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Offline ibpointless2

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #90 on: April 13, 2014, 05:50:33 AM »
A update on the 5 foot tall Crystal Cell powering a LCD clock. http://youtu.be/tTVXtBxyZD8


Still working on the cells.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #91 on: April 13, 2014, 06:09:12 AM »
A update on the 5 foot tall Crystal Cell powering a LCD clock. http://youtu.be/tTVXtBxyZD8


Still working on the cells.

Is it a non galvanic cell in basic nature ? Thx for the video.  :)

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #92 on: April 13, 2014, 03:15:12 PM »
Is it a non galvanic cell in basic nature ? Thx for the video.  :)


I honestly don't know what it is. All signs point to galvanic but it also does things that a normal galvanic don't. The safe answer would be to call it a galvanic cell and then be done for the day but certain things about the cells I make make me question everything. This is science, not knowing and experimenting is key to new things in our world.




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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #92 on: April 13, 2014, 03:15:12 PM »
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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #93 on: April 13, 2014, 04:17:43 PM »

I honestly don't know what it is. All signs point to galvanic but it also does things that a normal galvanic don't. The safe answer would be to call it a galvanic cell and then be done for the day but certain things about the cells I make make me question everything. This is science, not knowing and experimenting is key to new things in our world.

Thanks for the reply. Its interesting.A bigger cathode and anode surface area should give higher current for the same volts. Just an opinion. Whats your experience.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #94 on: April 13, 2014, 06:49:54 PM »
A bigger cathode and anode surface area should give higher current for the same volts. Just an opinion. Whats your experience.
I have found that to be true. Also, when you increase the size of the cathode and anode, you typically increase the amount of crystal. Also, by galvanic, do we mean, primarily deriving its electrical output from the chemical reaction that eats up the cathode and/or anode?

my update: My little cells are on day 2 of just sitting not doing anything on a shelf while I'm hoping the crystals will form better and water will disipate from them. Once they seem ready, I'm thinking of sealing them in maybe a glass jar with a small hole drilled in the top with two wires to bring out the cell output and superglue to seal the remaining hole.

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« Reply #94 on: April 13, 2014, 06:49:54 PM »
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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #95 on: April 13, 2014, 07:22:55 PM »
I had another thought. And it hurt,  :P  but in a good way.
Okay, wrap your noodles around this one. These cells respond to vibrations, be it heat, pressure on the cell, etc.. What if the "bottleneck" factor in how much our cells are producing is less about the amount of metal or crystal, but more about the amount of energy the crystals are being allowed to take as input? What if we added a leverage factor to amplify it? Like an antenna coming from the cell? Like hold the cell by the outside and let the anode stick way up like an antenna? Maybe the crystal cell could then convert more energy into usable current? Physically, we can guess that grasping the extended anode and pressing on it should give us some feedback, so also would wind, but maybe other energy waves as well? And then perhaps, something "cheaper" could be used as an antenna. For instance, if this idea worked to increase the current input/output to the cell, you could try not having the extra core material sticking out, but instead, weld whatever cheap materials to see if they increase the current by the same amount. No idea if this idea has any merit.

I'm sure I can't be the first to think of this. The Trawöger Power Pyramid might be based on a similar idea if I understand it right.I don't know with any certainty that the power pyramid isn't a fraud. There are often, I find, things put out there to mislead people into wasting time and resources. The "Federal" "Reserve" and its owners surely aren't the originators of that concept.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #96 on: April 13, 2014, 10:49:17 PM »
Everybody is asking the wrong questions. You have 2 types of batteries - Battery_A is a normal battery that dies off - Battery_B is the opposite of Battery_A because it does not die. My goal for the crystal cells was to be Battery_B. I want a battery that did not die off and if it did it would recharge itself. So to make Battery_B you must ask what causes Battery_A to die?

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #97 on: April 14, 2014, 02:45:26 AM »
ibpointlees2;


On a slightly different subject,have you had any successes with using the Pb / PbO2 dry acid/lead battery
cores? I am trying to find the "secret" electrolyte that optimizes standing power. This is so I can compute
the ratio f(@electrolyte) = (standing power(@delta t) / avg. power discharge at C20 rate (@delta t). 
The two weak electrolyte batteries that I use for models are the Karpen's Pile and the Water Battery
that were discussed here on overunity.com. I suspect that strongly ionic solutions are required for
the storage battery function. These split the charge and discharge voltages apart and a responsible
for the determanistic storage function. By the way I consider that an Alum battery is a strong
electrolyte cell so the result may be weakly acidic but enough to preserve the storage function. I
liked your oil electrolyte but am trying to have one that I can rinse out and restore to sulphuric acid
or other electrolyte to restore cell function if I don't like the result.  I suspect that charge on the crystal
cell battery tend to travel on the surface of the crystal while the weak electrolyte battery will have current
scaling like that of acid/leads # plates and cell volume ect.  So I want to move up the Ah rate scale in different
size cores to see if this is so.  I doubt that the substitue electrolyte will produce cycle count and cycle depth
wear in the battery. If so then the weak electrolyte battery lifetime will equal shelf lifetime of the charged battery.
I was watching a video where Bedini charged this type of battery with his scalar charger when the whole Bedini
section was deleted from energeticforum.com. So I may be onto something. :-) Anyone else can chime in if
they know any secrets. Wanta see something really bizarre? type "dry charge batteries" into U.S. ebay.com
search function.


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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #98 on: April 14, 2014, 03:02:18 AM »
ibpointlees2;


On a slightly different subject,have you had any successes with using the Pb / PbO2 dry acid/lead battery
cores? I am trying to find the "secret" electrolyte that optimizes standing power. This is so I can compute
the ratio f(@electrolyte) = (standing power(@delta t) / avg. power discharge at C20 rate (@delta t). 
The two weak electrolyte batteries that I use for models are the Karpen's Pile and the Water Battery
that were discussed here on overunity.com. I suspect that strongly ionic solutions are required for
the storage battery function. These split the charge and discharge voltages apart and a responsible
for the determanistic storage function. By the way I consider that an Alum battery is a strong
electrolyte cell so the result may be weakly acidic but enough to preserve the storage function. I
liked your oil electrolyte but am trying to have one that I can rinse out and restore to sulphuric acid
or other electrolyte to restore cell function if I don't like the result.  I suspect that charge on the crystal
cell battery tend to travel on the surface of the crystal while the weak electrolyte battery will have current
scaling like that of acid/leads # plates and cell volume ect.  So I want to move up the Ah rate scale in different
size cores to see if this is so.  I doubt that the substitue electrolyte will produce cycle count and cycle depth
wear in the battery. If so then the weak electrolyte battery lifetime will equal shelf lifetime of the charged battery.
I was watching a video where Bedini charged this type of battery with his scalar charger when the whole Bedini
section was deleted from energeticforum.com. So I may be onto something. :-) Anyone else can chime in if
they know any secrets. Wanta see something really bizarre? type "dry charge batteries" into U.S. ebay.com
search function.


:S:MarkSCoffman


Its best to stick with acid in those lead acid batteries. Alum and water will work but the way those pre-manufactured batteries are setup and configure is with sulfuric acid. Be careful with battery acid.


I looked into the ebay thing you pointed out and didn't see anything odd.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #98 on: April 14, 2014, 03:02:18 AM »
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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #99 on: April 14, 2014, 03:19:16 AM »
I had a junk 12V 7 Ah 10 year old SLA. It had zero volts, never took any charge.

I washed it with baking soda and rinsed with distilled water. Then I added a very concentrated hot solution of 99.99 percent purified Alum and distilled water. Put it on charge overnight.

It not only got charged but regains its voltage after every use without charging. And I know what I am saying.

Its a strange behaviour. But the battery acts like a spring, it regains its voltage to 11.9 to 12.5 after every use in 4 to 5 hours. It was amusing but it happened.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #100 on: April 14, 2014, 05:19:53 AM »
Everybody is asking the wrong questions ..... So to make Battery_B you must ask what causes Battery_A to die?
First, IBPointless2, before I say anything, let me say, you'll never catch me ridiculing you.  I've watched all your videos. You've been more willing to talk at length honestly about these cells and your results than most of the people posting youtube vids. I can relate to your thinking. You've jump-started me really into these cells. Anyway, thanks for all you've done. I'm glad to see you haven't quit completely. I thought I'd seen the last of you on youtube there for a while. I actually need to watch your vids and others again because I think I'm forgetting a lot of what I should be keeping in mind about these things.

I got confused at first, when you say "die", you don't mean "drain" like a normal battery. I think you mean losing the "circuit pathway" within the battery. I'm just clarifying for those of us who think conventional battery when they hear the word "battery".

I think you've proven pretty well that what's causing the cells to die is, one of the things, is moisture, water, which causes the cell to feed from the metals, if I understand rightly. I wonder if you've seen some of Lasersaber's most recent videos about his 100-year setup (in name only). He doesn't seem concerned about either whether his cells will stop working after sealing them from outside moisture or whether moisture still in his cells (not necessarily detectable from the outside) will cause problems. Not to say I expect problems. I really don't know. He is using a different recipe than I've tried, but it seems to be working for him. My own results with sealing my cells up have been mostly bad, causing the cells to stop putting out anything at all after a while, but I probably let moisture play a part in those. Impatience.. In one of your videos you must have said over 20 times "just let them dry" :D  It still echos in my head sometimes.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #101 on: April 14, 2014, 07:46:27 AM »
Allwest posted another vid, Magnesium battery testing on different mix cell designs. Still neither tells what's in it nor whether he'll ever tell, nor why or anything about it.... Why....? Does anyone here know Allwest?  I just want some closure. Is he ever going to release his stuff? Closure could be in the form of "yes he plans to eventually" or "no, he doesn't and his reasons are personal". Why is he so tight-lipped about everything? Is he holding out for people to pay to know what his ingredients are? Nothing wrong with that IMO even if I wouldn't do the same.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #102 on: April 14, 2014, 09:03:30 PM »
Why don't we all have solar cells powering our homes right now? You should scrutinize your own personal answer to that question. Okay, then ask yourself why your neighbor doesn't. Why everyone else doesn't? Solar cells have gotten pretty cheap now. People's eyes are closed.
We shouldn't be hoarding knowledge when it's knowledge of things that can save all of us. We should be sharing it as loudly as possible. Get it out there. That way, when the internet is ceized and censored, liberty doesn't die, it's reborn, empowered by independence that free energy gives.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #103 on: April 16, 2014, 04:50:09 PM »
Dear Mr. Tesolian,

Thank you very much for revisting this with me here! This is where I will begin.
I enjoy the thought of testing something while being able to easily scale it up
into larger battery frames without having to manufacture anything. Interestingly all
batteries tend to priced like commodities due to their very large composition of lead metal.
This means generally the best ones with the highest sales volumes are also the lowest priced!
I now feel better about mentally grouping chemical alum with crystal cell batteries.

By the way, I have noticed your many youtube vidoes and have been impressed with them.

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I agree people should look to photocells. The problem is I live in an urban area. I would say
photovoltaics or windpower are not impossible here...one would simply have to pay additional
and ever increasing rent for using the space for photovoltaics.

By the way your "wire" crystal batteries are actual a good idea because they probably scale current in
milliamps foot or meter. Some of the challanges faced in manufaturing them would be similar to the
ones faced in manufacturing high temperature superconducting cable.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #104 on: April 17, 2014, 08:26:11 AM »
A update on the 5 foot tall Crystal Cell powering a LCD clock. http://youtu.be/tTVXtBxyZD8


Still working on the cells.
It is awesome to see that still going. So, any new developments in your research? I mean, are the last cell types you talked about in your youtube videos still what you're pursuing most in the crystal cells or trying other recipes? I need to look back again, but I think you said something similar to what I'm doing now with the thin paper layer rubbed in epsom and substitute was what you're pursuing, with very low amps. Makes sense to me. I think it's the nature of these dry crystal cells to have very low amps when they're just operating from the crystals and not from the galvanic metal-eating. And we don't want the chemical reaction of the metal being eaten away because that makes these finite, when we're looking for something closer to infinite.
I'll be trying some of the other recipes out there soon. I seem to remember you dropped one of those other ingredients, maybe it was alum or borax, from your cells for some reason, like you found out it wasn't necessarily helping. I really don't know why those are popular ingredients in these, but Lasersaber, another guy smarter than myself, uses them, so I gotta give it a try.

 

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