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Offline Allwest

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #150 on: August 23, 2014, 06:12:31 PM »
Fausto, I have several patents pending on my Allwest Power cells

You can look here and go through the process
http://www.uspto.gov/inventors/patents.jsp

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #151 on: August 23, 2014, 06:22:50 PM »
I think this web document is an abstract of a patent.

Since this followed from a U.S. patent, which was issued in 1983, (31 years ago BTW) If he made that claim of perpetual motion/energy,
I highly doubt that he would have gotten the patent!

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You should first decide which country you want to get your patent in; Brazil, U.S., or International. It might be good to contact
a lawyer just to see what to do to protect you against the scenario you describe. I feel that if you try to protect rather then
sell your idea as a product you will get your wish and I and everyone else will never see it nor benefit from it. You should
trust that the majority of humans are going to be fair, they actually want to you to succeed because they want your product's
function and someone to take responsibility for its design! As they are going to want more of it in the future! Make sure there is a
balance between sales and protection. Plengo, be brave and give it shot. When you have something worth protecting take
out a "utility" patent. You have plenty of evidence here that you are responding to an perceived opportunity now and not
copying someone elses idea or product, and that you have developed this in your home laboratory and not skulldug it by
reverse engineering.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #152 on: August 25, 2014, 05:08:55 AM »
Fausto, I have several patents pending on my Allwest Power cells

You can look here and go through the process
http://www.uspto.gov/inventors/patents.jsp


Can we talk on the phone or skype? I would like to ask you questions about your patenting process.


Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #152 on: August 25, 2014, 05:08:55 AM »
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Offline plengo

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #153 on: August 25, 2014, 05:11:27 AM »
I think this web document is an abstract of a patent.

Since this followed from a U.S. patent, which was issued in 1983, (31 years ago BTW) If he made that claim of perpetual motion/energy,
I highly doubt that he would have gotten the patent!

---

You should first decide which country you want to get your patent in; Brazil, U.S., or International. It might be good to contact
a lawyer just to see what to do to protect you against the scenario you describe. I feel that if you try to protect rather then
sell your idea as a product you will get your wish and I and everyone else will never see it nor benefit from it. You should
trust that the majority of humans are going to be fair, they actually want to you to succeed because they want your product's
function and someone to take responsibility for its design! As they are going to want more of it in the future! Make sure there is a
balance between sales and protection. Plengo, be brave and give it shot. When you have something worth protecting take
out a "utility" patent. You have plenty of evidence here that you are responding to an perceived opportunity now and not
copying someone elses idea or product, and that you have developed this in your home laboratory and not skulldug it by
reverse engineering.

:S:MarkSCoffman


Thanks for the info. I am planning to protect the invention so that anyone can replicate at home but not really sell in large scale without paying royalties.


Once I have the protection that no one else would be able to patent it before me and force me (and us) to stop, I I can expose all in my videos in detail in how to make one yourself.


Fausto.

Offline Allwest

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #154 on: August 25, 2014, 05:23:44 AM »
Fausto,

You can PM me

The best cheapest way is to get yourself covered is submit a patent pending application, I think it is about a $100.00

They will help you at the help line, read up on other like patents so you can match similar language and format for your design

They will not accept pictures for explanations

This will cover you for a year and then you will need to apply for final patent and you will spend bigger $$$$

I hope that helps





 

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Offline mscoffman

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #155 on: August 25, 2014, 08:31:11 PM »
Yeah Fausto that patent pending sounds like the way to go. I think you should also think about the next generation device(s),
how to make them better, and how make them as part of a two step process. For example have an existing manufacturer or the Chinese
manufacturer do the "hard" part then have them sent to you for enablement. That way the light might not come on until later.  :)

But If you make e'm work, I'll surely be glad to buy e'm. 

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You also will need to do a patent search to find who has existing claims to your exact technology, poor claims since we haven't seen
them reduced to practice yet. A patent has a "claims" section. That is where you set a "vector" as to what you are attempting to do with
the patent. For example is the patent about batteries, is this about leds, is this about jewelry, etc. A "utility" patent does not have many
claims but prevents someone from copying your exact construction sequence. Sort of a mechanical copyright. It doesn't have to claim
to do any particular thing. The patent office can't help it if your idea of ideal boat anchor happens to looks like a Meg circuit for example.
The normal patent is trying to patent a modification of existing idea space, hence you will need to help the patent office out by showing
how you patent idea fits in with pre-existing patents since those are considered legally valid. Many companies will just wait out your
patent until it expires. But that way you can still get credit in the history books. Of course anyone can sue anyone at any time
for anything, to let a court judge the process thus far was fair.

My idea for a legitimate use of a patent is to have one giant company slow another giant company down
so that company B can't use company A planning and company A's implementation to usurp company A
place in the market place. It in effect forces company B to really complete with company A. It assumes both companies
have intelligence collection, access to funds, access to engineering thought process. A lot of the rest of the ways
patents are used are probably bogus.


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Offline jbignes5

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #156 on: August 25, 2014, 08:55:58 PM »
I don't believe you need to patent anything unless you want in on the cash generated. Once you release to the public domain it becomes your idea in the public domain. There are a few things you need to do first. Make all video's embedded with date and time and release it all to various public sites like youtube and others. Post it everywhere and anywhere. This will establish that it was released to the public by you and no one can make claims to it. Open source is just that. OPEN. Everyone can make something from it and in the beginning, if it works well, everyone should be able to generate some income from labor.


 Getting a patent can also get you put into the National Security list and then you can't do or say anything about it. It can also get tanked very easily when they see your plans.


 Like I said once public domain is stated and released no one has rights to it, period. Trying to get it patented will only get you trouble in my opinion and hey I've seen more than one technology go down the drain rather quickly from trying to get it patented. You have plenty of evidence that lead up to your discovery. All of that work was done in the public domain, try to keep it that way.

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Offline plengo

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #157 on: August 25, 2014, 11:59:45 PM »
I don't believe you need to patent anything unless you want in on the cash generated. Once you release to the public domain it becomes your idea in the public domain. There are a few things you need to do first. Make all video's embedded with date and time and release it all to various public sites like youtube and others. Post it everywhere and anywhere. This will establish that it was released to the public by you and no one can make claims to it. Open source is just that. OPEN. Everyone can make something from it and in the beginning, if it works well, everyone should be able to generate some income from labor.


 Getting a patent can also get you put into the National Security list and then you can't do or say anything about it. It can also get tanked very easily when they see your plans.


 Like I said once public domain is stated and released no one has rights to it, period. Trying to get it patented will only get you trouble in my opinion and hey I've seen more than one technology go down the drain rather quickly from trying to get it patented. You have plenty of evidence that lead up to your discovery. All of that work was done in the public domain, try to keep it that way.


I do want it on the open domain. My issue is that someone else would patent after reverse engineering and we all will not be able to use as a commercial means.


I do want to make income from it too, after all it is about 5 years research. My idea is making money on PRODUCTS based on the cell not on the cell itself.


National security will be nothing since this is too small and I don't have to state "free energy"' or perpetual motion or "eternal durability".


I am not convinced that making videos and publishing would be all that is necessary for it not be patented anymore. Anyone here for sure? Lawyers?




Offline Allwest

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #158 on: August 26, 2014, 12:40:12 AM »
I think that once you have a patent pending you can give permission for  people to try and make it for there personal use, that means that they can not make them for sale to someone else

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #158 on: August 26, 2014, 12:40:12 AM »
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Offline mscoffman

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #159 on: August 26, 2014, 12:51:34 AM »

That's why I think you need to treat it like a paper airplane, don't put too much money into
it but see if it can fly itself. The world is running out of water and inexpensive electricity
can not only solve this problem but will solve it. Let us practice implementing solutions for
this as individuals, if governments won't do it. The first uses for this technology will be for
increasing safety for everyone and the comfort for poor folks around the world, this is
2014 after all. Just like these QEG folks talk about, but with some knowlegable people
implementing. Let us nulify this latest great international investment opportunity.

Can a small canister full of rock crystals (guessing here) *possibly* fix the worlds problems
where 100's of weapon material reactors can't - is this the real world? We intelligent humans
just need to do right stuff.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #160 on: August 26, 2014, 12:52:19 AM »
Not to be a downer for you, but keep in mind that anybody can change the formula slightly and they can receive there own patent

So long story short, the little guy trying to make money on there invention is pretty much screwed

You could try and sell your idea to a big company that could flood the market quickly with the product so it would not make any sense for anyone else to try and compete 

If you had a couple million dollars laying around I would say you could do it yourself

Good luck with this 

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #161 on: August 26, 2014, 04:57:12 PM »
Thank you all for your precious input.


I do have in mind a little product that I can make myself to sell. I guess you guys would be my first customers. :)


What about I create a new thread where WE TOGETHER can from beginning to end create one that I have, but I want more like WE ALL really experiment step by step with the minimum necessary equipment (which is not much) and in scientific manner study the process and make greater progress?


My research has been from total failures to total successes. Each step for me was a very important learning experience where I could take what was good and understand the next important step.


What I would like is the ALL to learn from grass roots just like it happened to me but as a collective process we will create a much better cell since many minds on the experiments (which we also would improve) will understand and find many new findings.


What you guys think?  I will NOT give the final formula TODAY since this does not help at all since what will happen is only a bunch of people creating a bunch of cells but not be able to progress further.


I think this way we together can patent this too so that big corporations can not sell and THEY make the profit.


Fausto.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #162 on: August 27, 2014, 02:39:27 AM »
plengo,


There is co-citizen of Brazil that perhaps you should get in contact who was featured on peswiki.con
ie Stirling Allen's website. She is into inexpensive artistic lighting for cities. I've notice that some of the
pictures you have shown seem to have a high artistic component. For example the one with
piles of dark mineral cubes with small colored lights interspersed. She maybe would have contact
with people who would want to try artistic things. If the lighting is permanent then the technical component
seems would go away and lighting would become more existential. Sort of like an extended brush stroke.


Think of an artistic piece still shining 100's of years after it is created!


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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #163 on: August 27, 2014, 03:00:14 AM »
Hi Fausto.
I think patenting is useless..
Just build 10 or 20 pieces first, sell it on Ebay with a profit, so you
can next make a batch of 50 and then always dounble the numbers in each production batch
and so on...

Surely some people will reverse engineer it, but who cares...
The market is huge and you can still sell it, if you don´t make it too
expensive and you can advertise it still as the original manufacturer and
being the inventor and not the copy cat will make people rather buy from you,
if you are not too expensive...

I guess it only counts to be first on the market and hold the bigger market share..

Then who will stil care about stupid patents... if your product is better than that
of the competition the people will still buy from you...

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #164 on: August 27, 2014, 03:32:47 AM »
Hi Fausto.
I think patenting is useless..
Just build 10 or 20 pieces first, sell it on Ebay with a profit, so you
can next make a batch of 50 and then always dounble the numbers in each production batch
and so on...

Surely some people will reverse engineer it, but who cares...
The market is huge and you can still sell it, if you don´t make it too
expensive and you can advertise it still as the original manufacturer and
being the inventor and not the copy cat will make people rather buy from you,
if you are not too expensive...

I guess it only counts to be first on the market and hold the bigger market share..

Then who will stil care about stupid patents... if your product is better than that
of the competition the people will still buy from you...

Regards, Stefan.

Stefan:

I agree 100%!  Patent cost a lot of money to do correctly and....if 1 company jumps your patent, you have to defend it or surrender it.  If 5 companies jump your patent, you have to defend against all 5 or surrender your patent.  10 years ago, the average patent defense against one infringement cost over 1 million dollars.  So, 5 defenses, 5 million dollars.  Don't have that kind of money?  Then your patent is gone.

An attorney once told me to be the originator and get to market fast.  And, as you said, when others jump in (and they will) keep telling them you are the originator and also, make improvements as time goes on so they are always one step behind you.  If someone else get a patent for the product, they can not stop you from making it as you are the inventor.

Bill

 

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