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Offline plengo

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #330 on: October 13, 2014, 07:16:11 PM »
  Plengo:  As you may know, I've worked on the aluminum/carbon cells for a while.   Some of my capacitor can cells are still working, even after a couple of years have past. Even my original cement cells. But, are they worth fooling with?  As only minimal current is obtained from them.   Again, please show what you have that is different from previously made cells, and tests. As all these cells are based on a galvanic reaction. There useful life is dependent on how quickly they breakdown. The more power they output, the faster they break down. OR NOT?   Remember why JB stopped working on Crystal Cells?  I'm not trying to be negative, but, how can we replicate something that is not shown working to light some bulbs, and also some background on how long they might last. Thin alulminum foil, and copper sheeting, using any electrolyte?  What is it that you are trying to show?  I don't understand...
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Well, usefulness is in the business market. I for one love the cells and my kids loves the light in the nights. My wife hates it  ;D  .I am planning to make a flash light which is very useful.


Before I show mine, people have to have a BASELINE. My spec are very simple, plates dimensions, structure and any choice of electrolyte. With that challenge we will be able to see with EMPIRICAL evidence what we would expect as corrosion and time rate to power (people take the challenge or shut up, very simple).


I am doing just like Bedini did with his SSG. It is a very simple device, easy to build, the specs were given and the test of charge/discharge was specified. Anyone can do it and see for themselves and also compare with a general bulk of empirical data. Very simple. Just like my challenge too.


Cement cells are HUGE and I have not seen anyone opening one and looking inside. I have done years of testing with thin plates in a variety of metals to see what is corrosion, the level and what I should expect.


I can guarantee you that with metals with 0.01 mm thick they will corrode in less than a week (based on the power output of my specs) and one can see it fast, without having to wait for months like I have been.


The first hard-drive invented was the size of a brick and today they are small and fast and powerful in use. Those cells with research can be too.


Having cells running for years (which I have many) does not mean much in empirical data wise.


Now, what WE NEED is remove the subjective statements like:
- they are just corrosion
- they are useless
- they are not powerful
- we have never seen one really
- no one has shown one (Marcus Reid has shown many, including Bedini has one)
- this is 100 years old technology (but no one does it today)
- and so on.


Those subjective statements are just "chair sitting skeptical" statements to discourage anyone in this line of research. I for one must SEE WITH DATA. And so should others.


Without my challenge being made and hopefully demonstrated no one will believe in those cells EVEN IF THEY ARE IN THE MARKET IN THE FORM OF A FLASH LIGHT. People will still say "oh they will die in 10 years for sure".


Once we have this base-line I am willing to show mine too.


Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #331 on: October 13, 2014, 07:27:58 PM »
I have one more interesting evidence. I have put 2 cells in the freezer until they freeze (off course) and they have a good output and the LED is lit.


One cell with an LED has an output voltage cross the LED of 2.54 volts but as soon is OUT OF THE FREEZER she goes DOWN in voltage!!!!?????!!!! No one has shown that today.


I will make a video showing that. If this is not a good evidence in the right direction, i don't know what it is.


Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #332 on: October 13, 2014, 09:01:06 PM »
Look guys the crystal cell is basically a survival tool. If it lasts for a few years that is great. There is no battery you can buy that will last a few years giving enough power to give light. These types of cells are a Prepper's must have. I have many different versions of these cells operating for close to a year now. Running off John Bedini's earthlight circuit. The whole premise of these cells was to give us light in a end of times scenario. Yes we have solar. But solar won't give you light when the volcanos start popping off. So even if they are galvanic I personally know that they will last for years giving constant power. As far as I see the only other power source that can do that is nuclear. Of course nuclear is much more powerful, but still the same type of situation. I think it is totally awesome that we can make electricity with four simple things, copper magnesium water and alum. How simple. So please people give up the galvanic crap. Nothing lasts forever. And no these cells will never power your TV. That is not what these we designed for. Although these don't give massive amounts of power I can still light up most of my home at night. And believe me when your eyes adjust these are plenty bright enough to whatever you need to at night.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #333 on: October 14, 2014, 06:02:45 AM »
I can still light up most of my home at night. And believe me when your eyes adjust these are plenty bright enough to whatever you need to at night.
;D   ;)

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #334 on: October 14, 2014, 12:52:19 PM »
A alkaline-zinc-carb is a slow corrosion device.a alkaline-zinc-carb is expensive.they add bismuth to the zinc to slow its corrosi down.they add mercury/cadmium to the zinc to  slow the corrosi down.slow corrosi has one problem,self-discharge,especially in hot climates,speeds it up.slow corrosi also has another problem,drop in voltage over time,drop in power over time.a high-power karpen spillover cell eliminates all of the above probs in one shot..if it can be made stinking cheap.. Wanna go into buisnes plengo? I want 20percent of each one sold.I think your a honorable guy.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #335 on: October 14, 2014, 10:25:37 PM »
When you freeze things they expand right. So that would increase the internal pressure. Hence your slight rise in voltage. My YouTube channel is under BackRoomLabs. I have replicated John Bedinis high pressure cell with a shop press and yes the more pressure the higher the voltage. I have no idea why but pressure seem to make a little higher voltage. How does the current differe from frozen to none frozen as I have never tried freezing my cells?

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #336 on: October 14, 2014, 11:19:26 PM »
Freezing lowers internal resistance loss.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #337 on: October 14, 2014, 11:26:48 PM »
Freezing also lowers self-discharge voltage loss

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #338 on: October 15, 2014, 12:00:14 AM »
Freezing condenses moisture from the air

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #339 on: October 15, 2014, 12:20:54 AM »
When you freeze things they expand right. So that would increase the internal pressure. Hence your slight rise in voltage. My YouTube channel is under BackRoomLabs. I have replicated John Bedinis high pressure cell with a shop press and yes the more pressure the higher the voltage. I have no idea why but pressure seem to make a little higher voltage. How does the current differe from frozen to none frozen as I have never tried freezing my cells?


May be it is pressure BUT i tested another 2 cells and they behave more like I expected, colder, less power output. Those 2 cells did not form the crystal well before I closed the cell.


So I have 2 exact same tests with total different results same formula different growth crystal levels.


I am puzzled myself.

Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #340 on: October 15, 2014, 12:56:28 AM »
It may depend on the mix. My straight alum cells give like 30 percent more current when they are around 100 degrees sitting in the sun. But the voltage stays the same. I'm going to freeze mine tonight and see what happens to the voltage.  My other cells are far less sensitive to heat. I would like to find a way to warm the copper and cool the magnesium at the same time and see what that does.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #341 on: October 15, 2014, 01:03:22 AM »
   Fausto:
  What voltage and current readings are your cells producing on their own?
You've giving us no information, other than the charts. And also, how long do these cells last, at that level?
  Voltage may not drop much with the passing of time, but less current output may be noticed from the cells after a while.
  In order to test their break down levels, it would take some time, as most cells will work fine at first, for a couple of months, or longer, as you know.

  Any salts in the electrolyte will absorb moisture, and continue to grow the crystals. Open cells will absorb water from the air, which may be the reason that yours are not going down. But, excess water can also ruin the cell, in time.

  I've seen most of your previous videos, and I'm not an armchair critic.
 I also worked on cells for a few years. Until Bedini bailed on us. I can't blame him though, as he could not make money from his cells, and that was his main interest.
 Not mine.

   One of my previously made videos (below), there several more to see if anyone is interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWjtrMKYmdo

  I think that most of us know what will happen in a short time to tin foil and copper sheeting.  Which is why I used activated carbon electrolyte, and carbon rods, which do not break down, they just contaminate. They can be reused after after a while by baking the carbon in the oven, and washing out, but they are still working three years later. Carbon is also a crystal, and an important one, at that.

  Waiting to see what you've got...
 
   

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« Reply #342 on: October 15, 2014, 02:05:01 AM »
If any of these crystal cells have a single advantage over a common zinc-alkaline then,and only then,is it worth marketing.if one wants to market.

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« Reply #343 on: October 15, 2014, 02:12:27 AM »
I can give you guys examples of slow corrosion cells of high power that will outlast any single crystal cell on the face of the earth but they are more expensive than zinc-carbons

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« Reply #344 on: October 15, 2014, 05:55:02 PM »
   Fausto:
  What voltage and current readings are your cells producing on their own?
You've giving us no information, other than the charts. And also, how long do these cells last, at that level?
  Voltage may not drop much with the passing of time, but less current output may be noticed from the cells after a while.
  In order to test their break down levels, it would take some time, as most cells will work fine at first, for a couple of months, or longer, as you know.

  Any salts in the electrolyte will absorb moisture, and continue to grow the crystals. Open cells will absorb water from the air, which may be the reason that yours are not going down. But, excess water can also ruin the cell, in time.

  I've seen most of your previous videos, and I'm not an armchair critic.
 I also worked on cells for a few years. Until Bedini bailed on us. I can't blame him though, as he could not make money from his cells, and that was his main interest.
 Not mine.

   One of my previously made videos (below), there several more to see if anyone is interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWjtrMKYmdo

  I think that most of us know what will happen in a short time to tin foil and copper sheeting.  Which is why I used activated carbon electrolyte, and carbon rods, which do not break down, they just contaminate. They can be reused after after a while by baking the carbon in the oven, and washing out, but they are still working three years later. Carbon is also a crystal, and an important one, at that.

  Waiting to see what you've got...
 
 


Thanks NickZ, I did not call YOU an arm chair skeptical. I am calling those that do say anything without experimentation.


Concerning the months of running time I have for that single purpose tested my cells with very thin foils so that they WILL corrode in a week or 2 MAX. So I can see and measure its output and decay.


ALL my graphs are the voltage across 100 ohm resistance connected to the + and - of the cell. One can calculate its voltage, current and therefore output power with just one graph (V = I x R). Please correct me if I am wrong.


My cells that are not tested this way are connected to an LED and no resistors since at that point I already passed the month graph test and it is worthy to move it to a practical level, which is, LIGHT. So I am giving the power output to all to see.


Months of corrosion on my graphs are not possible since for example that graph I previously gave is based on a very small cell of about 1 cm x 1 cm on thin foils (although a different metal). Impossible to stand even a week.


The power output MUST after its first growing level reach a plato and only decay after that with time. Never it will reach that same plato after that again. Temperature will change the fluctuations of the graph +/- some percentage. None of my cells in 6 years has demonstrate the opposite (except for example that graph I gave) [/size]so for me theory about that is non sense .


In my empirical data adding water only temporarily provides more power at the cost of faster corrosion, so, water absorption has only being detrimental at least in my years of experimentation. So again, theories that contradict that for me are non sense.


You see, I am not a theory guy until I SEE the data. I notice that many books are bias in their honesty concerning theories and others are bluntly wrong. There are lies everywhere including the theory of evolution (sorry to hurt many people's feelings).


I am not interested in showing my formulas or how I do it for others to just "see it". I am interested in people showing their DATA and we TOGETHER can work this and then, only then, we WILL BELIEVE it.


If show all in my videos it will never satisfy anyone for the exception of a "rude show". I am not looking for money from Youtube for my videos although they send me an enormous check of $50 every 3 years  :o


We need here is sharing DATA this way I can show my logic and methodology of experimentation and how my intuition has led me and possibly can lead others and SO others lead me.


Fausto.







 

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