a piece of aluminum foil that'nearly completely covers the newspaper and wraps around twice.
8. I use a two-foot length of plastic-insulated wire  to tighten the foil down with pressure against the newspaper by tightly coiling it around the foil, then unwrap it. This creates a "ridged" look to the outside of the foil layer. This, imo, helps hold things together and keep it from loosening over time. My cells feel like solid objects as a result.
9. This is a new step I've started doing. I test each and if I don't see close to the .54 volts or better out of them, I heat them up in the toaster oven for a few minutes. That usually "wakes them up". Mind you, NOT the microwave. NEVER put metal in a microwave.

I've been creating these in about 8 inch lengths and they don't produce as much voltage as the magnesium-copper cells (less than half I believe), but this way I get to experiment without putting money out for materials. I recently made 24 of these. They each put out over half a volt and I forget how many milliamps, just 1 to a few I think. I wanted to keep them hooked up to prove to myself they can keep going and do something useful because I have many naysayers trying to discourage me in my life. So, I decided on a nightlight. I have a LED bicycle light kit that uses 3 volts that I'm not using on a bicycle any time soon. So, made three groups of 8 of these in series to increase volts and put those groups in parallel to increase amps. That's over 4 volts and I suppose maybe 6 milliamps , enough to light up the 2 leds in the bicycle kit. I've had it going for about 24 hours and expect it to be brightly lit for at least a week before I start possibly seeing it dim (due to moisture and corrosion usually). I've been away from these for a while, but if I remember right, I'm going about these wrong. If you're making them completely dry, you're supposed to let them thoroughly dry and grow the crystals out, then seal them before using them. SInce I didn't do that, mine are probably galvanic-crystal cells right now. Oops. Oh well, I need the fresh experience of this process since I've been away a year. I'll watch them and try to learn.
I'm considering buying some Borax and alum and add those to the mix too when I make more of these to see how that does. Maybe that mix will perform better or be better at keeping away corrosion, I don't know. Maybe even chili powder, since Allwest has had some "magical" results with that in the past.

Again, I wish I knew Allwest's recipe for his new rechargeable cells. I realize they are rechargeable batteries, not crystal cells, though they may in fact be acting as both, I don't know. I have a bedini imhotep charger I made and would love to get his latest experimental recipe. If he's keeping it quiet, I'd love to know why he's keeping it quiet, but maybe he's keeping it quiet why he's keeping it quiet, to avoid controversy or other complications, which I think I can understand. :P
« Last Edit: April 11, 2014, 12:26:15 AM by halfvulcan »

Offline mscoffman

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #81 on: April 11, 2014, 02:02:51 AM »

Yes I would be touchy about using magnesium metal because of it's tendency to catch fire and burn in air. A real battery might
expose it to those conditions.  But if you lookup the Electronegativity table on Wikipedia, You can see that Ti titanium is almost
as electronegative as magnesium. It has some resistivity but in real use in a battery it might hang on a copper core.
The other side of the table is W (wolfram) tungsten metal. Gold and platinum are best but unavailable. It's one way to get
your battery voltage up. I would be disinclined to add pure organics even though people have had some success using
vitamin C and aspirin and EDTA. I am concerned that using alcohols and bleach might create a situation where volatiles
simply evaporate away. User ibpointless2 did a lot of interesting stuff and he was receiving coodos from other people.
I would like to ask him some questions but he seems not been on here in a while. Yes, As you probably expect I believe
that there is a continuum amount strong electrolyte storage batteries with their charged and discharged state, weak electrolyte
cells with their standing voltage and crystal cells with their links to petrolithic energy. It may be best to combine a mix of all
three rather then have primary batteries that simply exhaust themselves to very near zero power.

 Well, keep up the good work. :)

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Offline halfvulcan

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #82 on: April 11, 2014, 02:38:24 AM »
Thanks Allwest for your work. I'm clinging to your Youtube channel and looking back here hoping you'll post something new.  Even if your rechargeable cell doesn't jump all the hurdles, I think it's really going in the right direction anyway. So, what's the recipe? Or maybe I'm being too presumptive. Maybe I should be asking what I saw someone else ask: will you ever be open-sourcing it?

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #83 on: April 11, 2014, 11:10:24 PM »
Should I make my own particular testing a seperate topic? Imo Allwest (and whatever other big names were to show up) should have the spotlight.
But, anyway, update on my "wire cells". The lights were dimming and I'm seeing holes being eaten in the aluminum. Based on past experience, this was somewhat expected. I should have let these sit for a while before using them. So that's what I'm going to do at this point. I'll let them do what they will while not using them to power anything. I'll let the crystals establish themselves naturally for a bout a week. Then at that point, I'll probably add another couple layers of aluminum foil to reinforce and fill in where holes were eaten by galvanic processes. I guess then I'll also seal them with layers of paint.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #84 on: April 12, 2014, 01:09:07 AM »
I read in a post that in early 1900s there was a company supplying batteries to telephone companies and the company had to close business as there were no repeat orders due to extremely long battery life. It didnt need recharging at all.

This is cystal cell thread but IMHO its relevant to mention it here.

Ultimately all crystal cells are galvanic in nature. They will never work in zero humidity.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #85 on: April 12, 2014, 09:08:16 AM »
Semiconductors semiconduct without moisture. Aren't "dry crystal cells"  crystal-based semiconductors that bring in the ambient? Taking advantage of crystal growth pressure is one way to make extra energy, but don't they still produce with no moisture? Ibpointless seems to think so and apparently also lasersaber, who looks like he's planning to seal his 100-year motor in a glass display.

Moisture is needed, I think, to grow the crystals that you want to be the heart of the cell, but after the cell is adequately populated with actual crystal, I would think the moisture is no longer needed if one were to make these right. Am I wrong or right?

My mistake has been impatience, I believe. I failed to wait for the moisture to dissipate and seal up the cell before testing the cell, so it eats away the metal. Produces more power this way, but in the long run, this destroys it.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #86 on: April 12, 2014, 09:34:31 AM »
Just had a sleepy thought I'll be pondering tomorrow after I've gotten some rest: computers use crystals for timing. They're not moist environments.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #87 on: April 12, 2014, 10:30:10 AM »
O yeah ! Even some old diodes act as crystal cells in light.  ;D ;D

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #88 on: April 13, 2014, 02:59:31 AM »
Semiconductors semiconduct without moisture. Aren't "dry crystal cells"  crystal-based semiconductors that bring in the ambient? Taking advantage of crystal growth pressure is one way to make extra energy, but don't they still produce with no moisture? Ibpointless seems to think so and apparently also lasersaber, who looks like he's planning to seal his 100-year motor in a glass display.

Moisture is needed, I think, to grow the crystals that you want to be the heart of the cell, but after the cell is adequately populated with actual crystal, I would think the moisture is no longer needed if one were to make these right. Am I wrong or right?

My mistake has been impatience, I believe. I failed to wait for the moisture to dissipate and seal up the cell before testing the cell, so it eats away the metal. Produces more power this way, but in the long run, this destroys it.


 You are totally right. The water is sealed into the crystal material. Especially epsom salts. Adding water only kills the process and encourages galvanic response. Once my aluminum has a coating of crystals it showed NO signs of galvanic response. The metal was shinny while looking through the crystals around the aluminum. Once the surfaces are coated with crystals you can start to build the crystal structure in between the electrodes. You want to stress the battery but not overstress it. It's like the muscle building method. This will build the crystals into a tighter more energetic transfer focus. I found that the cell once formed got stronger over time. But my cell was very wet and it was taking a month to even forge a connection between the aluminum and graphite electrodes. The mix i used was lacking and I really don't remember the mixture only that Borax, epsom salts and Mortons Salt substitute. What the mix ratio was I couldn't tell you now. But that combination seems to be the best from my experience when using aluminum and graphite.

 The jar I used for the cell was pretty big in the mouth. This made the outside electrode a good distance from the center graphite electrode. maybe 1 inch on all sides?

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« Reply #89 on: April 13, 2014, 04:30:39 AM »
Uncle JB, will the crystal cells work still, if you dehydrate the crystals 100 % ?

If your answer is yes, I bow down and accept you. If your answer is no, then you just have a galvanic cell, and wrongly calling it a crystal cell.  ;D

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