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Offline plengo

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Crystal Cell Research
« on: October 29, 2012, 11:08:15 PM »
During my research into Crystal Cell batteries I found some interesting effects. One being that a particular crystal cell seams to never end its available output power or energy.


It is not much power but it is there and therefore is worthy the study and hopefully its scaling to a larger size.


I will provide in this thread some experiments I have been doing and the data I have collected. It is a lot of data so I will have to simplify and reduce its size so that it will make sense to those who are interested in the pursue of this field.


There are two kinds of Crystal Cells I have been working. One is the Magnesium (Mg) cell and the other is the Lead (Pb) cell. Both are using common materials that one can find either at home or easily purchase at ebay or other vendors.


Most of the material is non toxic to manipulation although one should never put it in the eyes, open wounds or mouth , so caution is advised.


The Magnesium cells do have corrosion but it is reduced to the level that makes this kind of cell very usable (I have cells running over one year now) and if the power output comes down, you just add water (distilled is better) and the cell will improve its output power until next watering.


The Lead/Alum cell is different in the sense that it is very useful as a replacement for regular car batteries and high current load devices. This cell can be used by charging using conventional means (charges, solar charges and so on) but the effect I am finding out is when this cell is used without any input of power, in other words, use this cell after is has lost ALL ITS INPUT POWER and it will continue providing power indefinitely.


Although the power provided is small, if properly scaled (which I am still pursuing that process), one could extract very usable power to power small loads such as LEDs, small oscillator and lower power devices.


I will very soon be posting videos, charts, data and procedures.



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Crystal Cell Research
« on: October 29, 2012, 11:08:15 PM »

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2012, 07:20:14 PM »
if one follows the crystal cell research done by me, Bedini (at the Energetic Forum and his new forum), IBpointless2 and many others, one will start to see a pattern concerning those cells.


Cells can be big and small. The big ones (which I have been testing more than extensively) can store lots of joules per mass, while the small ones can not.


The big cells usually have water or liquids in its electrolyte while the small cells tend to be dry or electrostatic in nature (whatever electrostatic really is).


The big cells with liquids do present what I am finding out about their internal self-regenerating energy, which IBpointless2 has demonstrated many times. The criticism is that IBs  cells don't present current, which is true but to a certain degree.


The big cells can present current BUT you must put it there yourself so no gain by itself. The gain is becoming evident to many when using it and performing the load test - charge and discharge curves.  When doing that exercise one will notice that sometimes we have a gain in total amount of energy from the cell compared to the amount of energy input from us.


It is debatable for many but for me it is self-evident after testing hundreds of times and hundreds of hours continuously repeating the effect.


So, there are two effect at play here. One is the self-regenerating energy that any crystal cell has, small but it is there beyond a shadow of a doubt. The other is the storage efficiency of the big cells.


Now, what causes the cells at their intrinsic level to extract energy from the environment? very simple, they are antennas of sorts. The small cell cannot store much but can restore itself quickly, or better, quicker than the bigger mass cell. Why? because they are dry.


Water or liquids will prevent this static nature and convert it to another form of energy which in the big cells is a galvanic process or in other words, an exchange of "ions" through the medium and sometimes to the expense of the electrodes, but it does not have to be that way.


I do have cells that have been running for over an year providing good amount of light and power in a not related way to galvanic or destructive process. I say that because after doing hundreds of cells and tests, it becomes clear that one can control, to a certain extend, the rate of corrosion of the electrodes. It is very difficult to stop the process of corrosion with water present.


The smalls cells that are dry do not have the corrosion or galvanic process present because of the "transformation process" (liquid electrolyte) not being present.


The process now is to find a ration of small enough cell that can restore itself FASTER than the usual so that one can indeed have a constant output power. Peltier effects (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_effect) are just like that but more sensitive to temperature.

I have cells that present a small amount of power totally dry without corrosion, but very small power. One must build many in series and parallel to get anywhere besides the cells have a tendency to normalize their output power based on the presence of another neighbor cell which only increases the complexity of the problem.


The static nature of the small dry crystal cell can be scaled up. Area surface is the first level. Another would be electrodes with proper "insulation" or "covering the surface" with elements that are excellent insulators  of electric voltage "radiation". Tesla stressed that extensively in his high voltage coils when he talks about voltage break down of the insulators of the coils.


Small cells have the benefit that they are small so less material necessary.


Using the technique of "oxidized layers" on top of the electrodes do help with the cost of increase internal resistance and diminished flow of current BUT excellent recovery process of its internal energy stored which again is very small storage space so the small cell presents small amounts of power but one can scale to have it large enough to run small loads such as LEDs.


Now, one not so obvious relation that exists on the small dry cells is that they are EXTREMELY sensitive to the external load behavior. Which means that adding a kind of "Oscillator" or device that has variable internal resistance also can be in synchronicity with the internal resistance of the crystal cell and therefore have an exponential increase in energy output but simply having them, the cell and the load, talking the same "Language" or working in sync (resonance).


Peltier are doing just that, they are using the differential in temperature as its load. The external energy we extract is just free for the taking but what makes it happen is the temperature differential being the "load itself". So the Peltier cell can convert one form of energy into another without corroding.


My next experiment has been in finding that combination of insulation, resistance (or conductivity) and store power for the next generation of crystal cells.


If you are interested in running experiments and trying to scale this up, come and participate. This is an amazing complex field of research and very doable by "monkey scientists" such as me and many others.


Since I am the moderator, I will advice to focus on the subject because I will simply delete what is not relevant if that becomes necessary.


Again, very soon I will be posting more info and data and my findings.


Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2012, 02:29:38 AM »
Hi Plengo!


Great to see you still working on crystal cells!  :)


If you don't mind I might post some of my finding's here.


I think I've found a way to keep from adding water to alum cells but still allow them to have high amps.


So much testing, so little time.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2012, 05:56:52 AM »
Hey IB,


you are welcome. So let's thinker together.


Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2012, 04:12:31 AM »

In my pursue to protect the Magnesium electrode I thought the following, water seams to be essential for power to manifest, in excess diminishes the effect (current and voltage and low internal resistance), too little also diminishes the effect, in equilibrium, effect is permanent.


Although having the water and being able to control the output of power one looses the electrode by normally known as galvanic or chemical reaction or destructive reaction, all meaning that something is to be lost, in my case, Magnesium.  Other metals perform very little different with the exception of the rate of corrosion, i prefer call it, oxidation artifact.


Alum has presented the benefit of increase the power and not be in the way of electric flow of energy. It is also a crystal that grows strongly, unfortunately it will completely react or cause to react with the Magnesium, WHEN both are in a liquid contact.


First test was to crystallize a layer of Alum, Epson salts and MnO2. Alum will "eat" the Mg and at that same place MnO2 will react and absorb the leaving Hydrogen (I hope my chemistry is hearting you) while being much heavier in a liquid solution (MnO2+H) of the above components, it sediments on the new about to Oxidize "hole" caused by the reaction of Alum + Mg, and doing that it no longer allows Alum to react with that space again, BUT , MnO2 will not stop Alum of growing above it. This layer above Mg is conductive. I am also experimenting other formulas for that layer like for example, adding Iron Pyrite to it, decreasing then the "internal resistance" of the whole cell.


Epson salts at a longer term provides Water molecules to the starving crystal mix but in high bonds with solids therefore not visible to Mg.


The crystallization process worked very well. Mg became impermeable to water at that area but with a little problem, to form a good crystalline layer it would take me way too long, so I accelerated the test for preliminary results. It is impermeable to a very low density of water. Too much water would eventually destroy the layer and cause eventually the electrode to be corroded.


At very little water density at that area, electric conduction is very good, around 2 ma per 2 cm Square at a nominal voltage of 1 v.


The other electrodes (Copper, Nickel, Lead) seams to not present ANY corrosion or side effects, specially coins of 1 cent from 1979 or older. Copper seams to get darker but no sediments neither sulfates (blues and greens), just dirty and still very conductive. Lead no visible distinctions.


Results so far are encouraging. Crystallizing the surface of the Mg would be very interesting if achieved since it would create a conductive layer that retains water in "dry form" (Alum).


Fausto.
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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2012, 04:16:17 AM »
Today I had opportunity to see a pattern on my cells. Previously (In some of my videos #35 or so) I demonstrated the capability of the cell to have its own energy re-generated at any time at any rate, it is limited in that particular experiment but it is there and I can not kill it. Only by destruction of the whole physical cell.


They do present to have an ability to extract energy from some place and use that for their own benefit, crystal grow and in doing that they provide extra power for us to extract.


I was extracting very little for the, our desires, but nonetheless they do present free energy so to speak. IN  large scale I can easily see fruitful applications for it, but first we must learn and than learn in how to do it.


So little power that I almost desired a new direction or other more intense project but than I realized the same test under a totally different combination of metals. I was working with Lead/Alum before, now I decide to test against Alum/Magnesium, not in the sense of my carbon/sand/alum/Mg cells. They are working very well btw, I have many all over the house illuminating my favorite spots, all I do is remember them and give water, like plants.


Tell your wife, honey I have a plant too - it's a crystal cell in front of the pictures of the kids that every night I see and remember why I am working on this field AFTER my professional day pay with no pay for this extra work of mine.


With the Magnesium/Alum/MnO2/Epson Salts cell, under starving condition, meaning, little water, very little, they are ALSO presenting that same effect of the Lead/Alum never extinguishing  In the exact same manner, same response to switching from "UnderLoad to Resting", and repeat this to infinity.


They are presenting the same free energy effect, still in small scale, but much higher density, now in 8 ma at 0.05 v under short load (resistor less than 2 ohm - the wire).


Small quantity of water, means much less corrosion, whatever left that still corrodes. The cell returns a substantial usable amount of power to light LEDs now, not much, but much better than before and I say, much, much better.


If I apply this technique to my existing 8 months and 1+ year old cells, they will provide much more power.


The pattern is the same: Voltage goes UP as the cell rests, longer time doing that, higher voltage she reaches.  Many short "times" of rest, but more frequently ALSO work, and works with an accelerated effect. Current diminishes as voltage goes higher. Current diminishes in a much SLOWER rate than normally used without interruption, so much slower that I would say they are giving even more current over time that she could possibly give. Overall integration of power output IS big if given enough time and considering no input energy used.


With Magnesium cell and the same process, I am having a few orders of magnitude of improvement over my previous experiment. Off course Mg is much more sensitive to corrosion, but also improves the performance of the cell, controlling the water content of that precious surface is a must, a secret that I am uncovering in how to do it.


It is not about stopping 100% the contact with H20 and Mg, it is about extracting as much as possible of the "free energy" part that those cells give.


If I can find a combination of metals that would give me 12 volts difference when combined, what do you think I would do next? Now, imagine this cell under a controlled circuit that DOES give a very high input of voltage source to this cell, without allow any current to pass? The cell will give an enormous amount of current from non-where, since there is no current, no galvanic reaction of ANY kind (for a case where the whole electrolyte and metals used do not corrode each other without an agent - like Sulfuric acid and Lead for example), but now, I am passing over myself.


The cell is giving me 8 ma at .05v without loosing the amount of corrosion caused by one drop of water. The metal is very dry or very little humid, very little corrosion if any. And turning it on and off many times, the voltage of the cell INCREASES until current stops of existing which I could not find yet, that end.


Adding water AGAIN repeats the whole process again until 10 days have passed. One more drop of water and there she goes, another 10 days or more giving me that energy with the cost of 2 drops of water now. And so on.


Why the voltage increases like that? That is a strong electric field that must be moving something or causing something to move, I think, current would be one, and than, she stores that current somewhere, Where? in the crystals themselves. That's why they grow, energy storage, so silly me.


They are breathing capacitors and the longs muscles (Pulmonary) are the environment.


They don't like to be in series and neither in parallel BUT they perform very well when in parallel with parallel Loads. They do add voltage linearly but their internal resistance are limiting to the allowed current over all of the cells, which limits their series topology to high power usage and becomes very useful at small devices.


Distribution of moist over the protected surface of Mg will be very important in future improvements. Ah I almost forgot, Mg gives a good power ratio output, Lead does but if you put energy in first, which other metals will have a better output ratio of energy? If you know, let me know please.


Crystals grow over the surface of Mg seams to be key in this relation of voltage and stored energy. Crystals grow dry, but I think the water is inside them when they "dry" and become hard like a rock. Why water ionize things? Is not that the culture?


but I can measure current in a rock of iron pyrite. I think water helps but it is not the necessary ingredient of providing a mean of energy flow. Where is the energy is coming from when they are starved of energy?


I am starting to see the crystal cells like capacitors with little wheels inside them spinning and creating energy that is stored in the capacitor itself. They are very small capacitors. Different crystals, different densities and relationship, more in parallel, less in series and different combinations of those in layers.


They have a difference of potential provided by the two electrodes, in my case now - Mg and Copper/Nickel, and so energy is attracted to them and they store it. When we close the loop, we extract it from the cells, and the cycle repeats to as long as we have the metals, electrolytes and water.


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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2012, 03:01:29 AM »
Today I had excellent progress with the dry cells. Using a different formula and iron pyrite I could make a cell increase voltage and current given as she forms from the moment of conception (been created and put together) to until hours later under load via switching technique.


It is very clear in the graph below that the cell is decreasing her output power up to middle point of the graph where she than start to present the voltage increase I mention in my videos and written. Even as she dries 100% she is already presenting the phenomena.


Time will tell if this behavior continues. Now she is giving under 100 ohm load, .380v (380 milivolts) at 3.5miliAmps. When I let her rest during the switching, her voltage is increasing, clearly shown by the end of the graph.


I think that as the cell drys under load and under relaxation (time I let her rest without any load) the crystal structure formed inside between the two electrodes grows with a certain disposition for allowing flow of electricity energy and at the same time static alignment that creates voltage, therefore, causing a following current too.

This is becoming a little weird concept to explain but I will try.  I think as the cell absorbs he water and converts it into energy available for external use, a change happens in the molecular level. One is the corrosion that we all know, other is solidification of its physical structure, another is the flow of energy caused by corrosion to flow through that physical structure that is solidifying.


When solidifying that structure presents a perfect flow habitat for energy to flow, after all, it was formed when the crystals could move to anywhere while energy passes (imagine a very resistor burning as current passes), the same with the cell but very small level.


This structure presents a voltage charge now freezing in time, literally, dipoles being formed and locked while the cell dries under load.

Relaxation helps simply because the "pressure" of the current is stopped and so the structure has time to adjust a little bit while drying and becoming even more effective for energy flow because of the released stress therefore less loss of strength. It is a little bit difficult to believe what I am saying but this simple theory is providing success in my research.


This new formula also has a much higher level of absorption of water than other and at the same type not liquefying in any shape but the opposite, becoming even harder. Very interesting.


Iron pyrite is an attempt to reduce internal resistance, extra protection of the magnesium and piezo properties and God knows what-else it does but it does.





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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2012, 04:10:09 PM »
Very interesting, Plengo. And good research work.
This cell may eventually power the LS JR crossover circuit, I hope.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2012, 03:55:08 PM »
This cell is performing better and better every day. As I add a tiny little bit of water, it produces 50ma at .15v easily and stay there for hours.


It is a total winner. It is not 100% dry but it is so little water that I don't even think the water really gets to the Magnesium.


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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2012, 05:20:18 PM »
I think my work is finally paying off. In this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGatm42N6rA) I show the output power of this one cell.


You must let the cell be formed before start using it extensively. More you use it, more it gives to you back. The crystal growth is crucial and the protection of the Magnesium metal is essential.


This last formula is working better than the previous MnO2 although I still will use MnO2 in different ways. Water is the fuel, at least that is what I think.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2012, 06:12:55 AM »
Hi Plengo,

Nice thread


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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2012, 05:33:45 PM »
Last night i observed an interesting effect. I left my cell running under load for days now. Once disconnected from the load the voltage on the cell goes immediately to 1.40v and continues rising until a plato is reached and it levels down to 1.4v or 1.3v or so but stays there.


If put on load again for just a few seconds and turn of the load voltage rises to 1.67v and sometimes to even 1.8v! Again, it will reach a plato and rests at the usual 1.4/1.3v.


Another interesting effect is that when the cell is not in use or under load, all the energy that it generates is actually stored on the mix medium and it is available for use when load is attached. This gives a false impression that the cell is giving higher voltage and current while as you leave it under load it will stabilize at its "balanced state" and slowly goes down with time.


The effect of capacitance is very pronounced. I would speculate to the order of a few hundreds of thousands of micro-farads. May be a 100,000uF or even more.


Also when testing another cell that has been 100% dry and giving very little power out, when hoop up to a volt meter, it was giving not only direct current and voltage but also AC voltage, and I measure it in 2 different meters.


The substrate mix in between the plates is growing really fast and it is forcing the plates to distance apart. This is concerning since I don't want the cell to grow uncontrollably and break. I will have to come up with a formula that controls that.


Water absorption is excellent. The substrate sucks the water extremely fast and obviously helps the growth of the crystal structure. Some of the parts of the Magnesium is visible and no corrosion is visible.


I will open this cell very soon (destructive process) and see the level of corrosion if any. I am confident there will be none.


Iron pyrite cell with the same substrate mix did not perform much better, actually it increased the internal resistance, that was surprising.


I ordered Magnesium plates of 1mm and 0.9mm so that I can build a stack of those cells. The performance of this cell is phenomenal. Now it is giving .2v (point 2 volts or 200mv) and a constant 30/40 ma (mili-amps). As I add water periodically it improves more and more.


It is very obvious that water is the element that makes the crystal grow. That corroborates with my theory that the water IS the FUEL.


I will try some ideas concerning automatic controlled delivery of water to the cell so that I can lock this into a box and attach lights and possibly offer to individuals (for a small price) that are interested in pursuing this line of research.


Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2012, 11:45:41 PM »
Plengo,
Other interesting things noted on these cells

On the Allwest crystal cell, I can hold the copper in my hand, and it will stop the Ma from going down under a load

Try putting a load on your cell and meter the amps, put your hand on the copper and I bet it does the same thing, stops the amps from going down under load, and most of the time the amps go up

Best of luck

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« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2012, 12:08:51 AM »
I think this is important to note, because the bigger the load you put on these cells the hotter the cell gets and the more power it produces

Kind of a self generation of power that we can pull from 

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2012, 05:41:23 AM »
I ordered Magnesium plates of 1mm and 0.9mm so that I can build a stack of those cells. The performance of this cell is phenomenal. Now it is giving .2v (point 2 volts or 200mv) and a constant 30/40 ma (mili-amps). As I add water periodically it improves more and more.

I will try some ideas concerning automatic controlled delivery of water to the cell so that I can lock this into a box and attach lights and possibly offer to individuals (for a small price) that are interested in pursuing this line of research.


Fausto.
Hi Fausto/Plengo,
Your cell seem very interesting, I wonder if they can be paralleled to produce more currents. Then you can use a DC/DC Boost Converter to up the voltage from 0.2V to 1.3V DC, if there is enough current. I know that due to the high impedance of individual cell, they cannot be stacked in series.
If you make it into a light box, then I am interested in purchasing a unit for my hobby research.
I am already retired, but still want to get some fun with FE!
aaron5120

 

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