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Offline halfvulcan

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #105 on: April 18, 2014, 12:17:27 AM »
Update on my own thing.
As mentioned, I didn't make these copper wire core cells correctly to begin with. I didn't give them enough time to dry before puttting the outer aluminum around them. But, I allowed more time to dry now, then dismantled the ones that seem dead or weak (lacking voltage or less than .1 milliamps). The ones that survived, 16 of them, are showing between .2 and .4 milliamps,  less milliamps than when they were new and metal-eating galvanic. After giving them plenty more time to dry and grow their crystals, I saw spots of dark crystal bubbles that forced themselves out through the aluminum foil. I put an additional foil layer around the existing foil of each cell . Then I put 3 series groups of 5 in parallel, and put those in a sealed glass jar powering my led bicycle lights. Not as much voltage or amps as last time with this setup. The lights are supposed to run on 3 volts, but my voltage from the cells is 2.88, which should be fine I think, but because of the lower amps than before, the lights are a bit dimmer. So, we'll see. I found a huge glass jar in the attic of my house that was perfect for this. I didn't trust the seal around the lid, so I melted some soft candle wax into it to make a good seal.
For more information about these kinds of cells, I'd say look up Ibpointless2's Youtube videos. He's documented some of his crystal cells so well that even a beginner can follow it.
My results are typically the outcome if you do things wrong. Crystal cells have proven to have potential for unending power. They're almost ready to deliver just that. The typical problem seen with them is keeping them from degrading due to chemical processes over time.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #105 on: April 18, 2014, 12:17:27 AM »

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #106 on: April 18, 2014, 03:29:58 AM »

Crystal cells have proven to have potential for unending power. They're almost ready to deliver just that. The typical problem seen with them is keeping them from degrading due to chemical processes over time.


halfvulcan,

You should keep going. Cable and wire making manufacturing has been going on for a long time.
So you could get lots of ideas, at least, in how to perform certain functions. All you need is a core material
formulation. It's especially true if you have the battery retain wire's flexibility. You could wind it on a coil form.
I would certainly buy some if it was available. All someone has to do is build some and everyone will want it.
I also think you should take my advice and try higher electronegativity metal foils to see if you can get the voltage
up.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #107 on: April 18, 2014, 03:48:39 PM »
Why don't we all have solar cells powering our homes right now? You should scrutinize your own personal answer to that question. Okay, then ask yourself why your neighbor doesn't. Why everyone else doesn't? Solar cells have gotten pretty cheap now. People's eyes are closed.
We shouldn't be hoarding knowledge when it's knowledge of things that can save all of us. We should be sharing it as loudly as possible. Get it out there. That way, when the internet is ceized and censored, liberty doesn't die, it's reborn, empowered by independence that free energy gives.


 Now they are bringing out new tariffs on solar setups. They want 5 bucks/month to pay to the power companies for maintenance and such. Even when you are selling the power back to them they are now putting charges on that. I mean now it is 5 a month how much will it be next year or the year after that? No matter what you do they have their hand out. I thought they charged the customer for line maintenance and not the supplier? Maybe it is both, Is this double dipping?

 As for IBpointless2 Well I trust him explicitly. Especially when it comes to real Crystal batteries.

 Allwest has a formula that he has chosen to keep a mystery. I think in one of his videos he tells why. He is applying for a patent I believe. Thats within his rights. Not everything is open sourced and if he is showing some great results like he is then I would start thinking the same way. I wish Allwest all the best and GREAT work my friend.

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Offline mscoffman

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #108 on: April 18, 2014, 04:46:17 PM »

Now they are bringing out new tariffs on solar setups. They want 5 bucks/month to pay to the power companies for maintenance and such. Even when you are selling the power back to them they are now putting charges on that. I mean now it is 5 a month how much will it be next year or the year after that? No matter what you do they have their hand out. I thought they charged the customer for line maintenance and not the supplier? Maybe it is both, Is this double dipping?


Once the electrical utility companies get the idea about what they are up against these payments for power sharing are
going to go the way of a July snowfall. I would encourage everyone who purchases a utility line interactive inverter front end
to make sure that their inverter can function in stand-alone as well as line-interactive mode as an option then to "make hay
while the sun shines".
 


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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #109 on: April 18, 2014, 04:51:56 PM »

 Now they are bringing out new tariffs on solar setups. They want 5 bucks/month to pay to the power companies for maintenance and such. Even when you are selling the power back to them they are now putting charges on that. I mean now it is 5 a month how much will it be next year or the year after that? No matter what you do they have their hand out. I thought they charged the customer for line maintenance and not the supplier? Maybe it is both, Is this double dipping?

 As for IBpointless2 Well I trust him explicitly. Especially when it comes to real Crystal batteries.

 Allwest has a formula that he has chosen to keep a mystery. I think in one of his videos he tells why. He is applying for a patent I believe. Thats within his rights. Not everything is open sourced and if he is showing some great results like he is then I would start thinking the same way. I wish Allwest all the best and GREAT work my friend.

Thanks

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #110 on: April 18, 2014, 05:49:17 PM »
Once the electrical utility companies get the idea about what they are up against these payments for power sharing are
going to go the way of a July snowfall. I would encourage everyone who purchases a utility line interactive inverter front end
to make sure that their inverter can function in stand-alone as well as line-interactive mode as an option then to "make hay
while the sun shines".


 I agree. In fact they are making that no one will want to sell it back. Why is that? They are not in the business of buying. They are mostly in the business of levying fees for delivery not paying for freely available energy.


 I hope you are right about the lifespan of these fees especially for the ones who are smart enough to generate for their own purposes and sell the excess back to help relive the burden associated with all the bad generating schemes out there. My guess is that they will only increase the fees especially when we want to share the relief these newer technologies bring to us in power availability and pollution or environmental issues associated with the generation of energy. I don't think they are interested in our well being. The only thing they want is to generate streams of income and the bottom line. The only way to get around this was being experimented on by Tesla, for which they took out very quickly once they knew it's purpose.


 It doesn't matter then really if we generate our own for our own use. If you want to share the excess there is no reason why you couldn't share with your neighbor is there? Create your own neighborhood or community system and bypass them completely. But you have to do this is a very different way. You can not use wires to do this because they have LAWS or Regulations prohibiting this. One way to negate that is not to use wires at all and that goes back to Tesla. But I digress.


 Keep up with this study guys! It is very very important to know where this power is coming from.


 Here is a good reference to start understanding the process: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zc0ICPoqlM


 Understand that matter is the key here. As we are seeing matter has a unique connection to all the energy of the Universe.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #111 on: April 18, 2014, 08:06:33 PM »
The same system that hands out patents is controlled by the people opposed to people having free power.  :/ And that's all I'll say about that.

The wire I'm using is pretty stiff. It's solid copper wire. I'm not sure the guage, but it's just a hair more in diameter when compared to the thickness of a quarter. Anyway, it's nothing special, just the form of copper I had on hand. I'm just a poor man. Really, a very poor man. I'm not a manufacturer.

As for "sharing the energy", look, when you're tied to the electric grid using power from a power plant, you're using power like mad. Meanwhile, all this energy passing by us from the sun is just passing by. It's wasted. If you choose to STOP using power from the grid and attempt to invest the time and effort to do this difficult thing, to get power from the sun, you're no longer using power from the grid. They now have a surplus because of you. And you're now independent. You've just "given back" some of that power you used to use to your fellow people. For people to now demand you share your power you've gone through such lengths to get is just stupid and socialistic, as if you have no rightful claim to that which you've rightfully acquired. As if someone claims to own you or your property. This is not freedom and I would say a life is not worth living without freedom.

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Offline jbignes5

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #112 on: April 18, 2014, 09:56:05 PM »
The same system that hands out patents is controlled by the people opposed to people having free power.  :/ And that's all I'll say about that.

The wire I'm using is pretty stiff. It's solid copper wire. I'm not sure the guage, but it's just a hair more in diameter when compared to the thickness of a quarter. Anyway, it's nothing special, just the form of copper I had on hand. I'm just a poor man. Really, a very poor man. I'm not a manufacturer.

As for "sharing the energy", look, when you're tied to the electric grid using power from a power plant, you're using power like mad. Meanwhile, all this energy passing by us from the sun is just passing by. It's wasted. If you choose to STOP using power from the grid and attempt to invest the time and effort to do this difficult thing, to get power from the sun, you're no longer using power from the grid. They now have a surplus because of you. And you're now independent. You've just "given back" some of that power you used to use to your fellow people. For people to now demand you share your power you've gone through such lengths to get is just stupid and socialistic, as if you have no rightful claim to that which you've rightfully acquired. As if someone claims to own you or your property. This is not freedom and I would say a life is not worth living without freedom.


 I agree also but we are free people so don't down on someone that wants to make sure that others don't abuse their ideas. There is a legitimate reason for patenting.


 As for the solar issue I have become aware of "Them" using code to shut down people who become totally off grid. The code department is being used to create problems for people who have become independent with no check or balance to make sure it can't be abused. So it isn't the system per say but the ones in power who abuse the system and our rights. I agree about the freedom aspect but you see what happens to freedom and rights when the ones in power abuse the system to make it impossible to live free. The case of the Nevada rancher is prime example of abuse of power in the USA. This is a much wider problem and happens all the time in our society. Until we stand up and refuse these encroachments on our freedoms then all this becomes just words.


 Now back to the discussion about crystal batteries. I too used wire for the external coil and a pretty decent gauge as well. It was artist aluminum wire. Pretty solid and pure aluminum with a center artist quality graphite rod. The rod was about 1/4 inch or near there. I only got a volt difference but it was a pretty good amount for the material I was using. It ran the diode I was using from a shakeup flashlight. I did not use the supercap that was included on the little circuit board but I could charge it from the crystal cell then power the light for a limited period from the supercap. again attached to this post here is the picture of the setup. The electrodes both aluminum and graphite was a bit too far away from each other I am guessing to maintain the potential for extended periods, like over a month.

 Now all that setup wasn't in the picture. I had 3 different types of crystal batteries and 1 experimental carbon aluminum battery. Of course the carbon aluminum battery ate itself apart but the crystal batteries basically would discharge to the point that they gave little voltage potential but if I let it rest for a few hours they would recharge themselves and continue to provide light for many many hours. I think the total voltage was around 3 volts from all they types of batteries I had. Well 2.7v or so...

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #113 on: April 18, 2014, 11:33:03 PM »
Hello.

I'm a little new to this.  I am very interested in the idea of crystal batteries. 
I am very impressed with the big ibp2 cell design.
I am also very interested in the concept of applying pressure to increase output.   
I have been trying to think of a way to create a cell that could resist a weight.   
I am concerned that the hollow copper tubing would flatten over time under a cinderblock.
Possible solutions:
Copper foil tape wrapped around a wooden or plastic dowel. Covered in the crystal paper. Then wrapped in magnesium ribbon. Cover in electrical tape and finish.
If the importance of the metal is the amount of surface area touching then copper foil may work great and be very cost effective. The wooden or plastic dowel would create a solid core in a very cost effective manner .

Another idea along the same lines is take a wooden dowel and a carpenter pencil.  Draw a tight coil spiraling up the dowel.  The. Proceed as above. 
This minimalist approach to graphite usage could be enhanced by the many loops in the coil.   A graphite lead could be attached by taping a small piece of carpenter graphite to the end of the coil.

Then the cells could be laid side by side in a box and connected.  (Correct me if I'm wrong: +to+, -to- and so on.)a plate could be added to distribute the weight and a block could be added to the top of th plate.  If designed correctly these boxes could be stacked together in layers and connected together and the weight could be added on top so that the use of weight could be minimized as well. 
I'm planning on trying this.  Any suggestions?

Thank you



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« Reply #114 on: April 19, 2014, 07:36:28 AM »
As for that side-topic, I recommend the writings of Lysander Spooner.
I need to figure out if people are coming to the same conclusions I've been coming to after much time researching these cells. Water in the cells causes the galvanic reaction which temporarily ups the amps a lot, but eats the metals away and kills the cells, but the "magic" of these cells isn't the galvanic power we get from them. It's that, if you make a cell that lasts long enough (doesnt eat itself), you see it producing power from the crystals for years. Ibpointless has talked pretty clearly about his research on this. The water is the bad thing for these cells longevity. To see the real crystal power, you have to get a cell to grow the crystals and then operate from those. A dry cell in other words. They'll produce less power per cell for sure without the additional galvanic action, but the crystal battery lasts longer and you're operating then purely based on the piezo crystal action. Anyone can make a galvanic battery, and yeah they make amps and volts, but when they run out of juice, that's it, unless you recharge them or replenish the fluids or something. Crystal cells are "forever" (as long as the cell is in good condition). Do my words make sense to anyone? i may even be using some terms wrong. When I say galvnic, I usually mean, "metal-eating".

Not to say we can't eventually solve the corrosion problem and use wet crystal cells. Some cells may have solved that to some degree, I don't know. I'm thinking of John Bedini's light that he sells. If I rmember right, you add some water and the light runs a good while. I don't know whether those suffer from the corrosion problem, but I imagine they do. But are those things actually working from the crystal action or galvanic or are they acting as a fuel cell that basically just uses water? I need to figure out eventually.

Anyway, my instincts have been guiding me toward the dry crystal cells as those are the ones that are most likely giving us that longer-lasting crystal power.

And day 2, crystal cells sealed in a jar with led lights. Still shining. It may be my imagination, but they seem maybe even brighter than yesterday.

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #115 on: April 19, 2014, 02:48:20 PM »
Dear friend ,
Galvonic is an effect of science. its caused by a electron difference in the atoms of the anode and cathode. Galconic corrosion will happen regardless if the Cell (tics)(for some reason I can't delet that) dry or wet the corrosion will take place. Its just a matter of time

As a cell's electrodes move up the galvonic scale in nobility they will corrode less and less and as a catch they have less power .

Its just a matter of money per cell and what combination will give you the best "bang for you buck "

All the best
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PS great work!!!!

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« Reply #116 on: April 19, 2014, 02:53:28 PM »
Pps both words are galvonic this site gets so many viewers my fisher price PC can't keep up lol

All the best
Jon

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Re: Crystal Cell Research
« Reply #117 on: April 19, 2014, 03:25:07 PM »



 That cell I show above and ZERO galvanic response even though it has a lot of liquid in it. This was because I treated the aluminum with a borax coating. The process was this. I heated the aluminum up to quite a hot level. Then I sprayed on a borax solution which once it hit the aluminum puffed up like foam. Once the whole thing was coated I placed the aluminum Wire coil in the oven and baked the coating on for 1/2 to 1 hour till it turned golden brown. I then let it cool for an hour and inserted it into the glass jar. I proceeded to add more borax epsom salts, alum, and mortons salt substitute (potassium). and boiled the whole jar in a pan. When this heated up the mixture it started to combine all the ingredients. Once the solution was clear I took it out of the water bath and placed it on a board that I use for chopping. After that I inserted the graphite lead into the center and used a clothespin to hold the center electrode in place. The measurement was done after it had cooled and was starting to crystallize I measured the voltage of the cell.


 There was zero Galvanic response in the cell. Both the Aluminum and graphite showed ZERO effects. The aluminum actually had crystals growing on them and it stayed shiny and pit free. After I had it running for 1 month or so. I decided to dissect the cell to have a closer inspection because the crystals grew to a point that they obscured everything inside of the jar. Everything looked as good as the day I put the cell together. So my take on this is that if you can find a way to protect the metal like I had found it means there will be little or no corrosion from galvanics.


 Now comes the point really. All objects have a standing potential. If you devise a way to connect the two different materials using a crystalline material with Ordered water included in the crystal matrix then it will transfer energy without galvanics. The crystal material is the connection and we all know crystals can conduct and oscillate as in radio engineering. I chose aluminum because when it oxidizes it protects itself with a crystal layer automatically. This crystal layer is an Oxide of aluminum and this oxide can be used as an conductive interface.

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« Reply #118 on: April 19, 2014, 03:43:20 PM »
fascinating stuff man
I know exactly what your talking about as far as crystal and radio wave interaction but there is a way to test for that and diclude the galvonic energy generation effect and what you could do is sheald the cell from emf radio and other wave leanghts to see if the current will change

And I love the boarax coating I'm going to try that if you don't mind

All the best

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« Reply #119 on: April 19, 2014, 04:04:16 PM »
PS
Or also if you want to build a new cell to test the radio wave effect you could try and use the same metals as the electrodes and negate the entire galvonic effect all together
(Just a thought )
Jon

 

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