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Offline drodenbe

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #255 on: September 28, 2014, 02:10:33 AM »
The start voltage would have been higher but I took it off the joule thief run and hooked up across 100 ohm load with out letting it settle out  for a while to reach its no load voltage.  Will do a better job.  Next time.  You know how newbies are!

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #255 on: September 28, 2014, 02:10:33 AM »

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #256 on: September 28, 2014, 02:13:22 AM »
Fausto: Here is the 17k run of cell across 100 ohm res.  The other cell just hit 1.206.  Will show new results tomorrow.


ahhh, beauty.


New load she immediately decayed to its new level. I notice the first decay not being exponential like an asymptotic curve. The spikes are extremely constant which is also great. That means she did not break down inside and formed irregular "reactions" to support new higher load. [/size]

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The linear up curve is a great sign of indeed extra power coming from somewhere, but a little bit too early to say that. I expect a "reverberation" of the "shock" like many waves and diminishing as it does with time, almost like a electronic pulse into a LR and slowly it decays as it oscillates.[/size]

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In this case the cell should respond with a much higher "inertia". She will most probably go up and then a long curve down (don't worry yet) and eventually settle at a lower vale of the maximum bump that you will get right at first.[/size]

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If she continues going up after that we need to pay attention to the next 3 days of "shock wave" progress. Sometimes it will break the cell apart and she will simply die really fast, faster than you would imagine and make you go scratching your head (she was going so well, umf, umf  :'( ).


If she passes those 3 days and again stabilize at a linear decay or even a flat line we are about to talk business here. If she starts growing faster even though linearly or even worse, exponentially higher we are in trouble, she is dying. I know, it does not make much sense but it is just like that.


Now, make sure ambient does not affect her too much, so do some bumps in the table with your fist and see if the graph changes abruptly or not at all. Abruptly means the crystal is also not formed yet to its mature age. If it causes a long little wave we are again in great shape (crystal is solidifying).


Some people may be wondering where I get all those "insights", well don't worry, they are only "monkey science".


For now this graph is showing the early signs of a great progress you already accomplish BUT you will need to leave her in this meter for a good MONTH.


Fausto.


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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #257 on: September 28, 2014, 02:14:56 AM »
The start voltage would have been higher but I took it off the joule thief run and hooked up across 100 ohm load with out letting it settle out  for a while to reach its no load voltage.  Will do a better job.  Next time.  You know how newbies are!

David


Don't use the thief on this cell on the graph, please, let it be with just the linear load. Pulsing will change everything to a totally new area of research. I did extensive research with pulsing and those cells simply love it.


But for now lets just learn from this simple linear load.


Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #257 on: September 28, 2014, 02:14:56 AM »
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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #258 on: September 28, 2014, 02:19:53 AM »
The start voltage would have been higher but I took it off the joule thief run and hooked up across 100 ohm load with out letting it settle out  for a while to reach its no load voltage.  Will do a better job.  Next time.  You know how newbies are!

David

I'm a newbie when it comes to chemistry.  :)

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #259 on: September 28, 2014, 02:26:35 AM »
I'm thinking I'm thinking..the thing is,we don't want a karpen effect we want continuous flow here

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« Reply #259 on: September 28, 2014, 02:26:35 AM »
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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #260 on: September 28, 2014, 03:21:46 AM »
here are the types of coils I am using for the joule thief circuit.  They are line input filter chokes.  I get them out of old tv sets and power supplies.

David

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #261 on: September 28, 2014, 03:43:37 AM »
I've done some research on TSP/90.  Red Devil's version isn't pure Sodium Metasilicate.  It is Sodium Metasilicate Pentahydrate.  This is known to prevent corrosion on metal.  8)

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #262 on: September 28, 2014, 03:58:12 AM »
I've done some research on TSP/90.  Red Devil's version isn't pure Sodium Metasilicate.  It is Sodium Metasilicate Pentahydrate.  This is known to prevent corrosion on metal.  8)


I was able to buy that PURE at ebay once.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #263 on: September 28, 2014, 04:45:07 AM »
I almost forgot to share undeniable evidence in favor of a non corrosive cell (at least that's how I see it, if someone knows more, PLEASE, bring arguments that will clarify my mistake).


I took one of my one-cell, casted, into the freezer and let it there for a few hours. Before that the voltage under 100 ohm load was around 7.6 mv or so.


After removing from the freezer I measure its temperature and it was below 10 Celsius degrees (-11 to be exact) and the running voltage across the 100 ohm resistor was .2 mv and slowly went to .5 mv (-10 Celcius) and to 1mv (-3 Celcius) and to 2 and to 3mv and still growing, last measure was 7.83 mv and growing.


Moral of the story: I believe that at below water freezing point there would be no corrosion possible since water would be , obviously, frozen prohibiting ion flow. No ion flow, no galvanic reaction or REDOX. It is possible to have corrosion (oxidation for example) but not having electrical current flow as a byproduct just like a regular battery would.


A capacitor I would think would be still discharging under this low temperature but it is a capacitor and not a chemical reaction of sorts.


Anyone to give some input?


Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #263 on: September 28, 2014, 04:45:07 AM »
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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #264 on: September 28, 2014, 09:50:21 AM »
your on the right track plengo but freezing is definitely not the way to eliminate possibility of corrosion.corrosion will happen even close to zero kelvin so long as air-moisture and o2 is available.one way to check for zero corrosion is to do the stepdown-spillover test that I did in karpen thread and it must be done rapidly.the other way is to get spontaneous REVERSE-POTENTIALS as I showed in other thread.you are absolute correct,we want the electrochemical voltage potential,not the corrosion.check out what happens in a photoelectrochemical system,you get eg, the iodine redox-system going like this at one electrode I2 + 2e- = 2 I- and reverse at other while light falls on one electrode.so the redox system is just acting like a see-through copper-sheet conductor.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #265 on: September 28, 2014, 01:42:40 PM »
Fausto:  Here are this mornings results.  The run on the joule thief and on the 100 ohm Load.

David

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #266 on: September 28, 2014, 04:47:55 PM »
I am posting this link again.  I didn't receive any comments about it.  This is where I got most of my ideas on this latest cell.  I think he has some important ideas!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7y8ek9aASQ

David

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #267 on: September 28, 2014, 05:55:07 PM »
 what is reids' electrodes made of

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #268 on: September 28, 2014, 07:52:58 PM »
Fausto:  Here are this mornings results.  The run on the joule thief and on the 100 ohm Load.

David


Excellent. IF the first one is the one with Joule Thief I can see in the end the consequences of it. See the spikes? they are becoming more erratic.


The second graph is awesome. She is running great. Let her run for a month, please and study the results.


Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #269 on: September 28, 2014, 09:02:10 PM »
Fausto:   Here is the latest.  I changed the line stile and shut off the pointing style to clear up the line to see what is going on.  Also hooked up my first cell before this one to a 100 ohm load and it is around .960 volts.  I will let this one run and see how it does.  I have the same mix in the cell but different style of plates.  Did you watch the video yet.  I would like to here your comments on what he is doing.  This is where I got my info on these new cells. 

David

 

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