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Author Topic: Magnets/Buoyancy  (Read 13593 times)

Offline KSW

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Magnets/Buoyancy
« on: April 13, 2005, 07:37:06 PM »
Hello
Just a quick question

i'll try and describe it as best i can.

Take a cylinder and piston. Connect the piston rod to a pivot.
If you placed this so the pivot was just above a bowl of water, the piston would lay horizontally on the surface.
Then if the cylinder was pushed closer to the pivot removing the air in the cylinder the cylinder would sink

Now then if you attach a magnet to the end of the cylinder and then place another one at the bottom of the bowl of water so they attract each other.
Would the attraction of the magnets be enough to pull enough air into the cylinder to make it buoyant again and thus break free from the pull of the magnet
and return to the surface?

im guessing not.

as then you may be able to have another magnet on the surface to do the pushing, and the cylce starts over.

hmmmmm



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Magnets/Buoyancy
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Offline Oxygon

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Re: Magnets/Buoyancy
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2005, 08:30:09 PM »
it took me a while to visualize your idea...

Its very interesting...

Although I do think it'd be caught in "equalibirium" between actions...

P.S. This sentence concerned me...

"Then if the cylinder was pushed closer to the pivot removing the air in the cylinder the cylinder would sink"

how does this occur... what pushes it closer??? where would this energy come from...?

I suppose you could use a magnet here aswell...

but then it would seem we would only be exchanging the utlization of one force for another in an attempt to alter an old idea in different manner of operation...

Perhaps we could adapt a SMOT assembly to this idea...???

But I still see it as similar to many older ideas...

try it...

Opinion is one thing, proof's in the pudding...

prove me wrong... seriously... There are alot of people that need to be proved wrong...

thats why were here...


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Re: Magnets/Buoyancy
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2005, 08:47:04 PM »
actually the more i think about it ... the less likely it seems to work  ;D

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Re: Magnets/Buoyancy
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2005, 09:53:53 PM »
   But need is the mother of invention. When there is a need, we try to find a way to
fill the need. The key here is your thinking and that is what leads to inventions. No
thought, stagnation. If you cant baffle them with bull, then astound them with a
neat new invention they cant live without. And yea, I know the quote is backwards
but thats how you sneak up on them too.

sugra

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Re: Magnets/Buoyancy
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2005, 02:13:47 AM »
Can?t you just draw up a JPEG or GIF pic  and attach it to your reply over here ?
Then it gets much more clear.
Under Options you can attach a file to your posts !

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Magnets/Buoyancy
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2006, 12:46:58 AM »
am so new to this that i am not sure how the site works or how to reply.  All day at work i had an idea floating in my mind and i get home and the first thing i see on the site here is another idea with an aspect that concerns the idea i had.  What if you took a radial engine block, lay it flat, replaced the pistons and cylinder heads with magnets, and utilized the coils and distributer and battery to "fire" the cylinders, in thier original order, but with the magnets?

Offline Omnibus

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Re: Magnets/Buoyancy
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2006, 01:25:53 AM »
This kills the idea:

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Now then if you attach a magnet to the end of the cylinder and then place another one at the bottom of the bowl of water so they attract each other.

If it is to be a self-sustaining device no external activity (e.g. bringing in or out magnets) should be part of its functioning.

There are, however, other interesting ideas with using conservative fields such as gravity and a hydrostatic force due to formation of voids in liquid.

One general remark ? if the idea with the magnet motors is viable then it can be applied to other conservative fields as well.

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Re: Magnets/Buoyancy
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2006, 01:28:36 AM »
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am so new to this that i am not sure how the site works or how to reply.  All day at work i had an idea floating in my mind and i get home and the first thing i see on the site here is another idea with an aspect that concerns the idea i had.  What if you took a radial engine block, lay it flat, replaced the pistons and cylinder heads with magnets, and utilized the coils and distributer and battery to "fire" the cylinders, in thier original order, but with the magnets?

I don?t see where the "overunity" concept in this is.

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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2006, 03:16:09 PM »
A Bulgarian fellow by the nickname of Darklight proposed the following motor based on the combined action of gravity and hydrostatic force (see attachment).

The apparatus is immersed in water. Heavy plates (in red) open up volumes when turning around a hinge under the action of gravity force G. This causes the appearance of Archimedian counter-force F. The resultant force moves the belt. All volumes are connected and the total volume of the system is constant ? when an element closes the gas (air) flows into an element that opens up.

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Re: Magnets/Buoyancy
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2006, 10:31:58 PM »
Look pretty promising ! I guess this could work.
How is the air transfered ? Only inside the device or from
above from the water surface somehow ?

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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2006, 10:48:24 PM »
That is no so important. May be it will be good to block the motor when we put it into the water.  In this position the elements are conected whit each other and with the air above the surface. When  all heavy plates reach their equilibrium position, we remove the conection with air above  (elements remain conected with each other) and unblock the motor.  To keep constant conection with the air above the surface is the best case, but there will be too much constructive dificulties I think.
This will work . The problem is that it will be too heavy with low power output. Because of it's weight and water friction it will turn very slowly. I don't think that is the future of free energy, but the principle is important  :)

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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2006, 01:18:28 AM »
Darklight, this is one of the most interesting ideas I?ve seen and I strongly encourage you to make a working model. Never mind the now seeming impracticality of the device. The importance of a working model goes well beyond its direct practical application. It will show that excess energy can be produced by a mechanical device in another conservative field but magnetic one. This will have far-reaching consequences.

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Re: Magnets/Buoyancy
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2006, 06:52:08 PM »
This concept is similar to an idea I had last year, ( See picture 1)
Finally I found out that the wheel can't work.

I'm afraid that your design has the same problems....
But when I interpret your picture well, it should look more like this ( picture 2 )
I have just drawn it, without thinking very much about it.

What do you think ?

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Re: Magnets/Buoyancy
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2006, 06:52:49 PM »
Picture 2

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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2006, 07:35:34 PM »
I just came upon this http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/themes/buoyant.htm. Obviously, these ideas have been around for some time. So far, the only viable ones for production of excess energy that have been demonstrated convincingly are the production of excess energy in an undivided electrolysis cell (continuous), the SMOT (periodic) and probably the Wesley Snyder motor (continuous). This doesn?t mean that other viable principles are impossible, including those based on buoyancy.

 

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